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- Braille In the name of Allah, the Most
- Gracious, the Most Merciful. Peace be
- upon you, and Allah's mercy and
- blessings, brothers and sisters beloved
- by Allah the Almighty. I hope today
- finds you in much better condition, not
- just physically but also emotionally. I
- hope our time together in this health
- space will make us more prepared to
- face anything that might affect our
- well-being. And for this afternoon, I
- hope the discussion will be very, very
- helpful. Of course, we also send our
- prayers and peace to our prophet, the
- beloved of the ummah, Muhammad, may
- Allah bless him and grant him peace,
- along with his family and kin. For this
- afternoon, brothers and sisters, we
- have a guest who was here—when was it
- ? It’s been a while, but she is
- warmly known as Dr. Iis. Her full name
- is Dr. Taskuru Rizka, an internal
- medicine specialist. She is from Mersi,
- and if any of our family members happen
- to have health issues related to what
- we will discuss, I hope we can use this
- as a guide for everyone at home. Let's
- greet her. Peace be upon you, and
- Allah's mercy and blessings, Dr. Iis.
- And upon you be peace, and Allah's
- mercy and blessings, Mrs. Nuning.
- Thank you for joining us in our health
- space. And as we discussed yesterday,
- fasting is coming up very soon.
- Now, Ramadan is surely a significant
- event for us all. Especially in the
- field of health. What if there are
- family members who need to know how to
- fast? Now, specifically for today,
- regarding Ramadan—a safe and healthy
- Ramadan fast for whom is our discussion
- ?
- Specifically for diabetes patients,
- Mrs. Nuning. Because as we know, for
- diabetes...there are certain risks if a
- diabetes patient fasts, especially
- since they use medications that lower
- their blood sugar levels daily. So,
- imagine, they are fasting, not eating,
- and still taking their diabetes
- medications. Now, that can actually
- cause side effects, consequences that
- can occur if not well-prepared ahead of
- Ramadan fasting. Yes.
- The effect could be that their blood
- sugar drops significantly, right?
- Okay, brothers and sisters. Our
- specific topic is how the fast we are
- about to observe can be safe and
- healthy for diabetes patients. Okay,
- please go ahead, Dr. Iis.
- Well, thank you, Mrs. Nuning, for the
- opportunity. Perhaps I will share a few
- slides to make it easier to explain.
- With both audio and visual, it is
- studied that people receive information
- better that way.
- Okay. Right. Excuse me, I haven't been
- enabled to share my screen yet, Mrs.
- Nuning.
- Could I get some help so I can share my
- screen? Maybe make me a co-host? Yes,
- yes, yes.
- Right. It has been clicked. Please
- proceed.
- Oh, right. Okay. Can you see the slide
- now?
- Ramadan Mubarak. Yes.
- Yes. As Mrs. Nuning said, the fasting
- month comes only once a year. So, it is
- highly anticipated. Who doesn't miss
- Ramadan? When Ramadan is approaching,
- you're bound to think, "Oh, Ramadan is
- almost here." Like that. Surely, people
- prepare themselves to be able to
- observe the Ramadan fast better. So
- they can fast for the full 30 days and
- perform worship as best as possible
- during Ramadan. Now, this time I will
- discuss some tips—well, not exactly
- tips, but a bit of knowledge and maybe
- some tips and tricks for diabetes
- mellitus patients who will be fasting.
- Yes. So here is the guide for Ramadan
- fasting for type 2 DM patients. Yes.
- Well, we know that Ramadan fasting is
- one of the five pillars of Islam, an
- obligation for all Muslims who have
- reached puberty, and it is a time for
- reflection and drawing closer to God as
- commanded in the Quran. Everyone surely
- knows this verse, Surah Al-Baqarah
- verse 183. Which means, O you who have
- believed, fasting is prescribed for you
- as it was prescribed for those before
- you, that you may become righteous. But
- it turns out that the following verse
- explains that whoever is ill or on a
- journey, then he should fast a like
- number of other days. Allah intends for
- you ease and does not intend for you
- hardship, and wants you to complete the
- period and to glorify Allah for that to
- which He has guided you, and perhaps
- you will be grateful. Yes, so whoever
- is sick may skip fasting, but they must
- make up for it later or pay fidyah, and
- so on. He
- yes. So, what exactly is diabetes?
- Perhaps not everyone knows what
- diabetes is. Although some people
- already know. It is more popularly
- known in society as "sweet urine"
- disease. So, this sweet urine condition
- is when the blood sugar level in the
- blood is high. Why is the blood sugar
- in the blood high? Because there is
- damage to an organ called the pancreas.
- Beside our liver, behind the stomach,
- there is an organ called the pancreas.
- Now, this pancreas
- produces insulin. In diabetes, this
- insulin is not released because the
- pancreas is damaged, or sometimes it
- has become resistant to the existing
- insulin. So, the insulin exists but
- cannot enter the cells to help break
- down the blood sugar. It can't do that.
- So, that is what causes diabetes. This
- is the pancreas organ. Its projection
- is more or less behind the stomach,
- below the liver. This is the liver,
- this is the intestine. It is located
- somewhat in the middle.
- Well, when we fast, the sugar in our
- body is low because we aren't eating.
- Then, if there's little sugar in the
- body, naturally less insulin is
- released, because insulin is released
- when we eat. Since there is less
- insulin, our body makes an adaptation,
- what you might call an adaptation. In
- the body, it breaks down the sugar
- reserves stored in the liver. For
- patients with diabetes mellitus, if
- this keeps happening, it's not just the
- sugar in the liver that gets released,
- but fatty acids are also released from
- adipose tissue, leading to fatty acid
- oxidation and the formation of ketone
- bodies. These ketone bodies can be
- dangerous for people with diabetes who
- are fasting. For healthy patients,
- there isn't really a risk like this.
- With a high level of ketone bodies, the
- patient can become weak, dehydrated,
- and even lose consciousness because the
- blood becomes acidic. This is because
- it's an oxidation of fatty acids. Also,
- when fasting, as I mentioned, glucagon
- levels rise, and catecholamines also
- rise. Now, glucagon is a hormone
- located in the liver. If the sugar in
- the blood is already low, what does it
- do? It produces and breaks down
- glycogen, the sugar reserves stored in
- the liver. So, the effect can actually
- be that if blood sugar is broken down
- continuously because the body's
- metabolism is already erratic. In the
- end, it's broken down constantly, so
- the blood sugar levels become high. So,
- in diabetics, blood sugar can actually
- get too high when fasting. The body can
- also become too acidic. It can also
- happen that because they fast, eat
- suhoor, and take medication without
- knowing the rules, the blood sugar
- becomes extremely low until the patient
- becomes weak. So, it's like a
- double-edged sword. It can drop, but it
- can also spike to very high levels. So,
- there are risks of hypoglycemia,
- hyperglycemia, and ketoacidosis, as
- mentioned before, because the body is
- stimulated to constantly break down the
- sugar from the liver. As a result,
- blood sugar levels rise, and fatty
- acids from fat reserves are broken down
- to form ketone bodies, leading to
- ketoacidosis. Also, dehydration can
- occur if blood sugar levels are too
- high. Because high blood sugar tends to
- draw out fluids, causing our cells to
- become dehydrated. This leads to
- dehydration and thrombosis, where such
- conditions make it easier for clots to
- form. We know that sometimes diabetes
- patients don't just have diabetes, they
- have other complications like a stroke,
- or a history of stroke but can still
- walk, or perhaps a history of heart
- disease as well. Now, this is actually
- very risky for, uh, fasting, as it
- could lead to thrombosis or the risk of
- new blockages during the fast. Right.
- So, here it is. For example, if I have
- a diabetes mellitus patient one month
- before, uh, the fasting month of
- Ramadan, like now. This month of March
- is when I have to remind my patients
- again. Right.
- Uh, whether if they fast, the risk is
- very high, high, moderate, or low? What
- is considered a very high risk? If, for
- example, they’ve had their blood
- sugar drop, hypoglycemia, in the last 3
- months and it happened repeatedly, or
- their blood sugar is still not
- well-controlled, still at 300 or, uh,
- 250 and above. That is a very high risk
- . Type 1 diabetes mellitus as well.
- Type 1 diabetes mellitus means they no
- longer produce insulin and must have
- insulin added from the outside. This
- case is indeed rare. Then, acute
- illness, for example, a recent heart
- attack, that is actually a very high
- risk, or heavy physical labor,
- pregnancy, or patients on dialysis—
- these are very high risks. For high
- risk, the average blood sugar is still
- 150 to 300. Their HbA1c, if tested,
- might be 7.5 to 9. They have kidney
- failure but are not yet on dialysis.
- Then they have other complications, for
- example, coronary heart disease, a
- history of stroke, or perhaps glaucoma.
- Then, an elderly person living alone
- who takes insulin or sulfonylurea-type
- medications, which I will explain later
- . Uh, this is also considered very high
- risk. High risk, I mean. Moderate risk
- is diabetes controlled with
- glinide-class medications.
- Glinide-class medications, as it
- happens, aren't available in Indonesia.
- So far, I have never encountered those
- medications. Right.
- Now, low risk is if they are healthy,
- their blood sugar is controlled, and
- they only use these medications. For
- example, metformin, acarbose,
- pioglitazone. Or medications that end
- in "gliptin". Now, these are actually
- low risk and are allowed to fast. So,
- we must pay attention because sometimes
- every patient is different. For example
- , even if they live alone, but the
- person is very careful and can, uh,
- monitor their blood sugar, or they have
- a device at home to check their blood
- sugar levels themselves. You know,
- diabetes patients usually have that
- tool to check blood sugar at home. Now,
- this is glycemic monitoring. It's even
- better if you have a device to check
- your blood sugar. For instance, if they
- are fasting and suddenly at 3:00 PM
- they feel weak or have a stomach ache.
- That could be a sign of hyperglycemia,
- where blood sugar is too high, causing
- stomach pain or discomfort, or even
- heart palpitations and cold sweats. Or,
- it could mean their blood sugar is too
- low. That's why it's best for diabetes
- patients to have a blood sugar
- monitoring device at home. Regarding
- nutrition, there's a tendency during
- the fasting month for people to go
- overboard with food during iftar.
- Diabetes patients, inevitably, also get
- tempted. For example, there might be
- fruit cocktails or fried snacks at home
- . This is what needs to be understood;
- diabetes patients must be reminded to
- try to eat as they normally would,
- without overdoing it, because the
- tendency is to eat too much when
- breaking the fast. This is what
- patients or Rasil listeners with
- diabetes need to be reminded of: try to
- keep your iftar meal similar to your
- meals before fasting. As for physical
- activity, heavy exercise or strenuous
- hobbies should probably be limited.
- Daily heavy activities may also need to
- be restricted. If you were very active
- from morning to evening, you should
- scale it back, perhaps by resting in
- the morning and limiting your afternoon
- activity hours. Like at 4:30. That is
- important for diabetes patients. If
- symptoms like heart palpitations, cold
- sweats, or weakness occur, you must
- stop fasting. We shouldn't let fasting
- put our health at risk. Usually, when
- blood sugar drops below 60, patients
- feel very weak and unable to do
- anything. Yes. Then, heart palpitations
- , dizziness, and cold sweats are the
- most common symptoms. Those are the
- most frequent signs. Or if you have a
- device and check at 10:00 AM, and find
- your blood sugar is already very low.
- You must also stop fasting then, or if
- your blood sugar levels are too high,
- over 300. As I mentioned before, if
- blood sugar is too high, the blood
- tends to absorb fluids. So, our cells
- will become dehydrated. That creates a
- risk of blockages, especially in
- patients who already have pre-existing
- conditions. Furthermore, if a diabetes
- patient suddenly falls ill, it's best
- not to continue fasting. Because when
- we are sick, our blood sugar tends to
- be higher than normal due to stress in
- our bodies, yes. Perhaps this will be
- clearer here, listeners, you might be
- able to see it here, regarding the most
- common medications for diabetes
- patients. If we want to treat type 2
- diabetes patients, the number one
- choice is definitely this, especially
- if the patient is obese, metformin.
- If it is three times a day, it means at
- suhoor, take one-third of a tablet, yes
- . Then 1000 mg at iftar, take
- two-thirds of the medication at iftar
- like that. Now, these are medications
- that are also often used, especially at
- community health centers, numbers one,
- two, and four are the most commonly
- used. Sometimes this is still here, you
- can see, glibenclamide. Who is still
- often using glibenclamide? Usually,
- community health centers still often
- provide glibenclamide or glimepiride,
- or sometimes gliclazide, which is quite
- rare, or gliquidone.
- Now, those who have the medication
- should immediately check the name of
- the drug before fasting, yes. So, if it
- is glibenclamide or glimepiride, it is
- generally given once a day. This is the
- medication known as sulfonylurea. So
- this medication stimulates the release
- of insulin. As mentioned earlier, if
- the pancreas is damaged, insulin cannot
- be released, right. Now, here are
- examples of the medication.
- Glibenclamide or glimepiride are
- usually given in the morning, yes, in
- the morning. Since it is once a day, it
- shifts to iftar time. Glibenclamide and
- glimepiride are taken at the time of
- breaking the fast. For gliclazide, it
- is usually taken twice a day. So, it is
- taken in the morning, right, and it is
- 80 mg. So in the morning, perhaps just
- half, which is 40 mg. Then at iftar, it
- remains 80 mg. Gliquidone is the same.
- It can be taken two to three times; at
- iftar, the dose remains 30 mg. During
- suhoor, it is reduced to 15 mg. Now,
- for this one, it is called Glucobay or
- acarbose. Acarbose does not need to be
- adjusted when taking this medication.
- Take it at suhoor and take it at iftar.
- But at noon, it is not taken if the
- prescription is three times a day. This
- one is called pioglitazone, Actos, or
- Deculin. There are many brands, and it
- is also taken once a day at the time of
- breaking the fast. I forgot to write
- this down, it seems, below this. Now,
- these are medications that might be
- somewhat rare, somewhat rare for
- diabetes patients to use, especially
- this one, Forxiga, it is a new drug. Or
- drugs that have "gliptins" in them,
- like linagliptin or sitagliptin, those
- are examples of the medication. These
- don't need their dosages adjusted. So,
- if the patient takes them twice a day,
- they can just take one at suhoor and
- one at iftar. No adjustment is
- necessary. Now, what about insulin?
- Well, there are various types of
- insulin. There’s insulin that’s
- injected three times a day with meals,
- and there’s insulin that’s injected
- at night. Here’s an example of
- insulin that is injected once a day at
- night. What if they usually inject
- insulin four times a day? So, the
- nighttime insulin is shifted up to the
- evening, around iftar time, and then
- that insulin is injected. Then, if they
- usually get fast-acting insulin in the
- morning, afternoon, and evening...The
- dosage is cut down to half, half of the
- usual dose. Now, for the mix type, this
- insulin usually contains both types
- combined. Usually, we suggest
- temporarily switching to this other
- type during the fasting month. So, they
- use the long-acting one in the evening,
- and the short-acting one in the evening
- as well. Then at suhoor, they use the
- short-acting one, but the dose is
- reduced by half. Yes, it's roughly like
- that. I was looking into it yesterday,
- and it turns out that the famous hadith
- about fasting and health, "sumu tasihhu
- ," might be considered a weak hadith,
- perhaps we should ask an ustadz.
- We might need to ask later, but as it
- happens, when I was in internal
- medicine residency...
- my research was about...
- the effects of Ramadan fasting on
- cardiovascular health. And the results
- were good. So, by fasting during
- Ramadan, the quality of our blood
- vessels actually improves. That’s
- more or less the conclusion.
- Like that. But the downside is, after
- Ramadan, if you go back to your old
- habits, the improvements to your blood
- vessels disappear. It turns out that
- during Eid, people feast, so things
- usually go back to how they were. Yes.
- Yes. There are many, many studies on
- Ramadan fasting. It reduces
- inflammation, reduces, uh, what else?
- It improves blood vessels. Studies say
- that body weight on average tends to
- decrease. Lipids go down, blood
- pressure goes down, lipids like
- cholesterol and triglycerides decrease.
- So, regardless of whether that hadith
- is authentic or weak, research shows
- that fasting is indeed proven to be
- healthy.
- Yes, that’s more or less it, Mrs.
- Nuning. Maybe it would be better if we
- have a Q&A session later. I just wanted
- to provide a general overview. Thank
- you.
- Doctor, thank you so much for the
- information. Many questions have been
- asked, but let's give a chance to those
- who need to step out or take a short
- break. We will take a break first. We
- return to your room, brothers and
- sisters, discussing how diabetes can be
- managed while fasting during Ramadan,
- provided it follows what was just
- mentioned. Well, we await your calls or
- any WhatsApp messages sent via YouTube
- as well. We will be back after this
- break. [Break] Thank you for staying
- with Rasil for Islam the One, in the
- Health Room program with Dr. Iisas Guru
- Rizka, an internist from Mercy, who is
- discussing the safety of fasting for
- diabetes patients. Doc, may we continue
- with the questions, Doc?
- Okay.
- This one is from Liza Emilda who says,
- "Thank you very much, West Bekasi is
- tuning in." Barakallahu fikum, Rasil.
- May you continue to thrive until the
- end of days. To be clear, we will also
- address the questions that appear on
- YouTube later, friends. Then, from this
- servant of Allah via WhatsApp: Does
- diabetes medication always interfere
- with other aspects of health, so that
- one must strictly follow the doctor's
- orders? Thank you. Yes. Yes. So, if we
- have diabetes, we certainly must
- consult.
- With a doctor, someone who understands.
- For those whose condition isn't too
- severe, a general practitioner at a
- health center might be enough. Of
- course, if one is already using insulin
- , it requires a more specialized person
- to manage it. Now, if someone already
- has diabetes. Diabetes is a chronic,
- long-term disease that cannot be cured.
- It can be controlled. How do we control
- it? By managing diet, lifestyle, and
- exercise. We will eventually find the
- right formula. If possible, using
- minimal medication while still
- achieving the target blood sugar levels
- . Right.
- Exactly. So, if someone has diabetes
- and is diagnosed but decides not to
- take medication, their blood sugar will
- remain consistently high.
- If left untreated, it will lead to
- complications. We know that diabetes
- complications can affect everything
- from head to toe. That's correct. From
- strokes, for instance, or eyes—
- developing retinopathy causing blurry
- vision—to coronary heart disease.
- Also, in severe cases, patients often
- experience frequent stomach pain, which
- we call diabetic gastropathy, all the
- way to foot ulcers where poor blood
- flow can lead to worsening wounds. So,
- the understanding is that taking
- diabetes medication must be consistent
- because this disease cannot be cured.
- Many people often ask me, worriedly, "
- Doc, is it really okay if I have to
- take medication for life?" Well, it's
- not a problem because that's what
- dosage is for. There are levels that
- are considered safe for human
- consumption. That's why you need to
- consult first. For example, don't take
- Metformin four times a day or more than
- 1000 mg. That would certainly be wrong.
- If you do that, your kidneys could
- actually get damaged from taking the
- medication. But when it's taken
- according to the correct dosage and
- instructions, it won't damage your
- kidneys or anything else. In fact, if
- you don't control it with medication,
- it can cause the complications I
- mentioned earlier, causing damage from
- head to toe. Yes. Kidneys, kidney
- failure, dialysis. Because the most
- common causes of coronary heart disease
- or kidney failure are often diabetes.
- So, if it's not treated, the long-term
- effects are catastrophic, leading to
- systemic damage. It happens gradually.
- That's why it must be controlled,
- ideally with the minimum effective
- dosage while keeping blood sugar
- well-managed. Alright, for those asking
- where to call, I will repeat it. Please
- call 021-845-151. But if you want to
- send a WhatsApp message, you can send
- it to 0811 three times. Then 999 also
- three times, and at the end 720. Okay,
- please go ahead. Someone earlier also
- asked about calling, feel free to do so
- . Now, a question from Purwakarta, Doc.
- From Mr. Dani. Is it okay for a
- diabetic to eat honey every day? Asking
- for a friend, Doc. Yes.
- Right. Basically, diabetes patients
- must eat. Don't think that someone with
- diabetes mellitus cannot eat rice; they
- actually must eat rice. We always
- remind patients of the "3J" rule. That
- is: eating schedule, quantity of food,
- and type of food. If you want to have
- honey, is it allowed? Yes, it is
- allowed. When can you have it? You can
- have it at breaking the fast, or at
- suhoor, that's fine.
- Because it basically comes down to the
- quantity of food. That quantity. Maybe
- your rice portion should only be the
- size of your fist, more or less. But
- not a full, overflowing fist, just a
- flat one. People usually refer to a
- level measuring spoon rather than a
- heaped one. Yes, that's it. Perhaps
- that's all the rice you should have.
- Then for the side dishes, for example,
- during suhoor, you could have fish and
- spinach. If you want honey because it
- contains sugar, then other things must
- be reduced. What should be reduced? The
- rice. Because the honey already
- contributes carbohydrates and sugar as
- well. So, it is allowed, sir. It's the
- same for breaking the fast. If you take
- a spoonful of honey, maybe the portion
- of rice, which was a handful...what do
- you call it? A handful. But if your
- hand is big, you shouldn't eat a whole
- big handful either. Maybe just a pinch,
- Doc, fingertips.
- A spoonful of rice, like that. A
- spoonful of rice, for instance, if your
- meal consists of fish, tempeh, and
- spinach, for example, at suhoor. Since
- you want to consume honey, you should
- skip the tempeh. You have to replace it
- because they are both essentially sugar
- .
- Uh-huh. That's allowed, yes. The same.
- So, for diabetes patients, you eat
- three times a day, sir. O'clock. 12:00
- PM, o'clock. At night. On regular days,
- not fasting, if you’ve already had
- breakfast, you shouldn't eat biscuits
- right after. If you want biscuits, have
- them at 10:00 AM. Or after lunch, if
- you see pudding and think it looks
- delicious. Well, you shouldn't eat
- pudding right after lunch. You should
- push it to the snack time at 3:00 PM.
- Like that. Right. For example, at 9:00
- PM, that's when you can have your milk.
- You shouldn't drink milk right after
- your dinner. No, because the sugar
- level will spike very quickly. So, you
- really must follow the 3J schedule for
- eating. So, breakfast, lunch, and a
- snack in between meals, right? When
- fasting, there are no snacks, just the
- evening meal, right? Yeah.
- Because during the fasting month,
- people tend to be active at night—
- there's Tarawih, breaking the fast,
- eating, then Isha prayer, and after
- that, some sleep and wake up again at
- midnight. Sometimes, people get tempted
- to eat after Tarawih or late at night
- during Qiyamulail, for example.
- Yes, just like that. That applies to
- the meal schedule and the types of food
- as well. So, as we discussed with rice,
- the issue is the type of food. Just
- like what you asked, if you've already
- had rice and want honey, you
- automatically have to sacrifice the
- rice, or maybe skip the tempeh, just
- having fish, vegetables, and rice. Also
- the amount of food, as I mentioned,
- maybe just one scoop of rice, one piece
- of fish, and one piece of tempeh. If
- the vegetable is spinach, you can have
- as much as you like, as much as the
- patient wants. But if the vegetable
- dish includes potatoes, squash, or
- jackfruit, you might need to reduce it
- because the glycemic index is higher.
- So, for example, if in the morning you
- want to have tea and bread, just have
- tea and bread; you shouldn't add
- anything else. You shouldn't add more,
- "Oh, I haven't eaten rice yet." Typical
- Indonesians, they say if they don't
- have rice, they haven't eaten. But then
- , they end up eating again. That is not
- allowed. Yeah.
- But that’s for when you're not
- fasting. So remember, the amount, type,
- and schedule of meals are the most
- important for diabetic patients.
- Yes. Hopefully, if there's someone at
- home with diabetes, we can tell them to
- say yes to this. Earlier I heard on
- Rasil that Doctor Iis said you can't do
- this or that. Wow, that's really cool.
- Okay, let's talk about Ramadan fasting,
- Doc. Yes, many have just said, "I tried
- fasting on Mondays and Thursdays, but
- honestly, after Asr, I get shaky." Does
- that mean I shouldn't continue, Doc? "
- Yes. Actually, if you are already shaky
- , have cold sweats, or feel weak, those
- are symptoms of hypoglycemia. Perhaps,
- Ma'am, you should re-examine how you
- are taking your diabetes medication.
- For example, if you normally take
- metformin three times a day, for suhoor
- you might only take one tablet. Then,
- have two tablets when breaking the fast
- . Perhaps, for instance, that's why I
- mentioned individualization earlier.
- Each person is different, so we can't
- always generalize. That's why
- being a doctor is called both science
- and art. So maybe, if around 4:00 PM
- after Asr you start getting shaky. Just
- try skipping your diabetes medication
- during suhoor when you are fasting. How
- is that? Is it good or not, or maybe
- what are you eating for suhoor? Because
- sometimes the mindset of a diabetic
- patient is," I'm not eating, Doc, "but
- that is actually wrong. Diabetic
- patients must eat because our bodies
- need energy. But they must adhere to
- the three things: type, schedule, and
- amount of food. If there are symptoms
- of shaking, cold sweats, or heart
- palpitations, it is best to break your
- fast, because those are signs that your
- blood sugar is dropping. A drop in
- blood sugar is actually more dangerous
- than having high blood sugar. Because
- if blood sugar is too high, it
- sometimes takes a day or two for a
- person's condition to worsen. But if a
- person is hypoglycemic, their blood
- sugar drops, it can be extremely
- dangerous within hours and even
- life-threatening, Ma'am. Yes, so you
- must be careful. It's even better if
- you have a blood sugar monitor. So when
- you are shaky, your blood sugar is
- below—yes. Already below
- 100, or below 70, you are obligated to
- break your fast. You shouldn't continue
- because, as I said, fasting is
- mandatory but there are exemptions for
- those who are truly unable. The
- difficulty is that, theoretically, if
- you're on insulin four times a day, you
- shouldn't be fasting. But Indonesian
- people are, uh, how should I put it?
- Their enthusiasm for fasting is very
- high, Mrs. Nuning. So, for me, to the
- patients,
- well, I understand that, so I don't
- forbid them from fasting, but I
- strictly emphasize how to use the
- insulin properly. So, ladies and
- gentlemen, brothers and sisters who
- have diabetes, this month is the time
- to consult your doctor about how to
- take your medication, especially
- insulin. Oral medication is easy, like
- glimepiride, which is most often taken
- in the evening. For metformin,
- one-third at suhoor and two-thirds at
- iftar, that's easy. But for those using
- insulin, you must consult again about
- the dosage, or perhaps you need a
- temporary change in the type of insulin
- , Mrs. Nuning.
- Regarding insulin, there is a question:
- since it's injected and doesn't go
- through the throat, it doesn't break
- the fast, right? Since it's not eaten,
- just injected. So, how do you explain
- this, Doctor? Insulin is a drug used to
- lower blood sugar, right? It is
- injected during suhoor.
- Like that. It's fine if it's injected
- during suhoor. Because insulin is a
- medication that, as I mentioned, maybe
- I'll try to show what it looks like so
- you can visualize it. So, insulin is
- not taken orally but injected. Here,
- this is an example of insulin. Now, if
- you open the cap, I forgot to take a
- picture of it yesterday. When the cap
- is opened,
- you open the cap here, and there is a
- needle right here. The needle is
- replaced every time you inject, or
- sometimes people change it once a day,
- like, used three times then replaced.
- There is a needle, so it’s impossible
- to put it down the throat because the
- medicine is absorbed through what layer
- ? The subcutaneous layer.
- Understood. Okay. Perhaps what is meant
- , Doctor, is that if insulin is
- injected, it doesn't break the fast,
- right? So, if you inject insulin while
- fasting, is it okay, or are you saying
- that would break the fast, Doctor?
- Oh. The insulin is injected at suhoor,
- before fasting begins. Yes. Actually,
- some inject four times, Doctor. For
- those who inject four times, that's why
- I said you must consult a doctor.
- Usually, if they inject four times,
- it's short-acting insulin, taken in the
- morning, afternoon, evening, and then
- before bed, right? So, those doses are
- shifted to the evening when breaking
- the fast. Just inject it, like 10 units
- for example. The doctor says, inject as
- usual, and this one could be, for
- example, 3 times 5, right? You get
- injected too, that's five, boom, five.
- That's right after we break our fast.
- So, actually it has nothing to do with
- it.
- During the day we're fasting, so Mrs.
- Nuning doesn't get injections then.
- She doesn't get injected three times a
- day, but for example, at sahur, the
- dose is usually 10 units. Now, because
- of the fast, it's injected at half the
- dose. So, for example, 5 units during
- sahur. So actually, the injections
- aren't given while fasting. As for
- people, I'm not sure, maybe this is
- more about sharia or fiqh.
- Whether it invalidates the fast or not,
- but after all, it's not injected while
- fasting, it's done at sahur and at
- iftar. More or less like that.
- Alright, a question from Banten from
- Ms. Sari. Doc, is amputation the only
- way to stop diabetes from spreading?
- Uh-huh.
- This happens very often. So, actually,
- when we face a problem with wounds in
- diabetic patients, number one, if the
- wound is already very bad, then, you
- know, there's an infection, for example
- , they have a fever, their leukocyte
- count is very high, then like it or not
- , it must be cleaned. Cleaned, but
- before being cleaned, it must of course
- be examined first. The examination
- usually involves an X-ray. An X-ray,
- what do you call it? If, for example,
- there is an infection that has reached
- the bone or what we call osteomyelitis,
- then of course it must be amputated. So
- not everything. We cannot generalize.
- Everything is like that. First, blood
- sugar control must be good. Then, how
- about the wound? Can the wound just be
- cleaned, or if the infection only
- reaches the muscles, it's usually just
- cleaned. If it has reached the bones,
- we have to amputate. Especially if it
- has become gangrenous, where it's
- already necrotic, then we really have
- to amputate. Then, we should also check
- the blood vessels, either with an
- ultrasound or, in big cities, an
- angiography; sometimes the problem
- isn't just an infected wound. Usually,
- sometimes the blood vessels are already
- bad or blocked in the legs. For cases
- that already have blockages, the blood
- vessels must be repaired. For example,
- by placing a stent. So placing a stent
- isn't just for the heart anymore
- because of advanced technology. So a
- stent can be placed in the small blood
- vessels in the legs if there is a
- blockage.
- And does the patient need specific
- medications to help ensure the blood
- vessels don't get worse? So every case
- is very individual. We must examine it.
- Not everyone with diabetic feet needs
- amputation; not everyone needs an
- examination or a vascular stent
- procedure. Not everyone needs to take
- medication for poor blood circulation
- in their feet, either. So, it is very
- much a case-by-case basis. Each case is
- truly very different. But, the number
- one priority is still to prevent foot
- wounds. That's why you shouldn't wear
- tight sandals, for example. In fact,
- you should try to wear sandals even
- when you are at home. Because sometimes
- the downside for diabetes patients is
- that they don't feel anything. They
- might step on something and get a wound
- without feeling it, only realizing it
- when it's bleeding due to nerve damage.
- It's pretty much like that.
- Right. Here is a question. Hopefully,
- this information from an anonymous
- sender is helpful." Doc, may I ask
- about my wound? I happen to be a
- diabetic who consumes fermented milk
- like yogurt. Surprisingly, why is it
- drying up, Doc? Even though I'm still
- taking my medication. Does fermented
- milk also have an effect on slowing
- down the spread of the wound? Thank you
- . "Yes.
- Oh, this is new knowledge for me.
- Honestly, I haven't read anything about
- whether fermented milk is actually
- beneficial for wounds. But honey has
- been proven effective for wound care
- and tissue regeneration. However, if
- it's about milk, I apologize
- that I haven't read about it. This is
- actually new information. Perhaps I
- will try to look into it first, Ma'am.
- I'll read up on it. Yes. Sometimes
- there really are many studies using
- what you might call new sources.
- Right. Because incidentally, milk is
- something healthy anyway. They try
- something like this,
- and the results are like that. This is
- interesting information. Okay, Doc.
- Moving on to Mr. Amir Zaki Mubarak, who
- asks," Can an insulin injection still
- be used if it hasn't been used for a
- long time and wasn't stored in the
- refrigerator? If it's not used, what is
- the safe way to dispose of it, Doc? "
- Oh, yes, that's correct. If it has been
- opened, it will go bad if it's not kept
- in the refrigerator. So, it can no
- longer be used. Regarding disposal, if
- it's just the insulin without the
- needle, you can throw it in regular
- trash. But we always remind you about
- the needles, saying," Ma'am, please
- collect your needles. "When you come to
- the hospital, bring them so they can be
- disposed of there, or take them to the
- local clinic for disposal. Because they
- are infectious, so they must be
- destroyed differently, not in a regular
- trash can, as they would be dangerous
- to others, of course.
- Exactly. Yes. So, if insulin has been
- unsealed and not stored in the
- refrigerator, it cannot be used. The
- refrigerator downstairs, not the
- freezer one, it's broken and can't be
- used, so it has to be thrown away.
- Alright, let's continue with this next
- one from Mrs. Sunarsih. Wait a second.
- Oh, no. Wait a moment, please. Mrs.
- Sunarsih is asking. Sorry, this is
- off-topic, Doctor. If one has a history
- of heart palpitations, is it safe to
- fast during Ramadan? Doctor?
- How was that, Ma'am? Sorry. Earlier.
- Having a history of palpitations.
- It’s breaking up. Oh, yes.
- Is it safe to fast or not?
- Are the heart palpitations due to
- diabetes or something else? Well,
- actually, if someone is fasting and
- experiences palpitations, it could be
- that it's diabetes, but their blood
- sugar is dropping.
- Palpitations are one of the, what is it
- ? One of the.
- Indications.
- Yes, an indication that blood sugar is
- dropping. However, if the palpitations
- are caused by other things, for example
- , most commonly in thyroid disease, the
- complaint is often palpitations. Then,
- another example is heart disease with
- rhythm disorders, that also causes
- palpitations as well. So, it must be
- investigated first, you see. Perhaps
- just consult a doctor:" I have
- complaints of palpitations, can I fast?
- "Usually, if it is indeed due to
- thyroid issues or heart rhythm problems
- , as long as routine medication is
- still taken, it should be fine to fast.
- Okay.
- Unless it's in an acute condition, for
- example, having a recent episode of
- palpitations where the heart rate
- reaches 200, so you've just been
- treated, then, of course, do not fast
- yet.
- Alright, let's go to Banyuwangi, Doctor
- . There is Ms. Pratvi who asks," Doctor
- , why can small children get diabetes
- now? "" Please enlighten me. "Yes.
- Yes, that's right. In small children,
- diabetes is usually type 1 diabetes
- mellitus. So they can't use regular
- medicine; they will use insulin because
- the damage is that their pancreas is no
- longer producing insulin. Then, there
- are also those in their teens or around
- 20 years old. So there is something
- called diabetes mellitus that is...LADA
- and MODY. I happen to forget the
- late-onset, I forgot the abbreviations,
- but essentially, it is indeed diabetes
- at a teenage age, or young age in the
- 20s or teens, that can happen. Uh-huh.
- It’s called LADA or MODY, it does
- exist, and it has factors related to
- genetic issues as well; there are more
- detailed examinations for that. But
- usually, for the young ones, it's a
- type of diabetes where the damage is
- from the pancreas not being able to
- produce insulin. So, indeed, the
- medication will be more toward insulin.
- Usually, we try medication and they
- don't respond, for example, those who
- are in their 20s and already have
- diabetes, they don't respond to
- medicine. Blood sugar levels keep
- spiking and only stabilize after
- insulin. For young children, for
- example, aged 3 or 4 years old. That is
- most likely type 1 diabetes mellitus.
- This really requires specialist
- treatment, yes. Perhaps you should
- consult a doctor first. If they want to
- fast, the risks are very high.
- Yes. Because for children, usually a
- pediatrician checks their blood sugar
- very often throughout the day.
- There may need to be stricter
- requirements because they are very
- dependent on insulin. The danger is
- that if they aren't given insulin,
- their blood sugar will be too high.
- Like I explained before, they can get
- dehydrated and ketone bodies can build
- up in the body. So our body becomes
- more acidic because lots of fatty acids
- are broken down from our fat tissues.
- It is very dangerous because
- ketoacidosis is life-threatening,
- really, life-threatening. So you need
- to consult further with the doctor who
- treats them daily, as they know the
- blood sugar patterns best.
- Okay, let's move on to a question many
- people might also have. If someone
- wants to marry, and my family has a
- history of diabetes from grandparents
- to my parents. If the future partner
- also has diabetes, is it dangerous, or
- should we find a partner with no
- diabetes at all? Please advise, Doctor.
- Yes, please go ahead.
- Yes, that's correct. Diabetes is indeed
- hereditary. If our parents have
- diabetes, the chance for their children
- to have it is also high. So, I will
- return this to the people who are
- getting married, Ms. Nuning. If you
- suddenly already...
- If you're already deeply in love, then
- no.
- If you already like each other, you
- wouldn't cancel it just because you
- both have diabetes, right? Perhaps I
- will return that to you. But it is true
- , if only one person has diabetes, the
- risk for the children is smaller. But
- if it's the grandparents, father, and
- mother...
- It's highly likely the children will
- have diabetes.
- Especially if the husband also carries
- the diabetes trait. It is very possible
- , very possible that their children...
- Maybe 70%chance of diabetes, that could
- happen. But there is a chance, since we
- don't know if they fall into the 25%
- bracket, right? But diabetes is a
- disease that can be controlled as long
- as the treatment is good. Good and,
- well...You also have to be diligent.
- Sometimes I have patients who have had
- diabetes for about 40 years, but
- because they are very diligent, even in
- their old age, at 70, I still consider
- it successful aging. So they are aging
- well, with, um, no obstacles, no wounds
- or anything. Because this patient truly
- understands what diabetes is like,
- takes medication, and happens to be
- able to check their own blood sugar at
- home. So actually, if you are diagnosed
- with diabetes, it’s not the end of
- everything, it’s not the end of
- everything. Yes, because it can be
- treated.
- Okay, I will head over to South
- Tangerang, Mr. Muhammad, monitor. Then
- also Ahmad Salim who asked for the
- phone number earlier, 845 1512, if you
- really want to call directly. And also
- in Cianjur, Mr. Sepi Juana, thank you
- for always listening to Rasil. And
- regarding Mr. Amir's question earlier
- about returning insulin or needles to
- the hospital because the patient has
- passed away, Ma'am, should the insulin
- and needles be returned to the hospital
- or thrown away, based on the previous
- question?
- Oh, right, if it's been a long time,
- just throw it away. If it's the needles
- , take them to the community health
- center or hospital so they can be
- incinerated. So the disposal of needles
- is different. It's specific. Uh-huh.
- Okay. Then the next question. Wait a
- minute. Eh, where was it? From Tegal.
- From Mas Anto. Is it true that someone
- with diabetes has to take medication
- for how long exactly? For their whole
- life, right? Yes. It’s for life;
- diabetes medication is taken for life
- because it doesn’t go away, it's just
- controlled. But usually, it can also
- happen that, for example, their blood
- sugar profile was very bad at the
- beginning. For instance, they initially
- used insulin, but by improving their
- lifestyle and diet, they might
- eventually only need to take oral
- medication. So yes, you have to take
- diabetes medication for life. Except,
- for example, in patients with kidney
- failure. Sometimes
- they initially used medication, but
- because they are on dialysis, their
- kidneys, which normally filter out the
- medication, are damaged. So the
- concentration of the medication stays
- in the body longer, or the insulin
- circulates longer because it isn't
- being filtered out by the kidneys. Now,
- in kidney failure patients, sometimes
- they can go from taking diabetes
- medication to not needing it. But for
- other patients, they will still need
- diabetes medication for their entire
- life. The important thing is the right
- dose, the right usage, so
- what people worry about is," Doc, I'm
- taking so much medication. "It's okay,
- it's okay. Because it already has its
- prescribed dose. That is the purpose of
- the dosage. If they don't take the
- medication, it's actually even more,
- what? It's just like what I said
- earlier, right? Complications appear
- silently. Suddenly you have a stroke,
- suddenly a heart attack. We just don't
- know. We might seem fine on the outside
- . That is exactly what we want to avoid
- . We must not let those complications
- happen. So, truly be a healthy diabetic
- . There are many healthy diabetics out
- there. So don't worry, as long as you
- consult the right person.
- Okay, before we summarize today's
- discussion, Doctor, there are greetings
- from Ms. Anggit Andayani. Grateful to
- be able to follow Rasil and also from
- the thumbs-up on YouTube. Okay, Doctor.
- We are at the end of the show, please
- summarize how it is safe for diabetics
- to fast. Provided that. Yes.
- Yes. Well, this month of fasting is the
- most awaited month. The month that we
- look forward to. For diabetics, of
- course, you need different preparations
- compared to normal people. Because we
- know fasting means we don't eat, we
- don't have blood sugar intake. Whereas
- we have a disorder in the organ that
- regulates blood sugar. So, to all the
- gentlemen, ladies, brothers, and
- sisters who are having their doctor
- check-up this month, if you have
- diabetes, please consult...Consult
- regarding how your treatment should be.
- Yes, I fully understand that in
- Indonesia, the spirit for fasting is
- very high. Even if it's said," Sir,
- it's high risk to fast, "people still
- want to fast because it's that one
- month in a year that we wait for. And
- that month is indeed our time for
- reflection and worship. So, I
- understand that. The point is, you must
- still maintain a healthy lifestyle.
- Then discuss the issues with your
- doctor this month on how to adjust your
- medication, and God willing, you can
- fast safely and comfortably, as long as
- your condition is healthy and you have
- followed the doctor's instructions. God
- willing, you can fast healthily, safely
- , and comfortably; don't be afraid. The
- important thing is to have had a
- discussion first. So, to be safer,
- adjust your medication dosage and
- timing so there are no mistakes, and so
- you don't miss our happy moment of
- worship during that month. Thank you,
- Ms. Nuning.
- Thank you, Dr. Iis, whose full name is
- Dr. Tas Guru Rizka, an internist from
- Mercy. Hopefully, through fasting,
- there will be improvements in
- inflammation, blood pressure,
- cholesterol, and triglycerides. Fasting
- truly has an extraordinary effect. It's
- clear that those listening and watching
- now know how diabetics can safely fast.
- Hopefully, it is beneficial. Once again
- , thank you, Dr. Iis. Hopefully, we can
- be together again next time. But before
- I leave this show, there is something I
- really want to convey regarding whether
- any of you have children or family
- members who want to memorize the Quran
- in one month? Is that even possible?
- And as it turns out, if you join the
- webinar on memorizing the Quran in one
- month, it will be filled by speakers
- Ustaz Husein Alhadad, Ustaz Husein
- Alatas, and also Dr. Munif Khatib at 10
- . 11:30 on the upcoming Sunday, March
- 6th. Yes, this upcoming Sunday, March
- 6th, from 10:00 until 11:30. Space is
- very limited, so as soon as possible,
- go ahead and register. You can note
- down the info. Please call 0812 2709
- 2907. Once again, 081227092907. Thank
- you once again, Dr. Iis. Regards to the
- family, and greetings to the friends at
- Mercy. We look forward together to the
- fasting month which will be here soon.
- Thank you. Billahi taufik wal hidayah.
- Wasalamualaikum warahmatullah
- wabarakatuh.