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0:08 Brail TV. 0:16 Peace be upon you, and Allah's mercy 0:18 and blessings. How are you, brother 0:20 Ihsanuddin Nursi? 0:22 And peace be upon you, and Allah's 0:24 mercy and blessings. Praise be to God. 0:26 A 0:27 rer. Oh my, the listeners were almost 0:29 disappointed, they said. Glory be to 0:32 God. 0:33 Glory be to God. 0:34 Glory be to God. Because this republic 0:36 still exists, it's not 2030 yet. I was 0:40 reading your book, *Prahara Bangsa*, 0:42 again this morning. Brother, 0:44 Brother. 0:45 Wow, this is an extraordinary book. 0:47 Listeners really must buy this. Yes, 0:49 the anomalies that are occurring. This 0:53 book was written in 2024 but analyzes 0:56 up to the year 2045, it seems. Previous 1:00 books include*Kita Belum Merdeka*(2008) 1:03 and*Selamat Datang di Negeri Amburadul* 1:05 . Now, this one here, and also*Ekonomi 1:09 Konstitusi*. There is also the second* 1:11 Selamat Datang di Negeri Amburadul*. 1:13 And also the next book, *Bangsa 1:16 Terbelah*. This book is very 1:18 enlightening, and these conditions keep 1:21 repeating. Now, what will happen 1:25 between 2035 and 2040 in this analysis? 1:30 A disintegration that cannot be called 1:33 impossible. Because Prabowo himself 1:37 mentioned it nine years ago, referring 1:40 to the novel*The Next World War*. About 1:44 how, in the story, by 2030, the Unitary 1:46 State of the Republic of Indonesia no 1:48 longer exists. Well, is it "Golden 1:52 Indonesia" or "Anxious Indonesia"? But 1:57 currently, indications like the 2:00 Indonesian population owning less land, 2:04 high debt, and the relatively high Gini 2:08 ratio—I'm not sure what it is now, 2:11 Brother. Our Gini ratio is around 0.3 2:16 or 0.4; what is the threshold for being 2:18 considered critical domestically, 2:20 Brother? Not to mention abroad. It 2:24 seems America itself is feeling 2:26 restless, with its people concerned 2:29 about the 59%rise in diesel prices. Due 2:33 to the Strait of...what is it, the 2:35 Strait of Hormuz? Or perhaps the " 2:37 Strait of Trump," I don't know. Also in 2:39 Indonesia. Perhaps Brother Ihsanuddin 2:43 Nursi can tell us more about this earth 2:45 that is currently struck by so many 2:47 disasters. What is the story behind 2:51 this, is it a sign, or what does it 2:53 mean when corruption makes us scratch 2:55 our heads? We also see the farce from 2:58 the Attorney General's Office; Febri 3:00 Ardiansyah's case seems to be getting 3:03 more intense. Please, Brother 3:05 Ihsanuddin Nursi, perhaps you can 3:06 provide some enlightenment for us all. 3:09 Please. 3:11 In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious 3:12 , the Most Merciful. Praise be to Allah 3:14 , Lord of the Worlds. Glory be to Allah 3:17 and His praise. There is no power and 3:20 no strength except with Allah. Uh, 3:25 firstly, we see these disasters. 3:31 Because the disasters are not only 3:32 happening in Indonesia, but also in 3:34 America itself. Hm. So if yesterday 3:39 someone said there were four volcanoes, 3:45 it turns out some have identified ten. 3:51 There are ten, occurring almost 3:52 simultaneously. Ten, in Manado, West 3:59 Sumatra, Yogyakarta, Jakarta, Lampung, 4:04 NTT, everywhere. They all show symptoms 4:13 as in our previous thesis, that natural 4:19 symptoms are the result of human 4:21 actions. Nature reacts. uh, there is 4:27 something wrong we did and nature 4:31 reacts, and we do not ask for 4:33 forgiveness, we do not apologize; in 4:37 other words, even when asked, we deny 4:40 it. Ah, 4:44 we just increase the disaster budget, 4:45 yes, not an appeal to repent, just 4:47 increasing the disaster budget. 4:52 And and interestingly, uh, some say 4:54 this is because of some engineering, 4:56 you know. 4:58 Whoa. 5:01 And that is what, if from from the era 5:04 of the story about the Aceh tsunami on 5:06 December 26, 2004, 5:09 it was called a natural phenomenon. 5:11 like that. 5:13 Ah, that and what is that? The face of 5:17 Indonesia that denies that every human 5:20 action always has an impact on 5:24 uh 5:24 on nature. Because surely, as we have 5:28 said, nature will definitely seek a new 5:30 balance from the actions humans take. 5:33 Yeah. 5:34 Now, that is what is called mizan. 5:38 Mizan. 5:39 Uh, now, if yesterday Anak Krakatau was 5:42 like that and we were already hit by a 5:45 major disaster. Imagine from from 5:49 Lampung to Jakarta, it even reached as 5:52 far as Bogor and all that. 5:54 Sukabumi. 5:55 Even to Sukabumi. That was 5:57 extraordinary. Indeed, in 1883 itself, 6:01 it reached that area. 6:03 Wow, way 6:04 India region, 6:05 reached far away like that. So if, uh, 6:11 I happened to have seen it, you know, 6:14 how, uh, lava and that descended from 6:17 there. 6:19 Yes. 6:20 Anak Krakatau. 6:21 Oh, 6:22 we were war-stricken and it was 6:23 terrifying. 6:24 Yeah. 6:24 It was extraordinary. 6:26 Uh. 6:27 Now, uh, uh, there's no there's no 6:30 other word except that we must 6:31 apologize, we seek forgiveness, and we 6:34 ask for mercy. And, uh, like the prayer 6:38 , uh, that this earth and its contents 6:41 return to being friendly with us again. 6:44 And that is only because of Allah's 6:46 decision. Oh, not a human decision. 6:50 There is no human decision that can 6:51 involve overcoming all of that, you 6:53 know. 6:53 Yeah. 6:54 Now, from there we must self-correct. 6:57 For me, I would invite all parties, uh, 7:00 as usual to reflect, uh, uh, 7:03 contemplate, apologize, seek 7:05 forgiveness, and ask that the contents 7:08 of, uh, this earth, uh, the earth with 7:11 its inhabitants, the earth with all its 7:15 powers, return to being friendly and be 7:18 pacified again by Allah Subhanahu wa 7:21 Taala. 7:23 Without that, we cannot do anything. Uh 7:26 , 7:27 without that, humans won't, and humans 7:29 will only scream in fear, seek 7:31 forgiveness, and then finally protect 7:33 themselves and also save themselves. Uh 7:37 , yes, Allah says that is part of what 7:39 is called mountains walking about. 7:42 Yes. Because if the sentence 7:45 yes, mountains walking about, yes, that 7:47 is, yes, this is mountains mountains 7:48 walking about, meaning its contents are 7:50 flying about; that is what it means, 7:51 not that the mountain is walking, but 7:53 its contents are flying about, that is 7:55 what "mountains walking about" means, 7:56 you see. 7:59 that understanding. Now, uh, while we 8:02 know, uh, I just heard from high school 8:05 kids now. 8:06 Yeah. 8:07 How the drug crisis and the LGBTQ 8:09 crisis are already so high. 8:12 Uh. So among high school students, the, 8:17 uh, drug situation and the LGBT 8:20 situation have already reached a peak 8:24 that is so dangerous 8:28 for this country, uh, and, uh, and this 8:35 clash of civilizations is perhaps clear 8:37 , it is part of the clash of 8:38 civilizations. Hm. 8:40 A clash of civilizations that is indeed 8:45 triggered by various things, including 8:47 our inability to overcome that clash of 8:49 civilizations to the point where we 8:51 deny various things. Again, humans do 8:54 like to argue, humans like to deny. 8:57 Well, but that is the impact, the 9:00 result. Now, this is what we are just 9:04 inventorying the mistakes first. Then 9:10 we see again how the policies that 9:13 emerge also remain not in construction. 9:20 The point is, the core is that, overall 9:24 , we are leaving—if we use political 9:27 language—we are betraying the spirit 9:31 of the republic's founders. If using 9:36 the language of the Qur'an, we are 9:38 given the Qur'an but we have turned our 9:40 backs on the Qur'an. Turned our backs 9:42 on the Qur'an. 9:44 Now, that is what we are facing right 9:46 now. There is no other way, indeed, but 9:50 to return. 9:51 There is no other way but to return. 9:54 For the Muslim community, which is said 9:56 to be the largest majority in the whole 9:58 world, it turns out the result, in the 10:00 position of being the largest majority, 10:02 the result is*masya Allah*, *la*, * 10:03 astaghfirullah*, *astaghfirullah*, * 10:05 astaghfirullah*. Eh, I don't know, I 10:11 myself am in a position of feeling 10:12 extreme anxiety seeing a situation like 10:14 this. We see, we meet people who are 10:22 like that, meeting officials as if we 10:24 don't have any major problems. Enjoying 10:28 the power, or enjoying authority, it's 10:31 business as usual that we see. 10:35 And if it's said that the Gini ratio is 10:37 increasing, well, that's certain 10:39 because the poor, or perhaps the 10:41 vulnerable poor, have increased, 10:44 plus the collapse of the lower-middle 10:47 class. 10:49 Then there are poverty indicators 10:51 circulating according to the World Bank 10:53 , 10:54 because we have risen to 10:56 middle-upper income. If we use 10:59 middle-upper income, the calculation is 11:01 no longer 1.9. 11:04 The calculation is no longer 2.9, the 11:05 calculation is already 6.9, it is 11:07 already a 7-dollar calculation. 11:09 Hm. 11:09 Like that. 11:10 Yes. 7 dollars per day. 11:12 This is if 7 dollars, 11:14 the data from 2 years ago, now it has 11:17 increased to 0.4, almost, yes. 11:21 Yes. If we take the Gini ratio, we say 11:26 the result is from the Gini ratio. 11:29 The figure is actually 0.42, right. Try 11:35 opening the interview with Rasil some 11:38 time ago, it moved between 0.38 to 0.42 11:41 . Like that. 11:45 If we look at it that way, 11:48 what's more, 11:50 the policies are indeed policies to 11:52 support the rich, where taxes are 11:54 multiplied only for the poor. The rich 11:57 people get tax amnesty. 11:59 Hm. Tax amnesty, the proof is that, Pot 12:03 and 12:04 Yes. 12:05 the Red and White bonds. Now, that is 12:07 that tax amnesty. 12:09 Even though the figure is 51.75 12:10 trillion that they got through that, 12:12 through 12:13 through the 12:16 Red and White bonds, through patriotic 12:18 bonds. Now, from all of that, we should 12:22 correct it like this, not instead of 12:25 now saying, "Wow, if we take this step, 12:29 stability will be disturbed." 12:33 Disturbed. Government stability will be 12:36 disturbed if we do this. If we do this, 12:38 it's actually government stability, you 12:40 know. Wait a minute, 12:41 it's the stability of the conglomerates 12:43 that is disturbed. 12:45 Yes. Just look at it. 12:48 Why is their thinking so short-sighted, 12:51 that political instability is caused 12:53 more by the government's own behavior, 12:56 that's how I see it. 12:59 He he. 12:59 For example, the protest regarding the 13:01 MB. 13:02 Hm. 13:02 Right? 13:03 Yes. 13:03 The protest regarding the MB has 13:05 reached 13:06 the point where it ended up like that. 13:08 The protest regarding the Red and White 13:09 cooperatives, for instance. 13:10 Yes. He 13:11 it has already reached that point. But 13:15 at the same time, for example, when we 13:18 say, "Let's fix it by taking the 13:21 straight path, by taking our bearings 13:24 from the spirit of the nation's 13:26 founders," for example. 13:29 Oh, no. That would be dangerous. We 13:32 would be going backward. Oh, a number 13:34 of figures are all making a fuss. We 13:36 would be going backward if we set up 13:38 the government based on the spirit of 13:40 the system of the nation's founders, 13:42 right? Isn't it funny, they don't see 13:45 the example right before their eyes 13:48 that America, which has—ah, imagine 13:51 — 13:51 yes 13:52 has 13:53 that, yeah 13:55 as broken as America is, its 13:57 constitution still works, right? As 14:01 broken as America is, the constitution 14:03 works, but at the same time we see that 14:05 for 500 years they have failed to 14:07 uplift human dignity as I said. 14:09 Hm. 14:11 That is visible. 14:12 Yes. until finally the government is 14:14 still like that. And finally people are 14:17 exposing how America is known to 14:19 support Israel with its funds, with its 14:21 military, it's visible. 14:24 Finally, there is a New York laboratory 14:26 with democratic social socialists, 14:28 right. 14:30 Yes. 14:31 A camouflaged laboratory. 14:35 The appearance, the appearance of Abu, 14:37 Abu, what's his name, Chigen. 14:39 Oh yes. He. 14:43 It reached that level. Now, and in the 14:46 commemoration, in the 25th anniversary 14:48 of the September 11th event, wow, 14:50 people feel, "What is this?" and 14:53 that is a picture 14:56 that what they are copying from America 14:58 , right, that does not show any success 15:01 . 15:03 And they keep copying it anyway. My 15:05 goodness. No, no. 15:07 Abu, Abu Sayyaf. 15:10 Oh, Abu Sayyaf. Yes. Yeah. Now, imagine 15:13 if, imagine if then people say, "These 15:16 people are making a fuss about Gibran's 15:18 diploma," for example, 15:21 don't, don't be so sensitive. 15:24 Then 15:25 try to imagine the vice presidents from 15:28 Hatta. From Hatta 15:30 from Hatta until, until the last one, 15:33 let's say, until 15:34 until the last one, Boediono, you know. 15:37 Heeh. Boediono 15:38 until Ma'ruf Amin. Correct. Okay. Until 15:40 Ma'ruf Amin 15:42 they had, not, not a proper legal 15:45 standing, but a proper personal 15:48 standing, they had a proper personal 15:51 position. 15:53 Then it was justified in such ways in 15:55 this context, it's ridiculous, and a 15:58 number of intellectuals justify it. 16:00 Just imagine, a young person said that 16:03 those who support are stupid, the 16:05 officials are stupid, those who support 16:07 are stupid, those supported are stupid, 16:10 until they called the structure stupid, 16:12 stupid, stupid, stupid. Well, this 16:14 nation is indeed stupid. Until finally 16:18 until finally, do you know what the 16:19 sentence is? That's what makes me 16:21 wonder about those billions, they say. 16:23 What do you think the motive is? Just 16:25 try to guess. 16:28 It’s supposed to be a reflection, 16:29 they say. It's a reflection that we are 16:32 being humiliated, you know. Even though 16:36 his father came, they say, to a peace 16:39 talk event in Penang and was welcomed 16:41 in such a way, my God, this information 16:44 war is incredible. 16:46 Hm. 16:47 And that incredible information war is 16:50 being echoed as a success. Now, if we 16:54 have reached a point where this nation 16:56 is experiencing a narrative war, an 16:58 information war, 17:00 then what is actually happening is a 17:02 clash of civilizations. 17:04 Hm. Exactly. 17:06 That is where leadership is needed. It 17:09 should be understood by the government. 17:12 So, if we realize the situation is 17:15 flooded with information, narrative 17:17 wars, and information wars, and it 17:19 fails to produce a mutual agreement. 17:24 Well, that means the clash of 17:25 civilizations is something those in the 17:27 system should really be looking at. 17:31 They should be looking at it more 17:33 clearly, 17:35 more calmly. Not by then showing off 17:39 with harsh words and all that, right? 17:43 There are those who use Javanese, 17:46 saying don't act smart, don't do this, 17:49 don't do that. Yes. So, yes, indeed, in 17:55 this country, people call it integrity, 17:59 it becomes something that is just 18:02 posted on office walls—state offices, 18:05 BPN, state-owned enterprises—but 18:08 integrity only becomes mere decoration. 18:13 Even with a salary increase, this 18:14 character doesn't change. What causes 18:16 this, Bang? Or is it really the system 18:20 that causes this, a failed education 18:25 system entirely. 18:26 Hm. 18:28 So, in one of my lectures, 18:32 Yeah. 18:33 I mentioned that since the Round Table 18:35 Conference (KMB), we have been 18:37 relentlessly attacked by an 18:38 individualist, materialist education 18:41 system, 18:42 based on usury. 18:43 Hm. 18:44 And we have been directly drawn into a 18:49 war. A war that legitimizes the seizure 18:53 of resources, the process, and the 18:55 output. That has been going on since 18:58 the KMB until now. And it became more 19:00 validated in the year...when the 19:03 Faculty of Economics... 19:06 had its curriculum directed by a number 19:09 of professors from Berkeley. 19:12 Yes. Hm. Yeah. 19:14 Then the military established a joint 19:17 school referring to the American format 19:20 . 19:21 Yeah. 19:23 So, up until now, that means we have 19:25 been affected by 19:28 that educational war, that clash of 19:29 civilizations, that subversion of 19:31 thinking has been going on for 70 years 19:33 . Now, that is what I call the success 19:35 of secularism. 19:36 My God. So, the door was opened at the 19:40 KMB, the foundation was built in '56. 19:44 The spatial planning was set up, 19:46 resulting in the damage we see today. 19:48 So, we have actually been for 70 years 19:51 ... 19:53 entering into a system that we don't 19:57 name, but we formulate as validating 20:00 secularism, validating liberalism, 20:03 pluralism with terms that... 20:07 are proud, you know, terms that make 20:11 academics proud. 20:13 Through human rights, through various 20:14 things, right? That is truly something 20:16 to be proud of, it seems. But the 20:17 result is what we have now. Then they 20:19 compare it with China, which... 20:22 has a population of 1.41 billion. 20:24 Yeah. 20:25 High computing power, 20:26 high creativity. 20:29 And when we witness how humanoid robots 20:33 are, you know, being tested to dance, 20:36 to run, to play tennis, we get confused 20:40 , right? Wow, robots can do that. Then 20:44 the conclusion drawn is that 20:46 authoritarianism brings progress. This 20:50 is confusing; why make connections like 20:54 that? How so, brother? Right? Uh, any 20:57 comments? 20:58 That's why. 21:00 That's why yesterday, during a 21:02 discussion, I mentioned, even when 21:05 watching the growth of, well, the 21:07 struggling little ones. Remember, I 21:10 gave it that title, right? I mentioned 21:14 how Deng Xiaoping in '92 already stated 21:17 , "Let us compete between mineral 21:19 resources," and in '92, the results... 21:23 I've been witnessing it since 2020, and 21:25 now it's like this. 21:27 30 years later, it serves as proof. " 21:29 Well, 21:29 that's a vision, right? 21:31 Yes. 21:31 That's a leader who has vision. Now, we 21:35 are talking about downstreaming; it 21:36 turns out the content of downstreaming 21:38 has never really been dissected. Does 21:42 the content of downstreaming really 21:44 favor Indonesia or not? For example, 21:46 let's say someone, 21:48 there's a president who says," Wow, we 21:50 succeeded with downstreaming. "Well, 21:52 try to dissect it properly first, what 21:54 downstreaming is. The guts. 21:56 The guts of it. But it's funny, it 21:58 really is funny, brother, that we feel 22:00 allergic to looking at an example of a 22:02 country that is currently entering a 22:04 world laboratory that could change the 22:06 world's constellation, compared to our 22:08 country, which is supposedly based on 22:10 the One Supreme God and has the largest 22:12 Muslim population in the world. Iran is 22:17 a portrait that triggers allergies, yet 22:19 amidst its progress, Iran is facing a 22:21 field test right now. What do you think 22:24 , brother? Look, 22:25 uh, I, uh, tried to see, uh, we briefly 22:31 discussed it last week. 22:34 Yeah. 22:35 Uh, briefly on the Shanghai Cooperation 22:41 Organization, briefly became the star. 22:44 True. 22:44 Yes. And, uh, the media in Indonesia, 22:48 mass media in Indonesia, social media 22:52 in Indonesia, 22:53 hardly discuss the Shanghai Cooperation 22:57 Organization that held a meeting on 22:59 August 31st and September 1st yesterday 23:02 in, 23:04 uh, Stan, right? Yeah. 23:09 Now, from there, I see that the meeting 23:12 of those 10 countries is truly avoiding 23:15 the American digital system, American 23:18 military system, American financial 23:21 system, American energy system, and 23:24 American market system, right? 23:28 Uh, and why do I say avoiding? Because 23:32 they really see American sanctions, 23:34 American economic sanctions, and 23:37 American economic embargoes as truly 23:39 arbitrary behavior. Yeah. 23:42 Uh, behavior that isn't justified, and 23:44 it turns out Iran succeeded, succeeded 23:46 in that forum, 23:48 yeah. 23:49 Uh, to provide an understanding to all 23:52 countries that what is being done by, 23:54 by Washington, well, it must be 23:56 resisted; it must be proven that 23:58 although they don't use the term" 24:00 resisted, "an alternative must be built 24:03 . Uh, then the study indicates that 24:07 indeed they haven't formed a NATO, but 24:09 security cooperation among the 10 24:11 countries shows that—there's Turkey 24:13 there, you know. 24:15 Because of its Eurasian status, 24:17 its Eurasian status there. Now, 24:20 ee all those countries are fully aware 24:23 of the importance of building security 24:26 so that it can later be upgraded to 10 24:29 countries protecting each other like 24:32 NATO. Yeah. 24:33 Well, it's gotten to that point. Even 24:35 though they say it's more of a G7 than 24:38 a NATO. 24:39 Oh, NATO. Yes. But 24:41 it's more of a G7. Yeah. 24:45 Now, from there, the guarantees brought 24:47 up by the SCO members are, for example, 24:50 regarding energy. 24:52 So, 24:55 oh, this is an interesting discussion, 24:56 like I said before, it used to be an 24:58 energy price war, now it's a supply 24:59 chain war. 25:01 Yes. 25:02 Wow. Right. So, if back in 2008 when 25:06 America tried to hit China through oil 25:08 prices, now America is hitting it many 25:11 times over from an energy price war to 25:14 a supply chain war. 25:17 in the energy sector. 25:20 That's why news recently appeared about 25:23 Jordan being absolutely massacred. It 25:28 turns out it wasn't a massacre of 25:29 American infrastructure. it was Iran's 25:32 infrastructure. 25:33 Now, from there it is clear 25:35 the SCO on one hand shows that 25:40 American pressure, American coercion is 25:42 successful, but it doesn't go as far as 25:43 defeating them. Well, that's how the 25:45 sentence goes. 25:46 Yes. 25:50 So that is where those countries turned 25:53 to Iran. Yeah, that is where the model 25:56 is seen. Now, that's where Iran's 25:59 political system is visible. Indeed, 26:01 the economic pressure in Iran is 26:03 extraordinary. Extraordinary. So that 26:07 finally, Iran's oil production, from 2 26:09 million barrels per day, according to 26:12 various circles, only remains at 26:14 220,000 to 260,000. 26:17 Hm. 26:18 Strait of Hormuz, right? 26:20 which was previously up to 20.1 million 26:23 barrels per day. 26:24 It dropped drastically. 26:26 Hm. 26:27 Oil passing through there dropped by up 26:28 to 77%. Iran dropped by up to 87%using 26:33 their calculations, their data, you 26:35 know. 26:37 From there it is clear that America is 26:39 indeed forcing everyone to remain 26:41 submissive to them through violence 26:44 uh 26:46 through policy violence, through 26:48 military violence. Two, 26:50 through sanctions violence. Well, 26:53 the study indicates," Yes, America is 26:55 succeeding in pressuring the whole 26:56 world, "they say. But America, America 27:00 forgets that it is also pressuring its 27:02 own citizens by pushing their gasoline 27:05 prices to record highs. 27:07 Yes. 60%increase, it's extraordinary. 27:12 And mockery against Trump emerged. 27:15 That's all sorts of things, right. 27:16 until finally uh earlier uh 27:19 uh 27:20 the case, the New York case, the mayor 27:23 of New York, the Abu case, Abu Abu Abu 27:25 became an example. 27:27 Yes, 27:28 it became an example, you know, 27:30 at the same time, 27:32 at the same time the success of the 27:35 social democrats, that democratic 27:38 circle, was countered by the 25th 27:40 anniversary of the WTC. the twin towers 27:45 collapsed. Meaning if we want to see it 27:48 all as an example, as an example. Then 27:52 how could Indonesia emulate a country 27:53 that causes world instability and then 27:59 is itself unstable; that's how I see it 28:01 . 28:02 How do you like this model? 28:05 If using the language of the elites, 28:07 how do you then take the example of a 28:09 nation model that is always noisy like 28:12 that. 28:13 Yes. Are you? Do you actually enjoy the 28:16 noise? So, that's why every time there 28:18 is a commotion, you watch it and then 28:21 join in being noisy, right? Interesting 28:23 , right? 28:24 Interesting. Ah," ojo dumeh "(don't be 28:25 arrogant), for example, right?" Ojo 28:27 kagetan, ojo gumunan "(don't be easily 28:28 shocked, don't be easily amazed). Look, 28:29 those philosophies have vanished from 28:31 the surface. But then we are looking 28:34 for new values, so it's called that. 28:36 New values as a foothold, while we 28:38 discard the old values. Hm. 28:40 We haven't found a new foothold, we 28:42 discard old values and replace them 28:43 with something truly chaotic. Just look 28:46 at the story of the reform era. 28:49 Yes. 28:51 A new constitution regime until finally 28:53 , it led to the admission of a silent 28:56 revolution, you know. 28:58 Now, this, oh boy, I don't know when 29:01 the last time Bang Ihsanudin Nursi met 29:04 with Mr. Amin Rais. What did Mr. Amin 29:07 Rais say? How did we end up like this, 29:09 Bang? 29:11 Yes. So if that's the case, that's why 29:14 I say 29:14 uh 29:16 yes, we have no intention of going 29:18 backward. 29:19 Hm. 29:20 As for me, because coincidentally 29:25 my fingers work to formulate my brain, 29:28 my thoughts, my speech, my mouth works 29:31 like that. And you have been in contact 29:34 with all regimes, they don't actually 29:36 not know, they know, right? 29:39 They know exactly. 29:41 But because I am in contact with all 29:43 those regimes, in an interview, I said, 29:45 " I'm not invited, how could I be 29:47 invited? They are disgusted with me, "I 29:50 said. 29:53 Extraordinarily disgusted, they are 29:55 disgusted with me because they think I 29:57 just want to go backward, their 29:59 thoughts, wow, even some university 30:01 circles mention, top university circles 30:03 in Indonesia, right? 30:06 Oh, in the industry, they just want to 30:07 win for themselves. It depends on the 30:11 references you have. It depends on the 30:14 arguments you build. It depends on the 30:16 methodology and data you have. If you 30:19 really have the right references, the 30:21 right methodology, the right data, then 30:23 please face me that way. They say it's 30:26 for the sake of truth, for the sake of 30:28 goodness. Hm. 30:29 But this is not about right or wrong, 30:31 this is about winning or losing. Fine, 30:33 go ahead, take your position of winning 30:35 but being in a mess. 30:37 Like that. Yes. That's why only in the 30:40 second year, they are already busy with 30:42 the fifth year. Oh my God. Yeah. How 30:46 can we deal with this messy state of 30:48 our country with a cool head or a more 30:51 prepared heart? From a long text of at 30:55 least 20-30 pages that I read this 30:57 morning, as a closing since it is 31:00 already 9 o'clock, Bang. First, I 31:05 apologize because there was an 31:07 oversight. 31:10 Today I had an oversight, and second, 31:13 well, the second is like this. I was 31:17 interviewed by a friend yesterday for 31:21 over an hour about the situation in 31:24 Indonesia. I asked, can the Indonesian 31:28 people survive under the current 31:31 conditions? That is the fundamental 31:34 question, and my answer is it depends 31:35 on which level of society and what 31:37 structure we are talking about. Let’s 31:40 say the lower class. If we talk about 31:42 the lower class now, let’s first 31:43 define what is meant by the lower class 31:45 . Well, can people who supposedly earn 31:49 around 4 million, can they survive on 4 31:51 million a month? 31:53 Can they survive in the current 31:54 conditions? 31:56 I would say that 4 million figure is 31:58 biased because prices keep rising. 32:01 Yeah. 32:02 So that is what we call the 32:03 vulnerable-poor becoming truly poor. If 32:06 the middle class at 9.48 million, they 32:08 are indeed falling into the 32:09 vulnerable-poor category. The poor are 32:11 shifting further into poverty. 32:13 Now, my answer to that is this. 32:17 I witnessed two villages in Central 32:21 Java, you see. 32:23 Yes. 32:24 How did they survive, how did they pull 32:28 through? They built a social system. A 32:31 social system. It's not that they 32:34 closed themselves off. No. Outsiders 32:35 are welcome to come and take a look, 32:37 it’s fine. But they try to handle 32:38 transactions themselves. They try to 32:40 manage their own natural resources, you 32:42 know. They try to organize their own 32:45 lives. Until finally, officials came 32:48 there and witnessed that success. They 32:52 —they were still—they were welcome 32:54 to observe, but they tried to stand 32:56 their ground against interacting with 32:58 those officials. 33:00 Hm. 33:01 But they didn't resist in a harsh way, 33:02 that’s how they survived. They 33:04 politely refused various offers, you 33:07 see. Yes. 33:08 Oh, even when political parties came 33:10 later, they rejected them too. 33:12 Now, that is proof 33:14 that the righteous and the corrupt 33:16 cannot mix. 33:17 Yeah. 33:19 So, there is indeed a defense mechanism 33:21 , it has actually been demonstrated. 33:23 Likewise, when Governor Anwar Hafiz 33:25 provided extraordinary education 33:27 funding in Sulawesi, that went viral, 33:31 it was compared to the Governor of West 33:33 Java who claims to be supportive 33:35 despite having extraordinary revenue. 33:38 Now, that is proof that 33:41 everything really depends on leadership 33:44 . Then, a number of people handling 33:48 strategic projects in this country 33:51 asked," Brother, what should we do? " 33:54 Amidst an atmosphere of uncertainty— 33:56 the IMF also recently indicated that 33:58 this uncertainty would continue. 34:01 So I said, the formula is not to start 34:03 from your weaknesses, but to start from 34:05 your strengths. That is what I once 34:08 said on Rasil as well. If a person is 34:10 in a drowning position, 34:12 then their feet become the deciding 34:14 factor. So if someone is drowning and 34:18 the water is up to their shoulders, up 34:21 to their neck, and rising toward their 34:24 chin, Yeah. 34:27 and for some, it has reached their chin 34:30 but hasn't covered their nose yet, for 34:33 example, then realize that your footing 34:35 is the—what’s the point? The point 34:39 is that we must talk about the 34:40 strengths we have, not our weaknesses. 34:43 Yeah. 34:44 not a weakness, but this is, this 34:46 completely contradicts the way of 34:48 thinking of neoliberals in Indonesia. I 34:50 will repeat it. Heh. 34:51 This contradicts the way of thinking of 34:53 the neoliberals who have been in power 34:55 in Indonesia. 34:56 Debt again. 34:57 Since the year 68. 34:59 Since the year 68, yes, up until now, 35:01 since 67-68 they have been in power 35:03 holding the reins, and they say," Ah, 35:05 this is because we are in power, not 35:07 you, that’s why you criticize, "they 35:10 say. If you were in power, we would 35:12 criticize you too. Look, they really 35:14 think the issue is about power. 35:17 And it's true, they talk like that. 35:20 Just imagine, that's what the nation's 35:22 children think when they hear the 35:23 criticisms from me and my friends. 35:26 So, it means let us look at our own 35:28 respective positions. 35:30 Hm. 35:31 Look at the footing we have. From there 35:33 , we set out to overcome a situation 35:35 that is full of uncertainty. Hm. 35:38 I am not trying to scare you; the image 35:41 of America extending its war in the 35:43 Strait of Hormuz against Iran shows 35:45 persistent, continuous uncertainty. 35:49 There are three scenarios that I 35:51 mentioned on a TV show. The first 35:55 scenario is an increase in the 35:56 escalation of war. The second scenario 35:59 is the war's escalation continues as 36:01 usual. The third scenario is the war's 36:04 escalation decreases. Which one do we 36:06 choose? Now, that is where we think. 36:09 Think whether the escalation is 36:11 increasing, stable, or if there is a 36:14 decrease in escalation. 36:16 Heh. 36:17 Now, if we imagine those three 36:19 scenarios, then we must prepare our 36:21 stance on ground that is already 36:22 flooded, we have to see if the waves 36:24 might be huge, if the waves are stable 36:26 like this, or if the water might be 36:28 receding. Ah, that is where we look. It 36:31 means we start looking for high ground 36:34 that can avoid the flood. We look for 36:37 that place so that we don't, how about 36:39 the concrete policy? Well, don't you 36:42 get involved in usury. 36:44 Like that. 36:44 Try to overcome usury. Because this 36:48 country, this country is a Muslim 36:50 country trapped by usury. So 282 36:52 million Indonesian people, 87 percent 36:55 of whom are Muslim. 36:58 Those 87 percent Muslims are totally 36:59 trapped by usury in their economic 37:01 system, in their political system 37:02 totally trapped by a liberal system, in 37:04 their social system trapped by a system 37:06 of individual materialism. Now, those 37:08 three things must be overcome. 37:10 Hm. 37:11 In its social system, individual 37:13 materialism, in its political system, 37:15 liberal, in its economic system, usury 37:16 with all its free market variations. Ah 37:19 , that is what we must overcome. 37:20 Hm, like that. Yes, that's all, I 37:22 apologize once again. 37:25 Subhanakallahumma wabihamdika ashadu 37:26 alla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka. 37:29 Assalamu'alaikum warahmatullahi 37:30 wabarakatuh. 37:31 Wa'alaikumussalam warahmatullahi 37:33 wabarakatuh. 
