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0:05 Brail TV. 0:12 Peace be upon you, Bang Ihsanudin Nursi 0:14 . And peace be 0:18 upon you. 0:19 Well, stay healthy, Bang. This is a 0:21 listener from Brazil, 0:23 Turkey, and several other places who 0:24 have been waiting for Bang Ihsanudin 0:26 Nursi on the other end of the phone. 0:27 How are you, Bang, this morning? Stay 0:30 healthy. Uh, Ramadan is one day away, 0:32 if I'm not mistaken. 0:33 If we're physically and mentally 0:37 healthy. 0:39 But if the state finances are in 0:41 disarray. 0:42 Well, this is it. This is it. This is 0:45 what's extraordinary. Ah, thousands of 0:47 trillions are at stake. Yes, not just 0:50 300 trillion, but the crime of 0:52 corruption and money laundering in this 0:55 republic seems extraordinary, right? 0:57 Calm down, there's still 11 trillion 0:59 left in your pocket. Who said that 1:02 before, I forget. There's a writing 1:04 from a listener like that. But Bang 1:06 Mahfud MD, this Coordinating Minister, 1:09 I don't know which Coordinating 1:11 Minister made the law to change the law 1:14 , I forget which one. But it seems like 1:17 Bang Mahfud keeps reminding us, even 1:19 now it's already 349 trillion in TPPU. 1:24 If today's headline is titled more 1:27 dangerous than corruption. Maybe it can 1:30 explain, "Bro, is this a new style of 1:32 corruption or what is this, Bro?" What 1:35 is this new one? Just one institution, 1:38 right? Not yet the Ministry of 1:40 Religious Affairs, PUPR or others like 1:42 that. This is the story yet. Go ahead, 1:44 Bro. 1:46 Hm. Bismillahirrahmanirrahim. 1:47 Assalamualaikum warahmatullahi 1:49 wabarakatuh. Waalaikumsalam 1:51 warahmatullah. 1:51 Emm, I was invited yesterday by the 1:56 Action Unit to Save Indonesia. 2:00 Hm. 2:01 Talking about the 300 trillion rupiah 2:05 that involved dozens of employees 2:12 from the Ministry of Finance. 2:16 I said 300 trillion rupiah is just a 2:18 fingernail. I just said he 2:23 learned from what I have revealed to 2:25 the public. I said, "He 2:27 learned from the data I collected that 2:30 300 trillion is nothing. Moreover, its 2:34 status is TPPU because ee the 2:36 unreasonable assets owned by Ministry 2:40 of Finance officials starting from 2:43 echelon 3, who are 2:45 not obliged to make ee reports on the 2:48 wealth of ee state officials. ee that 2:53 has happened in other institutions. ee 2:58 those who are only amen rank, ee low 3:01 rank, can buy extraordinary assets in 3:04 the property sector, build 3:07 extraordinary restaurants and play 3:10 areas in tourist spots that should not 3:13 be built but they can build them. That 3:17 is money laundering. So, if we go to 3:21 certain areas, for example, we go to 3:24 the Garut area, in the Bandung area, in 3:27 the Puncak area, in areas ee everywhere 3:30 , there are places that are actually 3:33 impossible to build but are built so 3:36 great because they have money. 3:39 Because there is money, but 3:42 there are no consumers yet, right? 3:44 The important thing is, is there money 3:46 first? That is, if there are no 3:48 consumers for residency. This is a 3:49 place to eat, a place Culinary, tourist 3:51 attractions. 3:52 Hehe. Things 3:52 that shouldn't be and are difficult to 3:55 build can be built like that. That's 3:57 strange, I mean. And it's a big 3:59 investment. 4:00 And it's not just happening in West 4:02 Java, it's the same in Banten too. Uh, 4:05 it's built so magnificently, 4:07 luxuriously with extraordinary 4:08 construction, that's also happening. 4:11 That's part of money laundering. The 4:12 assets are unreasonable. If Rafael Alun 4:15 Triambodo clearly 4:19 has, uh, he has up to 60 kilos. He has 4:24 up to 56.1 billion rupiah. Then there 4:28 are 13 wives of tax officials who own 4:32 shares in 28 companies. That's not true 4:36 . This is in the form of property. What 4:38 we see in the form of property is 4:40 amazing, this is extraordinary. 4:42 If the money is truly halal, it's 4:44 impossible to build investments like 4:46 that, you know? Logically, that's how 4:48 it is, and people are immediately 4:49 suspicious. In fact, it also happens in 4:51 the city center, uh, it's just 4:53 shown by using certain proxies, for 4:56 example, proxy A, but it turns out it's 4:58 not A who owns A, it's just the name 5:01 behind it that's this official, that's 5:04 money laundering. Well, if it's found, 5:06 it's like That's it, right? It should 5:09 be visible in the financial 5:11 transactions, what the flow of funds is 5:14 like, where they go. Ah, that's what 5:17 the PPATK found and conveyed to Mahfuz 5:21 from 2009 to 2000 until last February 5:24 2023, 5:25 the total was 300 trillion. I said this 5:28 , if we calculate from 2009 to February 5:33 2023, ee, ee, how much is that per year 5:37 ? Then we get a figure between 20 and 5:41 23.5 trillion. If we get a figure of 20 5:44 to 23.5 trillion, then per month, 5:47 that's the figure that's being played 5:50 with, up to 900 billion, right? 5:53 Hm. Yes. Yes, it's up 5:57 to something like that, up to 1.8 6:00 billion, 6:02 up to something like that. 20 trillion 6:04 divided by 12, the figure gets up to 6:08 1,900 to 1.8 trillion. Can you imagine 6:11 how much money they have circulating, 6:14 up to hundreds of billions to trillions 6:17 . Well, that's just the 300 trillion 6:19 story. In fact, if you use Uh, uh, 6:21 using construction, for example, 6:23 strategic transport pricing, where on 6:26 average, large companies, whether 6:28 foreign or domestic, generally practice 6:31 strategic transfer pricing, which 6:34 converts revenue into costs. 6:38 The numbers are much larger. Hmm. 6:41 As was once revealed by a BPK audit, 6:43 where we asked a company that was 6:45 collaborating with a state-owned 6:47 enterprise to practice strategic 6:49 transfer pricing. That was audited by 6:52 the BPK and proven, for example, I have 6:54 data on foreign companies that do 6:57 things like that. That's because the 7:00 government doesn't have the guts to 7:02 face foreign investors who do things 7:05 like that. So it's not just officials; 7:07 foreign companies also do things like 7:10 that. So the modus operandi is how much 7:13 tax, how much rate, and then there's a 7:16 decrease in tax payments. In Rafael's 7:18 case, you can see where it went, what 7:21 transactions were made, and what 7:23 position he held at the time. The same 7:26 thing happens 7:26 with large companies. For example, we 7:29 remember this, uh, when the Hadi 7:31 Purnomo case surfaced, 7:33 uh, although the PTUN later acquitted 7:36 him, the modus operandi seemed to be 7:39 take-for-granted. uh, the same thing 7:41 happened in the Gayu case. Sulumbun I 7:44 have, I have, there are about 13 names 7:48 in my inventory, 7:51 yeah, yeah, 12, sorry, there are 12 7:54 names. There are 12 names that we can 7:56 sort out thoroughly in tax matters. So 7:59 when we enter into TPPU, TPPU means, ee 8:03 , that's just what goes into banking. 8:07 Well, I was talking earlier about those 8:09 who enter the property world, whether 8:11 it's tourist attractions, culinary 8:13 places, or other places like that. 8:16 There's also one whose modus operandi 8:18 is a bit strange. Do you know 8:19 what that is, bro? H 8:21 buys paintings. 8:22 Paintings. I 8:25 buy paintings. 8:27 Yes. 8:28 There are buying paintings like that, 8:31 achievements, right? Yes, this is truly 8:34 extraordinary, what in the midst of ee, 8:37 what is the rampant corruption that 8:39 seems like in the past, we would have 8:42 said 100, 200 million, it would have 8:44 been shocking. Now it's not billions 8:47 anymore, trillions. Wow, crazy. Is that 8:50 really the case, or has the money been 8:52 diverted by inflation or what, bro, 8:55 actually? ee, I'm trying to draw 8:59 connections, ee, that's the main thesis 9:02 . Well, I, uh, I've specifically 9:06 studied this and that. That's why my 9:09 name was included in the Panama Papers, 9:11 and then I studied everywhere. 9:13 Yeah. 9:14 My name was already included, so I just 9:16 studied while hanging out there. Yeah. 9:18 Yeah. What's the path? Uh, 9:21 participatory research. 9:24 Uh, 9:25 in construction, for example, let's 9:28 take uh, those transactions, the modus 9:32 operandi is actually simple because 9:35 this, uh, Indonesian model in taxation 9:38 is self-assessment, or assessing one's 9:41 own tax obligations. Hehe. 9:46 To be a good taxpayer, not necessarily 9:50 a good tax officer. If we look at it 9:54 like that. 9:55 So, uh, the key word is, in taxation, 9:58 it means the Directorate of Audit and 10:01 Supervision. 10:03 Later, you can see that, later, 10:05 regarding the data and all sorts of 10:06 things, you can see that it was taken 10:08 there. That's one of the modus operandi 10:11 . Now, if we want to delve deeper into 10:15 the story about uh, those numbers. 10:18 Yesterday I mentioned no exclusion 10:20 without representation. So, there is no 10:23 tax without politics. So tax is a 10:26 political decision. Now, When politics 10:30 is so powerful, then taxes are like 10:32 that; the tendency for political errors 10:35 will be followed by a tendency for 10:38 errors in taxes. I've seen this happen 10:41 in America, for example, I once 10:43 mentioned it in Rasil, why Harvard 10:46 published" Why People Don't Trust the 10:48 Government. " 10:50 Yes. Well, 10:51 that was realized yesterday in America 10:53 when Obama was in office, Obama was 10:55 hunting down his citizens who didn't 10:57 want to be subject to high taxes in the 10:59 country. Corporate taxes were high, and 11:03 personal taxes were also high. Well, 11:06 they put them on Texen Island. 11:09 Interipan Island, there are 11:11 approximately 19 islands that are 11:13 declared tax-free. The 11:16 Bahamas, Morism, Moris, and so on. Well 11:20 , in America itself, there are also 11:21 things like that. Well, when we get 11:24 into the calculation of large numbers, 11:27 it will be clear from this relationship 11:31 , eh, what is the text ratio, what is 11:34 the GDP. Well, if then taken as a 11:37 standard, then I calculated this 11:40 yesterday, if he calculated the 11:43 standard text ratio of 10.38%as stated 11:46 by the authorities, our text ratio has 11:49 now risen to 2022 is 10.38%. Okay, so 11:54 what is the GDP now? The GDP is 19,882 12:01 trillion. So, the amount of tax that 12:05 should be collected is 10.38 12:09 10.38, how much should it be collected? 12:11 Well, you can see that. 12:12 Hmm. 12:13 Well, why was the figure less yesterday 12:15 ? Ah, I calculated the figure, it was 12:16 less. So, if you only calculate around 12:19 the current tax revenue based on that, 12:22 2,000 trillion or so, sorry, 1900 12:24 trillion or so, I got a figure of 12:27 approximately 103 trillion shortfall to 12:29 enter the state treasury if the 12:32 calculation is like that. 12:34 That's just the ratio text relationship 12:36 to GDP. Now, we're looking at how GDP 12:39 relates to circulating money from a 12:42 business perspective, how to calculate 12:44 it. Well, since the GDP is 19,882 12:47 trillion, for example, let's look at it 12:50 like that. 12:51 Then, eh, let's look at the money 12:53 circulation, ee, that's it. Yesterday I 12:55 found that the money circulation was 12:58 43.9%, so we can see now, ee, the 13:00 relationship of 43, that's what the 13:03 press is. How is 8,000 trillion taxed? 13:08 What percentage is taxed? That can be 13:10 related to what's called corporate tax 13:14 on money in circulation. 13:15 Hmm. 13:16 Corporate tax is mostly on corporations 13:19 , right? Because corporate 13:21 ee on ee ee ee ee 13:25 on ee banking data really seems to 13:28 dominate ee on money circulation. H, 13:31 the amount is like that, just take ee 13:35 to 22%and 13:37 multiply it. Well, that's also a large 13:39 number from there. That's one way we 13:41 calculate it. Uh, further methods, for 13:43 example, we take it like that. ee, this 13:46 can actually be seen ee in money 13:50 circulation ee if we use LPS data, 13:53 third-party funds as a form of savings 13:57 there. Then we calculate money 14:00 circulation as M2 with M1 related to 14:03 GDP, so we can also know what the 14:06 predicted figure is. 14:09 Well, taken again with the predicted 14:11 growth of investment, consumption, and 14:13 so on. We get the tax figure. So if the 14:16 figure is only that much, it's small. 14:20 Uh, extraordinary. Well, let's jump 14:24 Here, Bro. We're in the middle, in the 14:27 middle of such a big thing in the world 14:30 of taxation, apparently these village 14:33 heads are eyeing fresh new money amidst 14:36 the issue of the development father and 14:38 also the issue of rolling out what is 14:41 the extension. Not long ago, they came 14:45 again with the excuse of the Village 14:48 Law which I forgot how many years ago, 14:51 uh, asking again for the Village money 14:54 to be increased by 83,000 for this 14:57 Village. Is this extraordinary 14:59 political power or will there be a 15:00 village head party later? I don't 15:02 understand, Bro. But this money is not 15:05 small. So Megawati is scratching her 15:07 head, the head of the largest party 15:09 makes it so that they don't think about 15:11 asking for that much. Then the 15:13 Coordinating Minister said," Be patient 15:14 , be patient. We'll calculate it slowly 15:16 . "" What's really happening, Bro? Are 15:18 you looking for the people's welfare or 15:22 is there a story behind this story? Go 15:25 ahead, Bro. 15:27 There's a story, 15:28 Heeh. 15:29 The story is related to BoomDes. Who 15:31 controls BoomDes? 15:33 1 billion rupiah will eventually fall 15:36 into one village, it will ultimately be 15:39 a matter of the village government's 15:41 work plan, which will ultimately lead 15:44 to the 15:46 village revenue and expenditure budget. 15:48 He. 15:49 Then it will be activated so that the 15:51 funds will roll, educate the Boomdes 15:53 and then create another BoomDes 15:55 association. 15:56 What doesn't 15:57 appear on the surface is the matter of 16:00 how the village government's work plan 16:02 became the APBD, the village revenue 16:05 and expenditure budget. Then, it 16:07 doesn't appear there, it's not visible 16:10 there. 16:11 And we never know the effectiveness of 16:12 the village funds. 16:14 We never know the effectiveness of the 16:15 village funds. What we've heard is that 16:19 several village heads have been corrupt 16:21 . We've 16:24 heard things like that, eh, to the 16:25 point of being like that. Well, if they 16:27 bring up the issue of the village 16:29 budget again, it's related to the 16:30 extension, 16:31 He. 16:32 Previously, they had asked for 9 years. 16:35 Oh, yes. They 16:36 had asked for an extension to 9 years. 16:38 They had already asked for Also, the 16:40 village officials have also requested 16:42 something like that. He. 16:44 Well, the big idea is that this shows 16:49 this is interesting. 16:51 H 16:51 In analytical terms, it is very 16:54 interesting that what the Indonesian 16:57 Village Government Association Abdesi 17:01 did earlier illustrates the role of 17:04 sterile political parties. 17:07 Hm. 17:09 That's simply the role of sterile 17:11 political parties. If that should ee ee 17:15 run ee in the construction ee ee 17:17 political parties do play an optimal 17:19 role, then the aspirations should come 17:22 from the ruling political parties and 17:24 political parties that support the 17:26 government. 17:28 Ee I'm not talking about political 17:30 parties outside the government, because 17:32 outside the government, their stance is 17:34 sometimes unclear. So if we take that 17:38 construction ee then Abdesi's stance 17:40 illustrates a sterile political party 17:43 on the one hand. On the other hand, ee 17:46 Abdesi's stance has its own political 17:49 agenda. 17:50 I think if it wants to become a 17:52 political party, it 17:53 will be different. 17:54 Because in the end, it will be related 17:58 to ee various things 18:00 ee related to 18:02 ee bureaucratic apparatus and so on. 18:06 At the same time, I have to inform 18:09 Rasil TV viewers and Radio Rasil 18:12 listeners. There is not a single 18:16 village which to this day has clarity 18:20 regarding spatial village boundaries. 18:26 Isn't 18:27 that good? One. Second, there's no 18:29 clarity regarding the actual accurate 18:32 figures on poverty, unemployment, 18:36 and land ownership. The figures are 18:39 all guesswork. Two. Well, data, yes. 18:43 Third, there's no concrete data on 18:46 village needs and potential. This is a 18:49 dissertation because this study, as I 18:52 just mentioned, is a dissertation 18:55 to formulate how a policy that emerges 18:58 in rural areas should be based on e, 19:01 i.e., accurate and up-to-date data. 19:04 Is it deliberately made gray or what, 19:06 Bro? It's interesting if we continue 19:09 here 19:10 and it's not handled by the abdesi. 19:13 Well, interesting, right? The Desi 19:17 shouldn't be 19:18 taking care of, for example, the 19:20 village's geospatial ee, where are the 19:23 village boundaries, where are the 19:24 actual ee with what area conditions, so 19:27 that in the end we have a high level of 19:29 accuracy in village boundaries and 19:31 village area with its potential, with 19:33 its needs, with poverty and 19:35 unemployment data, with ee data with 19:37 various data on the structure of the 19:39 village, there's no valid data, 19:45 Accurate, actual, relevant, significant 19:47 . My terms are four. Actual, accurate, 19:49 relevant, and significant data doesn't 19:52 exist, it's not available. Now, what's 19:55 more interesting is that BPS makes it. 19:58 Well, how does BPS make it? BPS makes 20:00 it, right? BPS makes a survey. 20:03 H 20:05 means the error rate is high, the level 20:07 of accuracy and actuality cannot be 20:09 trusted. What are the indicators? The 20:11 indicators are when I was hunting for 20:14 the number of MSMEs in rural areas, 20:17 MSMEs in districts or cities, MSMEs in 20:20 provinces, when I asked the province, I 20:23 was thrown down to the second level. 20:26 When I asked the second level, it went 20:28 down again. No one could answer 20:30 correctly. I asked, it's not one 20:33 province. 20:34 When I had to survey MSMEs, right? 20:37 I want to survey MSMEs. Hey, I came. I 20:41 asked, why didn't anyone answer, where 20:43 did the data come from? Oh, it's from 20:46 the agency. How did the agency source 20:47 it? How did the survey work? Like that. 20:51 So when Abdesi spoke about the 20:53 development, what development is 20:55 happening in the village? 20:58 What development is happening now? 20:59 Development The inequality is clearly 21:01 visible. For example, I got a figure, 21:03 for example, that money circulation was 21:05 43%, so the picture of inequality is 21:07 even stronger. 21:08 Yes, that shows how much money is 21:11 circulating, 8,800 trillion, uh, then 21:14 uh, that's 19,882, so only 43%, 43.5%, 21:19 435%of the money circulating can be 21:21 drawn from what are called third-party 21:24 savings funds. uh, if we take PPS data, 21:26 it will be clear that the valuable 21:28 money is only in the hands of the rich. 21:31 So, it shows that the market is 21:33 actually struggling with liquidity, 21:35 which is impacting the economy. So when 21:38 we talk about economic growth of 5.31, 21:41 the result is evidence of the trickle 21:44 and effect failure. 21:47 Now, when we apply the trickle and 21:49 effect failure to abdesi, abdesi abdesi 21:51 is actually talking about village 21:53 development, BRI, and its failed effect 21:56 . Yes, now from IDR billion, they want 22:00 10 billion, right? The analysis is 22:02 extraordinary, it will be clear that 22:03 everything is playing within the 22:05 framework of a political agenda, so 22:07 understanding it in In the middle of 22:09 this political year, that's how it is. 22:12 Uh, but Bang, this is entering Ramadan, 22:15 ee ee yes, Abdesi has another program, 22:19 but there are also others who have 22:22 other programs. In the news this 22:25 morning, NBC reminded us that PLN will 22:29 adjust its prices again in April. Will 22:34 it change? The reason is ICP, or 22:36 Indonesia current price, as well as 22:39 coal price inflation and the rupiah 22:41 exchange rate against the dollar. I 22:44 actually remember this back when Bung 22:47 Hatta was arguing with Bung Karno about 22:50 electricity. Electricity should have 22:52 gone to cooperatives. But now it's 22:54 become an oligarchy. Now PLN only 22:57 controls the cables. Is that true, Bang 23:00 ? This is a story about us being 23:03 controlled by a few oligarchs, and even 23:07 installing our own electrical panels is 23:10 now tripping over regulations. So, what 23:13 do you think, Bang? 23:15 Oh, this is interesting again, talking 23:17 about interesting things this early in 23:19 the morning, Bang. 23:20 Not because I was an expert witness in 23:23 the electricity law lawsuit at the 23:25 Constitutional Court twice. 23:27 Hm. Yes. So that means when I'm 23:31 sponsored like this, my data comes out. 23:33 Especially yesterday, I spoke again 23:35 about the energy behind the board. With 23:37 the Pertamina Workers Union, right? 23:40 Then I also spoke at the PLN Workers 23:42 Union in Medan yesterday. So 23:45 why do I say this is interesting? 23:47 Because in essence, 23:49 he just describes, uh, the neoliberal 23:53 system running smoothly. Oh, 23:58 the conclusion is that the neoliberal 24:00 system runs smoothly. 24:02 That means don't talk about Article 33, 24:04 1, 2, and 3. 24:06 Yes. Uh, 24:06 those are just pretty words, sweet 24:09 words. 24:10 That means don't talk about the oath of 24:12 office. Those are just words when 24:14 you're about to take office. There's no 24:16 need to talk about that. 24:18 Because in essence, ultra-neoliberalism 24:20 runs smoothly. Well, that's indicated 24:23 from energy prices, electricity prices, 24:26 rice prices, uh, water, uh, education, 24:29 uh, all sectors that are essential to 24:32 the lives of many people have submitted 24:34 to commercial principles. Pertamina, 24:38 for example, admits that it has 24:39 submitted to commercial law, so energy 24:42 prices have risen. Mr. PLN secretly 24:44 submits to commercial prices. Well, 24:47 that's why it will increase in April. 24:49 Huh. 24:49 When everyone is so submissive At 24:51 commercial prices, it reflects the 24:53 neoliberal name. Education will also 24:55 emerge under the name PTNBH, state 24:58 universities, or legal entities, whose 25:00 BHP law has been revoked by the 25:02 constitution, but PTnbHs, for example, 25:05 are established. 25:06 In the end, the rectors are charged 25:08 with that article. Even though the 25:12 water resources law has been revoked, 25:15 water is still traded in the form of 25:17 bottled water, gallons. 25:21 Enjoy the liberal world. Enjoy 25:24 ultra-neoliberalism, in simple terms. 25:28 So if prices rise, that's a logical 25:30 consequence of the ultra-neoliberal 25:32 side. Don't be surprised. In fact, if 25:37 we look at the general plan for 25:40 electricity procurement, we also see 25:44 the blueprint for energy in Indonesia, 25:48 there's a shift from fossil fuel use, 25:52 from imported BA to domestic energy. 25:56 Well, when it's domestic, I was 25:58 surprised when you said this. When I 26:01 was talking excitedly about the 26:03 blueprint for the National Energy 26:06 Council's energy system, the national 26:08 energy blueprint was to reduce 26:11 dependence on supplies from external 26:13 sources, thus utilizing the power of 26:16 domestic energy, its primary energy. I 26:19 clearly remember my first debate with 26:22 the longest-serving energy minister, 26:24 Purnomo Yusantoro. 26:29 Then, I had a debate with several 26:30 people. I said it wasn't a discussion, 26:32 but a debate. 26:33 Hmm. Because there were differences of 26:35 opinion there. 26:36 So, from there, there was an 26:39 inconsistency. Now, when we encounter 26:42 policy inconsistencies and then there's 26:44 a consensus, right? If we use connected 26:47 vessels, if we use Arsimides 'law, it 26:49 will be clear that when there's an 26:51 inconsistency, there must be a 26:53 consistency, right? So, when we see an 26:57 inconsistency in Article 33 of the 1945 26:59 Constitution, there's a consistency, 27:02 the neoliberal consistency. Well, 27:05 yesterday in Medan, I proved that 27:07 what's actually going on is 27:09 ultra-neoliberalism from upstream to 27:12 downstream. Well, that's why Aan Talib 27:15 asked us,' We want to install it now. ' 27:17 Well, that's because the retail has 27:19 already been retailed. W. 27:21 Especially on the island of Java, Java 27:23 and Bali, which are so densely 27:25 populated and that's It's tempting to 27:27 profit from that. 27:29 The downstream sector has already been 27:31 retailed, commercialized. The upstream 27:33 sector also wants to do the same. Yet 27:35 primary energy is highly dependent on 27:37 the private sector. What does it look 27:39 like? 62%from coal. In fact, in 2010, 27:43 during the crisis, in 27:45 2008, before the crisis hit. Because, 27:50 ee, the capital market was closed for a 27:54 few days. One of my failures was the 27:57 government taking over a number of 27:59 suspended companies, ee, those with 28:01 large coal reserves, to merge them with 28:04 Bukit Asam to guarantee supply to PLN. 28:07 I don't want that. 28:10 Yes. 28:12 Yes. So I'm coming up with ideas. 28:15 Hmm, while asking for forgiveness from 28:19 Allah. Hopefully, I'll receive 28:20 forgiveness. While we're coming up with 28:22 solutions like that, huh? We're 28:24 confused about what these officials are 28:27 doing? We're thinking about domestic 28:33 energy security. We're thinking about 28:35 national economic security by ensuring 28:37 that the livelihoods of many people are 28:38 not commercialized. China has economic 28:41 resilience against the turmoil of 28:43 Western economic attacks because it 28:45 prioritizes the livelihoods of many 28:47 people. not commercialized 28:52 from the name of goods to services. The 28:56 highest service for example, if in the 28:58 current system, current technology in 29:01 the payment system, payment system, 29:03 when disturbed by the power of Jackma 29:06 and ee mass Yosi Sund, yes, 29:08 they are taken, taken, you can't, until 29:11 it affects the payment system, there is 29:13 competition between private and 29:15 state-owned payment systems. China does 29:18 not give that opportunity, 29:20 not given the opportunity, 29:21 yes, 29:22 because disrupting the national payment 29:24 system disrupts the needs of government 29:27 services, services needed by the 29:29 so-called ee society are part of public 29:32 services and it is impossible to 29:34 commercialize it. 29:36 Yes. Yes, whatever we see, China 29:39 manages ee ee the people 29:41 extraordinarily so that they start to 29:45 rule the world, yes, Saudi Arabia, Iran 29:48 now ee what about Russia with Ukraine. 29:52 Although today it was reported that 29:55 NATO began launching its planes to 29:58 monitor Russian ee planes. This China 30:02 has become a separate role, seeking its 30:05 world stage. What will this bank affect 30:09 world stability in the future or vice 30:12 versa or what is happening, this new 30:14 kind of competition, bro? What is 30:18 happening is, agree or disagree, 30:21 America's dominance, even though it is 30:24 being maintained, is declining. 30:27 Agree or not? He. 30:29 Ee ee even yesterday when North Korea 30:33 launched its missiles again, which was 30:37 widely reported in the Western world. 30:42 Wei, North Korea launched its nuclear 30:44 weapons again, 30:46 which was widely reported. E I don't 30:48 know what the domestic news was like, 30:50 but I read in the foreign news, wow, 30:52 the response was extraordinary. So all 30:55 the prestigious media in the West were 30:57 reporting on North Korea launching, for 31:00 example. Even though North Korea is 31:02 friendly with China, friendly with 31:04 Russia. This means that ee ee even 31:08 though America remains the country with 31:10 the most nuclear warheads, but with 31:13 China's capabilities, with North 31:15 Korea's capabilities, even with 31:17 Russia's capabilities, America is also 31:19 thinking. 31:20 Hm. 31:22 Thinking also faces a situation like 31:23 that. That's what I call, from a 31:26 military perspective, America's 31:29 capabilities are starting to be rivaled 31:33 by other powers. That's the shift ee ee 31:37 ee from unipolar to multipolar in terms 31:40 of power, which was previously in a 31:42 relationship of many, sorry, from ee ee 31:45 from ee power that was previously very 31:48 much determined by America is now 31:51 squared many. That's what they also 31:54 acknowledged through the National 31:56 Defense Strategic of the US in October 31:57 2022. That's what First. Second, from 32:00 an economic perspective, although 32:03 America enjoys the benefits of the 32:05 Ukraine-Russia war, they are also 32:08 disturbed, so they feel the need to 32:13 manipulate political issues, political 32:16 economic issues in certain regions. We 32:20 can see, for example, in the ASEAN 32:23 region, even though the regional 32:24 comprehensive economic partnership 32:26 initiated by China has emerged, they 32:29 still introduced the Indo-Pacific 32:31 Economic Forum as a replacement for the 32:33 Trans-Pacific Partnership. Well, that's 32:36 them, and that illustrates that, in 32:39 Chinese terms, America still wants to 32:41 remain the dominant country in 32:43 Southeast Asia. But at the same time, 32:46 we can also see that China's power is 32:48 attacking the ASEAN region all-out. 32:51 ASEAN plus 3 becomes, ee ee ee ee, a 32:54 picture of a shift in political 32:56 economic power in the ASEAN region. In 33:00 Europe, it's the same, in the Arabian 33:03 Peninsula. Well, China feels it has the 33:05 power, so it emerged as a peacemaker 33:07 between Ukraine and Russia. That's why 33:10 it offered a way to end the 33:12 Ukraine-Russia war. But is this Chinese 33:15 model a successful model for changing 33:18 from multipolar to unipolar to 33:20 multipolar, and ultimately, countries 33:23 become better? I say no. 33:26 Hm. I 33:26 don't really see it. That's it. So when 33:29 some people, uh, for example, suggest 33:32 to some figures that we maintain 33:34 relations with certain superpowers, and 33:37 this is it, 33:38 no. Indonesia has been right with its 33:40 political economy. Not just its free 33:42 and active foreign policy. Again, not 33:45 just its free and active foreign policy 33:47 , but what's needed is a free and 33:49 active foreign political economic 33:52 stance. So, what is a free and active 33:54 foreign political economy? It's not 33:56 outward-looking, it must be 33:58 inward-looking. Well, if it's 34:00 inward-looking, then the tactic is to 34:02 provide for the livelihoods of many 34:04 people, both in goods and in terms of 34:06 services, and they must not be 34:07 commercialized, only then can we talk 34:09 about a free and active foreign 34:11 political economy. Ultimately, 34:16 the country actually has extraordinary 34:18 foundations. 34:19 Oh, extraordinary. 34:19 Masyaallah. Oh, masyaallah. So 34:21 yesterday I added that, in terms of 34:24 taxation alone, 34:27 Indonesia can actually reduce its debt 34:29 through taxation. That's 34:31 it, yesterday, 34:32 from the tax aspect, I didn't talk 34:33 about resources. I haven't spoken yet, 34:35 I said I haven't spoken yet, yesterday 34:38 I spoke in front of my friends, because 34:40 the discussion was then streamed later. 34:42 distributed. 34:44 In terms of taxes alone, we can 34:46 significantly reduce our debt if taxes 34:48 are managed properly. Plus, good 34:51 resource management, coupled with 34:52 regional development. Wow, this country 34:56 can't possibly be a debtor nation. I, I 34:59 , and then, Sri Mulyani are admired as 35:02 the best finance minister. Yes, that's 35:06 why she's the best finance minister. 35:07 Yes, 35:09 a diplomat I once heard directly said, 35:12 Mr. Alex has this assistant, when he 35:15 was a top tool expert, he said that in 35:18 a world forum, we have pressure punches 35:21 , for example, 90%of which we only use 35:23 15%, he said. People all over the world 35:27 know how rich our country is. But 35:29 that's the fate of God's servants. 35:32 Hopefully, God will give us strength in 35:35 the future. 35:36 When it comes to the fate of servants 35:39 like that, my words come out. 35:41 Hm. 35:42 My words. Indonesia has more traitors 35:45 than fighters upholding the 1945 35:46 Constitution. 35:47 Like that. Finally, Bang, we'll close 35:51 our discussion at 840. Uh, what, Bang, 35:53 reminding you We are two days before 35:55 Ramadan. 35:57 This is the last day of Sha'ban, right? 36:00 The day of Sha'ban. Tomorrow we are 36:05 ready to enter Ramadan. That's 36:08 right, sir. 36:09 Fasting can only be done with optimal 36:12 honesty. 36:14 Honesty of heart, 36:16 honesty of mind, honesty of speech, 36:19 honesty of action. If this country 36:22 continues to live with lies, what will 36:25 happen is destruction. Because the 36:29 level of lies that are carried out more 36:32 and more continuously and the guilt for 36:35 those lies is apparent, it illustrates 36:38 how truly what I describe as a divided 36:41 nation, we depict that we are 36:43 institutionalizing an atmosphere of 36:46 fuka. The fuka is not natural fuka, not 36:48 volatile, uncertain, complex, ambiguous 36:51 , natural, but fuka. The fuka is 36:54 engineered fuka. The main problem is if 36:57 it is engineered fuka, then it actually 37:01 depicts us living in a habit of lying 37:03 and there will be no peace, tranquility 37:07 in a life filled with lies. So when 37:10 someone says not to disturb the Muslim 37:12 community who lives in peace and 37:15 tranquility, that is wrong 37:17 because it has already been disturbed. 37:20 It has already been disturbed. 37:22 disturbed to not live in peace. Well, 37:24 the main issue is what is the agenda 37:26 behind the so-called puka that was 37:28 created. What agenda? Well, that's what 37:31 we should investigate carefully, ee, 37:33 where the policy is headed. For example 37:36 , ee, just the words Pancasila, I 37:38 Pancasila but the essence is not or 37:40 what. This is what we should discuss 37:43 with the Muslim community and the 37:45 Indonesian nation as a whole so that we 37:47 truly do not deviate from the opening 37:49 words. 37:50 Both paragraphs one, two, and three, 37:52 which I mentioned the importance of 37:54 upholding the 5K. This Ramadan, ee, 37:58 should burn all those lies. 38:01 This Ramadan should burn all those lies 38:05 . This Ramadan should burn all those 38:08 falsehoods, like that. 38:10 It seems like the burning of falsehood, 38:12 falsehood, lies. So, as I wrote two 38:14 years ago, we will never begin to 38:17 improve this nation. 38:19 Subhanakallahumma wabihamdika asadu 38:21 alla ilahailla anta. Assalamualaikum 38:25 warahmatullahi wabarakatuh. May 38:26 the peace, mercy, and blessings of 38:28 Allah be with you too. 
