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Brail TV.
>> Hello. Peace be upon you, Bang Ihsanudin
.
>> And peace be upon you too.
>> How are you this morning, Bang Hanudin?
God willing, I am well.
>> God willing, I am well. Sorry, we had to
switch the schedule a bit.
We moved it to Monday to greet our
listeners wherever they are.
We want to highlight a few domestic
matters.
Of course, we will also highlight issues
abroad.
Domestically, Bang Hanudin, it seems
like things are on fire.
Not just the forests in Sumatra,
Kalimantan, and now increasingly
worrying, in Papua.
But the political fire in the palace is
also extraordinary.
Who exactly feels that this palace must
be in constant turmoil with all sorts of
cases?
Now power and authority are being used
for all kinds of means.
As former President SBY said, it seems
any means are now justified. Even though
many things that should be forbidden are
being done. Now it is justified just for
the power and interests of certain
groups.
How does Bang Insanuddin see the
continuously heating atmosphere of the
palace power, with its various elements
, political actors, and cases ranging
from wiretapping to other political
interests and spreading allegations?
How does Bang Ihsanudin really see the
tension between power and the trust that
is actually being displayed by officials
, where this trust is being misused?
So, that is from the domestic side, Bang
Ihsanuddin.
Regarding abroad, of course, we want to
know Bang Ihsanuddin's view after the
United States midterm elections a few
days ago, or maybe it's been almost a
week, which brought a political shift
that makes the world think, "Oh, this
change seems huge."
Especially with the increased
representation of Muslim politicians and
the strengthening of progressive voices
.
Is this really solely the impact of
Trump's authority and policies that were
beyond limits and sickening for the
American people, or are there other
indications?
We see here how American foreign policy
is actually being scrutinized by its
people and society.
Then, after this midterm election, how
will the Democrats and Republicans clash
regarding their policies in the Middle
East, their policies toward Muslim
countries, and also their economic,
social, and political stances?
How would Bang Insanudin like to start
our dialogue with those two issues, Bang
? Please.
>> In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious
, the Most Merciful.
All praise is due to Allah, glory be to
You, we have no knowledge except what
You have taught us, indeed You are the
All-Knowing, the Wise.
O Allah, send prayers upon our master
Muhammad, grant us knowledge and
sustenance, oh Truthful one.
I will start with America first because
I just wrote about the divided
government in America.
>> Yeah.
>> Because
The Senate and the House of
Representatives are controlled by the
Democrats.
>> and a number of governors also shifted
to the Democrats.
>> Hm.
In that article, I stated that like it
or not, Trump must face the US Senate
and the House of Representatives
regarding policies they disagree with. H
>> uh Hakeem Jeffries who will be
uh a leader in the Democratic Party
in the House.
he suggested that he would first focus
on stabilizing prices under the term
unaffordable American.
Hm.
>> So this is uh the first Black person in
American history to become the Speaker
of the House.
So if the Democrats in their history
could make a Black person president
>> president, yes.
>> This time the Democrats have again made
a Black American the Speaker of the
House.
>> Speaker of the House, yes.
Now, uh
unaffordable American actually concerns
the rise in prices
uh yes, concerns the issue of high fuel
prices,
>> h
>> uncontrolled prices, and homelessness,
you know.
for
the American people. And at the same
time, the fentanyl problem continues to
grow.
that is the basis for the Democrats to
prioritize economic issues.
>> Hm.
>> Now, within that, it inevitably has an
impact on the war.
If it impacts the war, like it or not,
the big issue becomes the aspect of
putting pressure on financing, managing
the funding.
it will be reduced.
>> Hm.
>> Now, there arose an idea from some
Democratic circles to impeach Pete
Hegseth, not to impeach Trump.
>> Hm.
>> So, impeaching the US Secretary of War
because it is considered that the source
of the war comes from Hegseth's ideas.
We, among the members, said Hakeem
Jeffries, the Democratic members, no one
is talking about impeaching Trump.
But there is indeed talk about how to
impeach Pete Hegseth.
Oh, the implications of this are
interesting.
In this construct, uh their big issue is
that they disagree with Hegseth's policy
that is uh so extreme regarding the war
.
But at the same time, there is a woman—
I forget her name, Nancy something—who
was dismissed, a high-ranking naval
officer, dismissed because it was
considered that the military is not
suitable for women.
>> H
>> and because of that, they do not agree
with the presence of LGBTQ in the
military.
That is Pete Hegseth's view. But at the
same time,
>> Hegseth's masculinity is aggressive, so
he uses the term "Islamist enemy."
>> Hm.
>> Although the reports mention that the
phrase "Islamist enemy" does not state
Islam as the enemy, but refers to Iran.
>> H
>> Islamist there as Iran. But, but the use
of the term "Islamist enemy," an enemy
that is Islamist.
An enemy that adheres to Islam, in this
case, Iran.
>> Yes, so it actually means if we use a
study
>> a communication study
>> then it means Pete Hegseth is indeed
hostile to Islam
>> right. Crusade
a crusade, yes.
>> he is also, yes.
>> Yes. Oh yes, yes.
>> Indeed.
Because he is also the one who wrote the
book "American Crusader."
>> Oh yes.
>> like that in the year 2000.
And on his hand is written the tattoo "
Infidel" and things like that.
>> H
>> from there it is seen that America is
more focused on internal affairs.
And the second interesting program is
that the Democrats will investigate the
companies funding the Republicans.
Interesting, right?
>> Wow, is this a form of resistance or
opposition?
>> Uh, as I see it, they are anticipating
2028.
>> Hm.
So it's not just about the midterm
elections last November 4th, but how
they anticipate companies that will
return to becoming, uh, corporate...
>> corporate dominance, right?
>> corporate influence, right, over the
government,
>> leading to state capture, where the
state can be controlled by corporations
. They do that by looking at this
funding.
>> It must have a connection to when they
pushed Congress
>> for a military budget of up to 350
billion US dollars; there’s definitely a
connection there.
>> Yes, meaning, uh, if you look at this,
right,
>> if you look at how the contracts—I
happen to get
news every hour, you know.
>> Yeah.
about the developments occurring in the
struggles within the elite circle.
Now, if we see it that way, what they
are actually questioning is why the
procurement of armaments for the war
department fell into Trump's circle.
>> Yes.
>> Fell into Trump's circle. That's why,
>> uh
>> the Democrats won yesterday talking
about three things.
They talked about
how, uh, chaos, how corruption...
interesting.
How did they talk about the Triple C?
They talked about chaos, they talked
about corruption,
>> Uh.
>> one more spoke about their wickedness.
The other C, I forgot. But those 3 Cs
triggered, triggered the American public
that corruption was indeed happening,
cronyism, crony...uh...corruption.
>> Uh.
>> It really triggered, really triggered
the American public that under Trump,
there was crony capitalism, chaos, and a
divided society.
constant riots, and widespread
corruption.
And that is what caused the anger,
ultimately, the Democrats won. That is
the same as the KKN story, the story of
97-98.
>> Uh.
>> They are seeing and experiencing that.
Again, they want to fix that.
Now, another note is the emergence of
Abdul Saad.
>> Yes.
>> As, as a senator, uh, Muslim. who is of
the Islamic faith that entered there.
Now, there,
the Republicans, well, they accuse the
Democrats of being
too left-leaning.
Especially since the fact is the
Democrats are supported by the
Democratic Socialists of America, DSA.
Uh, in simple language, if we analyze
the domestic situation like that, then
actually what exists is only a change in
pattern, a change in America's
geopolitical style abroad.
About America wanting to maintain its
hegemony, about America wanting to
maintain its dominance.
That is apparent from how the Democrats
themselves are worried about the fall of
the dollar.
>> Hm.
>> So, uh,
both Republicans and Democrats are fully
aware that the dollar is an effective
weapon.
Hm. An effective weapon that they use
against countries that try to oppose
their policies.
Hm.
>> Yes, because of that, uh, since 2015
until now, that’s 11 years, the
emergence of BRICS, avoiding the use of
the dollar, and avoiding oppressive
transaction models have already happened
.
Now, that is actually the trap that
Indonesia has fallen into.
>> Yes.
>> On one hand, there is a desire to play
with BRICS, but on the other, there is
no power to break free from the dollar.
Yes, we end up suffering as the rupiah
falls.
>> The stock index falls as well. That is
what I said yesterday on a private TV
station.
Playing with BRICS, playing with leaving
SWIFT while we are already deeply
entangled and trapped by dollar power in
Indonesia.
Yeah.
>> Although if we calculate the economic
influence from that power perspective,
America's investment power is only 18%,
while China's is 54%.
But that 18%, when taken into the
monetary sector and several strategic
real sectors like
technology and energy, leaves us
completely pressured.
The same applies when money flows in,
and monetary terms like interest rates,
inflation, government bonds, and central
bank securities come into play.
>> Now, if you look at it that way, the big
problem is that America will not change
its ideology.
The ideology of hegemony and dominance
will continue to be carried out.
Only the strategy and pattern will
change.
And that will be seen in ways such as
reducing the intensity of military war
and military contact, but still
continuing to pressure the Middle East.
>> Hm.
>> That will not change.
Now, this is also influenced by the role
of the neocons.
>> H
>> who are in Israel. Because Israel...
This isn't just about Netanyahu's
typical hardline stance.
>> Yes. Yes.
>> It's not just the same, but the patterns
have changed. So, this means changes in
Washington also lead to changes in Tel
Aviv.
>> Hm.
>> Their efforts to pressure the Middle
East and pressure Islam will continue,
the strategy just changes.
It's the same as when the term "war on
terror" was used; if you look for who is
meant by terrorists, it always ends up
being Islam.
>> Yes.
>> So, no Islamic country has the
self-confidence to rise and stand tall
with sovereignty in all its meanings.
Yeah.
>> That is what we see from the changes
occurring.
>> H
>> What is interesting is the discussion
from yesterday until today in Antalya.
Antalya is in Turkey.
>> Yes, in Turkey.
>> The COP meeting.
>> Hm.
>> Yes.
>> But before that, there were secret
meetings at an Israeli military base
before the election, right?
>> Oh yes. Yeah.
>> That, actually...
>> It's like this.
Yes, the PTB Hexet was from the meeting
. So they were actually already
anticipating it.
>> Yeah.
>> This ends up, as I said, in what I
simplify as the
financial-digital-military-industrial
complex.
>> Yes.
In the construction of the PB Hexet
meeting with certain groups in the IDF,
for example, or meetings in Washington,
the goal remains to maintain dominance
using the FDMIC approach.
They won't reduce that.
>> Yes,
>> they won't reduce it.
That's why when Jensen Huang was hit by
rumors that he was dating a Chinese
woman and suspected of being a...
>> spy, you know, as a foreign agent, you
see.
Oh, the content of that was incredible.
It spread to all the major mainstream
media from Financial Times to CBS...
>> Everything came out, including issues
not yet...
>> Yeah.
>> In...
the scene like this, what we actually
see is a flood of information about the
world's situation with high complexity,
known as VUCA.
>> Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
Volatile, uncertain, complex, and
ambiguous in terms of information; we
can still pin it down to...
the idea that America remains committed
to maintaining its hegemony and
dominance in various ways, including
through FDMIC, followed by the Digital
Industrial Complex.
Yeah.
>> So, FDMIC isn't enough.
Rasil listeners only hear this on Rasil
; you won't get it anywhere else.
No, because this is my study.
>> Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> Because this is my study, and it's not
just some random study.
>> It's a study that has taken years, you
know.
And just imagine when I can point out
that AI is wrong, that AI is trapped,
that AI is caught.
And then they admit it when I challenge
them with various data, "You are wrong.
" I said, "Here is the data." Finally,
they admitted, "You are right because
you are like that." That's what finally
came out.
>> That indeed, America is doing that.
>> Okay.
>> Now, the meeting in Antalya, Ankara, was
...what? Antalya, Turkey, was because
...
several countries see differences in
costs and differences in causes.
Are countries whose industries are not
yet advanced also a cause, for example,
heatwaves, the cause of the global
temperature rise?
There, they are trying to measure it.
That's why Australia suggested that COP
...
be more concrete in producing ways to
overcome greenhouse gases,
>> Huh.
>> How to curb the rate of global warming.
>> Hmm.
>> How, for example, the events in Europe
...
50,000 people died—this is interesting,
if we look at Gaza, there is death there
, right?
Uh-huh.
>> In Palestine, deaths reached tens of
thousands.
In their own countries, both in America
and Europe, the deaths are caused by...
>> heatwaves.
>> Whether it's because of hot waves,
heatwaves, or floods, you know.
>> Yeah.
>> Even fires, you know, happen. Well, it
was already mentioned earlier that fires
also occur. Indeed, fires don't only
happen in Indonesia.
>> Yeah.
>> But that is all because of the
incredible El Niño, they call it El Niño
. Hmm.
>> Meaning, in my view, nature is reacting
...
in quotation marks, nature is reacting;
nature, in quotation marks, is reacting
to human actions that have disturbed the
world's balance.
>> Hmm.
>> Ah, that is understood from Ar-Rahman.
Ar-Rahman verses 1 to 10 show that.
Then there is "mizan"(balance).
And that is where deaths, for example
50,000 people, occur because of
heatwaves.
Then there are deaths caused by
landslides, reaching thousands of people
.
Then there is death caused by flooding,
and the destruction of property.
Including infrastructure damaged by
those floods.
Now, that is, uh, if we talk about when
the world is full of injustice,
destroying balance, disrupting the sense
of justice, then nature, in quotes,
reacts.
>> Hm.
>> That's how Indonesia is.
Hm.
>> That's how Indonesia is. Why do I say
that about Indonesia?
We have socio-political disasters.
>> Social disasters.
>> Case by case, what is called, uh,
wiretapping is an extraordinary
political disaster.
>> Yeah.
>> If SBY talks about any means necessary,
SBY should ask himself.
What about the story of his amendments,
how he gave leeway to foreign parties
with his Law 25/07.
>> H
>> uh, how SBY birthed the
anti-discrimination law.
>> Hm.
>> How SBY birthed the approval of the AEC
, right? He shouldn't look at others
first. SBY, SBY should look at himself
first. Back then, what kind of policies
did he make, you know.
>> Angga quotes SBY. I'm just posing that
question. So that means
>> ah, when we are the same as Mahfud,
Mahfud MD.
>> Ah, yes.
>> He has been in power for so long. Don't
be critical only now.
>> When he was at the Constitutional Court
, what did he do?
>> When he was Coordinating Minister for
Political, Legal, and Security Affairs,
what did he do?
>> He made things heated too.
Yes, that's what, if, if, if Angga says
there is a social heatwave, there is a
political heatwave.
For me, it's not a heatwave, it's
already a disaster, a fire.
>> This is a disaster in my words, when I,
uh, back then, uh, online media didn't
exist, but there was mostly print media
.
I said this: the system being built
since reform is a system like a burning
fuse leading to an explosion.
The main problem, I said, is that before
reaching the trigger point, before the
time bomb, that burning fuse had already
created a noisy atmosphere.
The speed of this fuse burning depends
heavily on the quality of leadership in
managing the noise.
Because the root of the noise is not
being addressed, it will continue to
burn.
For example, for example, I'll just take
two examples.
MPR Decree with no number on August 10,
2022, uh, 02, not 202, let me repeat,
MPR Decree with no number August 10,
2022. In the introduction referring to
that Decree to reach the fourth
amendment of the 1945 Constitution, they
stated that the first, second, third,
and fourth amendments are, using the
word "are,"
"the same as the 1945 Constitution
established on August 18, 45, as
affirmed in the Presidential Decree of
July 5, 59, and confirmed by the DPR on
April 22,
is that right, April 59,
that word" are "is an identity crisis.
>> Hm.
>> Can you imagine the identity crisis? Let
me continue so it's clear, that's a
constitutional identity crisis.
So then, the Constitutional Review
Commission itself stated that the first
, second, third, and fourth amendments
were inconsistent in paradigm,
inconsistent in theory and practice.
>> Hm.
And that was confirmed by Jimli,
confirmed by all the circles supporting
it.
Can you imagine that?
>> That is a fundamental mistake.
>> I even went as far as saying," You can't
even have a thesis defense.
"No thesis defense. Angga submits his
thesis to his advisor.
The advisor reads it.
" Angga, your thesis is inconsistent. "
>> Hm.
>> It lacks coherence and correspondence.
Do you think Angga's thesis would be
accepted?
>> No way.
>> No. So you can't have a thesis defense,
right?
>> Revise it first.
>> It's rejected, after all.
>> Revise it first.
The reality is that Indonesians, those
intelligent intellectual figures, accept
>> h
>> a constitutional quality that is
inconsistent.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> A constitutional quality that, to put it
mildly, abandons Pancasila.
>> Hmm.
>> So what do you say?
>> Yes, yes, yes.
>> Come on, what do you say if it's like
this?
That is one of the findings that has
spread far and wide.
And I then tried to dig deeper into that
perspective; I said, it’s crazy, you
can't even have a defense for an
undergraduate thesis, let alone pass it
.
Secondly, oh, the identities are being
equated, which means you're afraid.
>> Hm.
So
>> third, there is an interesting finding.
>> Clashes.
>> Clashes of meaning within the preamble.
Wait, why are you all refusing to fix it
?
In other words, social and political
life, social and political disasters are
caused by our constitution,
>> which I call a messy constitution—what
Nursi called in 2004 a constitutional
crisis, reform leading to a media
constitutional crisis in Indonesia.
So, this constitutional quality
influences the stability of a state or
government.
>> Of course, because the foundation isn't
right.
>> Yeah.
>> Now I ask Angga.
Angga, can you stand properly if the
soles of your feet aren't strong, if
your legs aren't sturdy?
>> No.
>> It's impossible.
>> Yeah.
And then, the key is the sturdy nervous
system from the tips of the toes to the
eyes to create balance.
Is that even possible? It's impossible.
Yeah.
>> Now, in our constitution, if we go back
to, for example, how Trump was like that
, and then we shift to Indonesia, it's
because—underline this—because in this
system, the presidential system, when
parliament is controlled by the same
force as the executive, it makes the
president say," I am the law. "
>> I am the king.
So it's like a monarchy, then?
>> That's what happened with Trump recently
because the Senate and the House were
controlled by Republicans.
>> Done. The same goes for Indonesia.
>> The same goes for Indonesia. When the
executive manages to co-opt the
legislature, then Article 6A paragraph 2
applies,
>> indicating that the President is the law
," I am the king.
"The impact of" I am the law, I am the
king "is, well, the President can carry
out what I call commercialization.
>> So the checks and balances
>> don't work. Checks and balances.
>> Then followed by criminalization, and
there is no such thing as checks and
balances. No more. I
>> That balance shouldn't be there, not in
that kind of framework.
If using the original 1945 Constitution
, checks and balances were in the work
system, the working mechanism, the MPR's
working pattern as the highest
institution.
>> Hmm.
>> Which corrects and checks the balance of
power among the high institutions.
Meaning there was an institution that
performed checks and balances. What does
checks and balances actually mean? Yeah
.
>> Examination and balance of power, right
?
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Who can do that if there is no such
institution? It can't be done.
>> Yeah, earlier.
>> Because the constitution gives too much
power to one side.
If people finally take the example, why
can small Iran defeat the big ones?
It's because, as I say in my lectures
everywhere...
...
>> it is almost exactly like the original
1945 Constitution in placing its system
, almost......
>> the assembly. Yeah.
>> Same.
Even though the Iranian model only
consists of clerics.
>> Yes.
But if Indonesia, it's not just clerics
.
>> Everything is there.
>> Everything is there.
Provided they are people of prime
quality: prime knowledge, prime faith,
prime skills, prime virtues, so that
policies full of wisdom emerge.
>> That's the thinking.
>> It should be. It should be. Yeah.
>> Are those three things enjoyed by those
who feel reform has given birth to?
Liberal democracy, and it's a source of
pride. Is that considered smart or
stupid?
>> Not smart.
>> The basic question is.
The basic question is like this. The
basic question is like this. H.
>> When we witness wiretapping like that,
it's because the constitution allows
liberal political capital to clash with
one another.
Liberal.
Liberal means stabbing each other.
Liberal means tripping and elbowing each
other.
Using Ihsanuddin Mursi's cool language.
>> Yeah.
>> Negating each other.
>> Yeah.
>> That's liberal.
That term" competition "is not just
rivalry.
>> It's war.
>> So, if there's a term" let the market
compete as it is "to achieve its own
balance.
Where is that?
>> A dream that the market can be told to
compete in a model to reach equilibrium
.
Same as the Rupiah. Let the Rupiah reach
its own balance based on market forces.
Oh, come on, where does that exist?
>> In nearly 62 years of history, the
Rupiah has continuously weakened. That
is where the weakening of sovereignty
occurs, and it weakens even more when
the constitution is like that.
Now, it weakens its control even more
when we don't want to...
...justify the existence of genocide.
We don't want to justify the killing of
children.
>> Yeah.
>> But we acknowledge that state solution.
>> Like that. We acknowledge the existence
of Bop.
>> Now.
>> Whereas the first paragraph clearly
states that independence is the right of
all nations.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Therefore, colonialism must be abolished
from the face of the earth.
>> Hmm.
>> There shouldn't be any colonialism.
There shouldn't be any oppression.
That is the mandate's order. The mandate
of the preamble is very clear. H.
>> That in the position of ease, we also
declare as the foreign policy that...
free and active, right.
>> Yeah.
>> So our support for seeking peace based
on strength is not impossible.
Let's repeat: seeking peace, upholding
peace based on a free and active foreign
policy
>> and then being based on, you know, peace
through strength, can that really happen
?
Because the weak will feel they are not
being treated fairly.
>> Well, our foreign policy concept, our
constitutional concept, can never
justify justice enforced by violence,
>> does not justify peace enforced by
violence.
>> No.
Because we, because we, in our language
, oh my goodness, these elites
>> the elites
>> should try to learn well. My goodness, I
have mentioned many times
>> the constitutional gap, you know. Try to
learn the history of this nation well.
>> Why is this nation like this? Because by
learning history well, we will be able
to reconstruct and reconstruct the
nation.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Brother S. But
>> not just merely
>> Brother, but there are also those who
say
>> even a very well-written constitution
does not guarantee a country is free
from chaos.
Because recent history, recent history
also shows laws were formed yet chaos
was plenty.
>> Okay.
>> Okay. I'll ask you back. I'll ask you
back.
>> You hold the Quran, does that guarantee
you'll enter heaven?
>> Hm.
>> Hm.
It's the same thing, that's the
spiritual side. Okay, I'll ask you back
>> you know.
You already have a good system, but are
you guaranteed a good life?
>> No.
>> Not necessarily.
>> The formula, the formula, the formula is
the" samna wa "formula.
>> Yeah.
>> The formula is" uhkimat wa fusilat. "
The quadrant is you must listen well.
Listening means the system is upright,
you know.
>> Yeah.
>> And" atokna, "the actors execute, so it
becomes a good and correct system run by
good and correct actors.
>> Yeah.
>> Ah, that is why when we, well, if the
system itself is a mess, the people are
a mess
>> plus
>> well, it's double the mess.
>> It's double the mess.
>> Yes
>> right. Yes.
Now, then I was challenged by a number
of friends. I remember clearly
>> a minister challenged me," Which one do
you choose?
Fixing the system or fixing the actors?
"
>> Hm.
>> I said this,
" In my study of how the Quran was
received by Muhammad, the Messenger of
Allah, peace be upon him,
>> H
>> the first thing approached was the
system.
That is why the sentence is 'bismi
rabbik.' That is a system improvement. "
>> Hm.
The words 'bismik' mean system
improvement, immediately followed by the
actor. So find the actor. Well, the
requirement to enter there is the actor
must be sound. The actor happened to be
Muhammad. Oh, that's just the Prophet as
an example, they say. That's just the
Messenger as an example. Let's be real,
the Messenger is no longer here. Well,
because of that, I said fix the system
first.
The system creates requirements, creates
requirements and mechanisms
>> he
>> that must produce leaders who meet the
qualifications according to the system.
>> Not leaders, not leaders whose diplomas
are unclear,
>> not a leader who has arrogance with lies
,
>> not a leader who has deception with
various things. That can't be. That is
called a system error. Hm.
>> Now, the lesson from yesterday at the
East Jakarta Court, the lesson about how
the Constitutional Court and Supreme
Court decisions,
>> the lesson about how everyone is taking
down photos of Gibran Rakabuming, that's
not just random, you know.
It means that it is a system error.
Now, that's why I asked earlier, do you
realize that the system error was made
because of reform? Because it's a
product of reform. Why was it made as a
product of reform? Because at that time
, Indonesia was an Islamic nation that
had to be symbolically subdued. Repeat.
>> Underline it, Angga. Underline it.
>> Because at that time, Islam was,
Indonesia was a Muslim-majority nation
that had to be symbolically subdued, and
therefore it had to be regulated through
the constitution and regulations.
That's what I mean by studying history.
>> Yes. Yes. Yes.
>> The kingdoms of the archipelago were
subdued by what is called 3G, by
European powers which later, explicitly
by the Dutch,
>> the approach was relatively the same.
>> He.
>> Bribery, right?
Bribery.
Luring them to join their ranks so their
social status would rise.
Repeat, repeat. Yeah. Yeah.
>> I am studying history here, Angga.
>> He.
>> I study legal history, I study political
history. I then speak about its
political psychology and economic
impacts.
>> If I study history, there is nothing
really new here.
The way they perform deception
>> uh, the pattern is the same. Only the
technology is new, the thinking is new.
>> But the basic framework, the substance
is no different. It's just the same.
Now, Raffles 'writings about how the
Dutch could so easily bring down the
kingdoms of the archipelago.
Raffles' conclusion.
Because the archipelago's kingdom
officials and elites were too easily
bribed.
>> H
>> oh, that's the History of Java decision
. The History of Java, Raffles 'writing
, the facts are many.
>> Correct. What does it mean?
>> What does it mean? It's so easy to
recruit those people to become traitors
.
>> Like that.
>> Alright, Bang.
>> Like that.
>> Our time is up, apparently. But, but as
a closing, as a closing Bang Isanudin, I
want you as an expert to summarize, the
quality of the constitution was earlier
called an important foundation.
So what if, now with this condition,
what is the institutional support like?
What is the law-abiding culture in
Indonesia like, and also the
socio-economic condition which is
unhealthy, what about that? Briefly,
Bang.
>> Uh, the wiretapping case against the
president
>> he
>> proves that the law depends on whoever
is in power. Hm.
>> The law is interpreted by whoever is in
power in terms of power of arms, power
of rules, power of regulation, network
power, economic power.
Ah, that wiretapping case.
>> Yes. Network power.
>> In every case, network power can be seen
there.
>> Correct.
>> Now, if we look at it with that model,
then the big problem becomes how we
overcome law enforcement.
Let me ask first.
>> Hm.
>> Do they have noble intentions or not?
>> Well,
>> if they don't have noble intentions,
nobody should be in law enforcement.
They shouldn't be there.
Because the mandate is about noble
intentions, about the economy. Is their
livelihood sufficient? If it is enough,
don't put them in a position of
authority, or they'll keep being corrupt
. Okay.
>> Regarding job opportunities, has the
fiscal policy provided them yet, you
know?
>> Where is the fiscal policy directed? Who
is it siding with? Oh, that goes back to
the economic system. So, if Angga's
brief question is asked internally
you know.
>> Yes.
>> Eight aspects, if not eight, it's
already...
>> everyone has entered the digital age,
right?
>> It must be answered within a systemic
framework.
And the system then filters who the
leader with the competence is.
>> Yes.
>> So it's not just about skills, knowledge
, and attitude, but also fulfilling
their commitments.
In my simple language, let us improve
our individual capital.
>> Let us improve our social capital, let
us improve our political and economic
capital.
So that an Indonesian civilization is
born that is truly based on what we hold
as a shared conviction in our life as a
nation and state.
Subhanakallahumma wabihamdika asyhadu
alla ilaha illa anta. Peace be upon you
, and Allah's mercy and blessings.
>> And peace be upon you, and Allah's mercy
and blessings. Badiuzzaman Said Nursi.