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0:01 Brail TV. We will be speaking with 0:11 Hendrajit from the Global Future 0:12 Institute shortly. Peace be upon you, 0:16 and Allah's mercy and blessings. How 0:18 are you, Brother? 0:19 Peace be upon you too, Brother Iksan. 0:21 How are you? 0:21 That's great, Brother Hendrajit. Your 0:24 writings have been circulating in 0:26 various places. But it seems the Middle 0:30 East is becoming a new map, isn't it? 0:34 What will happen with the Makkah 0:36 agreement, and if Pakistan is attacked 0:39 by India, will it be helped by the 0:41 Saudis? It seems we are scratching our 0:44 heads. What's certain is that now Saudi 0:46 is being attacked by unknown entities 0:49 from Iraq. What is happening? Is it a 0:52 false flag, or is there another story 0:55 behind this, as it seems a battle or a 0:58 civil war is being instigated? Now, 1:01 they are starting to be cautious. Iran 1:03 immediately responded by conducting a 1:05 joint investigation with Iraq. Not to 1:09 mention the developments at Bab 1:10 el-Mandeb in Yemen, which seem to be 1:12 winning the struggle there. What do you 1:16 see, Brother Hendrajit, regarding the 1:18 political map—it's not just the 1:20 geology being changed, but the world 1:22 map is also being reshaped, right? It 1:25 was just changed. Please, Brother. In 1:28 short, our oil has exceeded 100 US 1:31 dollars per barrel. This is causing 1:34 extraordinary global instability. Even 1:37 the people in America are getting 1:38 agitated. Please, Brother Hendrajit, 1:40 feel free to enlighten us for the next 1:42 15 minutes. Yes, Brother Iksan. So 1:47 first, following the terms of reference 1:50 from Rasil, the friends at Rasil remind 1:52 me of a detective story, Brother Iksan. 1:57 So, sometimes, uh... 2:00 the person with the motive is not 2:02 necessarily the culprit; often... 2:06 sometimes there is actually a group or 2:08 someone who, for example, in a murder 2:11 case, piggybacks... 2:13 on the motive of this person. So, who 2:16 benefits? Well, if they are the heir 2:19 because their parent or sibling died, 2:21 then yes...It turns out that when 2:23 investigated by a detective with eagle 2:25 eyes... 2:27 it is later proven that it wasn't them 2:29 at all. Well, yes. 2:30 Now, if I analyze what you said, 2:32 Brother Iksan... 2:34 regarding the previous news review, 2:36 it's becoming clearer that Iran and 2:38 Iraq have agreed... " 2:40 Wow, we need to find out who this is." 2:43 That's why they want to create... 2:45 it means, at the very least, Iraq and 2:47 Iran feel disturbed by it. Wow, if 2:51 things like this happen... 2:52 especially since the image was that 2:54 Iran and Saudi Arabia were sworn 2:56 enemies, right? Iraq, too, after all... 3:01 the Persian Islamic tradition is also 3:03 strong, even if there was once a Sunni 3:05 Saddam, for example, and all that, but 3:08 with these developments... 3:12 at least it's clear it wasn't them, so 3:14 all that remains is whether this is 3:17 America's doing or Saudi Arabia's own 3:19 path, as there were some... 3:23 possibilities or speculations like that 3:25 . Yes. 3:26 But what I see... 3:27 uh... 3:29 following the US-Israeli attack on Iran 3:32 , there was an unexpected development, 3:35 besides the blockade of the Strait of 3:37 Hormuz, where exporters like Saudi 3:40 Arabia and other Arab countries were 3:43 also harmed. Hmm. 3:46 Conversely, those wanting to supply or 3:48 the importers also can't do it because 3:49 nothing is being shipped, right? 3:52 Yes. Correct. They can't send, and let 3:54 alone receive shipments. Well, that is 3:57 why a global energy crisis has 3:59 developed. 4:00 H 4:01 and what follows is a global financial 4:04 crisis. So, that is why there is an 4:06 effort, especially with the dollar 4:08 being the benchmark, which is starting 4:10 to be questioned and challenged, right? 4:12 He. 4:12 So 4:15 some international forum trends have 4:17 begun to shift to multipolar, like 4:19 BRICS or the Shanghai Cooperation 4:22 Organization, starting to think about 4:24 how to localize 4:27 eh, their respective local currencies. 4:30 Now, these models are starting to 4:32 appear. Now, that is already a 4:33 disruption, if the global trade that 4:35 uses the dollar as a reference is 4:36 shaken. So, it's just a matter of time 4:39 for the more political aspect 4:41 the shifting configuration of global 4:44 power itself. Now, 4:45 he 4:46 meanwhile, if we look back a few years 4:49 ago, Iran and Saudi Arabia already made 4:51 peace through Chinese mediation. This 4:54 means these three countries are already 4:56 quite 4:57 forward-thinking, right. There is a 5:00 possibility of new developments where 5:02 the American-British alliance 5:06 in the Middle East, referring to the 5:09 six Gulf countries like Saudi Arabia, 5:12 Kuwait, Qatar, Oman, Bahrain, and the 5:14 UAE, is also starting to wobble, right? 5:18 Yeah. 5:19 So, the development regarding the 5:21 bombing of refineries and so on, or 5:23 ports, which are essentially energy 5:25 infrastructure in Saudi Arabia, already 5:28 started during the war between Iran and 5:31 Yemen 5:32 America and Israel themselves, right. 5:35 Well, it also raised suspicions of 5:37 where this actually came from, is it 5:39 Israel? Well, it could be Israel or 5:43 indeed 5:44 from America itself, especially since 5:46 we have seen at least that. 5:49 That is why the prediction of someone 5:51 quoted earlier 5:53 by Bang Iksan about the American order 5:55 starting to collapse, the hinges have 5:58 indeed come off. So it's just waiting 6:00 for 6:01 the door to collapse. What does that 6:03 mean? A crisis of confidence among 6:06 America's allies in the Arab world or 6:07 the Middle East, like the six countries 6:09 mentioned earlier, is also starting to 6:11 wonder, can they actually be relied 6:13 upon? Now, it has already started to be 6:15 like that. So, the catalyst, in my 6:17 opinion, with the 6:19 bombing of what 6:22 the burning of that oil infrastructure, 6:27 right, Bang? 6:28 Yes. Yeah, meanwhile, the Mecca 6:31 agreement becomes its own test, right. 6:35 Because China is the main player, where 6:38 its closeness to Pakistan and that 12- 6:41 second handshake with Modi yesterday 6:43 became an extraordinary global 6:45 spotlight. Is it true that the world 6:50 map is not just physically changing, 6:52 but this geopolitics is also changing? 6:55 How are the observations from our 6:57 friends at the Global Future Institute, 6:59 Bang Indrajit, please. 7:02 Yes. So that's right. So what is it 7:04 called? First, that crisis of 7:06 confidence, then the development toward 7:12 multilateralism with the formation of 7:14 BRICS in 2005 and the SCO 7:18 which was around that year as well, 7:20 that created an alternative for 7:21 developing countries, including in the 7:23 Middle East itself, even though 7:26 Well, a country might be rich, but 7:29 politically, within the Global South 7:31 landscape, it remains fixed. That is 7:34 why developments, including its 7:37 closeness to BRICS, the SCO, and so on, 7:39 are notable—especially since 7:42 Indonesia itself has already joined in 7:44 earlier. 7:46 Uh, BRICS and all that, they are 7:48 increasingly creating 7:50 uh, what shall we call it, a defensive 7:53 attitude from America and certain 7:55 hardline elements in Saudi Arabia who, 7:58 uh, refuse to see the trend 7:59 developments that Bung Iksan mentioned 8:02 earlier. H 8:04 There are new developments ahead that 8:07 should anticipate those dynamics, 8:09 moving towards aligning instead of, you 8:12 know, trying to resist by creating and 8:15 maintaining the old order. Now, I think 8:20 the meeting point between the 8:21 conservative current that doesn't want 8:24 to look ahead in Saudi Arabia and the 8:26 elements 8:29 in the hardline factions in America 8:30 itself, including its intelligence, 8:31 which 8:33 which in my opinion, plays a role in 8:35 creating 8:37 uh, what’s it called, the crisis that 8:40 led to the bombing or the fire at, you 8:42 know, the Saudi Arabian oil refinery 8:44 itself. I 8:46 Yes, it's extraordinary. Let's return 8:48 to domestic affairs, Bang Hendrajit. 8:51 Uh, is Indonesia still non-aligned, or, 8:55 looking at Mr. Prabowo's statement at 8:59 BRICS yesterday, saying Indonesia is 9:02 reluctant to be dictated to by certain 9:06 powers. Is this just on the level of 9:09 narrative, or how is it? Because 9:12 regarding BRICS, it seems we can't move 9:15 , especially in facing the Palestine 9:17 issue, which has long been our 9:19 constitutional duty to defend. Now, 9:23 what does Bang Hendrajit see? 9:26 Yes. 9:27 Yes. Uh, the phrase "not wanting to be 9:30 dictated to," from the perspective of 9:32 the non-aligned movement, uh, is 9:34 understandable for Indonesia. Heh. 9:37 The thing we must look at is not the 9:39 rhetoric, but the actual actions. Heh. 9:42 Now, when it comes to the context of 9:44 BRICS, 9:46 that too 9:47 uh, can be interpreted in many ways. 9:50 But as it develops, Indonesia's 9:52 participation, including the 9:53 President's, in 9:57 BRICS or SCO forums, participating in 10:00 agreements that are quite productive by 10:02 considering the possibility of a new 10:05 currency that could lead to 10:07 de-dollarization and such, actually 10:09 means not wanting to be dictated to, 10:12 but also that non-alignment isn't 10:14 passive. 10:16 Because if you don't want to be 10:17 dictated to, you can't just be 10:19 uncomfortable here and uncomfortable 10:20 there. In the end, we wouldn't have our 10:22 own stance. 10:23 But this is non-aligned, yet it is 10:26 not just progressive, I’d say it’s 10:28 aggressive. In the sense that 10:30 uh, regarding BRICS and its 10:32 controversies, whatever it is, the 10:34 President can refer to the fourth 10:36 paragraph, right? 10:39 Participating in world order. Yes, is 10:42 it effective? That’s the complicated 10:44 issue, but at least the stance is there 10:46 . And one more interesting thing, Bang 10:49 Iksan, from some info from young 10:51 diplomats quite close to me since 10:53 ISIS, friends, yes, true, from the past 10:55 , 10:57 some of them hold decent positions, and 11:00 quite a few have complained 11:03 uh, when BRICS happened, echelon 1 and 11:05 2 of the ministry were shocked because 11:07 they only found out on TV. So, this is 11:14 a machine that operates on its own, 11:16 right? 11:18 That's why someone like Mr. Dino should 11:20 be the one asked, not Mr. Guo. Who? Uh, 11:23 Anis Mata? Yes, it seems that with his 11:27 broad knowledge, even he seems confused 11:29 right now, that's how it functions. 11:32 Yes, that's right. But setting aside 11:34 the BUP and all its complexities. Uh, 11:37 but during that hostage situation, 11:39 there were networks that were the 11:42 actual targets, and it turned out to be 11:45 effective in freeing, what was it? 11:48 If I'm not mistaken, nine people, so if 11:49 I'm not mistaken, that's it. 11:52 Yes. On the other hand, what I have 11:55 observed closely, many media outlets 11:58 noted our participation in the SECO 12:00 summit and our involvement in spawning 12:03 some models. 12:06 New currencies, or even in the context 12:08 of starting to challenge, essentially, 12:09 or initiating some kind of... 12:13 Uh, this new financial currency that 12:15 points towards de-dollarization, and if 12:18 that happens, then globalization, right 12:20 ? 12:22 Well, that example shows that 12:23 non-alignment is... 12:25 Running, but proactively, not like in 12:27 the previous era which... 12:31 Didn't want to bother here or there, 12:32 but also didn't want to offend anyone, 12:34 finally ending up confused. Yeah. 12:37 Well, at the very least, with these 12:40 pros and cons, it's running in this 12:42 kind of context. 12:45 Now, Bang Hendrajet, in the theories 12:48 that are developing, has this become a 12:51 prediction, or is this truly an anomaly 12:54 that was never expected in today's 12:56 situation, when geopolitical emotions 12:59 and nature are all changing? This story 13:03 on the face of the earth. What do you 13:05 think, Pakaj? Yes, every time the word 13:09 anomaly is used, I always ask back, 13:11 because an anomaly can be interpreted 13:14 as a deviation from the common, right? 13:17 True. Yeah. Yeah. 13:18 Or is it perhaps the core issue? Well, 13:21 for me, the meaning of anomaly is... 13:23 Deviating from the general. But it's a 13:25 picture of something deeper, that the 13:28 core issue is change. 13:30 There are causes of change that have so 13:33 far been in the accumulation stage. Now 13:37 , because there is momentum from the 13:39 outside, the prerequisites for change 13:41 are matching. Now, that's what the 13:44 Iran-America-Israel war yesterday was, 13:47 the catalyst, actually, for something 13:49 that previously saw the emergence of a 13:52 unipolar movement, which was claimed 13:54 after the Cold War... 13:57 The sole winner is apparently falling 13:59 apart slowly. But it is still in the 14:03 stage of rebuilding from that shift, 14:05 and the changes are now starting to 14:08 appear, with... 14:12 Not just a single hegemony of America 14:14 alone, but the European Union, Russia, 14:17 China with their strategic alliances 14:19 are starting to create balances, and 14:22 the Global South, in the context of 14:24 being able to read this, is also ready 14:26 to respond to this new trend. Now, this 14:30 is what might create, no longer an 14:32 anomaly, but actually the core issue. 14:36 Well, perhaps behind the fire and 14:38 bombing at the refinery in Saudi Arabia 14:41 , this is actually just a picture; it's 14:44 no longer an anomaly but the core issue 14:47 . 14:50 which could accelerate the shift toward 14:52 the global order that was just 14:55 predicted by one of those reviewed by 14:58 uh 14:59 Bang Iksan just now, right. Now, this 15:01 is what I think 15:02 uh moving forward is increasingly 15:03 accurate. So, I think the 15:06 delegitimization of America as a 15:09 hegemonic power has indeed started to 15:12 slowly crumble 15:14 yes. We see that the world is indeed 15:16 changing. A final message from a global 15:20 geopolitical analyst, Bang Hendrajit. 15:23 What would Bang Hendrajit like to 15:25 convey when people are watching what is 15:27 happening to the world? perhaps some 15:29 continue to watch this. What could be a 15:33 benchmark for this journey? How so? 15:37 Please, Bang Hendra, your closing words 15:39 . So, our free and active foreign 15:43 policy, guided by what is it called? 15:48 The 1955 Asian-African Conference in 15:51 Bandung, where the emphasis is on 15:53 empowering the Global South. Eh, yes 15:58 I think that is spot on; although 16:00 Prabowo in that speech didn't mention a 16:02 separate pole, a platform for the 16:04 expression of the struggle for global 16:06 justice is correct. But still, in my 16:09 opinion, we must acknowledge that it is 16:11 the impact of the 1955 Bandung 16:13 Conference. That we become the third 16:17 force with developing nations. This 16:20 should be a constant inspiration moving 16:23 forward to respond to global 16:25 developments that may lead to a change 16:27 in the old order, yes. Now, the second 16:32 is the Non-Aligned Movement itself, so 16:34 it is not just romanticized but 16:36 reactualized by having Indonesia and 16:38 countries in the south—both in Asia, 16:40 Africa, and the Middle East—become 16:43 more solid 16:45 in facing changes so that our 16:47 bargaining position is also strong. 16:49 Not just being a victim of 16:52 the world's changes later, yes. Yeah, 16:55 that's just recycling then. Earlier, 17:00 Bang, since you already mentioned the 17:02 Asian-African Conference, why has that 17:04 conference been buried for the last two 17:07 years? Even the ambassadors could only 17:11 just have coffee in Bandung last year, 17:13 and there was no commemoration at all 17:15 by the state. What exactly is the 17:19 sentiment being avoided, or how do you 17:21 see it? Yes, frankly, I am also puzzled 17:25 by that occurrence. What's even more 17:28 surprising is that whenever I go to 17:29 Bandung, one of my main 17:31 agendas is at least a whole day 17:35 at the Asian-African Museum library. 17:38 But twice I went there, 17:40 it was never possible because it was 17:42 being renovated, they said. Library day 17:45 . 17:46 Is this just a coincidence? That's 17:48 interesting, but I think 17:50 in this aspect, I think Prabowo and 17:53 Megawati should 17:56 meet to discuss this, because in this 17:58 aspect, it's not just about elite 18:00 politics, right? 18:03 In my opinion, this needs momentum; 18:05 although it is romantic, that 18:07 romanticism also needs to be 18:09 reactualized because it was a power in 18:12 its time, and why shouldn't it remain 18:14 that way now? 18:16 Mashallah. Thank you, Brother Indrajit. 18:19 Uh, hopefully this is enlightening for 18:22 listeners from Aceh to Banyuwangi, and, 18:24 uh, we will talk again on another 18:26 occasion, God willing. Thank you, 18:29 Brother. Peace be upon you and the 18:31 mercy of Allah 18:31 and His blessings. 18:33 And peace be upon you too. Yes. 
