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0:57 Braille In the name of Allah, the Most 1:24 Gracious, the Most Merciful. Peace be 1:25 upon you, and Allah's mercy and 1:27 blessings. Brothers and sisters, may 1:28 Allah have mercy on you. Praise be to 1:31 Allah, for His grace and blessings, we 1:34 can be together again in the Health 1:36 Space on Radio Silaturahim for one 1:39 united Islam. Hopefully, this segment 1:42 will help us better maintain our body, 1:46 mind, and soul in peak health, so we 1:49 can be useful and beneficial servants 1:52 of Allah. Yes, and let us not forget to 1:55 send prayers and peace upon our leader, 1:57 our beloved Muhammad, the Messenger of 2:00 Allah, peace be upon him. May we one 2:03 day meet him at the time we long for 2:06 most, on the Day of Judgment. Brothers 2:11 and sisters, today we have a guest who 2:14 hasn't visited Rasil for a very long 2:17 time to share information or anything 2:20 related to—well, here he is. I think 2:26 we all know him, 2:28 Fuad Baraja, whom we are ready to greet 2:31 . Peace be upon you, and Allah's mercy 2:33 and blessings. 2:33 And peace be upon you, and Allah's 2:35 mercy and blessings. You're still 2:37 active at the National Commission on 2:39 Tobacco Control, right? 2:40 Yes, still, Miss. That 2:41 means we are still talking 2:42 about my life's passion. 2:45 Okay, so we are talking about tobacco 2:49 or cigarettes. If you happened to see 2:53 the Rasil flyer, the topic chosen by 2:57 our guest is: Students who smoke being 3:01 expelled from school. The solution. Now 3:04 , this is what we will discuss. Alright 3:07 , it feels like I can't wait any longer 3:09 , 3:10 yeah. Peace be upon you, and Allah's 3:13 mercy and blessings. I am very happy to 3:16 meet you all again. It's been a long 3:18 time since I was invited to Rasil, I 3:19 almost thought Rasil had forgotten me. 3:23 Alright, for those of you who often 3:26 follow my show, the Health Space, 3:29 especially on the issue of smoking. For 3:33 those who might be interested, please 3:35 feel free to check it out on Rasil TV. 3:38 Open YouTube, type "Rasil TV Fuad 3:40 Baraja." God willing, many previous 3:44 recordings are on YouTube. For today, 3:49 God willing, I will bring a theme that 3:51 has really touched me lately because 3:54 several times I've received calls from 3:57 parents, from people related to their 4:00 children who were found smoking, then 4:02 threatened with expulsion from school 4:05 and so on. I am very sad, very sad 4:09 indeed. The point is, God willing, we 4:13 will find a solution, but let us send 4:15 prayers and peace to the Messenger of 4:17 Allah, peace be upon him. May it reach 4:20 him and may we be written in the ranks 4:23 of his followers in the end times. 4:26 Amen. Allahuma. Alright, ladies and 4:28 gentlemen, viewers, I want to convey 4:32 that several times—no, not several 4:35 times, many times, maybe more than 20 4:37 times—I have received calls from 4:40 parents, usually mothers, and I will 4:42 discuss why mothers later. They call 4:45 and even cry, it happens very often, " 4:48 Sir, my child smokes, Sir.""Caught 4:51 smoking at school and is going to be 4:53 expelled from school and so on."" 4:56 Because it has happened so often, I'm 4:58 not surprised anymore." But, I will 4:59 explain what the solution is later. A 5:04 child caught smoking is about to be 5:06 expelled from school. This is, this is 5:08 very excessive, in my opinion. In my 5:10 opinion, it is very excessive. What 5:12 must be understood, what must be 5:15 understood is that smokers, whoever 5:18 they are, smokers are victims, yes, 5:22 victims of addiction caused by our 5:26 government's indifference toward this 5:29 issue, failing to provide a way out or 5:33 legal protection for the public from 5:36 the dangers of cigarettes. This is what 5:39 needs attention. Why do I say that? 5:42 Because almost every country in the 5:44 world, nearly 200 countries, has 5:47 ratified a convention or regulation on 5:50 tobacco product control called the FCTC 5:53 . I have mentioned this very often. 5:56 Indonesia is the only country in the 5:58 Greater Asia region. Only Indonesia has 6:00 not ratified it, along with a few small 6:02 countries; there are only a few 6:04 countries left worldwide. Meanwhile, 6:06 cigarettes in Indonesia have become a 6:08 massive problem because our number of 6:10 smokers is among the largest in the 6:13 world. If you speak in terms of the 6:16 total number of smokers, it might be 6:18 beaten by India or China because their 6:20 populations are over a billion. 6:23 But in terms of prevalence, prevalence 6:25 being the number of smokers compared to 6:27 the population, we are the highest in 6:30 the world. There isn't a single country 6:32 with 70%of its male population smoking, 6:34 as is the case in Indonesia today. This 6:38 makes it, simply put, two out of three 6:43 men smoke. So it is very difficult to 6:47 find men who don't smoke because there 6:50 are simply too many of them. And with 6:52 such a high smoking prevalence among 6:55 men, there is almost no legal 6:57 protection. Meanwhile, in other 7:02 countries, because they have ratified 7:05 the convention I mentioned earlier, 7:08 they are seeing a pleasant outcome. I 7:11 mean, the number of smokers is 7:12 declining everywhere. Because what is 7:15 being protected are the beginner 7:18 smokers. So they are cutting off one 7:21 generation. It means those who smoke 7:24 may continue, but with clear 7:26 regulations. For example, first, making 7:29 cigarette prices expensive. Then second 7:32 , cigarette advertising is totally 7:34 banned. Third, designated smoking areas 7:37 or places where smoking is allowed are 7:40 very limited. What exists are 7:42 smoke-free areas everywhere. It's 7:44 different here. Here, everywhere is a 7:46 smoking area except for places where 7:47 you aren't allowed to smoke. Whereas 7:49 abroad, you aren't allowed to smoke 7:51 anywhere except for places where it is 7:53 permitted. The difference is small, but 7:55 the effect is huge. Right. Now, we will 7:58 return to the school issue earlier. But 8:01 what I want to convey is that smokers 8:03 are victims. The tobacco industry will 8:07 do anything to turn a child into a 8:10 cigarette addict. They do everything; 8:14 they bribe the government. Yes, that is 8:17 very well known everywhere. In America, 8:19 that was in the past, not now. Back 8:22 then, it was very well known who was 8:24 bribed by the tobacco industry. They 8:27 were humiliated with a "wall of shame." 8:31 So, they justify any means to make our 8:35 children into cigarette addicts. 8:39 Because once they have started and 8:40 tried it, then become addicted, they 8:42 will keep smoking until they die. 8:44 Why do I say until they die? Because 8:46 very few people ever actually quit 8:49 smoking. 8:49 Yeah. Especially those who are still 8:51 healthy. Very few healthy people come 8:53 up and say, "Sir, I want to quit 8:55 smoking." That is very rare. Almost all 8:57 my patients at the smoking cessation 8:59 clinic are people who already have 9:02 health issues. They already have 9:03 problems. So they say, "Oh, Sir, 9:05 nowadays if I exercise even a little, I 9:08 can't handle it anymore.""Oh, Sir, if I 9:10 climb stairs for two floors, I can't do 9:11 it anymore.""Oh, Sir." Basically, the 9:14 problems usually stem from the fact 9:16 that they are already over 40 years old 9:18 , right. Now, back to the school issue 9:22 earlier. If you want to create a truly 9:27 smoke-free school, first, the staff and 9:31 teachers, including the principal, must 9:35 not smoke at all. 9:38 Wow. 9:39 If the principal still smokes, don't 9:43 dream of creating a smoke-free 9:47 generation. What does that mean? The 9:51 principal—well, there aren't many, 9:54 but some principals still smoke. There 9:57 was one high school I visited to 10:00 provide counseling or a seminar, and I 10:03 was rejected twice even though I didn't 10:07 ask to be paid. Yes, it means when I 10:10 arrived, I stated that I was from the 10:12 National Commission on Tobacco Control, 10:14 and I wanted to give a seminar for the 10:16 students. Oh, Sir, the students are 10:18 currently doing this, Sir. They are 10:20 having this event and that event. Okay. 10:22 When, Sir? A month later, I came back. 10:24 Oh, this is currently happening, and 10:25 this, and this. I noticed that on the 10:28 corner of the principal's desk, there 10:31 were cigarettes. I understood why—he 10:33 was worried that if information about 10:36 the dangers of smoking were shared, he 10:39 would be cornered by his own students, 10:42 perhaps. Anyway, then the teachers, 10:45 staff, including the cleaning service 10:49 —everyone in the school must 10:51 absolutely not smoke. Okay, that's from 10:55 the perspective of the school 10:56 environment. Then, from the student's 11:00 side, if you want to admit students who 11:06 don't smoke, just ask, "Do you smoke or 11:11 not?" It doesn't mean that if they 11:14 smoke, they won't be accepted, that's 11:16 not it. If you say smokers aren't 11:18 accepted, I'm worried the school might 11:21 not get any students at all. Because 11:24 right now, the increase in the number 11:26 of teenage smokers is insane. In 11:29 Indonesia, in the last 10 years, it has 11:31 increased by 300%. For smokers aged 10 11:35 to 14. So, if they are smokers, give 11:40 them a chance, right. How do you 11:44 provide that chance? By providing 11:45 information, holding a seminar or 11:48 counseling at school to explain: "This 11:50 is what smoking is, kids." Then, after 11:54 that, new motivation will arise, and 11:57 therapy or assistance will be provided 12:00 to help them easily quit smoking. After 12:03 quitting, they will lead a smoke-free 12:04 life at school. But not this way. 12:09 It’s difficult. Especially since they 12:11 already smoke outside. You just ask, " 12:12 Do you smoke?""No?""No, sir." They will 12:15 definitely say no. No way. They’d 12:16 admit to smoking. But if they are 12:18 eventually caught smoking at school and 12:21 then expelled, I think that’s not 12:23 quite right. Because, after all, this 12:26 child must be given a chance. Okay. If 12:29 they are already studying at a school 12:32 and it turns out they are a smoker. 12:35 First, give a seminar to everyone, not 12:39 just those who smoke. Perhaps the most 12:43 appropriate time is during new student 12:47 orientation; it is hoped that such 12:50 events can serve as... 12:53 A medium or an event for a complete and 12:56 correct explanation regarding smoking 12:58 issues, so these children understand. I 13:02 have been active in the National 13:04 Commission for Tobacco Control for 25 13:06 years now, or rather in tobacco control 13:09 or smoking control; this year marks 13:11 exactly 25 years, and coincidentally, 13:13 my field is education and community 13:16 empowerment. I have been invited to 13:18 almost every major city in Indonesia; 13:21 the only ones left are Papua and Aceh, 13:24 miss. 13:24 Yes. 13:25 If no one has invited me there yet. Now 13:27 , I see that many children there are 13:30 already smoking. We are talking about 13:34 schools that are permissive, and so on. 13:38 Perhaps explicitly they say that their 13:41 students do not smoke, but inside, it 13:44 turns out many students do smoke. It 13:47 means they don't smoke inside the 13:48 school—surely they don't smoke at 13:51 school—but outside, they do. 13:53 Eventually, when they feel the urge to 13:55 smoke, children who are already smokers 13:57 will usually ask for permission to go 13:59 to the restroom. Yes. 14:00 And in the restroom, they will smoke 14:02 for a moment. Once the nicotine need in 14:04 their brain is satisfied, they will 14:06 return to class feeling comfortable 14:08 because their addiction has been met. 14:11 Then perhaps later, they will ask for 14:13 permission to go to the restroom again. 14:16 It is almost certain that children who 14:19 frequently ask to go to the restroom 14:21 are smokers. What this means is that 14:25 students who smoke find it hard to 14:29 control themselves once they are 14:32 addicted. Especially those smoking a 14:35 pack a day; it’s almost certain they 14:37 will find a way to smoke at school, 14:39 whether in the restroom or somewhere 14:42 else. Now, when they get caught smoking 14:44 and are threatened with expulsion from 14:46 school. This is what we are going to 14:47 discuss. So once again, if there are 14:50 students who truly want to be accepted, 14:53 ask them heart-to-heart whether they 14:55 smoke. If they truly don't smoke, then 14:59 they must promise that if they are 15:01 caught smoking, they will be expelled 15:04 from school. If they really don't smoke 15:07 . If they admit, "Sir, I do smoke. give 15:12 them support, encourage them, provide 15:17 motivation, and give a full and correct 15:20 explanation, yes. Set an example, none 15:23 of the teachers here smoke, you see. 15:25 The principal doesn't smoke. So, if you 15:27 smoke, you are going against many 15:29 things. So, uh, give them support, 15:32 motivation, for example, therapeutic 15:35 support or other forms of motivation so 15:38 they can have the desire to quit 15:41 smoking. Okay. Now, only then, uh, in 15:44 the end, after three or four stages, if 15:47 there is really no other way. If they 15:49 really can't quit smoking, that might 15:51 be a case, but it shouldn't be that 15:52 they are expelled the moment they're 15:53 caught. I don't agree with that. There 15:56 is a funny story, Ms. Nuning. Yes. 15:59 I was once invited to a school in Depok 16:00 . I won't mention the name of the 16:02 school. It would be like trying to 16:04 embarrass that school, you know. So, I 16:07 was invited to a school in Depok at 16:09 that time to give a presentation on the 16:11 dangers of smoking at that school. 16:14 While the big screen was being set up 16:17 for the presentation and so on, the 16:20 guidance counselor came over to chat 16:23 with me while waiting for the event to 16:26 start. 16:27 Uh, I asked and chatted, and he said," 16:29 Oh, at our place, no one smokes, Sir. " 16:31 Oh, really? I said. Yes. None of our 16:36 students smoke. Oh, is that so? Yes. 16:38 Yes. Honestly, I didn't believe him. 16:42 But, fine, I didn't want to argue since 16:44 that's what he said. 16:45 It finished. After I gave the 16:48 presentation with slides, with images 16:51 of how lungs turn black due to smoking, 16:55 I explained everything clearly with 16:58 complete images. Yes. 17:01 After the Q&A session was finished, I 17:05 told them," Kids, if any of you smoke, 17:10 I'll say this just once, if any of you 17:14 smoke, if you want to quit, I will help 17:19 you with free therapy right here at the 17:21 school. "But if you come to my clinic, 17:24 you have to pay, you see." So, if you 17:27 want, please, if anyone here smokes, 17:29 I'll provide free therapy. "Believe it 17:32 or not? Three boys and one girl said," 17:35 I smoke and I want to quit. " 17:37 They just raised their hands. 17:39 That teacher probably wanted the earth 17:40 to swallow him up. So, indeed, there 17:44 are many of our students who smoke, 17:46 there are many. But don't immediately 17:47 judge them by saying they must be 17:49 expelled from school. No. I don't agree 17:50 with that. There are still many stages 17:52 to go through. Uh, because smoking is, 17:55 smokers are victims, you know. Help 17:57 them, provide explanations, offer 17:59 therapeutic support, and so on until 18:01 they truly can't quit. That's another 18:03 matter. I can't, I can't do more than 18:05 that. Well, that's it. But if we have 18:08 to judge them by expelling them from 18:10 school, that child's future depends on 18:12 that. How should I say? It's such a 18:15 pity if they end up having to leave 18:16 school and so on. Later, uh, they are 18:20 also at risk in school. The next step 18:22 is if they transfer schools and so on. 18:24 But in certain ways, please, if there 18:28 are those who want me to help at school 18:32 , go ahead. There are many schools; 18:36 generally, the schools that invite me 18:38 the most are health science colleges. 18:42 Uh, then health offices, besides 18:45 colleges, health offices in various 18:47 regions in Indonesia. But from schools 18:51 around Jakarta, the Greater Jakarta 18:54 area. In Greater Jakarta, there are 18:57 many schools that actually provide 19:00 complete information about the dangers 19:03 of smoking during moments like new 19:06 student orientation, or whatever you 19:09 call those events at the beginning of 19:11 the year, new student admissions like 19:14 hazing or whatever. 19:17 Yes. 19:19 Orientation programs. 19:20 Yes, orientation, those orientation 19:22 periods are really great moments. That 19:25 can be utilized. Generally, the main 19:30 thing I explain is that everyone, 19:33 including your fathers who smoke, do so 19:36 because they are addicted. Period. 19:40 There is no other reason. Yes, that's 19:43 what must be instilled, that they smoke 19:45 because they are addicted. Heh. 19:47 Yes. Now, why are they addicted? 19:50 Because they started. Anyone who never 19:53 starts smoking will never be addicted 19:56 for life. But once they try, because 19:59 friends usually lead them astray, I 20:01 often write this in my books: 20:03 friends who smoke influence those who 20:06 don't. Now, this is pitiful, isn't it? 20:07 So, why do I say they influence them? 20:10 Because the analogy is like this: 20:12 demons are surely going to hell. These 20:15 demons invite many humans to go to hell 20:18 with them, to keep them company in hell 20:20 . Well, many smokers are like that. 20:22 They know smoking is not good, that 20:23 it's wrong, they know. They invite 20:25 their friends to smoke too so that if 20:27 they get sick, they get sick together. 20:29 Oh my, that kind of thinking is really 20:31 behind the times. Anyway, once again, I 20:35 strongly urge schools or educational 20:39 institutions everywhere. Give students 20:44 their rights. What are students 'rights 20:48 ? We are talking about the smoking 20:50 issue, right. Students' rights to 20:52 receive complete and accurate 20:53 information. Because the information 20:56 circulating outside is false. What's 20:58 circulating out there is misleading 21:00 information, right. That is, regarding 21:02 cigarette advertisements. Where the 21:04 image of smokers in cigarette ads makes 21:06 it seem like they are flying. Some are 21:08 jumping from mountain to mountain. 21:11 There are those jumping from building 21:12 to building. That's how it looks. That 21:15 is because we do not ban cigarette 21:16 advertisements. Cigarette ads from all 21:19 over the world only exist in Indonesia. 21:21 Maybe in a few small countries, but 21:23 almost every country in the world has 21:25 no cigarette ads. Even cigarette ads on 21:27 television in Indonesia—out of the 21:29 whole world, they only exist in 21:31 Indonesia. Now, with the situation like 21:34 this, how can we expect a generation 21:36 that is 21:37 Yes, 21:38 good, right. Because cigarette ads are 21:41 not created with the goal of switching 21:43 someone from brand A to brand B, no. 21:46 Don't get it wrong. People who already 21:49 smoke brand A will keep smoking brand 21:52 A. Unless, perhaps, they run out or 21:55 something, but by definition, this 21:57 addiction means that once they are 22:00 addicted, they will smoke anything. But 22:03 if they have the money, they will keep 22:05 smoking that same brand. Now, the 22:08 cigarette industry competes to make 22:12 teenagers or children who are starting 22:16 to smoke choose their brand first, so 22:20 they continue their dependence on that 22:24 brand. So, once again, our students and 22:28 our children are all targets of the 22:30 cigarette industry. The main target of 22:33 the cigarette industry is our children. 22:36 So, once again, teachers and principals 22:38 , our students are indeed targeted by 22:40 the cigarette industry. The rest of the 22:43 world won't stand for it. The whole 22:45 world provides legal protection. But we 22:46 haven't been able to. Political will 22:50 from our government is still very weak 22:52 when faced with the cigarette industry. 22:55 Always threatened with" what about the 22:57 cigarette factory workers, "" what 22:59 about tobacco farmers, "those are all 23:01 just empty words. Those are all myths. 23:03 I can explain that later in the next 23:05 session or future topics. 23:07 He 23:07 Essentially, to principals and teachers 23:11 . First, provide—what was it? First, 23:14 their right to be given complete and 23:15 accurate information. Then, be given a 23:18 role model to follow. There shouldn't 23:21 be any teachers who smoke, let alone 23:23 principals. Then, if they already smoke 23:26 , it is their right to receive help to 23:29 quit smoking. Now, after that, if it 23:33 turns out they still can't...I don't 23:37 know, whatever you decide to do, go 23:40 ahead. But if they are suddenly 23:42 expelled for smoking, I don't agree 23:44 with that. That's all for now, we'll 23:46 discuss it later. Go ahead. 23:48 It would be great if students caught 23:51 smoking were expelled, but that is not 23:54 appropriate for children who are still 23:57 pursuing an education. What about the 24:01 others? As there are several questions, 24:05 we can go ahead and ask them right away 24:08 . This one is anonymous. I am a 11 24:11 th-grade high school student. There are 24:15 many examples of smoking at school, by 24:18 teachers, even if not in the staff room 24:21 , but in the canteen. Why is that? So, 24:25 is the rule that students who smoke get 24:30 expelled real or just a proposal? Thank 24:34 you. Okay. Look, if you're asking, the 24:38 rules are actually already in place. 24:40 Actually, schools, for instance, 24:43 Yes. 24:44 Are total smoke-free areas. This means 24:49 no smoking, no selling cigarettes, no 24:53 producing, or even offering cigarettes 24:57 and so on inside. It is strictly 24:59 prohibited. Yes, the areas that are 25:01 completely smoke-free are educational 25:04 institutions, health institutions, 25:08 and others. There are a few more. But 25:10 schools are definitely totally 25:13 smoke-free zones. No one is allowed to 25:16 smoke, no one can sell, advertise, or 25:20 promote cigarettes there. Now, in some 25:26 schools, it's true that some have 25:29 implemented this strictly, but not all 25:34 of them. There are still schools that 25:36 are permissive. And why is that? The 25:40 reason is that they are permissive, 25:43 allowing teachers to smoke inside the 25:45 school;" total "means the entire school 25:48 area up to the outermost fence is a 25:51 no-smoking zone. In school areas, 25:54 educational areas, 25:55 health areas, and children's play areas 25:57 , it's not allowed. No smoking is 25:59 permitted all the way to the outer 26:01 fence. So, if a teacher smokes in the 26:04 canteen or anywhere else, that's a 26:06 violation. It depends on the local 26:10 Education Office. Because there are 26:12 specific regulations there. Some 26:14 smoke-free zones might allow smoking if 26:17 a designated smoking area is provided. 26:20 But for schools, that's not possible. 26:22 Schools are total smoke-free zones. 26:25 This means up to the outer fence; 26:27 hospitals are the same, no smoking up 26:30 to the fence. Even in the parking lot, 26:32 people aren't allowed to smoke. Right. 26:34 Yes. So those are the health and 26:37 educational areas. So once again, if 26:40 anyone asks, this isn't just a 26:42 discussion; the rules exist, it just 26:45 depends on the implementation by local 26:48 authorities. Whether they have 26:50 implemented it totally or are still 26:53 still struggling due to certain reasons 26:56 , maybe because many teachers still 26:59 smoke, or other specific reasons. 27:03 That's for schools and the health 27:05 facilities mentioned earlier. But what 27:07 about campuses? 27:09 Well. Aren't campuses considered 27:10 schools, meaning educational 27:12 institutions? 27:12 Okay. Educational institutions anywhere 27:15 , from community health centers to 27:18 public hospitals, are not allowed. 27:22 Campuses are the same; they are all 27:24 smoke-free zones. The rules should be 27:26 there, but the implementation in the 27:29 field 27:29 is not yet visible. 27:32 Okay. This is from Budi asking about 27:36 VAPE, Sir. Are the dangers the same? 27:40 Goodness. 27:41 Okay, 27:42 it's fine, we'll answer it now. We've 27:44 explained a lot about this previously. 27:47 But it's okay, 27:49 Mas Budi. Well, actually, let's explain 27:51 it so there's historical context. Why 27:54 did vapes even appear? Whether it's VAP 27:56 , vape, or electronic cigarettes, or 27:58 whatever we call it, let's just call it 27:59 vape. Well, huh. 28:03 PON. Yes, whatever it is. At first, it 28:06 didn't exist; 10 years ago, this vape 28:08 thing wasn't popular. But because of 28:12 rules, meaning laws or regulations 28:15 regarding cigarettes, or laws 28:18 concerning cigarettes all over the 28:22 world, have been implemented, the 28:25 cigarette industry is threatened with 28:29 losing customers because the trend is 28:33 declining everywhere. Only in Indonesia 28:36 is the trend of teenagers smoking still 28:38 rising. Now, because of that, the 28:41 cigarette industry is considered a 28:45 sunset industry. A sunset industry 28:50 means an industry that will surely go 28:52 extinct. So, when will it go extinct? 28:56 There are one or two countries that are 28:59 very strict. In 10 years, there will be 29:01 no more cigarettes. That exists. 29:02 Oh, y 29:02 es. It exists. If Ms. Nuning looks at 29:05 New Zealand, the rules are very clear. 29:08 Yeah. 29:09 Those born in 2008 and later cannot 29:11 smoke. That's the ban. 29:14 2008 and after. 29:16 Meaning the later years. If you look 29:18 from 2008 onwards, you are not allowed 29:21 to smoke. 29:21 That is already clear. 29:23 What does that mean? Later, when this, 29:25 now 2023, that's already 15 years, 29:29 right? 29:30 15 years. In the 16th year, 29:32 automatically, the older people will be 29:34 fewer who smoke, in the sense that they 29:37 passed away or stopped smoking, right? 29:39 Yeah. 29:40 And this is also because the price of 29:41 cigarettes there is very expensive. The 29:43 price of a pack of cigarettes there is 29:45 almost a million. 29:47 Yeah. 29:48 One pack, right. Not a whole carton. So 29:51 once again, the government is truly 29:53 protecting its people by making prices 29:55 expensive, strictly enforcing 29:57 smoke-free areas, banning 29:59 advertisements, all of that is 30:01 implemented. Now, that is why it is 30:03 declining everywhere. Now, regarding 30:05 Mr. Budi's question earlier, this 30:07 cigarette factory is losing customers. 30:10 What is being done? They created this 30:13 vape. 30:14 As if vaping were safe. Vape is, what 30:18 do you call it? It's cleaner. It 30:21 doesn't cause anything. That's totally 30:23 wrong. 30:24 Okay, let's take a call first. Hello. 30:27 Assalamu'alaikum. 30:30 Wa'alaikumussalam warahmatullahi 30:33 wabarakatuh. 30:34 Okay, who is this? Where are you from? 30:37 It's Fajar, Ms. Nuni, in Kemayoran. 30:41 Okay, go ahead. 30:44 Yes. Uh, Assalamu'alaikum, Sir. 30:46 Wa'alaikumussalam, Mr. Fajar. Yes, go 30:48 ahead. Wa'alaikumussalam. Yes. Yes. I 30:50 am someone who has quit smoking. I 30:56 smoked from elementary school and 30:58 stopped in 2012. 31:00 So it's been almost 11 years. 31:02 How old are you now, Sir? Fajar. 31:05 Age. Uh. 31:08 Currently. 31:10 Almost th- 31:15 38. 31:15 38. 31:17 Almost 38. Okay. Okay. Please continue. 31:19 Yes. Yeah. Yes. So, Yes. So, for 11 31:24 years I have stopped. 31:27 So, if it’s okay, firstly, Ms. Nuni, 31:30 could you please send me Mr. Fuad’s 31:34 number later so we can discuss this 31:37 further? 31:38 Yeah. And secondly, if possible, I hope 31:41 Mr. Fuad can share his expertise with 31:44 more people, sir. On how to help people 31:47 quit. Especially the mothers, maybe at 31:50 prayer groups or community welfare 31:52 programs. They are incredibly militant 31:54 about these things, you know. 31:55 Especially concerning their families 31:57 and their children. 31:58 Yes, that’s right. The way to do it 32:00 if...Yes. Yeah. If the... 32:02 Yeah. Yes. For those who are already 32:05 struggling, how can we provide 32:06 education to those mothers? So, for 32:09 example, one person can influence 32:10 several others, and it spreads like a 32:12 chain reaction, sir. 32:13 Oh, right. Yes. Ye-yes. It’s 32:15 concerning. Because if we...Yeah. 32:17 Expect the government to act, I’m 32:19 sorry, but there are campaign funding 32:21 issues involved. And they are also 32:24 afraid that if they take a firm stance 32:27 against smokers, they won't get 32:30 re-elected. Because even the voters, 32:33 well, they are smokers too, so they 32:35 might be worried about that. So, rather 32:37 than relying on them, it’s better if 32:40 we focus on prevention for those who 32:42 haven’t started. And for those who 32:45 want to quit, we teach them how, 32:47 especially the mothers; they are truly, 32:50 very militant. 32:51 Yes. 32:51 Very much so. Hopefully, this will be 32:54 beneficial, sir. Thank you. 32:56 Wait, wait, Mr. Fajar. 32:57 Yes. Peace be upon you. 32:59 Yes. So, you mean we should share these 33:02 insights with the mothers so they can 33:04 become agents of change regarding this 33:07 smoking issue? Is that what you mean? 33:10 Yes. That’s right, sir. Yes, exactly. 33:12 Because, generally, many mothers feel 33:14 victimized because their husbands smoke 33:16 , you know. They are actually very... 33:18 Yes. That’s right, sir. 33:19 How should I say it? They hate it, but 33:21 what can they say? 33:23 Exactly. 33:23 That’s it. I quit because I know 33:25 it’s wrong and unfair to others, sir. 33:26 I'm afraid that in the afterlife, 33:28 someone we don't even know might sue us 33:30 for it. Yes. I 33:31 you know. Who is this? And they’ll 33:33 say," On earth, you smoked in front of 33:35 me, and I was too afraid to speak up. " 33:37 They’ll hold us accountable there, 33:39 and that’s terrifying. 33:40 Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Fajar. Peace 33:42 be upon you. 33:43 And may peace and God's mercy be upon 33:44 you too. 33:45 So, Ms. Nuning, this phenomenon in 33:47 Indonesia is truly unique, isn't it? 33:50 Because in the rest of the world, the 33:51 story regarding smoking is already 33:53 reaching its end. It doesn’t mean 33:54 there are no smokers, that’s wrong. 33:55 It doesn’t mean smoking has vanished 33:57 worldwide. No. It means this: 33:59 The ending is already in sight, you 34:01 know. 34:02 Yeah, 34:02 that the outcome will be by 2050, like 34:06 in European countries or others. 2040, 34:10 2030. But what is clear is that it 34:12 already has an ending. But in Indonesia 34:14 , it doesn't yet, as it's still a long 34:15 way off. Because our government to this 34:17 day lacks the political will, so they 34:20 haven't tackled smoking properly, right 34:22 ? Well, God willing, later I can find a 34:28 way how we can better spread 34:33 information about the dangers of 34:34 smoking. For Mr. Fajar who is still 34:36 listening, you can check YouTube by 34:39 typing Rasil TV Buat Baraja. There are 34:42 many, uh, lectures from back in the day 34:45 , I mean, there are so many. Uh, here 34:48 is a question, unfortunately, there is 34:51 no name attached, regarding what if 34:54 Muslim-owned stalls did not sell 34:56 cigarettes. How do we persuade Muslim 35:00 merchants, at the very least? To stop 35:04 selling cigarettes. Rasil has so many 35:07 listeners, doesn't it? Oh, okay. 35:10 So it's like this, I know, I know, I 35:12 know there are already many stalls that 35:15 deliberately don't sell cigarettes, 35:18 there are many 35:19 already. I know, even in my book, I 35:21 wrote it, I took a picture, there is a 35:24 photo in the Bekasi area, I took it, we 35:26 don't sell cigarettes, but those who do 35:29 sell them are far more numerous. 35:32 Meaning, uh, it is indeed our duty to 35:36 explain to them that the blessing from 35:40 selling something bad can be questioned 35:45 . Meaning if we sell something that, uh 35:47 , is indeed a bad and harmful item, 35:50 there is no blessing in it. 35:53 Yes. yes. Because after all, what we 35:55 are selling is a forbidden item. It is 36:00 still being deba-debated, here in 36:01 Indonesia it is highly debated, where 36:03 it's forbidden from, and all sorts of 36:05 things. We don't need to listen to 36:07 those people. Let's just listen to the 36:09 world's scholars entirely. I say that 36:12 Islamic countries, every Islamic 36:14 country says that smoking is absolutely 36:16 forbidden. Their duty is to convey 36:20 why is smoking absolutely forbidden? 36:22 Because smoking is included as khabith. 36:24 An item that is khabith or khaba'ith. 36:26 Yes. 36:27 If an item is bad and endangers health, 36:29 it is included as khaba'ith. 36:32 Yes. 36:32 Well, if it is khaba'ith, it is clearly 36:34 forbidden. Because in Surah Al-A'raf 36:37 verse 157, it has been ordained by 36:39 Allah that the messenger they follow, 36:42 namely Prophet Muhammad, is a Messenger 36:45 who invites them to do good, forbids 36:48 them from doing evil, makes good things 36:51 lawful for them, and makes everything 36:54 bad forbidden. That is in Surah 36:56 Al-A'raf verse 157. Yes. 36:59 So, any form of bad thing, bad object, 37:02 poisonous, especially if it kills, is 37:05 forbidden. The debate among scholars in 37:09 Indonesia is still very lively 37:11 regarding this issue of the prohibition 37:14 of smoking, yes. But all over the world 37:16 , scholars in Islamic countries have 37:18 all forbidden it. Forbidden in the 37:19 sense that there is no more debate, 37:21 right? Well, here it is still being 37:24 contested, right? Okay, continue. Yes. 37:27 This is from 37:28 was that answered earlier? 37:30 Emm regarding 37:34 the issue of selling cigarettes earlier 37:35 , right? 37:36 So, it means when we realize that 37:39 something bad is definitely forbidden, 37:42 anything bad is forbidden; it’s 37:45 settled. It means when we avoid 37:48 something bad, when we leave behind 37:49 what is forbidden by Allah, Allah will 37:51 replace it with something better. That 37:55 is certain. Because whatever we leave 37:58 behind for the sake of, uh, leaving the 38:01 bad or leaving the forbidden, will be 38:04 replaced by Allah with something better 38:07 . Yes, so there are many stalls or 38:09 shops that don't sell cigarettes, but 38:11 if you count them, there are still far, 38:13 far more that do sell them. 38:15 Okay. Okay. This is from Dara. Peace be 38:21 upon you, Mr. Fuad. Many of our 38:23 scholars in Indonesia still smoke, with 38:26 their own various justifications. If 38:29 cigarettes are clearly dangerous, why 38:32 not just quit? Yes, isn't it cooler to 38:34 spread the Islamic message without 38:37 cigarette smoke? Yes, we just discussed 38:40 that, and that is indeed the situation. 38:42 I once, I once was with the late Ali 38:44 Mustafa Yaqub, the former head of the 38:47 Indonesian Ulema Council (MUI). 38:50 Ali Mustafa Yaqub. K.H. Ali Mustafa 38:53 Yaqub. I once sat at the same table 38:55 with him at an event in, uh, the Mayor 38:57 of Bogor's office. Invited by the Mayor 38:59 of Bogor. At that time, we sat at the 39:00 same table, right next to each other. 39:02 Heh. 39:02 Before the event started, he said," Sir 39:05 , in Bogor, there is one area where the 39:08 cleric gives sermons while smoking. " 39:11 Then he asked his congregation," Ladies 39:13 , what is the ruling on smoking? "The 39:15 ladies said," It is forbidden. "He said 39:16 , the ladies said," It's forbidden, 39:17 ma'am. "" The problem is, I can't give 39:19 a sermon if I don't smoke. "There is no 39:23 power and no strength except with Allah 39:24 . 39:24 So, that addiction is truly 39:25 extraordinary, isn't it? 39:26 Extraordinary. And this is not just 39:28 among clerics, professors, what are 39:31 they called? Professors, doctors, yes, 39:35 specialist doctors; I know many who 39:38 smoke, yes. Well, that's what happens 39:40 when you're addicted like that. So, 39:41 let's avoid it so we don't get addicted 39:43 , okay? Heh 39:44 heh 39:45 moving on. Okay, this one is another 39:48 anonymous one sent to Rasil WhatsApp, 39:52 it hasn't been read yet, Ms. Nuning. Oh 39:56 , there was a disruption; I don't know 39:58 why it dropped earlier. Um, if you want 40:02 to call, you can use the Rasil WA at 40:04 0811999720. Because during a live 40:10 broadcast like this, calls on WhatsApp 40:12 can be picked up and received, yes. 40:15 Alright, this is from the person who 40:17 asked earlier, it has been moved. This 40:21 one is also anonymous, 08, 8 what, I 40:25 don't recall. It relates to the idea 40:30 that if schools or educational 40:34 institutions really implement the rules 40:41 that are already in place, they really 40:43 should do so immediately. Because, my 40:46 goodness, it is terrifying when 40:50 thinking about people who are addicted; 40:54 this is from Ms. Darma, Mr. Fuad. Ms. 40:57 Darma. 40:58 Welcome back to Rasil, Mr. Fuad. I had 41:02 experience with my husband, and now I 41:04 have a son-in-law who is also a smoker. 41:06 Although he doesn't do it constantly. 41:08 Every time he smokes, I feel really 41:10 breathless. But I feel awkward about 41:12 telling him. Well, here it is. 41:14 Ma'am, try talking to him. Have a 41:16 heart-to-heart talk," Son, as your 41:19 mother-in-law, I want you to quit 41:21 smoking. "" If you feel like you can't 41:24 quit yet, Mr. Fuad Baraja can help with 41:27 therapy. "He can be treated, the 41:29 important thing is that he is willing. 41:32 The intention to quit smoking. 41:34 If he wants to, if he says he wants to, 41:35 I can help. 41:36 Yes, that's right. 41:37 And later at the end, Mr. Fuad's phone 41:39 number will be shown. Please take note 41:41 of it so it's easy later. Alright, this 41:44 is from Surya, from YouTube. Um, Mr. 41:48 Fuad, here is the question. I am a 32- 41:50 year-old male, a heavy smoker. I want 41:53 to start a healthy life, one of which 41:55 is by quitting smoking. But people say 41:57 that quitting smoking has to be done 41:59 gradually, sir. Is it okay if I stop 42:02 suddenly? Can you do that? 42:04 Sir? What is his name? Is there a name 42:06 there? 42:06 Um, where was it? See? 42:08 Okay, it's fine. 42:09 Okay. Surya. Surya, sir. Surya. Yeah. 42:12 Sur 42:12 maybe he should change his name first. 42:13 Don't be Surya. 42:16 The brand is the same, right? So here's 42:18 the thing, Mr. Surya. First of all, I'm 42:22 not saying this because I heard your 42:24 question, but the best way to quit 42:27 smoking is what's called cold turkey. 42:31 Cold turkey is stopping completely all 42:33 at once and not starting again. 42:36 Not stopping gradually. 42:39 If you stop gradually, the chances of 42:42 going back to smoking are higher. So 42:45 the best way is to stop completely all 42:48 at once; that's the best and most 42:51 effective. But the problem is, to quit 42:54 smoking, two things are needed. First 42:56 is intention, second is motivation. 42:58 Mm. 42:58 Intention is desire. Now, if you ask 43:01 about this desire, out of 100 smokers, 43:03 I'm sure 95 would say they want to quit 43:06 , but their motivation is lacking. Yeah 43:09 , most of them don't have strong 43:11 motivation. Eventually, they find it 43:13 difficult or can't stop because their 43:15 motivation isn't strong enough. Very 43:17 many. I'll give just one example of the 43:19 motivation that I most often share. 43:20 There was a friend or patient of mine 43:23 from Bandung, oh sorry, Cirebon. From 43:25 Cirebon, he came to my house driving 43:27 his own car, all the way to my front 43:29 door," Sir, I want to quit smoking. "I 43:31 asked," Sir, you came all the way from 43:33 Cirebon, driving your own car, to quit 43:35 smoking. "" What is the motivation? " 43:38 The fact that he made it to my front 43:39 door means he must have the desire, 43:41 right? Mm. 43:41 But as for the motivation, I didn't 43:43 know it. What did he say?" I have a 4- 43:45 year-old son who has now started 43:46 smoking. " 43:47 My goodness. 43:48 What does that mean? There are many 43:50 little children aged 3 or 4 who smoke, 43:52 there are hundreds of thousands of them 43:55 , it's so many. 43:56 So it means that when he suddenly...he 43:59 saw his son smoking, not just saw. So 44:02 the one who knew was the teacher. The 44:04 teacher found cigarettes inside the 44:06 student's school bag. Then the child 44:07 complained to their father. The father 44:09 was invited to the school and told that 44:11 his child smokes every day. He didn't 44:13 believe it, so he asked his child 44:15 directly," Son, do you smoke? "" Yes, 44:16 do you smoke every day? "" Yes. Where 44:18 do you get the cigarettes? "" From your 44:19 cigarettes, Papa. "So, as soon as he 44:21 heard that, he was shocked. He came 44:24 straight to my place from Cirebon, 44:25 driving his car all the way. And his 44:27 motivation was very strong. 44:28 That is what made it easy for him to 44:30 quit smoking. After one therapy session 44:32 , he could stop because his intent was 44:34 strong, and his motivation was too. Yes 44:36 , there are still many examples of 44:38 motivation. In my books, there are over 44:40 700 of them. 44:41 I 44:42 go ahead. 44:42 Okay. So, if I'm not mistaken, 44:45 Indonesia is the third country, which 44:47 is incredible, 44:49 after China and India, right? 44:50 Yes. After China and India, and I don't 44:52 know the current information for this 44:54 year. But in 2020 alone, every year, 44:57 more than 252,000 people died due to 44:59 smoking. Yes. In in Indonesia 45:04 243, yes. It’s been increasing, 45:07 hasn't it? So don't say dying because 45:10 of cigarettes, Ma'am. They will 45:12 definitely argue with you. 45:14 Yeah. 45:15 Dying due to illnesses caused by 45:18 smoking. 45:19 It’s a long story, basically. 45:20 Yes, that's fine. If you say this 45:21 person died because of cigarettes. 45:22 It’s impossible; cigarettes don't 45:24 kill. 45:25 How could someone say cigarettes kill? 45:26 Right. 45:27 Yes. 45:27 So I’m reminded of Taufik Ismail’s 45:30 poem. 45:30 Taufik Ismail. In the fields, farmers 45:33 smoke; in factories, workers smoke; 45:34 where else? Maybe we can read it 45:36 sometime. 45:37 Yes, let's read it another time. Okay, 45:38 we’ll take a short break, and we will 45:40 return to your room shortly. Stay tuned 45:43 to Rasil for Islamic unity with Fuad 45:46 Baraja, who is talking about smoking. 45:49 Where school children who smoke will be 45:52 expelled. Hello, we are back after the 45:56 break. Rasil. Thank you for still being 49:03 with Rasil for Islamic unity with Fuad. 49:06 Baraja, discussing a very popular topic 49:10 of smoking, even though many dislike it 49:14 . And earlier I said you need to note 49:18 the number, so have a pen ready if you 49:22 need to ask him something, keep the 49:27 number in hand. 49:29 What is it? 49:30 Yes, write it on your phone so it 49:32 doesn't get lost, maybe. On your phone 49:33 or anywhere else. 0811 49:37 0811 49:39 866 49:41 866 49:43 411 49:45 411, let's repeat it: 0811 49:49 866 411, please write it down, Mr. 49:54 Fajar. As mentioned, feel free to write 49:56 it down to contact Mr. Fajar. Wait 49:57 until I finish the show, though. Don't 49:59 contact me now; for the next hour, we 50:01 are still here. So, once the show is 50:03 over, feel free to get in touch. Or 50:06 just send a message later, and I will 50:08 contact you once I'm home, so take it 50:10 easy. It'll be a hassle if we're still 50:12 on the road later. 50:14 Okay, let's move to a question sent 50:17 from, uh, the YouTube channel, from, uh 50:23 , Mamah Indri, right? Assalamu'alaikum, 50:27 Mr. Fuad. For private schools, 50:29 shouldn't the foundation chair or the 50:32 principal make rules for vendors around 50:35 the school to not sell cigarettes and 50:37 prohibit smoking? And secondly, the 50:41 school should also frequently check the 50:43 students 'bags. If anyone is caught 50:46 with cigarettes, provide education, not 50:48 punishment. If they can be 50:51 rehabilitated at your place, Mr. Fuad, 50:54 that would be cool, right? Oh, okay. 50:58 So, that is indeed very ideal if, uh, 51:01 the rules are actually in place. There 51:04 is a rule that you can't sell within a 51:06 certain distance from schools, but the 51:09 problem is the implementation, you know 51:12 ? So, if there’s a rule that you 51:14 can't put up cigarette ads within 100 51:17 meters of a school, that rule actually 51:19 exists. So, it just depends on whether 51:22 the school has the initiative, right? 51:24 Yeah. 51:25 Does the school have the initiative to 51:28 save its students from this menace 51:31 called cigarettes? Why do I call it a 51:34 menace? Cigarettes are the source of 51:36 many disasters, you know. Downfall, 51:39 poverty, dependency, damage, poor 51:42 health—everything stems from 51:45 cigarettes. Even stupidity. It is 51:49 proven that many students who smoke see 51:51 their performance decline. Their 51:54 academic performance drops. Because 51:56 when they are at school, they can't 51:59 grasp the lessons with a clear mind. 52:03 Because when the urge to smoke hits, 52:07 they can't focus on the lesson as they 52:11 feel they need a cigarette first. Yeah, 52:15 if they're in an office or somewhere 52:17 else, maybe they could. If they can 52:19 step out for a moment. But in school, 52:20 they can't. So ultimately, their 52:23 performance drops, often leading them 52:25 to ask for permission to go to the 52:26 bathroom. Now, 52:28 since they can't just smoke anywhere in 52:31 general, their academic performance 52:33 usually declines. For those who smoke, 52:36 don't argue that even many doctors 52:39 smoke. That's not the point. We need to 52:41 save our children because their brains 52:43 are not yet fully developed, you see. 52:46 So they can absorb their lessons well, 52:50 right? Other matters later. If 52:52 they’ve graduated from school and are 52:54 already working, I’m not saying that 52:57 if they work and smoke, it’s okay; 53:00 it’s just that they are more mature. 53:03 Meaning they can already decide for 53:05 themselves what is good or bad. 53:08 Yes. 53:08 So they can think for themselves. 53:10 I saw your phone ringing constantly, 53:15 Mr. Fuad. Let's wait until the 53:17 broadcast is over, okay? Uh, this one 53:20 is from Ms. Miftah. Assalamu'alaikum, 53:22 Mr. Fuad. My father is a smoker; he can 53:25 finish a pack in one day. It’s hard 53:27 to talk to him; he says if he doesn't 53:29 smoke, his mouth tastes sour. Oh, how 53:32 can I help my father stop smoking with 53:35 candy? So, how does it work, sir? Or 53:36 should they be taken to therapy? 53:39 Well, let me explain a little. Please 53:43 don't think that this therapy 53:45 immediately makes people stop smoking 53:47 right away. No. Any therapy to quit 53:51 smoking is meant to be helpful. Don't 53:56 think that just because I touch them, 53:57 they'll instantly quit smoking. No. 53:58 Don't think that way. Because, first, 54:01 they need to have the desire and strong 54:05 motivation, and I always ask patients 54:08 at my clinic: what is your motivation? 54:12 He he. 54:12 Some say," Well, sir, cigarettes are 54:14 expensive now. "So, my expenses are 54:17 higher now because of buying cigarettes 54:20 , and that's a good motivation. 54:22 If a pack cost 500,000 rupiah, that 54:24 would be cool, right? 54:26 Let's not even go that far. 54:27 People buy them. 54:29 At 75,000 rupiah; ideally, it should be 54:31 75,000 here. But as I said, it's 54:33 difficult because the counter-arguments 54:36 from the tobacco industry are very 54:38 strong. So, once again, don't imagine 54:41 that people just get therapy and then 54:43 stop smoking, no. First, they must have 54:46 the desire. Then they need to have 54:48 strong motivation. Any therapy, whether 54:51 it's hypnosis or the therapy I use, 54:55 called SAF. Pardon me, praise be to God 55:01 , the SAF therapy or other therapies 55:03 are there to assist. You can imagine, 55:07 after therapy, the cigarette tastes 55:09 bitter, it's unpleasant. That's the 55:12 feeling that arises after the therapy. 55:15 You can see on YouTube that most people 55:17 who undergo therapy immediately find 55:20 cigarettes bitter, feel nauseous, vomit 55:22 , and so on. But this must be preceded 55:26 by a strong desire to quit and strong 55:29 motivation. If not, even if you keep 55:31 pressing acupressure points. It won't 55:35 work, because what matters is the 55:36 intention and motivation. So, once 55:38 again, any therapy to stop smoking, 55:41 including pharmacological therapy and 55:44 medications, must all. 55:46 Stem from the intention or desire of 55:48 the heart, then be assisted by therapy; 55:50 you can see more by searching for the 55:53 name Fuad Baraja on YouTube. 55:55 Right, this is from Ms. Melia at 88. My 56:00 husband is in the process of wanting to 56:02 quit smoking, but not entirely—he 56:05 wants to switch to vaping. Is the vapor 56:08 the same as cigarette smoke? What are 56:10 the health risks for him and those 56:12 around him? 56:13 I. 56:14 That was already answered, but could 56:15 you explain it again? 56:16 This will be a little bit different. 56:18 It's like this, ma'am. Vaping still 56:20 contains chemical substances inside. 56:24 Meaning, there are already too many 56:27 examples of people whose lungs have 56:29 been severely damaged because of vaping 56:31 . 56:32 So, imagine vaping involves chemical 56:35 substances, primarily nicotine. So 56:39 vaping has nicotine; it doesn't mean 56:41 it's free from nicotine. It still 56:42 contains nicotine because if there were 56:44 no nicotine, no one would smoke it. 56:45 Then it's mixed with what you call, uh. 56:51 Diethyl glycol with propylene glycol 56:54 with glycerin and all of that is mixed, 56:57 then heated using a special heating 57:00 system, and then it evaporates. Now, 57:03 when it evaporates, what is inhaled is 57:05 the vapor. That is the vapor created 57:07 from chemical ingredients. You can 57:09 imagine it, right? So if you want to 57:12 quit smoking, quit smoking altogether, 57:14 don't switch to vaping. That's jumping 57:17 out of the frying pan and into the fire 57:20 , you see. So once again, if the issue 57:22 is the difficulty of quitting smoking, 57:24 yes, quitting smoking is indeed 57:26 difficult. It means that quitting 57:28 smoking is hard, not easy. If quitting 57:30 smoking were as easy as starting, 57:32 almost everyone would have already quit 57:34 . Yes, it is difficult to quit because 57:37 the addiction to cigarettes is indeed 57:39 very strong. So once again, please find 57:42 your motivation. There is a common 57:46 example of motivation, for instance, 57:49 when someone gets married, their wife 57:51 gets pregnant, and then they are 57:54 advised by a doctor to quit smoking and 57:56 want to do so. This is also very good 57:59 motivation because, after all, it will 58:02 pose a danger to their wife's pregnancy 58:04 . So once again, or to the child their 58:07 wife is carrying. 58:08 Yes. So these kinds of motivations will 58:10 make it easier for someone to quit 58:12 smoking. The stronger the motivation, 58:14 the easier it is to quit. Yes, the 58:16 stronger the motivation and the 58:17 stronger the intent, the easier it is 58:19 to quit. 58:19 Okay, the next one is from Mrs. Ismi. 58:23 Peace be upon you. 58:24 And peace be upon you too. 58:25 How do I tell my elderly mother who 58:29 still smokes? She smokes hand-rolled 58:32 cigarettes with tobacco and rolling 58:33 paper. If I tell her, she gets angry. 58:38 She is very old and still smoking. That 58:41 is all because of addiction. Anyone who 58:43 smokes will become addicted. So if you 58:46 already smoke, you will become addicted 58:48 , so it is better not to smoke. It is 58:50 better not to try it. Do not try 58:51 smoking because you will become 58:53 addicted. If you are addicted, it will 58:55 be very difficult to quit these 58:56 cigarettes. So, just give her 58:59 motivation, motivate your mother. God 59:03 willing, God will grant her a good 59:07 ending. God willing, may she be granted 59:10 a good ending. Strive for a good 59:14 quality of life at the end. Don't let 59:18 her get sick because of smoking. 59:19 Meaning, hopefully, she is granted a 59:23 long life in good health. So, just keep 59:27 motivating and encouraging her; don't 59:29 get angry with her, as that would be 59:31 disrespectful to your parents. Just 59:34 motivate her, and if she has the desire 59:36 , she can be helped. If she says," I 59:39 want to quit, "I can help. But if she 59:41 still doesn't want to quit, I cannot 59:43 help yet. Because this therapy requires 59:45 the person themselves to have the 59:47 desire. If the desire doesn't come from 59:49 the person, it won't work. So, please, 59:52 keep motivating her. Once her 59:55 motivation arises and she wants to quit 59:57 , she can contact me. 59:59 Yes. And we have reached the end. Thank 1:00:04 you to those who have passed the 14- 1:00:06 minute mark. 1:00:07 Oh, I see. 1:00:08 What time are we closing? Let's go. 1:00:12 Until 30. 1:00:15 There is. Okay, if time is not limited, 1:00:18 we still have some. This is a question 1:00:21 from Mr. Mamad. Good afternoon, Mr. 1:00:24 Fuad. Is it true that menthol 1:00:26 cigarettes are much more dangerous than 1:00:28 regular cigarettes? I read some 1:00:30 articles that menthol cigarettes are 1:00:33 worse for the lungs. Yeah. Well, it 1:00:35 means if the article you read is, God 1:00:38 willing, based on evidence, that is, 1:00:40 evidence-based. So it is based on 1:00:42 existing data and proof, right? But the 1:00:45 clear thing is this, 1:00:46 cigarettes with aromas or flavorings, 1:00:49 you know, with all sorts of flavors— 1:00:51 this flavor, that flavor—those are 1:00:54 harder to quit. 1:00:55 Yeah. 1:00:56 Because there are two things here: the 1:00:58 addiction and the flavor itself. So it 1:01:01 makes what? It makes people more 1:01:04 obsessed with that flavor. So it is 1:01:08 indeed a bit harder to leave them 1:01:09 behind. But that they are more 1:01:11 dangerous is indeed a fact. So there 1:01:13 are indeed things that make—from 1:01:16 those mixtures, from the menthol or any 1:01:19 other mixture—they can arguably make 1:01:23 things worse for the lungs later on. So 1:01:26 , and it is harder to quit for people 1:01:29 who smoke cigarettes that have flavors. 1:01:33 So 1:01:34 I am not saying you should smoke the 1:01:36 ones without flavors; just quitting is 1:01:37 better. Quitting, quitting smoking is 1:01:39 definitely better. Yes. 1:01:42 How about from Ms. Retno, Mr. Fuad? The 1:01:45 government should create an official 1:01:48 agency that provides education and 1:01:50 rehabilitation not only for drugs, but 1:01:53 also for cigarettes. What do you 1:01:56 think? Okay, it needs to be explained 1:01:58 that cigarettes are actually already 1:01:59 classified as drugs. All this time, 1:02:01 what we know as drugs—marijuana, 1:02:04 various things—" nar-ko-ba, "" nar " 1:02:06 stands for narcotics." Ko "stands for 1:02:09 psychotropics, and" ba "stands for 1:02:11 other addictive substances. So, this 1:02:14 includes, the" ba "part, the" other 1:02:17 addictive substances "referred to are 1:02:20 nicotine and alcohol. So nicotine and 1:02:24 alcohol are included as drugs. The only 1:02:27 difference is that people treat 1:02:28 cigarettes as if they are something 1:02:30 trivial." Ah, cigarettes are easy, just 1:02:32 like this, like that. "No. Cigarettes 1:02:34 are included as drugs. That is why it 1:02:36 is hard for many to quit smoking. I 1:02:38 have had 19 patients who told me—I 1:02:41 wrote it in my notes—19 people told 1:02:44 me," Sir, I used to be a drug user, but 1:02:47 I could quit all of that without 1:02:49 therapy, without anything, but I can't 1:02:52 with cigarettes. "" That's why I came, 1:02:54 please help me to stop smoking. " 1:02:56 Yeah. 1:02:56 So quitting smoking is indeed difficult 1:02:58 . So I say this to, what shall I say? 1:03:01 To make you think twice if you want to 1:03:04 start smoking—don't. Because if you 1:03:06 are already addicted, it is hard to 1:03:08 quit. So it is better not to start. 1:03:11 Yes. Here is an experience from a 1:03:14 father, perhaps, there is no name. Mr. 1:03:18 Fuad. I once tried to just smell the 1:03:22 cigarettes I bought without lighting 1:03:26 them at all. I kept smelling it until I 1:03:29 was told," You must be crazy. "But as 1:03:31 it turns out, after finishing six packs 1:03:33 without lighting them, just by smelling 1:03:36 them, I was able to stop. How do you 1:03:39 explain this? I'm confused. 1:03:42 Yeah, yeah. This is actually, well, let 1:03:45 me explain about quitting smoking first 1:03:48 . 1:03:49 Now, we're straying from our focus, 1:03:51 from the conversation. But that's okay, 1:03:53 when else would we get to talk like 1:03:55 this. 1:03:55 Yes. Quitting smoking is simply when 1:03:59 someone can endure not consuming 1:04:02 nicotine. So, for example, what was 1:04:04 your name again, sir? What's your name? 1:04:07 So, let's say, for example, you and I 1:04:11 are on a ship and the ship sinks. 1:04:14 We swim to an island. On that island, 1:04:17 there is plenty of food and drink, but 1:04:19 no cigarettes. If we stay there for 3 1:04:21 months, there are no cigarettes. That 1:04:23 means we're not smoking, right. Because 1:04:25 we aren't smoking, the effect of 1:04:28 nicotine in our brains will gradually 1:04:31 disappear within a month. So, if we can 1:04:35 just endure it, just keep not smoking, 1:04:38 the nicotine effect will fade away. But 1:04:41 if later after a while you smoke again, 1:04:44 you start back up, then you can't stop 1:04:46 again. So if we can endure it, truly 1:04:50 endure not smoking, not putting 1:04:53 nicotine into our bodies for one month, 1:04:56 it will disappear on its own. That 1:05:00 applies to any addiction, actually. But 1:05:03 with cigarettes specifically, because 1:05:06 they are a legal product, they seem to 1:05:09 be ignored, as if it's no big deal. 1:05:13 Whereas, using your logic earlier, when 1:05:15 you were smelling those cigarettes, 1:05:18 what was your goal? To quit. By 1:05:22 smelling them, you then felt satisfied, 1:05:25 or perhaps by what... 1:05:28 by the scent itself. 1:05:29 You were able to hold out mainly 1:05:30 because you already wanted to quit. 1:05:32 Then your motivation was also likely 1:05:35 strong, so when you were smelling them, 1:05:38 a rejection occurred, maybe not a 1:05:40 contraction, but a rejection in your 1:05:42 brain, allowing you to endure for that 1:05:45 three-month period. And that is 1:05:47 automatic; the desire to smoke will 1:05:49 surely fade gradually because the 1:05:52 effect of nicotine in our brains will 1:05:54 also disappear. When the effect of 1:05:56 nicotine in the brain is gone, that's 1:05:57 it, we don't want to smoke anymore. The 1:06:00 problem is, the difficulty in quitting 1:06:02 smoking is partly due to cigarette 1:06:05 advertisements everywhere. So those of 1:06:08 us who want to quit see cigarette ads 1:06:10 again. We want to quit, then we go 1:06:13 somewhere and smell cigarette smoke 1:06:15 everywhere. So it is indeed very 1:06:17 difficult for people who want to quit 1:06:19 smoking when they are in an area where 1:06:22 smoking is still allowed and so on. Yes 1:06:25 . Alright, once again, I will repeat 1:06:27 the number from earlier. In case any of 1:06:29 you missed it and didn't get a chance 1:06:31 to write it down. The phone number to 1:06:34 contact regarding the desire to quit 1:06:38 smoking is 08 11 86411 That's correct, 1:06:47 right? Okay, one more time. 1:06:48 081186 411. 1:06:55 If you call now, it can't be answered 1:06:57 because Mr. Fuad is currently on air. 1:07:00 Okay, let's summarize our discussion 1:07:02 regarding what to do if school children 1:07:05 smoke and are about to be expelled. The 1:07:08 solution is, yes. 1:07:10 So, to all Rasil TV viewers and Radio 1:07:14 Rasil listeners. What I am saying today 1:07:17 , I am not making this up. There have 1:07:20 been so many, more than 20 that I 1:07:22 recall, who have called me crying, 1:07:25 feeling very desperate, saying," Sir, 1:07:27 please help my child, they smoke and 1:07:30 are going to be expelled from school, 1:07:32 and so on and so forth. "There are so 1:07:34 many of these cases. So, I really hope 1:07:37 that for those of you working in the 1:07:40 field of education, once again, give 1:07:43 your students or our children their 1:07:46 rights. Their rights to what? First, to 1:07:48 be given complete and accurate 1:07:50 information about the issue of smoking. 1:07:54 Yes, provide it through people who are 1:07:55 actually experts in the field. Don't 1:07:57 just have a guidance counselor do it; a 1:08:00 counselor can explain it, sure. But 1:08:03 usually, students see counselors as 1:08:07 friends, so the impact or the effect on 1:08:12 their hearts is somewhat lacking. But 1:08:14 when it is explained by someone who is 1:08:16 truly an expert, 1:08:18 it will be explained in a way that is 1:08:21 more impactful, making it sink in and 1:08:24 creating a genuine desire to quit 1:08:26 smoking. Anyway, as I said before, give 1:08:29 them their right to receive complete 1:08:31 and correct information. Then give them 1:08:34 the right to receive therapeutic help. 1:08:38 For example, if they are a smoker, 1:08:40 provide an explanation, offer 1:08:43 therapeutic help, and then keep them 1:08:45 away from—give them a good example. A 1:08:49 good example, that is, the example of 1:08:50 not smoking. It shouldn't be that they 1:08:52 want to quit smoking, but then it turns 1:08:53 out the teachers are still smoking, the 1:08:55 principal smokes, or maybe the gardener 1:08:57 at the school is still smoking. That is 1:08:59 not allowed. Smoking is not allowed. 1:09:00 Schools, educational institutions, and 1:09:04 health facilities are totally 1:09:07 smoke-free zones for everyone. No 1:09:10 selling, no buying, no smoking, no 1:09:15 advertising allowed. It is a totally 1:09:18 smoke-free zone. So once again, grant 1:09:21 them these rights. So if you really 1:09:23 want your children not to smoke, do not 1:09:26 be permissive toward the tobacco 1:09:28 industry. One more thing, never accept, 1:09:30 never accept sponsorship from the 1:09:33 tobacco industry in the form of 1:09:36 basketball courts. Not in the form of 1:09:39 soccer fields, or any other field. 1:09:42 Never accept them because they will put 1:09:43 up their signs there. For example, on 1:09:46 the basketball court, on the backboard, 1:09:48 they will write their brand, the 1:09:50 cigarette brand. This will become an 1:09:52 advertisement for them, causing our 1:09:54 children to end up smoking later on. So 1:09:56 , uh, this is very, very, very not good 1:10:00 at all if schools, uh, accept donations 1:10:03 —in quotes," donations "—in the 1:10:07 form of, uh, basketball courts, soccer 1:10:10 fields, libraries, or any rooms built 1:10:14 by the tobacco industry, which will 1:10:17 eventually, uh, mean these rooms were 1:10:20 built by, uh, some cigarette brand 1:10:24 factory, you know. So that, that has a 1:10:26 very, very bad effect, yes. Because, in 1:10:29 any case, it will be embedded in these 1:10:30 children's brains that, uh, this was a 1:10:32 gift. So, once again, to those of you 1:10:35 who are principals, teachers, school 1:10:38 counselors, or regular teachers, help 1:10:41 our children stay protected. Those who 1:10:44 don't smoke should be protected from 1:10:47 exposure to advertisements, exposure to 1:10:49 , uh, smoking behavior, and so on, so 1:10:52 that they don't get, uh, to see those 1:10:55 things, don't see people smoking, and 1:10:57 so on. Then, uh, so they can get, uh, 1:11:01 their learning can be more focused when 1:11:04 they don't smoke. So, don't let them 1:11:08 start smoking. For school counselors, 1:11:11 you can do it heart-to-heart, okay. 1:11:13 Give them complete and accurate 1:11:15 information. Then provide assistance 1:11:18 for therapy and so on. So, once again, 1:11:20 I disagree if any, uh, schools or 1:11:23 school authorities expel students 1:11:25 caught smoking; I don't agree with that 1:11:28 . Unless, after being given help, given 1:11:31 understanding, given therapy assistance 1:11:33 , and given good examples, then go 1:11:35 ahead. If it reaches that final point, 1:11:37 I can't really say anything, if it's 1:11:39 already like that, yes. But they must 1:11:41 first be given things like good 1:11:43 examples and so on. 1:11:45 Masyaallah. Hopefully, today's 1:11:48 discussion touches the deepest 1:11:50 conscience of those of us listening, to 1:11:53 persuade the people around us to truly 1:11:56 be free from this smoking habit. 1:11:59 Because, as we heard earlier, Indonesia 1:12:02 is the third-place winner after India 1:12:05 and China for, uh, cigarette users. If 1:12:08 you say third place, that's not quite 1:12:09 right either. 1:12:09 Oh, still wrong too. 1:12:10 Why is it like this? Because we are 1:12:12 third place in terms of the number of 1:12:13 smokers. The number of smokers is third 1:12:16 , like that. Because India's population 1:12:19 is five times our total. 1:12:22 A lot. 1:12:23 Okay. 1:12:24 But if you look at the, uh, prevalence 1:12:25 —that is, the number of smokers 1:12:27 compared to the total population—we 1:12:28 are number one. 1:12:30 So we are number one here, yes. 1:12:31 We are number one, if looked at that 1:12:32 way, yes. What's clear is what we just 1:12:36 heard from Fuad Baraja. He is, uh, from 1:12:40 the National Commission on Tobacco 1:12:43 Control, 1:12:43 a member of the National Commission. 1:12:44 Yeah. A member of the National 1:12:46 Commission on Tobacco Control in the 1:12:48 field of education and community 1:12:50 empowerment. Hopefully, on another 1:12:52 occasion, he will be willing to come 1:12:54 back to our health space so that more 1:12:57 people are persuaded to care. Yeah, 1:13:00 earlier many girls said," Well, if 1:13:01 that's the case, if my boyfriend smokes 1:13:03 , I just won't have him. "" That's so 1:13:05 cool. "Yeah. 1:13:06 Alright, once again, thank you. Billahi 1:13:08 taufik wal hidayah. Wasalamualaikum 1:13:10 warahmatullahi wabarakatuh. 1:13:11 Waalaikumsalam warahmatullah. 
