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Peradaban - Ustadz Salman Alfarisi dan Umi Irena Handono

Name: Peradaban - Ustadz Salman Alfarisi dan Umi Irena Handono
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Description: Dialog Jumat Bersama Ustadz Salman Alfarisi dan Umi Irena Handono pada hari Jumat 2 Februari 2018.

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Dialog Jumat Bersama Ustadz Salman Alfarisi dan Umi Irena Handono pada hari Jumat 2 Februari 2018.

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H Rasil TV For one Islam.
In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious
, the Most Merciful. May the peace,
mercy, and blessings of Allah be upon
you. O Allah, send blessings upon our
master Muhammad and upon the family of
our master Muhammad. Praise be to Allah
, we meet again today, Friday, the 15th
of Jumada al-Awwal 1439 Hijri, or
February 2nd, 2018. Yes, as always,
Silaturahim Radio and Rasil TV via
YouTube present the Friday dialogue
with Ustaz Salman Alfarsi and Umi Irena
Handono. This time, our theme is the
manipulation of civilization. Now, what
is it like? We will hear it later.
Peace be upon you. They are already
here. Praise be to Allah. Umi Irena and
Ustaz Salman. Peace be upon you, Ustaz
Salman. Umi Irena.
And peace be upon you too.
So, we are talking about civilization,
right? Civilization can be made good
and can also be made bad, right? That's
right.
As an introduction, Umi Irena.
Ustaz Salman, please open it first.
Oh, sure, let me open it first.
Prayers first. Salawat first, right?
Peace, mercy, and blessings of Allah be
upon you.
And peace, mercy, and blessings of
Allah be upon you. In the name of Allah
, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
Praise be to Allah, Lord of the worlds,
and we seek His help for the affairs of
this world and the hereafter, and may
peace be upon our master Muhammad, the
trustworthy, and upon his family and
all his companions. To proceed. All
praise and gratitude we offer to Allah
as an expression of our infinite thanks
for the many blessings given. Blessings
and greetings to the Prophet Muhammad,
peace be upon him, who has taught us
everything. Hopefully, we can practice
it so that we may later receive
intercession from the Prophet Muhammad,
peace be upon him.
Amen.
Honored viewers, honored listeners. For
the blessings of our lives, let us
recite the Ummul Quran together. May
Allah grant us health, long life,
blessings-filled sustenance, and a
peaceful, loving, and merciful family.
To the presence of the chosen Prophet,
peace be upon him. Al-Fatihah. I seek
refuge in Allah from the accursed Satan
. In the name of Allah, the Most
Gracious, the Most Merciful. Praise be
to Allah, Lord of the worlds. The Most
Gracious, the Most Merciful. Master of
the Day of Judgment. You alone we
worship and You alone we ask for help.
Guide us to the straight path, the path
of those upon whom You have bestowed
favor, not of those who have evoked [
Your] anger or of those who are astray.
Amen. Honored viewers, because we are
talking about this civilization, I am
interested in a verse of Allah that is
very famous, in Surah Al-Baqarah, Allah
says: "Lan tardha 'ankal-yahudu wa
lan-nasara hatta tattabi'a millatahum."
The Jews or the Christians will never
be pleased with you, O Muslims. "Hatta
tattabi'a millatahum." Until you follow
their way. This "millah" is interpreted
by some scholars as religion, by others
as a way of life, but by some others as
civilization. Since I have read them
all, I say: until you follow their
religion. Or their lifestyle, or their
civilization. All three are correct,
right? Yes, yes, yes. Just agree with
it. Why am I the type of person who, if
there is a debate, I think...
Why debate it? Just include all three,
right? So, that is correct.
So it's true, it's no longer A or B or
C, but A, B, and C all together. You
know, if we're taking a test with A, B,
C, D, and they're all correct, I'll
just choose D, so all of them are
correct, making them Jewish. But this
doesn't mean that God created Jews and
Christians, implying it's only Jews and
Christians. Of course, everyone who
does not follow the religion of
monotheism will never be happy with the
term monotheism. Until we follow their
religion, their lifestyle, and their
civilization.
Yeah.
And they will strive for that. But look
, I really want to convey it like this.
This verse should be a motivation for
us, Mr. Krishna. What is the motivation
? Well, if that's the case, I will also
never be content, I will never have
peace in this world until those other
than the Islamic faith follow our
Islamic lifestyle. Ah, that is what
should be adopted, yes.
Yes. I
Mr. Beda, Mr. S. Let me repeat it. Look
, I am inviting us to understand it
this way. If the Jews and the
Christians work hard so that Muslims
follow their civilization, then I, as a
Muslim, must work hard, strive hard, so
that Jews follow Islamic civilization.
Aha.
How to do it? Must be creative.
Yeah. Ah, this is what will be
discussed by everyone; it all stems
from creativity. I often say, if the
Prophet were present in this era, then
the one who invented Facebook wouldn't
be Mark Zuckerberg, but Muhammad bin
Abdullah. If Muhammad were present at
this time, then the one creating
restaurants where you order via table,
using touch screens, wouldn't be Jack
Ma,
but Muhammad bin Abdullah. Ah, but
right now Jack Ma makes us all follow
his civilization, ma'am.
Mark Zuckerberg does it all. It seems
rare now for people not to have a
Facebook account. This doesn't mean
it's our fault for having Facebook. It
means if someone wants to make many
people follow their lifestyle, then
they must, what is it called? Work hard
. Now, this might be what we will
discuss later with Umi Eren. How a
civilization—as I was chatting with
Umi before we went on air—how a
civilization can bring about positive
things, right?
Yes, that's true.
And at the same time, it can bring
about negative things.
How does the story continue?
Let's hear it from Umi.
Please, Umi Hirenaono.
Yes. So, it's like this,
I still remember, Ustaz. Yeah.
Currently, alhamdulillah, many among
our community realize how important
breast milk is
for babies.
Yes, alhamdulillah. Ustaz,
alhamdulillah. In the past, there was
an opinion that breastfeeding was
primitive.
Yes.
What about the modern way? Using a
bottle.
Yeah.
Using canned milk. And carrying the
child? Ah, that's primitive. H.
So, what is the modern way? Using a
crib and just letting them sleep alone.
Don't hold them, yeah, don't separate
them into a basket. Let them sleep
alone from birth. Like that.
I even remember that in houses
considered modern, there is a
separation where small children are not
allowed to enter certain rooms.
Why? Those are rooms for adults.
Huh.
And children have their own separate
room. Huh.
Separated again, right. And what is the
result? Now, we see that our nation,
forgive me, is still quite fond of
non-Islamic civilizations, including
Western civilization.
Western civilization in general, I see.
Yes.
Yeah.
It's generally like that. So, what is
happening right now? At their peak,
they have, what is it called? They have
, uh, assumed that they could hold the
world in their grasp.
Huh.
Look at the example in England on
January 17th.
Hm.
England now has a Ministry of
Loneliness.
Ministry of Loneliness.
Ministry of Loneliness. Why is there a
Ministry of Loneliness? Loneliness of
what? It turns out, according to their
current survey, one in 10 British
people is already experiencing severe
depression
because of loneliness.
Because of loneliness. What does
loneliness mean? Well, it's explained
there that according to the survey,
hundreds of thousands of elderly
British people have not communicated at
all for at least one month.
Hm.
Never talking to anyone. Meanwhile, in
our society, thoughts are being
developed, sown, and consumed that say,
"Why are you being so nosy?""Let people
go in and out of their own homes,
whoever they want to accept or reject
as guests is their business, it’s
their human right, why interfere by
asking where they are going?""Where are
you coming from, Ma'am?""Why bother
with small talk like that?""No time.""
That's from the ancient times.""Now is
the modern era, we must respect each
other's human rights."
Individualism.
Individualism. And that is what is
happening in our country right now;
neighbors don't know each other so much
anymore.
Yeah.
Right? Especially in residential areas,
there is a lot of that. Hopefully, that
is in general housing, minus Islamic
housing complexes. Now, what is
happening in our homeland today?
Hm.
We were shocked a few days ago by the
death of a married couple in Magelang.
Where is Magelang?
Central Java.
Oh, Central Java, I see.
Central Java. Magelang.
Malang. East Java. This one is Magelang
, Ustadz. This is Magelang. So, this
grandfather and grandmother died inside
their house. After how long?
Yes?
After how long was it discovered?
It was discovered, according to the
doctor, they were estimated to have
died 2 weeks before being found. Then,
who was the first person to know? Uh,
because, uh, what is it called? The
son-in-law, who usually visits, tasked
by the relatives—the spouse of one of
their children—the son-in-law came by
. The son-in-law arrived, but the house
was closed, everything was shut, and
the lights were still on and so forth.
It turned out the husband, the
father-in-law, had passed away while
sitting in the living.
room. Hm.
His wife had passed away while lying in
bed.
And indeed, his wife, the mother-in-law
,
had been suffering from a stroke for
some time and was being cared for by
her husband alone. It was later
concluded that the husband died first,
possibly from a heart attack. Then, the
wife couldn't help her husband because
of her stroke.
And so, the wife probably passed away
from hunger, thirst, and so on. Didn't
they have children? Once again, they
had children, a son-in-law,
and neighbors. About that, that is what
happened. It’s tragic, and I’m
sorry to say, in the West, this has
been happening for quite a long time.
Yeah.
Even among priests, they sleep in what
you call rectories, in rooms side by
side. There are others across the way,
too. But there was a priest who died
and wasn't discovered until more than a
week later. Only after what?
The smell.
The smell.
It's called individualism.
Now, do we want to be like that? Should
we follow that example? Well, in Islam,
that is not what is taught. In fact, a
home is truly meant to be a home. It is
highly desired for its
harmony. When there are even three
generations living in the house.
Right. The grandfather, the grandmother
, and the grandchildren.
Up to the grandchildren. That is a
source of pride. But in life in the
West, when a child turns 17, whether
they are married or not, as soon as
they turn 17, it means you are ready to
move out of the house. Others might say
, "If you choose to stay in this house,
you have to pay rent every month." That
is the norm. Now, are we heading there
too? There is still more.
Yeah.
This is a misunderstanding. A wrong
adaptation. What kind of maladaptation?
It’s that in the past, in our country
, there wasn't as much pollution as
there is now.
Hm. What was it like then? Pedicabs (
becak) were still found everywhere. Now
, the number of pedicabs in Jakarta is
only about 1,000.
H.
Only in certain areas, of course.
Yeah. Only in certain areas. But then,
do we know? That's why, forgive me,
don't be like a frog under a coconut
shell. We must know how civilization is
in other countries that we consider to
be developed nations, super powers,
right? Like what has happened since
Obama's inauguration. Now it has
changed to Donald Trump. Heh.
So, ever since Obama's inauguration,
pedicabs have been in New York.
Hm.
In the past, it started as something
like, uh, like horse carriages for
festivals, for tourists, you know. But
now they enjoy using pedicabs. So
they've become a form of transport.
What's the reason for that? Well, this
what's the reason? Pedicabs produce no
pollution. Meanwhile, we abandoned
pedicabs, why? They were considered a
violation of human rights.
Because they were deemed not cool.
What’s cool is, yeah, what’s cool
are cars, right? He he.
Now, currently, there are only 1,000
pedicabs in Jakarta. But forgive me, I
have the data that the number of cars
is 2.5 million.
Yeah. Now, here in Jakarta, these cars
dominate the roads; if they were lined
up, stationary, those 2.5 million cars
would occupy 25 million square meters
of road. Now, these pedicabs, which are
only 1,000, would only use—if lined
up, they would only use 2,000 square
meters of road.
That's very short, right?
E, now, what do you think about this?
Praise be to God, as we said earlier,
every civilization certainly brings
positives and certainly brings
negatives. But indeed, our people in
Indonesia, especially, feel a bit, what
can I say, cool if they are Westernized
, right, Sir?
Yes.
Even though Western people in world
civilization history are actually those
who lagged behind.
Yes.
Yeah. Uh, if someone reads about human
civilization, civilization actually
started from the East, right?
Not from the West. Well. So if there
are people who always respect Western
civilization, it means they haven't
learned enough. That’s how I see it.
Indonesians even make having a white
spouse a trend, right?
Uh, can
you not do that? TV stations have smart
people, right?
Those who own the big TV stations are
all smart people, surely.
And the radio stations, talking about
Jakarta.
Ah. Jakarta, right? So TV stations are
smart, radios too, but they are very
proud when they see a white person,
right? Uh, I’m sometimes really
amazed when I see, for example, if we
attend an event, they are so proud to
eat pancakes.
H.
E, while leaving*surabi*behind, right?
Try this, if we eat salad, it feels
really cool.
Hm. *
Karedok*, right?
The price of it. Ah, there’s a guy
named Peter, with a sharp nose, but
he’s a street sweeper over there. But
if he comes to Jakarta, he becomes an
artist.
Yes.
Uh, there’s someone named Tukiem, for
example, she’s considered a maid here
. Now, that’s it.
But I see it more as a lack of
self-confidence in our Indonesian
people, because the Indonesians we see
here, right?
So that Indonesian civilizations are
considered backward. While Western
civilizations are considered cool.
H, yeah, and it’s still like that
until now.
Because babies aren't named Sugeng
anymore.
It's rare now.
Yeah, it's rare. So, like you said
earlier, Westerners come here using
pacifiers.
Yeah.
Indonesians use pacifiers. Even though,
well, people are supposed to breastfeed
, right? Not that I'm angry, but what
is it that Westerners use? Those
strollers for kids, right?
Yeah. Indonesians carry their kids. H
Now, they don't even carry them anymore
. Mothers here are like, Westerners eat
like this. Let me ask you first, Mr.
Krisna. If we go to the Netherlands or
somewhere, can we find someone selling
karedok there?
No, there isn't.
Selling Ayam Taliwang, is there any?
There isn't, right? But KFC...
H
In Indonesia, even in the villages,
you'll see them eventually. H
Because for them, eating KFC is really
cool.
Even though it's junk food.
It is junk food, right? It’s not good
for you, right? Ah, this is a heavy
task for education, back then, wasn't
it the Ministry of Education and
Culture?
Yes.
Kemendikbud, right? Ministry of
Education and Culture. What does that
mean? That
culture is very dependent on education.
Yes.
If children's education from elementary
school teaches the real Indonesia, our
Indonesian identity will be very strong
. That’s it.
We can't deny that there is a good
Indonesian civilization. Carrying
babies is good, breastfeeding is good.
We have the term' nenangga '(
neighboring).
Yes. We do have something like that,
right?
Yeah.
In our village, I mean in our village.
Yeah.
In the afternoon, mothers gather, but
there is a downside. What is it? They
end up gossiping. Well, that's
definitely the bad side of it.
But through neighboring, they know, "Oh
, my neighbor is healthy, or this
person is sick, right?" They eventually
know, so it doesn't happen like what
Umi said, in Magelang, a couple dying
suddenly. "Now, in Islamic etiquette,
it’s clearly stated.
Yeah.
That even when we cook,
we must share with the neighbors.
Yes. Don't let the neighbors just smell
our cooking, right?
Correct. Correct. It’s in Islam.
Neighboring is in Islam. Greeting,
saying assalamualaikum, is in Islam.
It's as if they were even going to be
our heirs.
Yes. Before the verse on inheritance
was revealed, the companions said, we
considered our neighbors to be our
heirs.
Hm.
Until the inheritance verse was
revealed. Before that, the companions
thought," My heir is my neighbor. "
That's how extraordinary
the closeness
of neighbors is in Islam. Not like us
now, living in a housing complex.
Yeah.
We leave, we come, we go inside. But
Ustaz, excuse me, what is actually the
homework here?
Yeah.
Homework that needs to be addressed
again, right? On the other hand, we are
, er, we can be drawn toward a Western
civilization.
Uh-huh.
The one that leads to the loneliness
mentioned earlier.
Uh-huh.
But on the other hand, there is another
civilization being emulated from
another part of the world by our nation
, so what happens? In Islam, when
someone passes away, the bereaved
family should not be burdened. H
with serving meals.
I
Right?
So, the neighbors of the family who
lost someone do not cook for themselves
.
Uh-huh.
They aren't allowed to cook. Who is not
allowed? The neighbors. They send over
cooked food early in the morning.
Uh-huh.
For what purpose? So they, they are
already distressed, let them focus more
on praying and composing themselves to
receive guests rather than cooking.
But nowadays, why are there Muslims
who, when someone dies, instead bring
in what? A cook.
Yeah. Well, it's true that our
civilization in terms of, er,
nationhood in Indonesia, it did appear,
indeed, if we look at it, it existed in
Indonesia even before Islam. H
meaning since the days of Buddhism and
Hinduism, when someone passed away,
they would gather at the house, eat
together, have a feast; in the Batak
land, they even play the guitar. See,
they play the guitar and such, and the
ones providing the comfort are the
residents, aimed at keeping the
grieving family company to offer
support.
Then Islam arrived. Islam, so to speak,
strongly adopts local wisdom as long as
it is positive. It strongly adopts
local wisdom. What is an example? When
the Prophet migrated from Mecca to
Medina, the local wisdom of Medina was
used by the Messenger of Allah, peace
be upon him, for socializing. For those
who study the Seerah Nabawiyah, that is
very evident. Starting from the way the
Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him,
delivered his da'wah, his strategy, the
way the Prophet interacted in the city
of Medina, and how the Prophet
approached the community in Medina, it
was very much aligned with the culture
of Medina. So when the preachers came
to Indonesia and saw the rituals—
since Islam came through Sumatra, right
?
It first came from the direction of
Sumatra, right? It entered Sumatra.
They asked," What are you all doing? "
Of course, this was after some time,
because they first introduced Islam
through transactions, actually.
Heh.
They introduced Islam through
transactions.
Trade.
Trade, from what I have read about the
land of Sumatra, it started with what?
So, if an Arab merchant in the land of
Pasai bought rice from a local Pasai
trader, it would be exactly 1 liter.
But if a Muslim trader bought a liter,
he would...
measure it exactly.
He would put it into a plastic bag.
The Arab merchant would then take three
handfuls. Set.
Hmm." Adding some,
adding, adding, sir. "" I bought 1
liter. "" Yes, ma'am. "" I'm paying for
1 liter, you know. "" That extra bit is
what our religion teaches us. "
We were taught that when buying and
selling, if you sell something, give a
little extra.
Yeah.
Right, like that. Ah, that’s how it
started. Then, if people from Pasai
came to an Arab merchant to borrow
money, the Pasai people would say," If
you can't pay your debts, why keep
borrowing? "If they came to an Arab
merchant, they were given plenty of
time, until eventually, the Arab
merchant would call them over." Sir,
you can't pay your debt, it's been
three months now. ""
Forget it, Sir. "" You don't need to be
ashamed. "" I'll consider your debt
paid in full. "Subhanallah. Ah, this is
it. Finally, uh, what do you call it?
The Pasai person was intrigued," What
makes you act like that? "He said," My
religion. "That was it. Finally, the
Pasai person began to recite the two
sentences of the Shahada. But remember,
none of the culture in Pasai was
changed by the preachers. Slowly. So if
we look, Umi, in the land of Sumatra,
from Sumatra or anywhere else, our
Islam actually moved slowly, slowly
following Indonesian culture. Now, we
are talking about Islamic culture here.
Earlier we talked about Western culture
, but if it's Islamic culture, we must
trace it
slowly. Is it hard to find someone
wearing a robe like me?
Very hard. Hard.
Really hard.
Our Muslims back then, our Kyais back
then, what did they wear? A koko shirt,
a sarong. A batik sarong. Why? To fit
in with the culture of the Archipelago.
Now, uh, Middle Eastern alumni have
come and are trying to introduce the
clothing worn by the Prophet sallallahu
alaihi wasallam. People started wearing
robes.
Now, it's not just Ustaz wearing robes
in Jakarta, right?
Yeah, many people wear them.
Many merchants.
Even in the mall, they dare to wear
robes now. Back then, if we looked at
Ahmad Nasir’s wife, her hijab wasn't
like yours, Umi. You know, Umi, back
then there was a songkok.
A songkok was worn back then. They wore
a songkok first,
then a shawl-style headscarf.
Yes, covered up.
Just covered like that. Ah, that was
someone of Ahmad Nasir's stature.
Hm.
Ah, it means because at that time,
seeing someone wearing a headscarf was
already considered a Kyai's wife. Hm.
Just wearing a headscarf, right?
Wearing a headscarf, it keeps coming
back around, you know. That’s the
beauty of how these Islamic preachers
keep going. Now, it’s the same with
several other traditions. What were the
traditions that Umi mentioned earlier?
That when someone passes away, the
teaching of Islam is that those struck
by tragedy shouldn't be burdened with
anything else.
We must not burden the grieving family
with anything at all. So, what the
Prophet taught is to offer condolences
for three days to the grieving family.
During those three days, what do we do?
We visit their home, we meet them, and
we say" A'zamallahu ajrakum. "Which in
Indonesian I say like this," May your
reward be great, may your husband—if
it's a husband—or if it's a wife, be
accepted by Allah. "
We pray, we say all the prayers. That's
it. What happens after that? Usually,
if we meet friends, we end up chatting
before going home. Yeah.
That is what the Prophet Muhammad,
peace be upon him, taught. But it's not
like that in Jakarta, in Indonesia. In
Indonesia, for instance in Batak land,
if someone passes away, we visit. Oh,
you've cried enough, God has given his
grace. And then, as Batak people, we
get picked up. An emergency situation.
What is the purpose? To comfort the
daughter who just lost her father. She
feels happy when her uncle comes to
comfort her. Yes, others feel happy
when their in-laws come to comfort them
. Oh, Ucok, please cook something, they
say. Cooking is a tradition; if you
refuse, that's it. Oh, that's dangerous
. So
what do our scholars say? There is
something better than this. Certainly,
once they are close, what is it? The
scholars back then actually reminded us
not to serve food. We come to pray,
read the Quran, then go home.
Oh, just leave, as the Batak people say
.
Hm.
It doesn't feel right, let's just eat.
So, these clerics actually offered what
? No food, so that you are not burdened
anymore. So there's no need to hunt for
carp or anything else. We just come to
pray, you feel comforted, and we leave.
But the host feels guilty, so they
serve food. We agree up to that point.
What we disagree with now is what
happens among those who use this, the
term is" tahlilan. "
Yeah.
It has gone too far, what is it? I
don't know about Java, Umi, I only know
about Batak land. In Batak land, Umi.
When someone passes away, for the first
, second, and third night, everyone
comes to pay respects and pray without
expecting food. That happens in Batak
land. That's why I told you about Batak
land, Umi.
Yes. I
but on the third night, the family
usually says," Maradu. "It's just a way
of saying. I'm not sure. Well, what is
the term for that? Dear brothers and
sisters, thank you for coming to
comfort us for 3 days and 3 nights to
pray that the deceased is accepted by
Allah SWT. But may we ask you to come
back for one more night? Come back for
one more night to pray together.
Even if it's just boiled cassava leaves
and grilled salted fish, we can serve
it. That is what I see in Batak land,
but here in Java...
because this has been proven to me. I'm
not just saying things.
I'm not saying it's in Java, but here
in Jakarta, it's also Java, right?
People come to borrow money from me.
What do they say, Umi?" Ustaz, my
father passed away in the village 40
days ago. "Tomorrow is the 40 th-day
memorial, and I'm inviting people to
recite Yasin. Ustaz, is it okay to
borrow 3 million for that?
For my father's 40 th-day memorial.
Hmm.
I am someone who highly values culture.
I'd let someone borrow the money. Go
ahead. May your late father be accepted
by Allah. May your good intentions be
accepted by Allah. May that Yasin
recitation be accepted by Allah. May
the alms be accepted by Allah. But,
there are many caveats. What are they?
Must you borrow money for it? Now,
there’s the question. Yeah.
Must we burden ourselves? Ah, this
needs to be considered very carefully.
This really needs to be considered very
carefully. What I think is good is what
is done in the Batak land. What’s in
the Batak land? On the fourth night,
Mr. Krisna or Umena, the food arrives.
Umi, it’s not the bereaved family
providing the food. In our village, the
guests bring the food.
The" Kahanggi "term in the village
means, for instance, everyone with the
surname Hasibuan is my Kahanggi.
Hmm.
So, we invite the Batubara and Harahap
clans, and the ones providing the food
are my Hasibuan clansmen.
Hmm.
It’s not just me; we, the Hasibuan,
help Salman out. If he asks, the whole
village comes, and they bring food.
Once more. Let's all chip in. Yes. No,
it doesn't have to be fancy food. Back
then, we sometimes just prepared fried
noodles.
Yeah.
You know those Medan-style fried
noodles? They're super delicious.
Now, that’s what we prepared. Meaning
, I think that is good. But if it leads
to what was mentioned earlier—getting
into debt because...
Uh, what’s it called? People come to
the house to recite Yasin and Tahlil.
Yes.
In the Betawi region, Sir, there's food
every night.
Hmm.
Food on the first night, second night,
third night.
I worry that it burdens the bereaved
family.
Yeah.
If a rich person is the one bereaved,
that's one thing. Oh, if they hire a
caterer.
If a wealthy person is bereaved, we can
tell them to provide plenty of food.
Like that, Umi. Well, it depends on
their ability. Yeah. What I’m talking
about is someone renting a small house
with seven children.
Yeah.
Right?
And they want to hold a Tahlilan.
I keep saying I’m not anti-Tahlilan.
I’m happy to see people doing
Tahlilan. I think it’s perfectly fine
. But when it’s done to the point of
burdening the bereaved family...Ah,
this is something we really need to
rethink. Or like the Batak way, where
the Kahanggi or, what do I call it...
The neighborhood head.
They have their own customs.
Innalillahi wa inna ilaihi rojiun.
Someone passed away in the village
today. In Medan, we have something
called STM.
What’s that?
It stands for" Serikat Tolong-Menolong
"(Mutual Aid Society). Hmm.
So if someone makes an announcement,
announced at the mosque, that so-and-so
has passed away, this mutual aid fund
automatically kicks in.
Hm.
The amount in that envelope is up to
the family to decide. But usually, a
minimum is set, for example, at least
5,000 IDR is put in. If 5,000 times 300
households, how much is that? Yeah.
Ah, then this money is collected and
given to that person, to the village
head, right. That village head. He
meets the bereaved family." Oh, uncle,
look, there is this much money, let's
use it to invite our relatives or kin,
all our people, to eat on the fourth
night. "Now that, sir, if that's what's
done, it's nice; it’s double comfort,
it’s already praying for them,
bringing people to eat at home, and the
food is free too. That one is actually
good. So I say, our civilization here
in Indonesia is indeed like this. When
talking about civilization, there is
influence from Western civilization,
and influence from Arab civilization.
Yes, that's how it is, right.
Yeah. Yeah.
Sayyid Muhammad Ali Al-Maliki, I once
asked him in his gathering, I was
present," Is Western civilization wrong
, Abuya? "To me, Sayyid Muhammad was a
very intelligent teacher in dialogue,
in my opinion. But my memory is that he
answered like this," Look, I don't say
Western civilization is wrong, but if
it were me, right, if it were me... ""
...
there is Western civilization, wearing
jeans isn't wrong, wearing a shirt
isn't wrong as long as the aurat is
covered, it’s covered. "" On the
other hand, there is the civilization
used by the Prophet. "
Hm."
Which civilization do you choose? "" If
I am asked, "I said," I choose the
Prophet's civilization. "" Ah, don't
blame me for choosing the Prophet's
civilization, right? "It's very common
for some teachers to say the
civilization is wrong, right? Sayyid
Muhammad said," I don't blame that
civilization. "He meant at that time,
he was asked about clothing.
There are people wearing shirts,
wearing jeans. Is that Western
civilization wrong? He said," It's not
wrong either. "Not everything in this
Western civilization is wrong. The hard
work they demonstrate, their
intelligence in learning, those are the
things we should emulate, Umi.
Yes. Not their shorts, not their music,
not their dancing style, not their
smoking style, not that. Sometimes we
visit a house, there's a minibar in the
house, there's whiskey, there's vodka,
and the host is a Hajj. H.
Our feelings get hurt a bit, what's
more, because there's this assumption
people have, like what I said, if
there's a podcast, it's cool.
Yes. That
if you make loose-leaf tea.
Hm.
That tea
is tacky." Tacky, "they say, right? I
apologize, I really apologize, what I'm
about to say is a bit crude. Please
forgive me. Eh, there is a habit among
Westerners, the squat toilet.
Yeah.
Uh, seated toilets.
Yeah.
There are urinals. That's right, Sis.
Yeah. Yeah.
At first, I was disgusted by these
kinds of things. But because I
eventually got used to it, okay, we
accept it. Now something even worse has
appeared. What is that" even worse "
thing? There are urinals now, Mr.
Krishna. When we finish peeing,
there’s no flush button.
Hm. Yeah.
So what? We get confused, we back away,
and the water comes out.
But people say this toilet is cool. I
said I’d slap your head. I said,"
Cool from where? "I said this is
misleading. I told the Ustadz, just
break it. Don't swallow everything
blindly. Not everything. True. Where on
earth did that story come from? Forgive
me for speaking a bit crudely. You
don't wash after urinating. That’s
only fit for goats.
Hmm.
That's true, Umi.
Yeah.
Now, about this" civilization "thing,
we shouldn't just copy everything; I
really didn't like seated toilets at
first.
But eventually I thought, oh well, just
use it. It is what it is, right? Yeah.
Now, seated toilets have appeared that
don't even use...what is it called...
something comes out from below, what
kind of thing is that?
This lacks, what kind of civilization
is this? The civilization of idiots, I
say. Really, what is that? Let me tell
you another story.
We enter a cool five-star hotel.
Yes, that's it.
It’s not just the toilet, I’m
getting a headache, you know Mr.
Krishna, I go in, five stars, cool,"
Cool, we’re in the Netherlands now. "
Cool. Cool. Then.
What happened? The bathroom has glass
walls, transparent.
Yeah.
We can be seen inside doing our
business. But they say this is the new
civilization. Civilization. Monkey
civilization, this is. I said," What
kind of new civilization is this? "I
said, ah, it means. Let’s not swallow
Western civilization blindly. Take the
good parts. They are diligent in
studying, inventing cameras, TVs, fans,
cellphones, for example.
But even for showering, oh, I said, I'm
embarrassed to shower here. He said,"
Ustadz, there's more. "
That in five-star hotels.
For the suite rooms, you know."
Their bathrooms can be as big as a
bedroom. "
True. Yeah.
Then, Ustadz, notice inside, inside
that area, there's a desk, right?
So, so, so.
There's a sofa, right?
It's inside there. Even though, what is
it, on the side, for example, that's
the toilet.
True.
And on the other side is the bathtub,
right? But it turns out, this is
because they only bathe once a week.
Ah, so that’s the story. They bathe
once a week. So it seems they want to
use their day off from work as a day to
soak in the bathtub, right? Then
afterwards, while thinking, while
chatting, doing their work. That's the
purpose of the table, this table is
bigger than that table over there.
So, we shouldn't just swallow every
civilization whole; take the good,
leave the bad.
The same goes for Arab culture, we must
be fair, what is not good about Arab
culture? Do you know what’s bad about
Arab people? They are stubborn.
Hmm.
Their stubbornness is extreme,
especially people from Mecca, it’s
truly unbearable.
Don't bring that to Indonesia, look at
those Ustaz who graduated from Arab
countries, they are stubborn on average
.
Why are they contaminated?
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Indeed.
They come back here, thinking only
their way is correct.
Period.
And that everyone else is wrong.
Yeah. Yeah.
Especially if they look down on you,
thinking," You only studied at Gontor
or just Tebuireng. "Yes, that mindset
emerges, so
it really is different.
Don't bring that here. Yeah.
So, some things in Arab culture are not
good. There are indeed aspects of Arab
culture that aren't good. What Arab
cultural habits do I think are not good
? In Arab countries, for example, when
we order,
they ask," Sir, what's the side dish? "
" Chicken, lamb, how much? "Arab people
usually order a whole one.
Hmm.
Because of the large portions, now you
can get the smallest portion, which is
a quarter of a chicken. I often order a
quarter, and they bring rice that's
enough for five people to eat. Oh, this
is real; if you don't believe me, let's
go for Umrah together and buy food
there.
What's not good about the Arab way is
when they eat the chicken but leave all
that rice behind.
Hmm, no.
It gets thrown away.
So it's wasteful.
That wastefulness is a bad Arab
cultural habit; don't imitate that.
The same thing happens in America. Hmm.
So, America is different from Germany.
Hmm.
In Germany, if we order too much food,
other people seeing us will get angry."
You are breaking the law. "
There is actually a law for it.
Yes. So, what is violated? They say,"
Eating like this means you are taking
away someone else's share of food. "Hmm
.
That is good.
Even if you think you can afford to pay
for it, you are still infringing on
someone else's rights.
Ah, I see.
Now, that German cultural practice is
correct.
That is correct.
Ah, imitate that. Why isn't that being
imitated?
Now, this American way is usually like
that, Ustaz.
Like in the Arab countries, yeah. When
eating, they feel that if they finish
the food,
they are poor.
Poor people finish everything. We are
even taught to clean our fingers.
Yeah.
But they don't. They are actually proud
if they don't finish their food. They
just toss it away.
Now, that is a bad civilization. But to
stay neutral in our discussion, if as
you said, Umi, the Germans went as far
as creating laws for it, that is the
culture we should emulate.
We should emulate it.
It must be emulated. Another thing,
when people see, Umi, the lights, do
you know what I mean, Umi? We are
starting to have green lights and red
lights for pedestrians here, too. Yeah.
They are starting to appear here.
But it seems no one is obeying them yet
.
That's the point.
In European countries,
Yeah.
I see they are already being obeyed. Ah
, if only that could be brought here.
If that could be brought over. What is
the response here?" Laws were made to
be broken, "after all.
Now, this
this way of thinking is what's wrong.
True. So, I strongly agree that if
we're talking about positive
civilization, let's bring it to our
country. And the negative things we
have, Umi, we shouldn't hold onto them
anymore. For example, what? What is the
worst culture of the Malay people, of
the people of the Archipelago, Mr.
Krisna?
Laziness. Period.
Laziness. Our people are incredibly
lazy. I have tried reading about it,
even if not too deeply. Including the
Malay race, they are a very lazy race.
Really lazy. It's even noted that
Indonesians or Jakartans are the people
who are most lazy when it comes to
walking. Hm.
Yeah.
Yes.
When it comes to walking, the nation
that enjoys walking the most turns out
to be
Turkey.
Huh?
Oh, Turkey.
Turkey.
Turkey. When Turkey looks at us in
terms of walking, they laugh at us.
Hm.
They say," Ah, you are pathetic. Your
people are weak. We in Turkey walk
everywhere. "
Yeah. That’s better.
And for our people, after walking a few
meters, they’re already taking a car,
a motorcycle, using Gojek, or whatever
is available now.
So now,
if we can eliminate this lazy culture,
we will become an incredibly great
nation. Ah, speaking of the village,
because I'm the one who can see it in
the village. Look at the village; a
husband says goodbye to his wife to go
to the rice fields. Before reaching the
fields, at the intersection leading
there, there's usually a coffee shop.
They stop by the coffee shop first.
Yeah.
What do they order? Coffee, fried
bananas, sticky rice. Do you know
sticky rice?
Yeah.
We have a term for it there. With flour
, a little salt, coffee, and fried
bananas.
That coffee. Uh, the sticky rice is
finished,
the fried snacks are gone. Yeah.
The coffee is almost gone, just add hot
water.
Then where is the drink?
This is a drink too. Wait, continue the
eventually it becomes two glasses,
right?
Ah, two glasses, but these two glasses
of coffee still have the coffee grounds
in them, right? Just add hot water,
they say.
So, who was it that left first? It was
the husband who left, right?
The wife was already at the rice field
working, and the husband didn't show up
until what time? He didn't arrive until
11:30.
Oh my God.
At 11:30, he told his wife," Let's eat.
"So the husband and wife ate, then
smoked. They smoked' galan 'cigarettes,
which in the village are like the red
Gudang Garam; it takes about 45 minutes
to finish one.
Oh my God.
Take a break first.
When do they actually work?
When do they get to work?
When do they pray?
Ah, that's just how the situation was.
So, this culture of laziness must be
eliminated.
Yes.
Our culture of community is great if
it’s positive. Our social culture is
good, like how we nurture and carry our
children. Our Indonesian social culture
of greeting others is good.
Yeah. Yeah.
I think compared to other nations, our
culture of greeting is better.
That is something we must preserve.
Yeah.
We should preserve that. But as for the
negative cultures in Indonesia, do you
know what they are? Yeah.
Dangdut shows. Yeah.
Well, if we talk about that, it’s
really bad.
Have you ever heard about it, Umi?
There was a dangdut artist who danced
with a snake and got bitten—the snake
died.
Huh? Seriously?
That was a long time ago.
It happened in Karawang.
Oh, I see.
She danced with a snake.
She was known for her" snake dance, "
but the handler forgot to chant the
spells.
Maybe the snake didn't get its fee, so
it got angry.
That could be it. I don't know if it
was in the Betawi area or Java. In my
father's hometown, Mr. Krisna. Every
event involves a dangdut show.
Any event, a circumcision—dangdut.
A wedding—dangdut, leaving for Hajj
—dangdut.
A child graduating from college—
dangdut.
It makes no sense at all.
There’s no correlation. If there’s
no dangdut, it’s not lively. So, oh
...Especially since I'm Malay. I am
Malay. Sometimes we see people hosting
dangdut shows even when their house is
falling apart.
Hmm.
But the dangdut goes on anyway. That is
a mistaken culture.
They even set up the stage at a
landfill site.
Oh my God. May God have mercy. If the
dangdut is like Bang Roma’s,
it’s decent enough to watch. We can
say that, right?
Yeah.
But these artists are half-naked.
Oh my goodness. The songs...aren't good
at all. But if the singer wears a hijab
and sings modest songs, no one comes.
But if they wear tight clothes, it gets
crowded, and everyone stares. That’s
our culture that’s gone wrong. There
are so many cultures; just take the
positive ones. Yes.
Take the positive culture. It has its
benefits. Positive things we can
discuss, benefits for health of course,
we take the benefits for our social
order, we take the benefits for our
social life, and what's more, the
benefits for our religion, oh, we'll
take it.
Culture that conflicts with health,
throw it away, for example, what is it?
Smoking.
H.
That is also part of Indonesian culture
, isn't it?
Yeah.
Indonesia is among those with the most
smokers in the world, right?
Yes. And the owners of the cigarette
factories, they don't smoke.
Their children don't smoke either.
Smoking. Is that a good culture?
If we use common sense, it's not good.
Right? Moreover, a culture that is
detrimental to social life, like being
quiet and not greeting each other,
that's bad for social life, not good.
A culture that is wrong for religion,
such as lewdness, drunkenness, clubbing
, discos. Wrong according to religion
too, Ustadz. Getting into debt.
Yeah. That's true.
So this is strange. People become proud
when they open their wallets, right?
And there are layers of what you call
credit cards.
Credit cards.
Proud. Proud. Showing them off on
purpose to people, saying that they are
what, Ustadz? Trusted by the bank. Used
by the bank.
Trusted by them.
Actually being used by the bank.
So if they don't have credit, it means
they aren't trusted by the bank, right?
So if they have up to 10 credit cards,
it's like, wow, right? It means they
are trusted by the bank. So they are a
chosen person.
But this culture of being in debt is
already too much, we are truly sick
with this debt. Why do you say that? If
you come to eat at the mall using cash,
there's rarely a discount. Yes.
We go to the mall, to which restaurant?
The big restaurants. We say we have
cash, there's no discount. That waiter
says," Do you have this credit card,
sir? If you have this card, there's a
discount, sir. 110%off for a month. "
He.
How can we not get into debt, it’s
becoming what you call it? Becoming.
Increasingly.
Spreading and becoming.
And the contract is long, the writing
is tiny.
Yeah. The terms and conditions text is
so small, we're too lazy to read it.
That's it.
Now, this.
When we try to make a claim, we can't.
Not only that, Umi. Now, if you talk
about debt, someone comes driving a
Mercedes-Benz, they're proud, turns out
they're in debt.
Hm.
Right.
Yes.
That's what ends up happening, right?
Hm.
Driving a nice car, looking good, turns
out it's debt,
Bank. H.
Proud, acting like a rich person,
strutting around.
Sitting with us, they take out an
iPhone X, it turns out what, Umi? It's
debt.
Forgive me for saying this, but I'm
afraid even their underwear is on
credit.
So this culture of debt, now Umi, when
I give lectures, I often say, don't get
into debt anymore in your life.
According to the Prophet, at the very
least, our living facilities should be
something that truly matches our
ability and life needs.
Yes.
That's safe.
Ha, as the people in my village in
Malay say, don't let the expenses
exceed the income.
Yeah.
Heh. Spending more than you earn.
Yeah.
The post is small but the load is heavy
.
What happens then?
It collapses. This debt culture is...
It gives us a headache just talking
about it. Suddenly people are
auctioning their houses because they're
being chased by debt collectors.
Auctioning off cars because of debt
collectors.
That's it.
So, working day and night.
Yeah.
Just to pay bank interest. I'm telling
you, this is from my own life
experience. I bought a car on credit, I
bought a house on credit. Back then, I
fell for the theory you mentioned, Umi.
I was young too, right?
Yeah.
Oh, that's not right. And just like
that, because the bank trusted me, they
said...
The first victim is claimed.
But now it's almost paid off.
Now it's...
Oh, we can't sleep soundly. Wow, we
struggle.
Waking up in the morning, thinking
today I must make this much, right?
That amount makes my heart ache even
more, Mia. I read the credit process,
Mr. Krisna.
The actual price of the house was only
500 million.
Hm.
What I will pay back later in
installments is nearly 800 million.
I pay the installment of 3.7 million
per month. That, for the principal, is
only 600,000. So 3.1 million goes to
the bank. So it's not just a loan shark
anymore.
It's bloodsucking.
If it's a leech, it's still small,
right?
When a leech is full, it detaches, Umi.
But this bloodsucking just keeps
sucking. But like I said, only those
chosen by Allah. I feel grateful, so
thankful to Allah, Mi. I was given the
awareness so that until today, I don't
do that anymore. There's nothing left,
my ATM is just for what do you call it?
Just for transit.
Yes. For transit purposes.
I don't keep money in the ATM, just for
technical stuff.
Oh yes, just technical matters. Like
now, when we go to the toll road, we
can't do it unless we use, what is it
called?
E-toll, we can't do it otherwise, right
? Just use that. For everything else, I
use cash. Yeah.
For example, sometimes when we go to
the airport, if we use a credit card,
there's a lounge that's free if we have
enough points.
No. I say I'll pay cash.
Now, Ustaz, if these debts are not
straightened out, it will endanger the
life of a community, a nation. What's
an example, Ustaz? Yeah.
Let's look at our neighbor, it's not
far. Singapore.
Oh, right. Yes.
In Singapore, Ustaz, you can have a
suitcase or even a warehouse full of
money.
Yeah.
But if you take that money to a car
dealership. You want to buy a car, you
say" I want to buy it cash. "
You can't.
No, you can't.
It's not allowed. Your money is not
accepted.
Lailahaillallah. What they actually
serve is if you want to take a loan. If
the Ustaz doesn't want to take a loan,
the car won't be sold. Innalillahi wa
inna ilaihi raji'un.
How much of a loan does the Ustaz want?
Let’s hope that doesn't happen in our
country.
Yeah. That’s the one. Don’t let
that happen. And they say that life in
Singapore is supported by the banking
system. Where would banks get their
money if not from interest? Yeah.
So the government there really protects
the banks. Why? Because it's needed for
the country's survival.
The country's survival. They really
need it since they have no agriculture
or natural resources.
They don't have them.
Hopefully, that won’t happen in our
country; let's hope it doesn't reach
that point. But just be careful.
For example, if we go to buy a
motorcycle and say we're paying cash,
the clerk...
isn't interested.
Not interested. But if we say" credit,
"they're interested.
Yeah.
It’s strange, it’s already like
this. Ah, this is not a good culture.
Even the down payment...
for example, if the government
regulates a down payment of, say, 30%.
Yeah.
The dealers will just manipulate it
again,
make it smaller,
or let the down payment be paid in
installments.
It's the same with houses, too.
True.
Just so they can get people to take
credit.
To take credit. So that is a bad
culture.
Yeah.
I don’t really support that.
Clearly. It clearly chokes the neck.
Chokes the neck. But if you buy a house
with cash, it’s good.
Buying a car with cash is good. Yes,
Allah knows best.
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also Umi Irene Handono, discussing the
manipulation of civilization. Now,
Ustaz, Zain Hadi once shared something
else that isn't good in Indonesia, sir.
At gas stations, the prayer room and
the restroom are side by side.
Yeah.
That's not—it's not ethical.
Oh.
So the signs say" Prayer Room "and"
Restroom, "they're right...
next to each other.
They should be...
placed separately, right?
Yeah. It shouldn't be like that.
There's a difference between a prayer
room and a toilet. H. Okay. What else
is concerning, Umi?
If we pay close attention, there are
actually a great many things we worry
about. For example, the most common one
among my circle, women.
Yes.
That is, cosmetics.
Oh, yes, that's true. Oh my God.
Regarding cosmetics, people often don't
consider anything. As long as the
advertisement
the advertisement is impressive. Often,
what's it called, the cost for ads is
larger than the production.
Billions of that
billions of that. And then any kind of
material is used in them. Halal or
haram is no longer a consideration. But
often, because it's cheap, well, just
use it. Now, that is what is truly very
damaging, right. Then it continues to
social interactions. These social
interactions seem as if, if we're not
careful, we'd think," Oh, being cool is
better than being a Muslim. "If they
meet, their eyes are cast down, heads
bowed. It seems impolite, not wanting
to look in the eye, they say so. If
it's teenagers, but if it's with
non-Muslims, it's pleasant, gentle.
Face-to-face, the face is visible, and
the eyes too. But actually, this gaze
in our religion should be guarded.
Guarded.
Now, that's extraordinary if we analyze
it that way.
Yes, that's true. Now, if nowadays
children go out, excuse me, let alone
going out, what's it called, with their
partners, that's already dangerous. But
in the current times, excuse me, man
with man, woman with woman, that's also
dangerous.
Right? That's why in our religion it's
stated that traveling should be done by
three people.
Three people, but dating, well, this
dating has become a culture in our
country.
It has become a culture in our society.
It seems like it's some sort of
necessity.
Even, forgive me, Ustaz, there are, for
example, in our country, parents get
anxious if their daughter isn't having
a Saturday night date.
Saturday night date, true."
She's not being courted, not being
courted, "they say, Mi. Strange.
Very strange.
Strange.
We should be worried about our children
.
Now, especially if the younger sibling
already has someone courting them.
Oh, it gets even worse. Already a story
.
It gets even worse." How come the older
sister hasn't been courted yet? "
Yeah.
This is a case of a victim I happen to
know.
Yeah.
So the victim fell for it, here's the
story. The older sister
wasn't being courted. The younger
sister was being courted. Even the
younger brother was already going to
his girlfriend's house every Saturday
night.
The older sister still didn't have
anyone.
The older sister didn't have anyone yet
. What happened in the end? Mental
burden, right. The child had a mental
burden. Her mother, too, sorry, her
mother was someone already considered a
religious teacher.
Yeah. Then, feeling pride, this child
was then approached by a non-Muslim.
who was tasked with carrying out a
mission.
There is no god but Allah.
And this non-Muslim carrying out the
mission actually already had a wife.
Oh.
Approached.
H.
What was done, they dated. Dated. Ah,
she was already happy dating. The
important thing is to have a boyfriend
first. Have a boyfriend first. Yeah.
Instead of being alone on a Saturday
night, it's better to have a boyfriend,
you can go anywhere together, eat
together, watch movies together, go to
the disco together, right.
Yes.
And then it reached the point where
they had to get married.
Uh-huh.
If they didn't marry, there would be
something happened.
Something happened. Hm. Uh.
This marriage, she's an Ustazah, her
reputation as an Ustazah is now
tarnished.
Uh-huh.
Emotional burden. And then, the person
in question was apparently a diabetic.
A diabetic.
Uh-huh. Not long after, well, a
person's life is in God's hands, her
husband passed away. Uh.
Meaning the Ustazah has to be the
breadwinner of the family now. Finally,
because her diabetes became severe one
day, her child suggested a,
quote-unquote, solution. Her husband,
the non-Muslim who carried out the
mission.
Uh-huh.
Said it's easy. Just tell Mom to go to
church. The church wants to help. Come
and receive some millions. Yeah. Some
millions for the sick. That was it. And
what happened then? She became
dependent on it for her life.
Eventually, it reached that point for
the person concerned. Then, indeed,
life is in God's hands. She passed away
. Sorry, let me go back a little bit to
the severe part. Finally, what happened
? To get the allowance and help, while
she was sick, she was baptized. That
was all because of
the worry that her child wouldn't be
it started from there.
Innalillahi wa inna ilaihi raji'un.
Then she was baptized. After being
baptized, she died. After she died,
then what? Well, Muslims wouldn't want
to perform the funeral prayer for her.
So she was buried according to
buried in accordance with
the baptism. Just think.
It started from
the child
not being courted.
Not being courted.
Innalillah.
I think we should move straight to this
SMS.
All right, all right, all right.
There is one coming in.
Peace be upon you, Umi Irena, Mother
Irena, and Ustaz Salman. I am Bunda
Nisah. I live in Bali. I'm watching
through YouTube streaming. Bunda, I'm
listening and also watching, it's
really good. The question is, why are
so many people selling kitchenware on
credit door-to-door now?
And the sellers are Muslims, and so are
the buyers. Including me, I've bought
them too. What do you think, Umi Irena
and Ustaz Salman? Bali.
Uh-huh. Alhamdulillah, it can reach
Bali. Umi, answer first, then Ustaz.
Please go ahead.
So, first of all, my dear. Let's
examine this. First of all, let's
instill in ourselves that we can buy
things within our means and reach.
The second recipe, we must ask
ourselves and honestly admit it. Do we
actually need the item?
Or is it just a desire?
Or just a desire. We might already have
one and buy another.
Or perhaps the item isn't needed.
Meaning it's like this, Mr. Krista. If
we can't function without that item,
right? Then we must buy it.
Yes.
For example, if someone is selling,
selling what, someone brings it.
But don't let us be wasteful.
Just because of, what is it called? A
salesperson. Uh-huh.
Salespeople, well, they are meant to
sell things, you know.
Yeah.
We have to understand that.
The translation for sales is just to
sell, right?
So they are indeed learning the science
of selling.
Yes.
And they are targeted every day on how
much they must sell.
Yeah.
If they don't hit their targets, they
get fired. That's it. That is what we
must be aware of, so we don't end up,
sorry, pardon me.
Huh.
Don't let our pockets have holes, don't
go into debt, just to buy stuff on
credit.
That's why.
Huh.
Go ahead, Ustadz.
That has been happening in villages for
a long time.
Yeah, exactly.
Those guys come by on their bikes,
writing things down in that long book,
you know the one?
That's their signature.
They’re all like that.
It's the same here, they write down,"
Mr. Salman bought a pan. "
If the pan at home is already leaking,
we can patch it up; once it’s been
patched four or five times, it’s
reasonable to buy a new one.
Hmm.
Even if we end up going into debt, the
Prophet once went into debt for
necessities, so I say if it’s still
for basic needs, it’s allowed because
it was exemplified by the Prophet. But
if you go into debt for luxury, for
pleasure, or just for a desire, that is
not allowed. That is a bad culture.
Yeah.
If we already have a pan at home, just
wait a while. Don't be so impulsive.
Sometimes, mothers in the village, just
because they finished harvesting, they
buy everything.
There you go.
That’s what happens in the villages.
Get paid on the 25th, and all the
credit collectors show up—clothes
collectors, kitchenware collectors—by
the 10th the money is gone, and from
the 11th to the 25th, they are back in
debt. Don't be like that. So my answer
remains the same. If it is still a
necessity, go ahead, but measure if you
can afford to pay it back. But if it's
just a desire, just to add to a
glassware collection. For example,
sometimes people think," Oh, those
glasses are so pretty. "
Hmm."
If it were me, I'd think, I still have
glasses at home. "" No need to buy
glasses. "Go home. Ah, like that, right
? No need. Ah, exactly. So, hopefully,
the lady in Bali can encourage our
brothers and sisters in Bali or anyone
listening to us, whether on YouTube or
the radio. Teach our friends, instill
in them the understanding that debt is
the last resort for living.
So.
You could say, avoid debt.
Yes. Because a person in debt is not a
noble person, right?
Because our religious teachings are
clear: it is better for the hand to be
on top than to be reaching out.
Yeah.
It is better to be the one who gives.
Yeah. Not.
Not to be the one holding out their
hand. That is not right. Even if in the
business world now, you are called a
lucky person, Sir or Ma'am. Trusted to
owe, and you.
Brother is actually trapping us.
Yes, that's right. Only God knows.
Next question. But this has nothing to
do with our theme, right? Peace be upon
you, Umi Renandono. Is it true that
Pope John Paul converted to Islam? I
found it on Google and already
forwarded it to Rasil radio. Thank you
from Mr. Munawir in Bogor.
Never believe things like that. That
usually comes from irresponsible people
who would then say, um, what's it
called?" See, look, it's Islam, isn't
it? "So we are just being tricked by
issues like that. Like the Pope who, um
, what's it called, supposedly
converted to Islam in...
where? In the news, it was said he
converted to Islam. That is a big lie.
Just look at how people pray, whether
the right hand is on top or the left
hand is on top. He he.
Now, look, the Pope actually had his
left hand on top.
Hm. H.
See, that's visible in the video, I
have it to prove that the news is a
hoax. It was when he visited the Blue
Mosque. And that visit was what they
claimed meant he converted to Islam.
It's not true, right?
That comes from irresponsible people.
And, um, then never forget. So, um, the
visit was intended to see the Gospel of
Barnabas
that is in Turkey.
The one in Turkey, yes. This is
Istanbul. He went to Istanbul first,
but the excuse was because he was
already in Turkey, he went to Ankara.
From Istanbul to Ankara. Why did he
need to go to Ankara? Using ethnography
for what? To witness firsthand, between
him and his inner circle and the
experts he brought, looking at it to
see if it's authentic.
Hm.
It turned out they said it was indeed
authentic, and then a high-level
negotiation began. That negotiation was
very smooth.
To take it there.
For what? To be bought for however much
they wanted to pay. But the Turkish
government also said," No matter how
much, we have no objection to caring
for this because we found it in our own
land. "So let it remain with us. They
wanted to pay any amount, but the
excuse was," We don't want to trouble
you, "right?" We want to take this to
the Vatican. "But it was answered
kindly. Um, high-level diplomacy, as I
said, and after that, don't forget,
don't believe in hoax news anymore. So,
um, after that, if we go to the
ethnography museum in Ankara today, the
Gospel of Barnabas is no longer there,
it's not on display.
Then where is it located? Those who
know, please. Only if you become a
high-ranking official in Turkey would
you know, because it is kept by the
Turkish Army.
Because the army stated that we have an
obligation to protect this country,
to maintain the security of this
country." Hand it over to us and we
will guard it. "
H.
Why? Yeah, they all know that if they
didn't want to negotiate earlier, the
consequence could just be the
ethnography being bombed.
Yeah, could it be that the Gospel would
then consume souls, for what? To be
robbed, for instance, and various other
things. Yet why is it maintained by the
Turkish government? Well, I personally
perceive the Gospel of Barnabas as a
trump card for the Turkish government.
A trump card in the sense that one day
it will be very useful if they try
something. Then the Turkish government
can just tell them," How about I open
it and it’s over? "Done." How about
if I translate this and it becomes
known to the world? "Finished. Okay.
Alright, let's go to the next SMS. It
seems Ms. Lela Maulagani is listening
to us.
She provided a response. Peace be upon
you.
Umena, Ustaz Salma, and Mr. Krishna.
I want to mention in my book titled"
Difference is a Blessing. "I am trying
to dig into the reasons behind cultural
differences. Usually, a culture is
maintained. Don't call here. This is
lost. This
usually a culture is maintained based
on considerations deemed good by the
society in that culture. For example,
the culture of eating large or small
portions or touching the head or
certain body parts. In society A, it is
considered taboo, in society B, it is
considered affection and honor. I agree
that as Muslims, we need to clearly dig
, sort, and choose which culture is
most appropriate according to the
Islamic religion. A little more, it
seems we also need to dig into the
culture of laziness. Does the culture
of laziness have a connection to gender
? Because when the male culture is lazy
, then women need to work extra hard to
meet the family's needs. Like what was
discussed in the study about husbands
who, uh, go to the fields until 11:30
AM. Sharing it. Thank you, Ms. Lea
Monika Nim.
Thank you. Thank you.
Subhanallah, Ms. Leela is listening too
, it seems.
Yes, we, I wasn't reading a book about
laziness earlier, but I observed Umi.
Yeah.
I watch that every day in my village.
That's why I said it, and apparently,
it's not different. When I stop by
other villages, for example,
I once stopped by the island of
Kalimantan in a village.
Yeah.
On this island of Java, in several
villages.
Yeah. In Nusa Tenggara, I once saw that
model of a lazy person in my village.
That's why I said the Malay people, I
consider this to be all over the
archipelago.
Yeah.
Yeah. Hopefully, Ms. Lela, if you
really have the book, the book will
spread so that this culture of laziness
disappears from our villages.
Lela is a communication expert.
It's dangerous. Yeah. The danger of
such laziness. Why? With the existing
adversity, often, uh, something unwise
happens in responding to it. It means
like this, earlier there was a lazy
person, right?
Yeah, uh, what, after, what is it
called, having coffee, right?
Leaving the house saying they're going
to the field,
but at the junction to the field, there
is a coffee shop, stop there first,
stopped for coffee, ordered a glass of
coffee,
one fried banana, one portion of sticky
rice.
The sticky rice is gone, the coffee is
gone, everything is gone, he says," Hey
Butet, bring a glass of hot water. "
So two glasses, stirred again, so it
uses bitter coffee.
H
Make more, smoke, chat again.
What they talk about later is politics.
"
This Minister of Home Affairs is really
stupid. "" Why is he like that? "" Yeah
, the even stupider one is our Minister
of Agriculture, exporting things when
we're about to harvest. "So, so if I
watch, sorry Bang Karni Ilias. So if I
watch Karni Ilias's ILC,
I say this is like a committee in a
coffee shop.
But
it's just that in the ILC there's a"
but ".
They're smart, right? That's the only
difference.
But there is a" but ".
Yeah.
This, if Umi looks at Karni Ilias, this
ILC show has its good points.
Yes, because they are smart. If in the
village, right, the ones who are just
great
like if the ones in ILC guided by Mr.
Kar are Mahfud MD
yeah, you could say the quality of
their speech is appropriate, right?
This one drinks two glasses of coffee,
adds water, leaves his wife in the
village, in the fields working the farm
, while he talks about politics,
politics, politics.
Now, after that, the husband is lazy.
Yeah.
The wife is struggling, right?
Struggling.
And it's still not enough, right?
It seems those experiencing this are
not just one or two people, not 10, not
100 people, no.
It's a whole village, whereas Indonesia
is
full of villages.
Villages, there are hundreds of
thousands of them, right? Combined.
Now, sorry, eventually, sorry, the
leader. Oh, sorry, eventually the
leader. Yes, correct.
I'm talking about leaders; every family
has a leader in their household, right?
Yeah.
So, and remember, in our religion, the
leader is the first one to be held
accountable, right?
Don't let them make wrong policies.
Correct. Husband and wife, like I said,
the leader wants to find a solution. If
the solution sought is a solution." Ah,
okay, if so, just borrow, be a trusted
person, "right? Borrowing again.
That's where it starts.
Borrowing constantly. Eventually, if we
just borrow, borrow pots, borrow what?
Borrow what?
This, Mr. K, can you imagine if an
individual borrows? Now, if a whole
neighborhood borrows, neighborhood debt
, sub-district debt, city debt, regency
debt, provincial debt, state debt, and
so on. Wow, this is...Hopefully, this
lazy culture disappears from our
villages.
Yes, hopefully so. Okay.
Assalamualaikum Salman and Rono. Our
child once had an incident. We went to
a friend's house spontaneously but were
turned away because there was no
appointment.
Hm. Yeah.
Because the idea is like foreigners. If
foreigners, if you want to go to their
house,
you make an appointment first.
Make an appointment first, then call.
He comes out of the blue, now you can't
, you didn't have an appointment with
me.
Like a Westerner, it's said. You don't
want to receive him?
Yeah. So it means we really have to be
wise, right. Wise in what way? For
example, if we know that the person we
are visiting is tied to work hours,
it’s not wrong for them, if it’s
working hours, they have to say that
they...
I'm working." I apologize, I'm working,
"but the way it's delivered. Don't say,
" You...you...you came, I didn't have
an appointment with you. "" Just go
home, "it shouldn't be like that. Right
.
No, in our religion, for example, if a
guest comes to my house—I often have
guests who arrive without an
appointment.
Yeah.
But we wouldn't say" go home, "right?
We invite them in, we...
give them coffee, or water, right? Then
we say," I apologize, Sir, I have an
activity. "
Now, that's how it should be.
If they still want to stay at the house
, that's fine. If the guest is a
married couple, for instance, there's
our wife, so it's fine.
But if the guest is a man, of course...
"
I apologize, I have to go, let's just
chat on the way, "like that.
Especially if the person who came can
drive, right." Oh, let's go together, I
have a lecture at this place, let's
chat. "" You drive then. "
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Back to wisdom again.
Ah, wisdom. Mashallah. Mashallah.
Okay. Subhanallah. Palman and Umi Rondo
. It seems we are limited by time.
Yeah.
Mm. Perhaps there is a conclusion or
final words you'd like to share, Umi or
Brother.
As for the conclusion, let Umi have the
last word. But I agree with what Bu
Laela Monaganim said earlier, or what
was said from the beginning by Umi Rena
Handono, that we must be wise in
viewing culture.
Yeah.
Yeah. Meaning, we mentioned several
examples of Western culture that we
call wrong. Wrong, as in can be
considered from the perspective of
health or everything else, right? Yeah.
But if Western culture is good to adopt
, that's fine, right? Yeah.
Respecting red lights, that's fine.
Yeah.
Now, same thing with Arab culture. If
it's not good, then don't do it.
Yeah.
Even our archipelago's culture, if it's
not good, leave it.
Yeah.
But if it's a positive culture, please
take it from the West, from our
archipelago, or from the Arabs. So, be
wise and sagacious in viewing culture.
So, what is" tasyabuh "(imitation) that
is not allowed?
Oh my, if we discuss tasyabuh, it's
already 11:00. Look, let's try to
discuss tasyabuh later. Why is tasyabuh
poorly understood by many people
learning religion?
Okay, if that's the case, let's do
tasyabuh next month. Because we said
earlier that we can take these cultures
. It will indeed give rise to tasyabuh
later. But I don't, we are not bringing
up tasyabuh because we are just
discussing cultures that are not good
to be abandoned. H
Good cultures should be used.
Tasyabuh must be discussed thoroughly,
it cannot be done at the very end.
Okay.
Okay. Thank you, Mr. Krisna.
Umi, is there anything else you would
like to convey? So we must understand
God's blessings for us and let us
always be grateful
that indeed
God's gift has made us the Indonesian
nation.
So do not abandon our identity as the
Indonesian nation.
Be proud to be Indonesian.
Why? Because right now, I'm sorry to
say, due to the condition of our
country which is, quote-unquote, full
of stains. Sometimes Indonesians who
are traveling abroad, when asked who
they are, they are prouder to be called
Malaysian than Indonesian.
Especially for example Indonesia, oh
that one. Well, that doesn't feel good,
right? But regardless, let us who have
seen the mess of this nation. We each
have families, rights, obligations,
responsibilities, and remember God's
warning or God's mandate to us. Let us
remember the letter At-Tahrim. Qul
anfusakum wa ahlikum naro. Save
yourselves and your families from the
hellfire. This means we are all
responsible for our families. That is
why let us make improvements. It is
very frightening if Indonesians do not
understand that they were destined by
God to be born as Indonesians. So we
were given a task by God, a mandate, an
obligation for what? to bring out the
quality of being a good Indonesian, as
good Muslims. Because Islam is a
religion for all of humanity. So what
is it like for an Indonesian to have
faith? Without abandoning, of course,
without leaving their Indonesian
identity. And what is this Indonesian
identity like? That is what we must
find. This is what we must bring out.
Don't let us, pardon me, let's take an
example of our neighbor, not far from
our neighbor. For example, the
Philippines.
The Philippines was once if we look at
the history of the Philippines, it used
to be Islamic the Murung kingdom. But
because of an identity crisis. So there
were many events they experienced,
starting from the economic sector until
it spread to politics and finally
collapsed. After collapsing, they then
had a wrong way of thinking. They
thought Islam was a religion for people
as they were accused. So the terrorists
are lazy Islam, you know. Whereas as
Ustaz Salman said, many Malay people
had to leave their Malay culture,
that's not right, as I mentioned
earlier. So it's not because being
Malay is wrong, right,
it's not because Islam is wrong. Now,
this is what we must understand. So
then what? An identity crisis occurred,
so they became prouder of the West. As
for the Philippines, what happened in
the end? They went to church. The
church entered, and eventually, the
Philippines, which was once the largest
Muslim nation, changed to become the
largest Catholic one.
Huh.
What happened after that? In the
Philippines, for instance, if the
church is unhappy with the president
today, then be prepared, because within
just a few days that president will
fall, and the ones leading the protests
are the church leaders themselves. They
immediately take to the streets, and
it's over that same day. Now, it's the
opposite for us, they say there is a
criminalization of clerics emerging.
Now, clerics are being murdered, and
they say it's done by mentally ill
people.
Huh.
This is exactly like the year '98. Back
then, those being murdered were, uh,
black magic practitioners. The killings
of black magic practitioners in East
Java. Yet, who was actually being
killed? The Ustaz and Ustazah, the
Quranic teachers.
Okay.
That's a bonus, then. So this is a bit
off-topic.
Yeah.
Alright. Uh, thank you, Umen Nonono.
Ustaz Salman. That was our Friday
dialogue. Hopefully, what was conveyed
earlier provides insight for us all.
Hopefully, it serves as a reflection
for us all. Thank you. Don't forget,
tomorrow is Saturday, what is the date
tomorrow? February 3rd, right?
There will be Ling Cenkung gymnastics.
Oh, right.
At...o'clock. Morning, held at the
Silaturahim pavilion courtyard.
Silaturahim for everyone, for grandma
and grandpa, please come. This isn't
just regular gymnastics; it's a
therapeutic healing exercise.
Yes.
It lasts 35 minutes. Please feel free
to come tomorrow morning at...o'clock
at the Silaturahim pavilion courtyard
across the way. Radio Silaturahim.
Alright, thank you all for your
attention. I am Muhammad Krishna, along
with Zain, uh, Zulfikar, and Atep. We
take our leave. Wabillahi taufik
walhidayah. Wasalamualaikum
warahmatullahi wabarakatuh.