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0:08 Brail TV. 0:16 Peace be upon you, Brother Iksanuddin 0:18 Nursi. 0:20 And peace be upon you too. As people 0:23 say, health is the most important thing 0:25 . We were worried earlier. We wondered 0:28 why we couldn't reach Brother Nursi. 0:31 The listeners said it’s not the same 0:34 without you this Tuesday. Sundays are 0:37 also meant for this, right, Brother? 0:39 God willing. Amen. 0:42 Brother, it's incredible how the 0:46 journey of this nation has become a 0:49 global spotlight, especially regarding 0:53 Sri Lanka, a country that nearly failed 0:56 despite its previous tourism success 1:00 and more. Mismanagement, as some say. 1:05 This serves as a reminder for those 1:06 managing our own country today. How do 1:10 you view this phenomenon lately, 1:12 Brother? Please, go ahead, in this 1:14 post-COVID era. 1:16 In the name of God, the Most Gracious, 1:18 the Most Merciful. Initially, Sri Lanka 1:22 ...was under British influence. 1:27 Hmm. 1:28 Great Britain. 1:29 That's right. And in '48...it was 1:35 granted independence after they formed 1:38 a sort of Ceylonese people's congress. 1:42 Ceylon, as people used to call it. 1:45 Then, of course, due to British 1:48 influence, the remnants were quite 1:51 strong. It’s proven, for example, 1:56 with a population of 21,675,000, they 1:59 had a per capita income of 3,000...118 2:05 dollars per capita. 2:10 That was from the total of 21,675,000 2:12 ...people earlier. 2:16 So, the picture shows that Western 2:19 influence there was extraordinary. 2:22 Hmm. 2:22 Its prior history was, of course, under 2:25 Indian influence... 2:27 Yes. 2:27 India was split. Yes. That included... 2:31 Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh. 2:33 Bangladesh included. 2:35 The background in... 2:36 the 19th century was like that. 2:38 Hmm. 2:40 Now, since...'08 until 2004, Chinese 2:49 influence expanded. 2:52 Hmm. Chinese influence expanded, and a 2:56 number of countries did indeed join the 3:00 Belt and Road Initiative. Just like 3:04 recently, when President Jokowi was in 3:06 Washington for the US Summit. Yes. 3:11 Megawati actually met Xi Jinping and 3:13 stated her support for the 3:15 establishment of the NDB...the 3:17 operation of the New Development Bank 3:20 as... 3:21 a rival to the World Bank. 3:24 That proves that Chinese influence is 3:26 getting stronger every day. 3:30 The efforts to bring down China's 3:32 economy, which have been campaigned and 3:34 propagated by Western media, have never 3:36 succeeded, right? Yes. 3:39 China remains solid. Hmm. 3:44 From the trade war, currency war, 3:47 military war, and the IC war that I 3:50 have mentioned many times, China 3:53 remains resilient. Even when there were 3:58 several issues where mainstream media 4:00 worldwide joined in... 4:02 claiming China's economy would collapse 4:04 because of Evergrande, right? Yes. 4:07 I said perhaps the only one on 4:08 Indonesia's Rasil who said no, because 4:10 that propaganda was Western propaganda, 4:12 and it was proven. Now, one of the 4:16 influences is indeed because the 4:18 Chinese model in the Belt and Road... 4:24 So, in 10Q, when the government's power 4:25 cannot contribute anything to its 4:27 turnkey position and cannot pay for the 4:29 project, because turnkey projects are 4:32 a single project built on cooperation 4:34 that must be paid for upon completion, 4:36 right? 4:37 Yes. That is its name and specified 4:39 time. Now, just like with the 4:41 high-speed rail, eventually Jokowi sat 4:42 down 4:44 and finally involved the state budget. 4:46 Uh-huh. 4:48 Well, in Sri Lanka, that’s how it 4:50 collapsed. 4:52 Actually, I see it as having two 4:54 constructions. The first concept is 4:59 that, truly, the economy in any region, 5:03 including South Asia, Central Asia, 5:07 Southeast Asia, or Latin America, if it 5:11 follows the Western model, 5:16 does not actually have solid 5:17 macroeconomic fundamentals. It's just 5:20 like Indonesia, as I said yesterday, 5:22 when they claimed they were doing 5:23 counter-cyclical, but the rupiah 5:25 weakened. 5:26 In the macroeconomic policy speech 5:28 yesterday by Sri Mulyani at 5:31 the opening of the session. 5:33 Uh-huh. 5:34 I still maintained that it’s 5:35 impossible; the macroeconomic 5:36 fundamentals are fragile. And this 5:37 isn't just now, this has happened many 5:39 times. And in essence, no government 5:41 has ever truly improved the 5:42 macroeconomic fundamentals. So, a solid 5:45 macroeconomic policy has never emerged. 5:48 That also happened in Sri Lanka because 5:50 their benchmark was the West. So, when 5:53 they entered into cooperation with 5:55 China with fragile macroeconomic 5:57 fundamentals, it was very easy to 5:59 collapse. That is the background story 6:01 of Sri Lanka. I see. 6:04 Now, Indonesia will face threats like 6:07 that. 6:08 Uh-huh. 6:10 If it doesn't prepare itself to fix the 6:12 economic structure, both from the 6:15 perspective of the relationship between 6:18 production resources and distribution, 6:20 which generates goods and services, 6:23 especially in finance. 6:26 Yes. Even including, for example, the 6:30 ICT category, it will be affected. 6:34 Why? Because essentially, as I said, 6:38 war for the economy, economy for war, 6:41 and that has been happening throughout 6:43 the ages, at least for the last century 6:45 and a half. China, for example, when it 6:47 fell during the Opium War with Britain, 6:50 for instance, that was Britain waging 6:52 war for the sake of the economy. Until 6:55 China had a sense of regret over that 6:58 defeat and then established an iron law 7:01 Yes. 7:02 Over various clans, so Sun Yat-sen 7:05 emerged, and then Mao Zedong, until now 7:07 , leading to leaders like the current 7:09 ones. 7:11 That shows if they learn from history, 7:13 their civilization can no longer be 7:15 toppled by models like that. 7:17 Hm. 7:19 Meaning, war for the economy and 7:21 economy for war is something eternal, 7:23 war for peace. Peace for war, that will 7:27 continue to run. That's why the answer 7:30 is that Islam is not like that in its 7:31 model. 7:34 That is, if you want to take it, I’m 7:35 speaking in broad strokes here, the 7:36 details can be deeper than that. But, 7:40 simply put, from a material perspective 7:43 , from the perspective of materialism, 7:46 it is always like that. That's why, 7:51 historically, the Prophet's wars were 7:54 not wars constructed to dominate a 7:56 country for the economy. Not that, but 7:59 to straighten the course of life so 8:02 that life is peaceful and tranquil, not 8:05 war. 8:06 That is what truly makes the difference 8:09 . And because of that, the strategy is 8:11 not an offensive one; the strategy is a 8:13 defensive one, as seen in the 18 8:14 battles that occurred after the 8:16 migration to Medina. In the case of Sri 8:19 Lanka, we can see that once Sri Lanka 8:21 began to follow their lead, it was 8:23 bound to fall. It’s simple, just hit 8:26 them with inflation. 8:27 Yeah. 8:28 Because from there, the West, 8:30 Washington, always exports inflation to 8:33 the countries they want to strike. If 8:37 they hit them with inflation, it will 8:39 inevitably affect their energy, their 8:41 food, and their finances. That is my 8:43 theory of the 5Is. 8:45 Yeah. Yeah. 8:46 So, once you invite the power of 8:48 capital and the power of goods to 8:49 invade—let me repeat that. Once you 8:54 invite the power of capital, goods, and 8:56 services to invade your country, just 8:58 wait for the time when you will... 9:01 Yes. ...fall, you will fall apart. At 9:04 the very least, you will remain 9:05 dominated. 9:06 Hmm. 9:07 That is how the West maintains its 9:09 dominance, which is now being disrupted 9:10 by China. China uses a different 9:13 strategy. 9:15 Its strategy is not to export inflation 9:17 or to invade with capital or goods. For 9:20 goods, it is certainly done through IT. 9:22 But it does it through a 9:23 cooperation-based model. That's the 9:25 impression. 9:25 Yes. 9:26 The grand theme of the Belt and Road 9:28 Initiative is growth cooperation. 9:31 But the question is, growth for whom? 9:35 It’s the same as when they talk about 9:38 the New World Order or the Sustainable 9:40 Development Goals (SDGs). 9:44 They talk about how to build 9:47 cooperation for sustainable development 9:50 . My question is, sustainable for whom? 9:53 Yes. So, truly, if we use the Quranic 9:59 model of thinking, when we examine the 10:01 SDGs regarding sustainability or growth 10:04 , while the Belt and Road Initiative is 10:07 about growth cooperation, the question 10:10 remains: sustainability for whom? I 10:16 have the answer: because it is based on 10:18 foreign capital, the invasion of 10:20 capital, goods, and services, the 10:22 growth is not for the country inviting 10:25 them, but sustainability for them. 10:29 That is the NWO, New World Order, or 10:30 SDG way of thinking. 10:33 Or as they say, "Build Back Better." If 10:36 they... 10:38 If we look at growth cooperation now, 10:40 growth for whom? During the recent 10:42 crisis, it was clearly growth for China 10:44 . Growth for Beijing, it was very 10:47 obvious. So if we trace the root of the 10:51 problem, we will be careful about 10:53 inviting an invasion of capital into 10:55 our country. We will be careful. 10:58 Meeting with global entrepreneurs. 11:00 To come to our country so they will 11:03 invest. 11:04 Hmm. 11:05 That is a wise leader, thinking that 11:07 way. 11:08 A leader who can understand the 11:10 situation, that we actually do not need 11:12 an invasion of capital. We do not need 11:14 goods. 11:15 Balance. 11:15 That is what I call the importance of 11:17 building economic sovereignty, not just 11:19 political sovereignty. 11:21 As Hatta and Soekarno said, what is the 11:23 point of political sovereignty if the 11:25 economy is not sovereign? That means we 11:27 are not yet independent. 11:29 Yes, it's wrong. 11:30 And today, it is being proven by Sri 11:32 Lanka. 11:32 Yes. Yes. It’s truly extraordinary 11:36 that in these times, war has become a 11:38 gimmick. Today, Taiwan is also becoming 11:42 an issue. After we saw the time before 11:45 the war in Ukraine, it was very clear 11:47 it was being provoked to happen. Now, 11:50 China is even saying don't play with 11:52 fire in Taiwan. That’s what China 11:54 says, right? 11:55 uh, towards America. Ah 11:58 meanwhile, our country is being urged 12:01 by Mr. Jokowi to save and be frugal. 12:05 This is another paradox, while leading 12:08 this nation is actually good, but on 12:10 the other hand, leadership by example 12:13 is important. How so? 12:16 This is a simple but profound question. 12:18 Oh, I see. In the Taiwan case, I have 12:25 repeatedly stated it because they 12:27 already declared it in the US National 12:30 Defense Strategy of December 2018, and 12:33 I have conveyed this to various forums. 12:36 Yes. 12:38 So, what is the point now when they are 12:40 also provoking the Taiwan issue? 12:44 The point is that both Republicans and 12:46 Democrats benefit from the global 12:48 situation they’ve created. Yeah. 12:51 In other words, they sell fear and 12:53 anxiety, and therefore, they sell 12:55 protection. 12:57 Exactly. They sell anxiety, they sell 13:02 fear, and because of that, they demand 13:04 protection. Whether it's military 13:06 protection, economic protection, or 13:08 social protection. 13:11 It’s very simple to see if we know 13:13 the root of the problem. 13:15 Yes. I 13:15 You fear the erratic weather. Suddenly 13:19 it’s hot, suddenly it rains, 13:21 suddenly the sea levels rise. 13:23 Can we imagine if they used what is 13:25 called geoengineering for their own 13:27 agenda? Can they? They can. Rain can 13:29 even be diverted, you know. 13:31 Yes. 13:31 You cannot stop the rain from falling. 13:33 But in essence, according to their 13:34 technology, they can shift it 13:37 to a place where it then affects the 13:39 weather. Yeah. 13:41 That is what the Democratic Party does 13:45 as an effort to remain a single global 13:48 power. A single power, yes. 13:51 Yeah. 13:52 A global single power. 13:54 A single dominant force in the world. 13:56 Now, when we talk about war, that means 13:58 the Republican Party. 13:59 Yeah. 14:01 If the Democrats reaped the benefits in 14:05 2021. Now, in 2022, I think Biden is 14:09 being wiser, thereby also giving a 14:12 chance for the rise of Republican power 14:15 . That is how I see it. When a leader 14:22 states that the people must be frugal, 14:25 then what is the state doing? Let's map 14:30 out the problem, how do we map it out? 14:33 Yeah. 14:34 Who prints the money? 14:37 The state. 14:38 The state. 14:39 Because the state has the authority to 14:40 create money. That’s why 14:42 for all money, 14:44 in this case, digital money, printed 14:46 money, 14:47 printed money, digital numbers, not 14:49 dinar or dirham. Yes. 14:51 Even later with dinar and dirham, the 14:52 authority still lies with the state. 14:54 but at the very least, uh the 14:55 difference is that with dinar and 14:57 dirham, the money isn't just paper, it 14:59 doesn't have 15:00 an inherent value, it's just paper. 15:02 with digital or paper currency, the 15:04 numbers are based on perception. 15:06 Hmm. 15:07 Who has the authority? Well, we can see 15:10 that from the 2,000 to the 100,000 15:12 rupiah bills, it still states "Unitary 15:14 State of the Republic of Indonesia." 15:17 Signed by the Governor of Bank 15:18 Indonesia and the Minister of Finance. 15:20 Hmm. 15:21 Meaning the state, in this case, the 15:23 Ministry of Finance, 15:25 uh, the President of the Republic of 15:27 Indonesia together with the DPR via the 15:28 state budget (APBN), 15:30 has the authority to print money. The 15:32 one that prints the money is BI, uh and 15:34 then it is circulated by BI. 15:38 Meaning, the amount of money printed 15:40 and circulated is in the hands of the 15:43 state. 15:44 H 15:45 the people use it. What is the problem? 15:50 It means the amount of money in 15:52 circulation depends on the state. 15:57 So, how do they...I mean, the state 15:59 spends the APBN, so who isn't being 16:01 frugal, the APBN or the people? In the 16:04 midst of the people themselves 16:05 experiencing deep poverty 16:07 with a Gini ratio that is still high. 16:10 And then the people affected by that 16:11 high Gini ratio are told to be frugal. 16:13 Think about the logic, who is wrong 16:15 here? H, maybe the middle class. 16:20 Eh, no, no. Let's just break it down 16:24 simply. 16:24 He 16:26 in any case, the state's APBN is the 16:28 prime mover, the main driver. 16:30 He 16:30 let me repeat. I am using the fiscal 16:33 and monetary theory here. They print 16:36 the money, they circulate it, and then 16:39 they spend it through policy. 16:43 Who isn't being frugal, the APBN or the 16:46 public? At the same time, the banking 16:51 sector is doing what is called, uh, 16:53 this is the policy difference. If the 16:57 government yesterday in its speech 16:59 firmly stated our countercyclical 17:00 policy was successful, it's proven by 17:02 how we maintained growth and controlled 17:05 inflation. At the same time, banks are 17:07 carrying out procyclical policies. What 17:10 does that mean? They don't want to 17:11 issue credit because the economic 17:13 situation is unclear. 17:14 You can see that from the LDR. The 17:17 loan-to-deposit ratio remains below 100 17:19 %, staying low because they are 17:21 cautious as the economic situation is 17:23 still fluctuating. 17:26 In simple terms, why do our banks also 17:29 print money with their uh micromonetary 17:33 policies, for example, by creating uh, 17:36 by issuing bank books, issuing 17:39 checkbooks, and issuing, uh, pocket 17:42 money, right? 17:44 Uh, uh, the big banks are printing 17:47 money, right. Now, if the banks are 17:52 pro-cyclical, meaning they are 17:54 pro-crisis and therefore they refrain 17:56 from issuing credit, then the money in 17:58 society decreases. In cool economic 18:01 terms, the liquidity in the market 18:03 decreases. 18:04 At the same time, the government is 18:06 countercyclical with massive spending 18:09 but it's ineffective. Then they say, " 18:11 Hey, society, you need to be frugal." 18:14 When they are experiencing a high Gini 18:15 ratio and have no money, 18:17 beggars are everywhere, divorce rates 18:19 are high, divorce filings. 18:20 How does the logic work, tell me. So 18:26 there is something wrong, there is a 18:29 misunderstanding of the problem. 18:32 The impact is that the policy is wrong 18:34 and ineffective. 18:37 The logic behind it, the 18:38 fiscal-monetary logic, ends up like 18:40 that. 18:42 I don’t know who the advisor is, 18:44 until finally they declared that people 18:46 should be frugal. Who should be the 18:48 ones practicing frugality? It shouldn't 18:50 be about being frugal. It’s what 18:52 should be happening right now, you know 18:54 . 18:55 The government should spend to create 18:58 as many jobs as possible for every 19:01 citizen, not just every resident. 19:05 I’ve said it so many times, just 19:07 execute Article 27 paragraph 2. Every 19:09 citizen has the right to work and to a 19:11 decent living for humanity. How do we 19:13 do that? The national budget (APBN) 19:15 should be used to overcome unemployment 19:16 . The national budget should be used to 19:18 overcome poverty. Then they said, "We 19:20 don't have inflation as high as abroad. 19:22 Our inflation is low." Yeah. Yes. 19:23 Because you give out cash assistance ( 19:25 BLT) that doesn't solve the problem. 19:28 Hm. 19:30 That is the fiscal logic, that is the 19:32 monetary logic. The fiscal side doesn't 19:34 solve the problem, the monetary side 19:35 holds back. How do you expect that to 19:36 work? 19:36 Just spinning the money that exists. 19:41 Let me repeat, let me repeat. The 19:43 fiscal side is problematic in its 19:45 policy formulation because the figures 19:46 are wrong, the policies are wrong. The 19:48 monetary side is restraining. The 19:52 monetary side is contracting while the 19:55 fiscal side is expanding to maintain 19:58 growth, so they don't align. Heh. 20:02 This is what I mean, how policies 20:05 between fiscal and monetary should be 20:08 aligned, motivated by Article 27 20:11 paragraph 2, referring back to Article 20:14 23 and Article 33 of the 1945 20:16 Constitution. Forget the fourth 20:19 paragraph of Article 33. Go back to the 20:22 role of Article 23 regarding the 20:24 national budget, fiscal and monetary 20:26 matters, including the BPK (Audit Board 20:28 ) not being a political body, but a 20:30 truly robust and strong financial audit 20:33 institution. 20:35 I was once a keynote speaker at the BPK 20:37 and I criticized them thoroughly there. 20:40 Then it appears in the construction of 20:42 Article 27 paragraph 2, every citizen 20:44 has the right, not every resident, I 20:45 repeat. Hey state officials, pay 20:48 attention to Article 27 paragraph 2. 20:50 Every citizen has the right to work and 20:53 a decent living for humanity. Then 20:56 Article 33 appears, how the economy is 20:58 structured as a collective effort based 21:00 on brotherhood. Important production 21:03 branches are not handed over to the 21:05 private sector, whether domestic or 21:06 foreign. And the earth and natural 21:08 resources are not surrendered to 21:10 foreigners, but managed by the state. 21:11 That’s how you should think. 21:12 This constitution is great. 21:13 It means governing according to the 21:15 constitution, that’s what I mean. 21:16 According to the constitution. 21:18 Yes. Truly governing according to the 21:20 constitution. 21:21 Not governing based on your whims as 21:23 officials, or your whims as political 21:26 leaders. 21:27 H. 21:28 On one hand, you don't agree with your 21:29 own political party. You say this 21:31 presidential candidate is like this, 21:32 and so on. This shows that within the 21:35 political parties themselves, there is 21:37 already conflict. Just because of... 21:41 the desire to extend terms or add to 21:42 the tenure is not possible. Then you 21:44 play games like that, what are you even 21:46 thinking? 21:48 I am confused, where is your wisdom as 21:50 an official, where is your exemplary 21:52 conduct as an official? Where is your 21:55 commitment to upholding the dignity and 21:57 honor of the nation? The dignity of the 22:01 nation, the dignity of the people, the 22:03 dignity of man can only be achieved if 22:05 you truly understand the structure of 22:07 the problems, the economic structure, 22:09 and you can see that you are not in a 22:11 position that becomes a burden to 22:13 society, but truly an asset to society. 22:17 I have said this many times, a national 22:20 leader is an asset. They are not a 22:24 liability, but when they say certain 22:27 things, what emerges are liabilities 22:29 for the greater society, for the public 22:32 , and they become liabilities for the 22:34 state. 22:36 Whereas the state is held by political 22:38 parties. So the question is, is there a 22:39 relationship between political parties 22:41 and the officials acting? There is. Why 22:43 ? Because political parties only think 22:44 about themselves. 22:46 That is a broken actor, a broken system 22:47 , as they say. So if the "samna" 22:49 approach......is "system" and "actor" 22:53 ......an approach, you see. So there is 22:56 the person, "samna" means what is heard 22:58 . 22:59 Yes. 22:59 Daytime, listening and executing with " 23:01 aton". So if we use the "samna" 23:04 approach, or to put it in fancy terms, 23:05 the systems approach and the actor 23:07 approach, the systems approach and the 23:08 perpetrator approach. Then we are 23:12 facing two problems. There is a problem 23:14 with the system, there is a problem 23:15 with the actor. That is heavy for this 23:17 nation. That is what I call inviting a 23:20 crisis. Hm. Yes. So, it's like a dog 23:24 running toward a stick. But the title 23:27 is, our constitution is already set up 23:30 that way, Bang. How can a leader not 23:34 return to the constitution? Even though 23:37 they are sworn under holy scripture to 23:39 uphold the constitution. We can read 23:42 the constitution, it is clear. Is it 23:44 open to multiple interpretations or 23:45 what, Bang? 23:46 No. They don't understand. 23:47 Oh, they don't understand. 23:49 If you ask me, they don't understand. 23:51 So, this was my long-standing debate at 23:53 the Sugeng Sarjadi Forum. Heh. 23:56 So, for over a dozen years I was at the 24:00 Sugeng Sarjadi Forum. Heh. 24:04 At the Sugeng Sarjadi Syndicate, the 24:07 people I faced were senior ministers 24:09 like Emil Salim, J.B. Sumarlin, Amien 24:11 Rais......Purnomo Yusgiantoro, and my 24:15 only foundation was the constitution. 24:17 And I saw clearly how, whenever I used 24:19 the constitution......they got 24:22 uncomfortable. 24:26 I could see it from their body language 24:28 and from their diction and narratives. 24:31 Hm. 24:31 I was once one against three, you know. 24:34 Chatib Basri, Emil Salim, and Amien 24:37 Rais. 24:39 At Sugeng Sarjadi, I also faced energy 24:41 officials like Purnomo Yusgiantoro and 24:43 several other friends in my learning 24:45 process. Oh, it turns out they take an 24:49 oath of office based on the 24:50 constitution, but they don't understand 24:52 the spirit, the values, and the ideals 24:54 of the constitution. They don't 24:57 understand that. 24:58 Hm. 25:00 For example, how I translate the 25:01 constitution into something simple in 25:03 its opening words, which is to liberate 25:06 the people, right; to free the nation 25:07 and country from oppression, ignorance, 25:10 poverty, inequality, and humiliation. 25:13 That is the translation of the first to 25:15 the fourth paragraphs. 25:18 Now, when we have those 5Ks, right; 25:20 there should be no oppression, no 25:23 ignorance, no poverty, no inequality, 25:25 no humiliation, then we just need to 25:27 look at the body of the constitution. 25:31 Well, when it was changed with the 2002 25:34 amendments, well, everything became a 25:36 mess. 25:37 Hm. 25:38 Then, uh, what are they actually 25:40 running? They no longer hold onto the 25:42 constitution because their subjectivity 25:43 is what drives their interests. That is 25:46 what happened with cooking oil. 25:48 Oh, yes. 25:50 That happened with cooking oil; it was 25:52 visible there. 25:53 It was very clear that the BWM policy 25:55 was a mess. I've talked about it 25:58 repeatedly. Come here, sit with me if 26:00 you want to. 26:02 But they don't want to. 26:06 Okay. Always busy. 26:07 Eh, that's the simple version. Likewise 26:10 with the Ministry of Agriculture, the 26:12 Ministry of Trade, up to the Ministry 26:14 of Finance. I said last week, there was 26:17 an export ban, but was there a decree 26:19 or a government regulation for it? 26:21 There wasn't. 26:22 Then when it was revoked, they cited 26:24 the principle of discretion. The 26:27 principle of discretion—this country 26:28 adheres to legal positivism. 26:31 The school of formalism, the school of 26:33 positivism. 26:34 Where a legal decision must be written 26:36 down. Although previously, using the 26:39 1945 Constitution, the spirit of the 26:42 organizers and the values living within 26:44 the governance process were also 26:46 considered sources of law. But because 26:51 that was discarded entirely and they 26:53 refer to the 2002 Constitution from 26:55 their amendments, their actions have 26:58 become the source of law. Even though 27:01 their actions are not in line with the 27:03 1945 Constitution. So what now? What 27:07 kind of constitutional state is this 27:09 becoming? 27:10 That is the problematic part; that is 27:12 what I call the fundamental problem. 27:14 It's like when we say*hudalinnas min 27:16 al-huda wal-furqan*. Okay, that's the 27:18 Quran as*hudalinnas*(guidance for 27:19 mankind). But if you use that, it's 27:20 Al-Baqarah 185. If you go back to 27:24 Al-Baqarah 2 verse 2, it says*hudalil 27:25 muttaqin*(guidance for the pious). 27:28 Okay. Now we say you are a Muslim. 27:32 Muslims are also asked to be*hudalinnas 27:34 *. Okay. H. 27:36 And if you are a believer (*mukmin*), 27:38 you are also asked to be*hudalil 27:39 muttaqin*. So everything goes back to 27:41 the Quran. What is the goal? To save 27:43 human life. 27:45 H. 27:45 Just imagine if we apply that Quranic 27:48 structure to our life as a nation. 27:52 You have values, you have a fighting 27:54 spirit, and you have ideals as 27:55 formulated by the founders of the 27:57 republic. 27:59 And then you implement them in a 28:00 different way. So what are you holding 28:02 onto then? What are the guidelines for 28:04 life as a nation? What is the direction 28:07 for our national life? What do we use 28:09 to measure success or failure? 28:11 H. 28:12 Oh yes, the state budget is successful, 28:14 inflation is low, growth is still 28:15 happening. Okay. But who controls the 28:18 resources for production and 28:19 distribution now? Yes. 28:24 That’s the question, isn't it? 28:26 Let’s just follow their income. Okay. 28:29 As an argument, that’s fine. You know 28:31 , I was once in a debate on Akbar 28:33 Faisal's YouTube channel. "Go ahead, 28:35 invite anyone you want.""I'll show up." 28:36 "Come on.""I’m not bringing anyone, 28:38 just myself." I said, "Let's do it, 28:40 okay?" Hmm. 28:42 Like that, sure, let's go, I’m ready. 28:44 But the motive must be one: to uphold 28:46 the constitution, for the common good, 28:49 and for the good of this nation and 28:51 state. In fancy terms, for the dignity 28:55 of the nation, for the honor of this 28:57 country. Come on, I'm down for that, 29:00 but if it’s just to see who wins. No, 29:02 no, I’m not participating. I don’t 29:03 debate just to win, that’s not my 29:05 concern. 29:07 Masyaallah. 29:08 Ah. 29:10 Extraordinary. This nation truly needs 29:13 reminders, and the Quran says there 29:15 must always be a reminder among you 29:18 regarding these issues. This nation was 29:21 built on such a solid foundation. But 29:24 these times are truly incredible. 29:28 Brother Iksanuddin Nursi, it’s also 29:31 on our minds that these issues keep 29:34 recurring endlessly. Brother, it's easy 29:38 to say go back to the Quran, but not 29:41 everyone can easily align their 29:44 perspectives like that. Ah, how long 29:48 does this reminding take, and will this 29:51 be a prophecy in the end or what, 29:54 Brother? I, uh, yesterday I was in... 30:03 Cirebon, in Bandung, giving lectures 30:06 for half an hour, two hours, three 30:08 hours, having discussions. And 30:12 yesterday in Jakarta, I also met with 30:15 some friends, started with meeting the 30:18 family for halal bihalal, 4... 30:21 49 families. What I reminded them of, 30:26 what I conveyed, was... 30:28 Hmm. 30:30 A model of education that emphasizes 30:34 deep connection. So, if we use the 30:37 language of philosophy, 30:39 Hmm. 30:41 Consistency, coherence, and 30:42 correspondence between the heart and 30:44 the mind, so that one's speech is 30:45 honest. Hmm. 30:48 Yes, that. 30:49 Don't let your heart be elsewhere, your 30:51 thoughts elsewhere, and your speech 30:53 something else entirely. That alone 30:55 reveals hypocrisy. 30:56 Hmm. Now, when there is a mismatch 31:00 between the heart and speech, what 31:04 happens, in the language of the Quran, 31:07 is confusion and deviation. 31:10 Hmm. 31:12 And it leads to ruin. I even quoted it 31:15 in a WhatsApp group. "Go ahead and 31:18 debate with whatever arguments you have 31:21 .""But in my view, the arguments you 31:24 are building are destructive." I quoted 31:28 that verse repeatedly. "Woe, woe," 31:31 it’s terrifying, that verse, really. 31:34 Terrifying, terrifying. Exactly. So if 31:37 I’m asked by Ayan Thalib, "How do you 31:38 learn to be like that?" Like it or not? 31:42 Agree or disagree, don't stop opening 31:44 the Quran every day. That's it. 31:47 Just open it, eventually read the 31:50 translation. 31:50 Just 15 minutes. 31:52 Hmm. 31:53 But make those 15 minutes count, that's 31:54 what matters. What is this anyway? 31:57 Understand the narrative, understand 31:58 the diction. I mean, understand the 32:00 terms being used. 32:01 Yeah, that's right. 32:02 So, how is the narrative? And how does 32:04 the Quran build its argument? And how 32:06 does it formulate its analysis? And 32:09 provides evidence for every verse, even 32:12 if it's short. 32:14 Hm. Oh, even if it's just a short one, 32:17 right? One verse can be very short, for 32:22 example, in surahs—if you use long 32:27 surahs, it's too long. For example, 32:30 just take Al-Asr. 32:32 We are asked to pay attention to time. 32:37 Pay attention to time. Try to look at 32:39 time properly. That is an extraordinary 32:43 management lesson behind it, and the 32:45 content is essentially, "Let's do good. 32:47 ""Let's uphold the truth." 32:53 That's it, "wa-tawaasau bil-haqq," 32:55 let's uphold the truth, let's do good. 32:58 All in good ways, so time is filled 33:01 with truth and goodness, and if you 33:03 abandon that truth and goodness, you 33:05 are surely lost. 33:06 H. 33:07 You are surely at a loss, just from 33:09 Al-Asr alone. Try it. 33:11 The thematic, the diction. Oh, sorry. 33:14 Yes, that's right, the diction. 33:15 Yes. 33:16 So in Indonesian, the cool term is " 33:19 diksa," or simply "diction"—that is 33:22 time. 33:24 He. 33:24 But the next part is, indeed, you are 33:27 in loss. Look, the narrative is about 33:31 loss. Okay. What is the argument? Yes, 33:35 the argument is that if you don't 33:36 uphold the truth and you don't remind 33:38 others of the truth. Then you remain in 33:41 loss. 33:42 That is the proof provided. And it is 33:45 consistent. 33:47 It's simple, just a short verse, but 33:49 the meaning is extraordinary. 33:51 Extraordinary. 33:52 Because who owns it? Time. 33:55 We are the ones entrusted with a 33:56 specific amount of time. We never know 33:59 if our time is long or short, but we 34:00 are entrusted with it. Who created time 34:03 ? Allah. In accordance with the orbits 34:05 of the earth and the heavens. So that 34:07 learning comes from the diction of time 34:11 itself, that time. Oh my God, the depth 34:14 is extraordinary. 34:16 Maybe you remember Stephen Hawking? 34:18 Yes. 34:19 The physicist who talked about "A Brief 34:22 History of Time," or in the current 34:24 context, he passed away due to his 34:26 theories from the Big Bang to black 34:28 holes. 34:29 And he didn't...he... 34:31 He knew there was a God, he knew that. 34:35 He knew, but he didn't recognize Him. 34:37 Yes. 34:39 He knew and he encountered it, but he 34:42 didn't understand. 34:45 So he kept thinking about materialism, 34:47 about... 34:48 This world keeps moving in a state of 34:50 evolution and their way of thinking. 34:52 Or if we take the thinking style of... 34:55 Harari. 34:56 Hm. 34:57 Yuval Harari, the historian. 34:59 I. 34:59 From Israel. 35:00 Who was educated at Oxford. He. 35:04 And became an advisor to Klaus Schwab. 35:07 Klaus Schwab is a descendant of the 35:09 Rothschilds. 35:10 He tells stories about what humans are 35:12 descendants of, and he can speak to the 35:14 future from a human perspective. But he 35:16 hasn't encountered Islam. 35:19 Those are the most real examples. He 35:22 hasn't met with 35:23 he doesn't know Allah. He knows Him, 35:25 but he hasn't met Him. That's an 35:26 example. 35:27 Why is that? Because he doesn't want to 35:29 read the Quran, whose knowledge is so 35:31 perfect. Which, in my terms, has a 35:33 multistructural approach. 35:36 Its methodology is extraordinary, from 35:38 the diction, narration, argumentation, 35:40 analysis, to the evidence; it's 35:41 incredibly dense if we take those 35:43 examples. 35:44 Masyaallah. 35:45 Now, this does take time; sometimes 15 35:48 minutes unintentionally becomes an hour 35:51 . 35:51 Yeah. Like us right now, we didn't 35:54 realize it's been 850 minutes, uh, of 35:57 time. 35:58 Yes, I see it's been 37 minutes and 15 36:00 seconds. We started late. Oh God, may 36:04 we end our discussion this morning, 36:06 brother? 36:08 Okay. I see, on international, regional 36:12 , and national levels, the VUCA 36:14 condition is peaking. True. 36:17 That was actually covered in the 36:19 earlier question. 36:21 That VUCA condition is peaking. 36:24 The volatility, uncertainty, complexity 36:26 , and ambiguity keep rising toward a 36:29 peak until the arrival of Imam Mahdi. 36:31 Oh. Because of human actions, which are 36:38 called destructive actions. 36:42 Eh. In Al-Baqarah, do not commit 36:47 corruption. And then they say, "We are 36:50 only reformers." 36:53 Verse 11 of Al-Baqarah. The damage they 36:56 cause is visible. They answer by saying 36:58 they are doing good. The damage they 37:00 create, they answer with good deeds. 37:01 Heh. 37:02 And it's all visible from the language 37:04 of Bill Gates, Zuckerberg, and those in 37:07 IT; they are all like that. 37:10 It's all visible. Oh, I see. They act 37:12 as if they are creating goodness for 37:14 the world, yet they are not. They are 37:17 shifting the format, not associating 37:23 partners with Allah, but they are 37:24 becoming shirk (polytheistic) with the 37:26 AI models they build. That is what I 37:28 call them building a materialism 37:31 caliphate. They are building a 37:34 civilization model totally based on 37:36 bypassing the technological relation to 37:38 be directly divine, so there are no 37:41 more policy, strategy, and function 37:43 issues. That is the leap of their 37:46 Qadariyah structure. Meanwhile, in the 37:49 Jabariyah structure, they translate it 37:51 as humans being sovereign with their 37:53 abilities, so God is dead. Now, if you 37:58 want to answer that, there is no other 37:59 way. You must go back to the Quran. 38:01 Masyaallah. 38:02 That's the thesis about God being dead, 38:04 "God is dead," right? That debate 38:06 emerged years ago, and now they are 38:08 putting it into practice. 38:10 Yes. 38:11 So they answer with a materialism 38:13 caliphate. That is what is called the 38:14 new world order. 38:16 Now, from there, try to observe what is 38:18 happening in Indonesia. So, at the 38:20 international level, Trump stated that 38:23 the spiritual center of the earth is in 38:25 Jerusalem. And then the center of world 38:28 government is in Washington. Then we 38:31 move down to the regional level, like 38:33 what happened with Somad recently in 38:35 Sri Lanka and Singapore. Then we go 38:37 down to the national level and we see 38:39 and witness things that way if we look 38:40 at it like that. Oh yes, the chaos is 38:42 increasing. Now, in terms of chaos, 38:45 volatility, and complexity, when it 38:47 increases, you have no answer 38:49 whatsoever unless you return to the 38:51 Quran. 38:52 There is no other answer. Okay, God 38:55 willing. Amen. Amen. God willing, a 38:58 reminder for all of us. Extraordinary, 39:01 Brother. We must always remember and 39:04 believe that. When the time comes, this 39:07 story will show what has been outlined 39:10 by the Messenger of Allah, peace be 39:13 upon him. 39:14 Correct. That the age of humanity is up 39:17 to 15 centuries. 39:19 I calculate 15 centuries, which means 39:21 if we use the approach 39:22 of Hijri, right. Yes. 39:23 It only has 57 years left, right. 39:25 57 years more, God willing. 39:27 56 years, actually. That is why the way 39:31 the West and China think, they will 39:33 reach that peak of chaos 39:36 in my view by 2035 or 2040. 39:40 So wait about 13 to 15 or 18 years from 39:43 now, it will reach its peak. That is 39:46 when Imam Mahdi will descend. 39:48 So my estimation is 2035 to 2040 is 39:50 when Imam Mahdi descends. Yes. God 39:52 willing. Thank you, Brother Ihsanuddin 39:56 Nursi, for livening up our Tuesday 39:58 morning today. We will upload it to 40:02 YouTube before Isha, God willing. Is 40:04 that right, Brother? Okay. And 40:06 before closing, I apologize to anyone 40:10 if my statements or studies are wrong, 40:12 it is because of my ignorance. 40:14 Hmm. 40:15 While asking for forgiveness from Allah 40:17 . If it is correct, it is not because 40:20 of Ihsanuddin Nursi, but because it is 40:22 indeed the will of Allah Ta'ala in 40:24 order to uphold what is right as right, 40:26 and remove what is false as false. 40:34 Peace be upon you, and Allah's mercy 40:36 and blessings. 
