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0:05 Brail TV. 0:11 Brothers and sisters. In this morning's 0:14 news dialogue, we are highlighting the 0:16 report that the KPK has confirmed that 0:19 employees who failed the civic 0:21 knowledge test, or TWK, are being 0:23 offered jobs at state-owned enterprises 0:25 . We will now ask for comments from 0:29 Bang Novel Baswedan. We are now 0:31 connected. Peace be upon you and 0:33 Allah's mercy and blessings, Bang Novel 0:35 . How do you respond to the various 0:38 opinions circulating regarding job 0:40 placement for KPK employees who did not 0:42 pass the civic knowledge test? In your 0:46 opinion, how do you respond to the 0:49 stance of the KPK and also the 0:51 government's response? 0:54 Peace be upon you too and Allah's mercy 0:55 and blessings. Mas Angga. Look, we must 0:59 place all these things within their 1:01 norms and clear principles. First, we 1:06 know there were unlawful, illegal, and 1:10 manipulative practices, as stated by 1:14 the National Commission on Human Rights 1:18 and the Ombudsman, in the 1:21 implementation of the TWK, which was 1:25 then used to remove 75 specific KPK 1:29 employees. That was the result of the 1:33 investigation or examination conducted 1:35 by the National Commission on Human 1:37 Rights and the Ombudsman. So, when 1:41 actions are carried out through such 1:44 inappropriate means, how can they be 1:47 accepted as the truth? That is the 1:50 first thing. The second is related to 1:55 the TWK process. Regarding this TWK 2:00 process, aside from the problematic 2:03 regulations, we know the Constitutional 2:05 Court and the Supreme Court eventually 2:07 validated it, saying it was permissible 2:10 . But we need to remember that the 2:14 Supreme Court and Constitutional Court 2:17 only validated the norms. This means 2:21 the regulations were validated, but 2:23 they did not address the problematic 2:25 implementation. This means that even 2:30 though the Constitutional Court and 2:32 Supreme Court have made decisions, it 2:34 does not change anything from the 2:36 results found by the National 2:37 Commission on Human Rights and the 2:39 Ombudsman. So, that is related to the 2:43 TWK issue. The same applies to the TWK 2:46 results. There is not a single 2:50 regulation that can be used as a legal 2:53 basis stating that if one does not pass 2:56 the TWK, they must leave the KPK. That 2:59 does not exist. If we follow legal 3:03 principles, as well as the President's 3:06 directive conveyed in his press 3:08 conference, that those who do not pass 3:11 the TWK should be given training, and 3:14 that has happened with 18 of our 3:17 colleagues who were willing to undergo 3:20 training at the Ministry of Defense, 3:25 and they were then declared to have 3:27 passed and could be inaugurated. Seeing 3:32 that, this removal should not be 3:35 tolerated because it was carried out in 3:38 a manipulative, illegal, and unlawful 3:41 way, and there is no rule that can be 3:44 used as a basis for dismissal. 3:49 Regarding what you asked, Mas Angga, 3:51 about the attempts to offer jobs or ask 3:54 for resignations only to then offer 3:56 placement. It must be understood that 4:01 my colleagues at the KPK, including 4:04 myself, chose to be at the KPK not just 4:06 for the sake of working. If it were 4:11 only about work, many colleagues 4:12 already had careers elsewhere before. 4:15 For example, I was in the police force, 4:17 and I entered the police through the 4:19 Military Academy path. If it were about 4:23 a career in the police or the Military 4:25 Academy, that is the top-level path, 4:27 right. It wasn’t just me; several 4:30 others and my colleagues from the 4:32 military academy were there too. When 4:36 choosing to join the KPK, the 4:38 orientation wasn't just about looking 4:41 for a job, but rather a desire to fight 4:44 to eradicate corruption. What kind of 4:48 corruption? Extraordinarily severe 4:50 corruption. A problem that is so 4:54 devastating and dangerous to the 4:57 interests of the state and society, of 5:00 course. Therefore, this is a noble 5:03 struggle to eradicate corruption for 5:05 the sake of the nation and the country. 5:10 But then the KPK leadership belittled 5:14 us by making manipulative, unlawful, 5:18 and illegal efforts to remove us. It 5:25 didn't stop there; they even tried to 5:28 channel us out by persuading us to 5:31 resign. So, I call this an insult. Why? 5:38 Because first, the effort to remove us 5:41 unlawfully was stubbornly carried out, 5:45 surely with a motive not to combat 5:48 corruption, but rather to align with 5:51 the corruptors. And second, they 5:56 belittled us as if our interest in the 5:59 KPK was only to find work. Yet many of 6:04 our colleagues previously had great and 6:08 brilliant careers, and as sons of the 6:12 nation, they dedicated themselves to 6:15 fighting corruption, only to be 6:19 insulted like that. I think that is the 6:22 important point. 6:24 All right, Bang Noel. It's 6:25 extraordinary to maintain the 6:27 anti-corruption philosophy in this 6:29 country. And indeed, the attitude of 6:32 the KPK leadership is very sad, as they 6:35 continue to defend themselves even 6:37 though the public can already judge 6:38 their performance. Earlier, Bang Novel 6:43 mentioned maintaining philosophy and 6:46 loyalty. Actually, the KPK is a source 6:50 of dignity that must be guarded to 6:52 continue overseeing anti-corruption 6:54 efforts in this country, as a closing 6:57 word from Bang Novel. How should it be? 7:03 Well, like this. The KPK is Indonesia's 7:08 anti-corruption agency trusted to lead 7:12 corruption eradication efforts in 7:15 Indonesia. We know that lately, 7:19 corruption problems in Indonesia have 7:21 been increasing. They have increased in 7:24 terms of both quantity and quality. We 7:27 see corruption in all sectors becoming 7:30 bolder, more massive, and recently, the 7:33 values that used to be in the billions 7:36 are now in the trillions. This is a sad 7:40 state of affairs. Not to mention when 7:45 we see so much corruption occurring 7:48 during the pandemic, which was met with 7:51 half-hearted handling; this can be seen 7:55 from the lack of maximum disclosure and 7:58 failure to reach the intellectual 8:01 actors. The sanctions are also not 8:06 maximized. Likewise, efforts to recover 8:12 state financial losses incurred were 8:15 not carried out earnestly, and the 8:18 victims of that corruption were not 8:20 sought to be restored. Those are the 8:25 examples. So when we see that there are 8:28 so many corruption cases, it should be 8:29 a matter of concern. Not to mention 8:34 when we see Indonesia's corruption 8:36 perception index, which fell last year, 8:39 and that is a very serious problem. 8:44 Indonesia dropped three points. That is 8:46 a very serious problem and a record 8:48 that has never happened before. When we 8:53 look at such problems, the KPK 8:56 leadership does not actually do 8:58 anything significant or create an 9:01 extraordinary strategic plan, but 9:03 instead lets it be or fails to respond 9:06 as they should. It is not just the 9:13 enforcement sector; we also received a 9:15 report from the BPK stating that the 9:18 preventive measures taken by the KPK 9:20 are also ineffective. The same applies 9:25 when we hear about many issues related 9:28 to the KPK's core values. For example, 9:33 previously, the KPK funded its 9:36 activities using its own budget. Now, 9:40 the opportunity is being opened for it 9:42 to be financed by the organizing 9:44 committee. We know that KPK expenses 9:47 are only supposed to cover what is 9:51 actually used, yet good values are 9:54 instead being changed. So, it is not 9:58 just the enforcement that is not 10:00 running well; the prevention is also 10:03 said to be ineffective. Good values are 10:08 being replaced by things that the KPK 10:10 has previously avoided or campaigned 10:13 against for other civil servants to 10:15 refrain from doing. Yet, it is the KPK 10:19 itself that is now doing these very 10:21 things. I am left wondering, is there a 10:24 deliberate attempt to destroy the KPK? 10:29 When we see that, we are naturally 10:31 concerned. The same goes for efforts to 10:34 eradicate corruption. We must remember 10:36 that the responsibility to eradicate 10:39 corruption lies with the state and the 10:41 government. It is up to the government 10:43 to decide which organ it will use to 10:45 eradicate corruption. When the KPK 10:48 itself is weakened from within, and its 10:51 leadership acts in ways that are 10:54 contrary to corruption eradication 10:57 efforts. And lately, they even want to 11:01 get rid of the people who are working 11:04 well, which is contradictory and a 11:07 serious problem. From all that, if 11:12 asked what should be done, certainly 11:14 the responsibility to eradicate 11:17 corruption is a matter of state 11:19 interest, an interest for all of us as 11:22 a society. Because, of course, the 11:25 goals of the nation must be achieved 11:27 through efforts to build, provide 11:29 welfare, ensure prosperity, and so on. 11:32 All of that will fail when so much 11:34 corruption occurs. When asked about 11:38 corruption, it exists in many sectors, 11:42 so surely we all hope or can, what 11:45 should I say? urge and convey criticism 11:50 , input, and so on, or at least pray 11:53 that the government stays consistent in 11:56 eradicating corruption seriously and 11:59 with high commitment. And also, when 12:03 looking at the effectiveness of 12:06 corruption eradication, it should 12:08 ideally start from the law enforcement 12:11 sector first. Only then, move on to the 12:15 others. But regardless of whatever 12:18 strategy is used, eradicating 12:21 corruption or enforcing the law is a 12:25 responsibility that must not be 12:28 neglected because it will impact every 12:31 sector involved in building this nation 12:35 . So, my colleagues and I at the KPK 12:40 who are currently being pushed out will 12:43 continue to fight and strive earnestly 12:47 in the little time we have left. Well, 12:53 at the very least, even if we are to be 12:56 removed, we will be able to speak to 12:59 the public, speak to history, that I or 13:02 we have done our part and failed due to 13:05 factors beyond our control. At the very 13:10 least, we can show that. I think that 13:13 is all I can say. I hope what I have 13:17 conveyed is useful and I hope Indonesia 13:19 will be better in the future. Thank you 13:23 . Wabillahi taufik walhidayah. 13:25 Assalamualaikum warahmatullahi 13:27 wabarakatuh. 
