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0:01 Actually, the medical profession is— 0:03 this is extreme, but I always say I 0:05 don't care what doctors want to be. But 0:08 if I'm not careful, the medical 0:10 profession might just become like the 0:12 profession of a rickshaw driver or a 0:14 meatball seller. 0:16 So there, we—if 0:18 for operations— 0:22 uh, minor ones, like stitching up a 0:24 wound on the head, we do many without 0:27 anesthesia. presenting an award to Bang 0:32 Yose 0:35 as, uh, one of the figures— 0:39 uh, a humanitarian pioneer. Yes, I am 0:43 very proud of that. 0:59 In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious 1:00 , the Most Merciful. May the peace, 1:01 mercy, and blessings of Allah be upon 1:03 you. 1:03 And upon you as well. All praise is due 1:06 to Allah, Lord of the worlds. O Allah, 1:08 send prayers upon our master Muhammad 1:10 and upon the family of our master 1:12 Muhammad. Brothers and sisters who are 1:14 blessed by Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala. 1:17 How are you doing this suhoor time? I 1:20 hope you are in good health and always 1:22 under the protection of Allah subhanahu 1:24 wa ta'ala. This early morning, brothers 1:27 and sisters, in the month of Ramadan in 1:29 the year 1446 Hijri. May we continue to 1:33 observe our fasting smoothly and don't 1:36 forget to keep reciting the Quran. At 1:42 this suhoor time, we are hosting a 1:45 figure; this morning we are joined by 1:48 Dr. Taufik Nugroh, a surgical 1:51 specialist. He is a general surgeon who 1:56 holds an educational background from 1:59 the UGM Faculty of Medicine, then 2:02 completed his general practitioner 2:04 degree in '95 and his surgical 2:07 specialization in '97. Is that right, 2:10 Doctor? Yes. And currently, he 2:14 practices at the Islamic Hospital of 2:16 Yogyakarta PDHI and the Islamic General 2:20 Hospital of Klaten, right? I got this 2:24 from the website, Doctor. 2:26 Cheater. 2:29 Alright. Now, alright. At this suhoor 2:32 time, uh, what are your usual 2:34 activities, Doctor? 2:37 Well, for suhoor, I usually wake up, 2:40 have suhoor, and get ready for Subh 2:42 prayer. Because usually, during this 2:47 Ramadan, I go to sleep past midnight. 2:54 So I rest for a while, uh, then before 3:00 suhoor, I wake up, recite some Quran, 3:03 then do the Subh prayer and start other 3:08 activities. 3:11 Uh, usually when suhoor comes—since 3:16 you are a doctor, a specialist, right, 3:19 Doc? 3:19 Yes. 3:20 What do you usually, Doc, consume? like 3:23 that. Maybe there are some tips, Doc, 3:27 for listeners so that when fasting, 3:29 they don't get hungry easily, aren't 3:32 thirsty during the day, and don't sleep 3:34 too much. That's it, Doctor. I usually, 3:40 for suhoor, only eat a little. 3:44 Uh-huh. 3:44 Just fruits, like leftovers from the 3:47 night before. Then water, especially, 3:49 that is non-negotiable. Must drink. 3:52 Uh-huh. 3:54 Usually, I rarely—it's been several 3:56 years—I rarely have a heavy meal for 3:59 suhoor. Rarely. Usually, we eat a bit, 4:02 uh, a bit late. So in the evening, uh, 4:06 iftar. 4:07 Uh-huh. 4:08 Then, yeah, eat a little. Then before 4:11 sleeping, I eat a slightly bigger meal. 4:15 Uh-huh. Uh-huh. 4:17 So practically during Ramadan, I only 4:19 eat one main big meal. Hm. As for the 4:22 habit of the Prophet, he usually liked 4:24 to drink milk and dates, right, Doctor? 4:27 Is that good for you, Doctor? 4:29 Oh, medically, it is actually very good 4:32 because the calorie content is quite 4:34 high. Then also, from the milk itself, 4:40 the protein content is very good. So, 4:43 aside from it being a Sunnah that we 4:46 get rewarded for following, medically, 4:49 it is indeed 4:51 a very good habit 4:54 in the sense that the nutritional 4:57 content in date milk 5:00 is a combination that is 5:02 H 5:03 very good. 5:04 Yeah. What kind of milk is it, Doctor? 5:07 Personally, at home, we frankly rarely 5:13 prepare milk. So, if it’s dates, God 5:18 willing, we have them all year round. 5:22 But for milk, we don’t really keep it 5:26 . We mostly consume milk indirectly, 5:33 like by drinking, for instance, 5:40 combinations like ginger milk. But just 5:44 plain milk, usually not. So we are used 5:48 to consuming ginger milk. 5:52 Alright. Doctor, if I'm not mistaken, 5:55 you are also a humanitarian activist 5:58 affiliated with MER-C, right, Doc? 6:01 Yes, God willing. 6:03 And as the head of the MER-C Yogyakarta 6:05 branch. 6:06 That's right. And earlier we mentioned 6:09 that you just returned from Gaza. 6:13 Yes. Alhamdulillah, two weeks before 6:16 the ceasefire, 6:18 our EMT6 MER-C team 6:22 returned to Indonesia. So we were there 6:24 for 2 months, 6:25 throughout November and December, in 6:29 Gaza. 6:29 What did you feel when you entered Gaza 6:32 , Doc? 6:33 Yes. How to put it? Our hearts cannot 6:39 help but be moved seeing the fate of 6:42 our brothers and sisters who are so 6:48 deeply oppressed, to the point where I 6:52 have stated many times on various 6:55 occasions that it is almost illogical 6:58 that in Gaza, especially North Gaza, 7:02 there are still residents surviving 7:05 there. It is almost incomprehensible 7:10 because last December, they had already 7:15 endured two winters. 7:17 Hm. 7:18 With temperatures—even when we left 7:21 Gaza, the temperature was 4 degrees. 7:24 4 degrees. 7:25 4 degrees Celsius. And now it’s even 7:28 lower. 7:28 Yeah. Yeah. Even we, who are healthy, 7:32 with, quote-unquote, enough food 7:35 supplies and preparation with warm 7:38 clothes, were freezing. 7:42 I imagine how the residents of Gaza can 7:44 possibly survive 7:46 in ruins without doors or windows, or 7:50 in thin tents, surviving without 7:53 sufficient food, clean water, or 7:56 medical aid. They can survive. 8:06 The mic is a bit far. 8:07 This one. 8:08 Yes. Yeah. 8:09 It’s supposed to be here. If it’s 8:11 too close, it’s a bit over. 8:15 Check, check, check. 8:16 Or should we just start over? 8:17 This one is good. 8:18 It has started. 8:19 My apologies, Doc. It's okay. Check one 8:23 . Alright, then. Please, Doc. Continue 8:26 about the conditions in Gaza. 8:28 So, the Indonesian Hospital, physically 8:32 , at that time in November and December 8:36 ... 8:37 It is physically still there, but 8:39 functionally paralyzed because 8:42 all of its facilities have been 8:43 destroyed by Israel. 8:44 Hm. 8:46 So, almost all of the generators were 8:48 destroyed. Then, the water tanks, and 8:52 furthermore, 8:54 the medical equipment, oxygen 8:56 generators, all that stuff is 8:57 practically gone. So, the patients 9:01 treated there aren't really in a 9:03 hospital, it's more like a warehouse. 9:07 Yeah. Yeah. So, if there is no water, 9:10 what do you do, Doctor? 9:11 Well, there is still a water supply, 9:13 but it is extremely limited. 9:15 Yeah. Yes, so the water supply sent by 9:19 the WHO to the hospital is very limited 9:22 . 9:22 He he. 9:24 At that time, we couldn't enter the 9:27 Indonesian Hospital, but we were at 9:29 Kamal Adwan Hospital. 9:32 Yeah. 9:32 It was the only hospital still 9:35 operating as a hospital in Northern 9:38 Gaza. 9:39 Yeah. And after we had been there for a 9:42 week, we were forcibly evacuated and 9:45 made to leave the hospital by 9:47 request of Israel. 9:49 Israel. On Israel's orders. We were 9:50 forced to leave because the hospital 9:52 was going to be destroyed. 9:54 Allahu Akbar. 9:55 So we left, and not long after, before 9:58 we returned to Indonesia, the hospital 10:01 was finished. After all the patients 10:05 were evacuated, 10:07 Yeah. the director, Dr. Husam Abu 10:10 Safiya, was the last to leave the 10:13 hospital, 10:15 and he was detained by 10:17 the Israeli military. 10:19 And the latest news, thank God, is that 10:23 he is still alive, but in a very 10:26 deplorable condition in 10:28 Israeli detention. 10:30 Then what is the crime of medical 10:32 personnel to be arrested by the Israeli 10:35 military? 10:36 God knows. We can never explain what 10:39 they want. They don't even hesitate; 10:43 it's not just the medical staff, but 10:45 hospitals themselves are targets of 10:47 their attacks. So when we were at Kamal 10:52 Adwan Hospital, it was not like in the 10:56 south or Gaza City, 10:59 where we could still endure the sounds 11:02 of bombs and gunfire because 11:05 the target was not the hospital. 11:07 But in Northern Gaza, at Kamal Adwan 11:10 Hospital, we couldn't take it anymore. 11:12 Yeah. 11:14 Because every moment we worried that a 11:18 stray bullet would hit the window above 11:22 us, or a bomb would hit the wall 11:25 beneath us. So, the atmosphere in 11:29 Northern Gaza was truly very, very 11:35 tense throughout that week, with a 11:38 workload where we almost always 11:41 operated until 3:30 AM every night. And 11:45 what was extraordinary was the hospital 11:48 director, Dr. Husam, who would always 11:51 wait for us during surgery every night. 11:54 Oh, 11:55 until the last patient. And as soon as 11:58 the last patient was finished and we 12:01 came out of the operating room, he 12:04 would greet us at the door, shaking our 12:07 hands just to say thank you for helping 12:10 our people. That happened every night 12:13 until the last night when we were 12:15 forced to leave the hospital. So, we 12:19 truly felt proud and honored. It was an 12:25 honor to get to know him. Hopefully, 12:28 what he has modeled will continue to be 12:32 an inspiration for us to, uh, dedicate 12:38 our profession to humanity wherever 12:43 those victims may be. Yes, hopefully, 12:47 and may God keep him safe. 12:49 Proud yet saddened, right, Doctor? Yes, 12:51 proud when seeing the struggle of the 12:53 people of Gaza. And Dr. Husam, who 12:57 always greets the doctor after, uh, an 12:59 operation. But sad to see the condition 13:02 of the patients there. I heard that the 13:04 patients being operated on there don't 13:07 get anesthesia. Ah, so there, if we are 13:12 doing minor 13:14 surgeries, for example, stitching a 13:17 wound on the head, 13:19 many we perform without anesthesia. 13:22 Uh, that must be painful, Doctor. 13:23 Yes, it is indeed painful. 13:24 God, 13:25 oh my. That is what sometimes 13:26 mostly for children, yes, 13:27 except for children. We always ask for 13:29 children, yes. For children, we always 13:31 ask for anesthesia. Actually, we are 13:33 like the usual practice in Indonesia, 13:36 and that is how it should be. Even for 13:39 adult patients, we always ask for 13:41 anesthetic, uh, local anesthesia, we 13:44 always ask for it. Uh, but they 13:47 themselves sometimes refuse it. 13:49 Oh, why? 13:50 So, so 13:50 even though the medication is available 13:51 . 13:51 The reason, hmm. Hmm. Because 13:53 the reason is what makes the story, uh, 13:56 the one crying is not the patient. 13:58 Because their reason is, once they hear 14:01 that the doctor is asking for 14:03 anesthesia, they will say, "No, there's 14:05 no need, Doctor.""Yes, there will be 14:08 someone else who needs that medicine." 14:10 Allahu Akbar (God is Great). 14:13 So I don't need it, so in the end, 10 14:16 or 15 stitches on the head, we do it 14:18 without anesthesia. And I know it is 14:22 very painful. Their sweat pours down, 14:25 but their complaints are just three 14:28 words that I will never forget. So, 14:31 facing any condition, what they say is 14:36 "Alhamdulillah, khair, insha'Allah," 14:39 just that. 14:40 Yeah. 14:41 So, while sweating beads the size of 14:44 corn because of the pain. 14:46 Allahu Akbar. 14:48 Their friend holding their legs or 14:50 hands will always say, "Alhamdulillah." 14:53 "Khair, insha'Allah." So, uh, 14:56 eventually, what happens is when they 14:58 are stitched without local anesthesia, 15:01 the one who cries is not the patient, 15:04 the doctor 15:05 the doctor is the one who cries. 15:07 Yes, yes, yes. 15:08 We try to hold it back so it's not 15:11 obvious, but you can't hide it. We are 15:14 the ones crying, not the patients. That 15:16 is, uh, a lesson that is extraordinary 15:21 which shows how they can endure in such 15:30 conditions. Because indeed, those are 15:33 the only three words they will utter. 15:36 Alhamdulillah, khair, insha'Allah. 15:39 And you have never faced this at any 15:41 other hospital, Doctor? In Indonesia, 15:44 we get cursed at. 15:46 Yes, that's true. Let alone without 15:48 anesthesia, even with anesthesia. 15:51 Hmm. 15:52 But it still hurts a little, 15:54 pain 15:54 that is already, uh, complaining there. 16:05 Are the victims there mostly children, 16:07 adults, or what, and what are they 16:09 suffering from, Doctor? uh, victims. So 16:14 the patients we operated on during our 16:17 time there, more than 150 over 2 months 16:19 , 16:20 uh, almost all of them were victims of 16:24 explosions or gunfire. 16:26 Allahu Akbar. 16:27 Almost all of them. 16:28 The worst cases you have ever handled, 16:30 Doctor? 16:31 Yes, they were all severe. 16:32 All of them were severe. 16:34 Those with minor injuries were usually 16:36 treated with surgery, not in the 16:38 operating room, but in the emergency 16:41 room. 16:42 So, those who made it to the operating 16:44 room were, on average, 16:46 uh, victims of bomb blasts; mostly 16:48 abdominal surgeries because they were 16:50 hit in the gut, so bowel resections, 16:54 that was, uh, a daily occurrence. 16:57 Yes. 16:59 Uh, we also performed some orthopedic 17:01 surgeries there. So, for the most part, 17:04 yes, more than 80%were blast victims. A 17:09 , after doc, after the ceasefire, 17:13 uh, how many months after the ceasefire 17:15 did you return home? Was the hospital 17:16 condition still the same? 17:18 We returned before the ceasefire. 17:20 Before the ceasefire. 17:21 Before, so two weeks before the 17:23 ceasefire we left. 17:25 And at that time, the Indonesian 17:29 Hospital in Northern Gaza, the 17:31 Indonesian Hospital, Al-Awda Hospital, 17:33 and Kamal Adwan were already, medically 17:35 speaking, paralyzed. There were health 17:41 workers and patients, but the 17:43 facilities...well, at most they just 17:45 had IVs, right? But 17:48 when necessary procedures had to be 17:51 done, they just couldn't be performed. 17:56 Uh, if I may ask, how old are you now, 17:59 Doctor? I mean it like this, Doc. What 18:03 gives you the spirit to do this? This 18:07 isn't just a disaster zone; this is a 18:10 conflict zone, a war zone, which many 18:13 people, or many doctors, avoid...why 18:15 are you asking about age? Just assume 18:19 I'm however old I am. 18:21 I mean, it's about the spirit, Doc. Let 18:24 me not ask about age first. Mas Risal, 18:27 how old are you? 18:28 38. 18:30 Mas Risal is 38. 18:31 38, I'm 43. 18:33 Yes. Just a slight difference. Like 18:37 that. For me, uh, being called old 18:40 because of a number, 18:42 that is, um, a misfortune due to a typo 18:45 by the local administrative clerk. Yes. 18:52 Because, 18:53 once again, uh, a person's activity or 19:01 ability is not always aligned with 19:06 their age. 19:08 Hm. 19:09 Age cannot be denied. True. But it 19:11 doesn't always go hand in hand with 19:13 that. To say that at 60, it's time to 19:16 be unable to do anything. No. It 19:17 doesn't always have to be that way. Do 19:19 you like watching kung fu movies? 19:21 Oh, yes. 19:23 The most powerful, undefeated villains 19:25 are often the really old ones. 19:29 Yes. Alhamdulillah, in our team, I was 19:32 indeed the oldest, 19:35 even twice the age, 19:38 perhaps, of the other friends, yes. Uh, 19:41 the Mercy presidium even entrusted me 19:45 to my younger friends, saying, "Please 19:48 look after Dr. Taufik." But thankfully, 19:53 it turned out I was the healthiest when 19:54 we returned. 19:56 So, it was the younger doctors who were 19:57 looking after you, Doctor? The youngest 19:59 friend even suffered a heart condition 20:02 in Gaza. 20:03 When you were in Gaza, were the doctors 20:05 , uh, still young, or were many of them 20:07 already finished, Doctor? 20:09 What? 20:09 At the Gaza hospital? 20:11 Uh, at the Gaza hospital, they were 20:13 mostly young. I was there, so I was 20:16 considered 20:17 the most senior, 20:18 considered the grandfather yes. on 20:25 average, maybe people my age don't 20:29 really go that far anymore. But 20:32 uh in my opinion, once again we must be 20:38 honest that when we are not capable, we 20:41 shouldn't force ourselves 20:43 but when we still can, why not? 20:47 Yeah 20:48 yes, I happen to be 20:49 the one who decided, Doctor, to, uh, 20:52 okay, I'm going. Why? 20:54 Well, I personally have, since I was 20:57 young back in the days of Yasser Arafat 21:00 , 21:03 Abu Ammar with the PLO and so on, 21:06 Palestine has always been my concern 21:10 their suffering. So I even 21:14 the somewhat dark sides of the 21:16 Palestinian struggle, I know them. So 21:19 there was indeed a desire that one day 21:22 I 21:23 would go there. It's just that from the 21:27 beginning, maybe once again, one of the 21:29 considerations of the friends in the 21:31 presidium 21:32 Yeah. 21:32 At age 60, 21:36 don't get it wrong. 21:37 But when I was forced later 21:41 I don't know why, whether because I was 21:42 told to accompany the young ones or 21:44 because there was no one else 21:46 I was sent. Thank God, I could prove 21:51 that I have no health issues and, 21:55 frankly, physically, if I were told to 21:58 run with you, I'd still be strong. 22:03 Oh 22:04 yeah. Last year at the PAB event, I 22:08 still ran 5 kilometers without stopping 22:13 at all. I 22:18 I am used to the hospital, I don't know 22:20 the elevator. 22:21 Oh. 22:22 So if I go to the 5th floor, I take the 22:26 stairs or the ramp. 22:29 What's the prescription, Doc? 22:33 Yes, to stay healthy like this at 60, 22:36 still healthy 22:38 yeah. Indeed, we must move 22:41 move 22:41 we must not just sit around. So we must 22:44 be trained, including our strength. 22:47 Why am I strong at walking? Because I 22:49 walk often. I still guide every year 22:51 Hajj and Umrah. 22:55 And friends in Jakarta, if there is a 22:58 task to escort pilgrims, we have to 23:01 walk. 23:02 Yeah. 23:03 what, from Mina to Makkah and back, we 23:07 have to walk. That 23:09 yeah 23:09 yes. I don't understand. maybe I was 23:11 the one chosen because I was the only 23:14 one willing. So, if walking a dozen 23:18 kilometers, thank God I don't have too 23:23 much trouble because I 23:26 still 23:26 I try to train for that. 23:30 So I guess you still drive your own car 23:34 , Doctor. 23:35 Thank God. 23:39 Yes. Meaning there's no driver because 23:41 your physical health is still fine, 23:42 right? 23:43 Yes, I still drive myself as it happens 23:46 . 23:46 Yes. 23:47 Masyaallah, Doc. Besides Gaza, how many 23:49 times have you been? Was it your first 23:52 time to Gaza yesterday, or 23:53 have you been before? It was my first 23:54 time to Gaza. 23:54 To Gaza. But to other Palestinian 23:56 territories? 23:57 Well, to Aqsa, I have been twice. 24:00 Yeah. Yeah. 24:01 Yes. To Gaza, that was only once. 24:03 And you entered right when the war was 24:06 happening? 24:08 Yes. Thank God, Allah gave me and the 24:14 entire team the opportunity and safety 24:18 to return home safely. Even though 24:22 during the forced evacuation from Kamal 24:24 Adwan Hospital, it felt like I wasn't 24:26 in this world anymore. 24:29 Oh. What did you see in the people of 24:36 Gaza that made them so strong? 24:40 Uh, first, their attitude of always 24:44 maintaining a positive opinion of Allah 24:46 with their three phrases, I think that 24:48 is the extraordinary key. Whatever 24:52 happens to them, they only say " 24:54 alhamdulillah,""khair,""insyaallah." 24:57 That is what makes them feel that their 25:00 condition is always good and they hope 25:02 for even better things. To me, that is 25:06 something truly extraordinary, which 25:09 here might be lecture material or 25:13 sermon topics, but not implemented in 25:21 everyday life. Alright, Doctor. We know 25:28 , uh, and I am always reminded of Dr. 25:33 Jose Rizal, the journalist. 25:36 In the eyes of Dr. Taufik. What kind of 25:39 person was he? Uh, Dr. Yose, I had 25:45 several contacts with him during a few 25:49 disasters, and even non-disasters, 25:53 because I was also in MER-C. He was an 25:59 extraordinary person, even, uh, with 26:04 his toughness and, uh, I find it hard 26:11 to describe. He was a tough person, 26:15 very firm, 26:16 but incredibly gentle. I can't imagine 26:22 there being a figure today who is as 26:25 tough against the enemy. Yet, with 26:32 people who, in quotes, held opposing 26:35 views, he was so gentle and didn't 26:38 think at all that their differences 26:41 mattered. Nowadays, what I see is that 26:47 if people disagree, Yeah. 26:49 it becomes like being enemies, or even 26:50 worse than enemies. 26:52 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 26:53 Yes. Our enemy isn't fellow Muslims, 26:55 surely. 26:56 Yes. 26:57 Our enemy is Israel. 26:59 Yeah. 27:00 But with fellow Muslims, just because 27:04 the affiliation is different, we sadly 27:07 treat them worse than Israel. 27:11 Yes. 27:11 Yes. 27:12 That is what is so concerning. 27:14 Hm. Even though it shouldn't be like 27:17 that. And I see Bang Yosi as an 27:20 extraordinary example. He was so firm 27:24 when it came to principles. But when it 27:28 came to relationships with fellow 27:33 Muslims, between Muslim organizations, 27:38 or fellow volunteers, those conflicts 27:42 were almost non-existent. 27:46 I remember crying when I was with him 27:49 during the Padang earthquake; I 27:51 remember it clearly. Yeah. 27:55 In the Padang earthquake, he gathered 27:58 all the volunteer groups. So, all NGOs, 28:03 no matter their banner, 28:05 Yeah. 28:06 were invited to gather to inventory the 28:11 problems. That, 28:13 in your area, 28:16 who are our friends? Who, in quotes, 28:21 are our enemies? What do they have, 28:23 what do we have, and what are we 28:25 lacking? 28:26 Yeah. 28:27 For such inventories, uh, such problem 28:29 inventories, so that they can then be 28:32 assisted, where they can help others, 28:34 help in places. Basically that's it, 28:39 and he didn't know at all about any 28:42 volunteer groups that were at odds with 28:45 him, that had a past, in quotes, of " 28:48 war" with him, none. Everyone was 28:52 invited, everyone was embraced. 28:56 That’s what made me cry at that time 29:00 because there was one volunteer group 29:03 that did not want to attend. 29:07 Oh, 29:08 even though their post was very close 29:11 to the gathering place. And if it's 29:13 said that 29:15 uh the invitation might not have 29:16 reached them, that's impossible. Oh, I 29:18 was the one who delivered the 29:20 invitations at that time. 29:22 Yes, I was with the head of the 29:24 hospital disaster response team, Dr. 29:27 Safrudin. At that time I went around in 29:30 his car delivering those invitations 29:32 verbally 29:33 from post to post. So, it's impossible 29:35 to have missed them. 29:37 Well, there were those who didn't want 29:38 to come just because of the past. 29:40 Yeah. 29:41 Even though Dr. Yose had been so 29:45 embracing. 29:45 Embracing. And when in that forum, he 29:48 didn't mention at all that there were 29:50 people who didn't come, not at all, he 29:52 didn't mention it. He 29:54 eh. 29:56 I, when I remember that, I feel like 29:58 crying. Dr. Yose is like that. That's 30:02 why I was very proud recently when on 30:04 the anniversary of the Indonesian 30:07 Medical Association (IDI), they gave an 30:09 award to Bang Yose 30:13 as one of the figures 30:17 uh, pioneers of humanity. Yes, I am 30:21 very proud of that and hopefully it 30:24 will inspire young 30:26 colleagues to continue to work 30:30 helping others who 30:32 uh, are in need. Because 30:37 I happen to be often asked to teach 30:39 junior students, you know. And I always 30:44 say that actually the medical 30:45 profession is, this is extreme. But I 30:49 always say, I don't care what kind of 30:51 doctor my colleagues want to be. But if 30:53 I'm not careful, the medical profession 30:55 might become like the profession of a 30:58 rickshaw puller or a meatball seller. H 31:01 even though it shouldn't be. 31:02 What do you mean, Doc? 31:04 Doctors in their oath say that by God, 31:07 I will use my medical knowledge 31:11 to help patients. 31:13 Yes. I will not discriminate against 31:16 patients because of differences in 31:18 economic class, group, and so on. Yeah. 31:20 He. 31:21 I will prioritize patients more than 31:24 personal or group interests. That is 31:27 the main oath that is always remembered 31:30 . Now, that is what sometimes in 31:33 practice gets forgotten. 31:37 H 31:37 yes. So that doctors will greatly 31:40 differentiate between class 3 and class 31:42 1 or VIP. Even though the oath says 31:45 that's not allowed. 31:46 Hm. 31:46 Even in the doctor's oath, there is not 31:49 a single clause that says if I help my 31:52 patient I have the right to get payment 31:56 , in exchange for my services 31:58 in quotes, money. 32:00 Yeah. Yeah. That is not in the doctor's 32:03 oath. Now, precisely in the midst of 32:07 disasters, both natural disasters and 32:10 in conflicts like war, we become real 32:13 doctors. 32:14 Hm. 32:15 Because if I practice in a hospital, 32:17 yes. 32:18 I help one person, I have a vision of 32:21 50,000 rupiah, right. 32:23 Yeah. Yeah. So 32:26 a month, helping, uh, 50 outpatients 32:29 means 50 times 50. I get 1 million 32:34 rupiah for one surgery. This month I 32:36 operated on 25, so I get that much, 32:38 right. 32:39 Yeah. 32:40 Ah, the bad outcome is like this. Uh, 32:44 if for example I know that if I perform 32:47 surgery and get nothing, why should I 32:50 do it? That’s like a pedicab driver, 32:52 right. 32:53 Yeah. Yeah. 32:54 Yes. A pedicab driver, if they want to 32:56 help someone, they must make a deal 32:58 first. I’ll help, but for 50,000 33:01 rupiah, right. 33:03 Now, there are doctors who get trapped 33:06 like that, so they feel disappointed 33:09 when they've helped a patient but get 33:12 less than they imagined. 33:14 So that sense of disappointment, I 33:17 think, is an ethical disaster in the 33:20 medical world. 33:22 Hm. Now, that’s what I always advise 33:25 my juniors, my children, my students. 33:32 Train that through social work, through 33:35 working in the midst of a disaster. 33:40 Because if you are helping earthquake 33:43 victims in one place, you help 100, 200 33:46 people, surely you won't think about 33:49 how much I'll get from those 200. 33:53 In an earthquake, you won't. 33:55 Yeah. 33:56 Especially in, uh, conflict areas, war 33:58 zones, that's even more extreme. 34:01 Because we prove that I prioritize the 34:04 patient more than myself. Humanity, 34:07 right, Doctor. 34:08 Yes. That, uh, I must help this person 34:12 even if it endangers myself. Oh, this 34:16 is a bit more 34:19 more difficult, right. 34:22 That’s why I always advise my juniors 34:25 to join mass circumcisions, join social 34:28 services, join clinics at mosques, join 34:31 non-profit activities. No need for much 34:34 , just once a month. 34:36 Yeah. 34:37 So that you remember that 34:39 at that moment you are being a doctor. 34:41 If you’re already in the hospital, 34:44 sometimes you are a doctor who is a bit 34:49 like a pedicab driver. A doctor who is 34:52 a bit like a meatball vendor. Uh, those 34:55 are terms I know my colleagues don't 34:58 like, and I don't like either, but that 35:01 is the reality. Hm. But there are also 35:04 difficult patients, Doc. 35:06 Yes. 35:07 Difficult patients who, meaning, don't 35:09 respect the medical profession. How is 35:11 it, Doc? The way 35:12 yeah, like this, uh, we, uh, always, 35:16 yeah, I have the opinion that if I do 35:20 it right, then God will grant us our 35:27 rights. So, uh, if we act correctly, 35:30 people will see us as correct. People 35:32 will respect us. That we are right, and 35:36 people making mistakes is their 35:38 business with God. 35:39 Yes. 35:40 Yeah. If necessary, I could even hit 35:42 someone, it’s fine, right. If they 35:44 really need to be hit, why not. 35:46 Yes. Yes. 35:47 Yeah. Because sometimes there are 35:50 indeed people who need to be hit. 35:52 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 35:54 If, for example, someone cheats us. 35:57 Well, being cheated is our own affair. 35:59 We do our duty; that we were cheated is 36:02 between them and God. God forbids them 36:05 to cheat. Why do they cheat? That is 36:07 their business with God, not ours. 36:10 The fact that they are rude to us. 36:12 Yeah. 36:12 Yes. 36:13 If necessary, strike back, then strike. 36:15 Yeah. Heh. 36:15 Yes. He he. 36:16 Why not? 36:17 Hm. Did Dr. Jose have a message for Dr. 36:20 Taufik? 36:22 Did you ever talk privately? 36:25 Personally, I did not with him. Even 36:28 before he passed away, he left no 36:30 specific message. But he did give 36:34 messages to all activists, especially 36:39 the Mersi volunteers, that we...Work 36:45 for humanity, not for anything else— 36:47 not politics, not other things. We 36:51 exist solely to foster brotherhood. In 36:56 fact, one of his messages regarding 37:00 Gaza was that we build a hospital there 37:05 , not just to help Gazans who need it. 37:09 It is not just that. But more 37:11 importantly, to show them that there 37:14 are brothers and sisters of theirs in 37:17 Indonesia, 37:18 that they are not alone. That there are 37:22 people who care about them. That is the 37:25 value that was... 37:27 Emphasized by Dr. Jose 37:30 to all of us. 37:33 So our presence, the presence of Mersi 37:36 in Gaza, is not merely to help in the 37:39 sense of performing surgeries, not that 37:41 . But what is truly important is 37:46 showing them that they are not alone. 37:50 H. 37:52 They stand together with their brothers 37:54 and sisters all over the world. 37:56 Especially that Indonesians 38:00 are their brothers who care for them 38:03 and will be there whenever needed, 38:06 yes, 38:07 to assist them. 38:09 Mashallah. 38:10 Brothers and sisters. Right, Doctor. 38:14 Earlier, we discussed the figure of Dr. 38:17 Jose, and we know his aspiration was 38:21 the establishment of an Indonesian 38:23 hospital in Gaza. This is proof, as you 38:29 said, that Indonesia is there. 38:34 Indonesia cares for its brothers and 38:36 sisters in the Gaza region, and most 38:39 importantly, it is...An ongoing charity 38:43 . This is his ongoing charity, right? 38:45 Isn't that so? You also mentioned 38:48 earlier how the Muslims in Gaza, 38:51 despite all their suffering, always say 38:55 "Alhamdulillah, khair, insha'Allah." 38:59 Right. Now, Doctor, I remember back 39:03 when I was an operator while he was 39:06 broadcasting on Silaturahim Radio. But 39:11 there were many who attacked Dr. Jose, 39:15 like with the Shia issue. What do you 39:19 think about this, Doc? Wow, this is 39:24 interesting. And whatever my answer is, 39:28 surely someone won't like it. But I 39:30 will answer it. So, it's like this. 39:34 Yes. 39:35 Once upon a time, there was a friend, 39:38 also an activist. 39:39 He sent me a private message 39:42 and asked specifically about the 39:45 allegations regarding Dr. J being a 39:49 Shia. 39:50 H. Because these are fellow activists 39:54 and the question is serious, hence the 39:55 private message. So then I 39:59 uh made contact and I uh asked directly 40:04 . Why do you uh suspect Dr. Yuse of 40:11 being Shia? I asked. Then he uh replied 40:18 that one of the reasons was during the 40:20 Madura case, during the Madura case, 40:25 when there was a Shia group that was 40:29 isolated and so on, there were no 40:32 medical teams 40:34 yeah 40:35 helping them, right? 40:36 And Mercy went there. So that made them 40:42 conclude that Dr. Yuse was Shia. Ah, 40:46 hearing that, I felt relieved. I asked, 40:51 "Oh, if that's the case, you're not 40:54 fully accusing Dr. Yuse. Ah, it's 40:56 incomplete." I said, "Why is that?""Yes 40:59 , let me tell you." When there was a 41:05 disaster in a region, if I'm not 41:08 mistaken it was in Chile or somewhere 41:12 in South America. That isn't a Muslim 41:17 country. It's a voodoo country. I said, 41:21 a voodoo country, a land of sorcerers. 41:24 Yes, 41:24 witchcraft. Mercy sent aid there. I 41:27 said, you and your friends who suspect 41:31 Dr. Yuse of being Shia should now add 41:35 that Dr. Yuse is a Shia and also a 41:39 voodoo practitioner. That's what I said 41:41 . He was shocked and asked, "Well, then 41:46 what should we do, Dr. Taufik?" Well, 41:50 as far as I know, from all the time 41:53 I've hung out, gathered, and interacted 41:56 with him, I've prayed with him, I've 41:59 chatted with him, and I haven't seen 42:02 anything that indicates he's Shia. I 42:08 have never seen him act differently 42:12 from us. So, uh, that is what I have 42:16 seen. I don't care about what others 42:18 say, but that's what I have gathered 42:20 and observed. So, uh, if some friends 42:26 feel that way, then oh my God. Whether 42:31 Dr. Yuse is secretly a Shia behind my 42:33 back is not my business. But as far as 42:38 I know him and have interacted with him 42:42 , I have absolutely not seen him to be 42:45 a person who is Shia. God knows best. I 42:50 said, "So that's the story." So someone 42:54 said that and I asked him to add that 42:57 Dr. Yuse is a voodoo practitioner 43:00 because he helped victims in a 43:05 voodoo area. Not to mention when we 43:07 sent aid to Nias, which 43:10 has a majority 43:11 that isn't Muslim, right? Why not also 43:14 say that Dr. Yuse is actually half 43:16 Christian too? If the reason is only 43:21 because of that, but if your reason is 43:23 something else, especially something 43:24 political, I don't want to get involved 43:26 in that. That's what I said. 43:30 Hmm. Doc, how to increase or, uh, we 43:33 know a doctor's profession is noble, 43:36 right? It can be an eternal charity. 43:39 Meaning, when he helps someone, uh, 43:41 with the intention for the sake of God, 43:43 and based on humanitarian grounds, it 43:45 becomes a continuous charity for him. 43:48 How then do you, Dr. Taufik, as a 43:51 senior doctor, make young doctors 43:54 realize to have such an intention, Doc? 44:00 Yes, in fact, I'm quite extreme when 44:03 giving lectures to the junior students. 44:08 At the start, I ask them, I start a 44:11 conversation. 44:13 Uh-huh. 44:13 Why did you become a doctor? Now, when 44:17 most of them imagine that being a 44:21 doctor is a profession with high social 44:25 standing and, especially, a fairly high 44:29 income. Well, when the conversation 44:32 gets to that point, I always suggest 44:35 that maybe you shouldn't be a doctor. 44:39 Hm. Yeah. 44:41 Because if you start with that 44:43 intention, you will end up getting hurt 44:46 . Because in the doctor's oath that you 44:50 will study later, it isn't even 44:52 mentioned that being a doctor is a 44:54 profession to earn a living. 44:57 Uh-huh. 44:59 So, in a doctor's mind, if they follow 45:02 the doctor's oath, there should only be 45:05 the thought: what can I do for the 45:07 patient? What must I give to the 45:14 patient, what must I do to help the 45:18 patient. Only that. And not what can I 45:25 get. How much I can get from the 45:29 patient shouldn't be the point. 45:31 Uh-huh. That's why if your intention 45:35 from the start is that, you will be 45:37 disappointed. The fact is, because of 45:43 the health system currently in place in 45:46 Indonesia, helping patients earns us 45:49 rewards and so on; by God's will, it is 45:51 lawful. So, God willing, if we as 45:56 doctors help patients and earn an 45:59 income, God willing, it is lawful. God 46:02 willing. 46:04 It is lawful and good to bring home and 46:07 provide for our wife and children, God 46:10 willing. What is not allowed is when we 46:14 don't get that and then we become 46:17 disappointed. 46:18 Now, that is what's not allowed. But 46:20 what about the cost of medical 46:22 education, which is expensive, Doc? 46:25 Yes, that is once again one of the 46:29 misunderstandings in our medical 46:35 education, where the state actually 46:38 needs many doctors, but to become a 46:43 doctor, such a high cost is required. 46:46 Uh-huh. So in the end, once they become 46:49 doctors, the calculation is that in a 46:52 few years they must break even and so 46:54 on. I think that is a disaster that we 46:58 have had from the very beginning. In my 47:01 opinion, when the state needs many 47:05 doctors, it should offer it to smart 47:09 people. Be a doctor. 47:11 H. 47:12 Study with low tuition or even be 47:14 funded by the state. Because the state 47:17 is the one in need. 47:18 Yes. 47:19 Yes. 47:20 The one in need is the state, which 47:21 needs doctors to serve the people. That 47:26 must be noted. So, the state should be 47:28 the one funding medical school, 47:32 so that later when we work, we are 47:34 given appropriate compensation. 47:37 Appropriate means it's proper for a 47:39 doctor to have a home. There shouldn't 47:41 be any doctors without a home. And a 47:44 doctor's house shouldn't just be a type 47:47 37, right? A doctor's house should look 47:49 like this, fitting for them. A doctor 47:51 deserves to have a car, and that is 47:53 what the government should think about 47:55 so that doctors don't have to transact 47:57 for profit. 47:58 Yes. 48:00 Because if doctors transact, the 48:01 consequences are like what we see now. 48:05 I even happened to have children who 48:07 are doctors. I showed them a social 48:12 media post from a junior of mine. 48:16 Yeah. 48:18 They mentioned that consultations, blah 48:21 blah blah, would have a minimum fee of 48:25 100,000 rupiah. I told my child, "If 48:31 you ever write something like that, I 48:33 will disown you as my child." Oh my God 48:38 . Yes, that was my extreme way of 48:40 putting it. I just wanted to show them 48:42 that it shouldn't be like that. 48:45 It means you are limiting it so poor 48:47 people won't come to see you. It's like 48:50 saying if you see me, you must have 48:52 100,000. So if you're poor, don't get 48:55 sick. Even though we have our doctor's 48:58 oath. I swore by Allah to use my 49:02 medical knowledge to help patients. And 49:06 patients can be rich, or they can be 49:09 poor. That's why 49:10 once again, when helping a wealthy 49:12 person, a VIP patient, 49:16 and they give us the vehicle 49:17 registration, title, and the keys, 49:20 yes, 49:21 be grateful, God willing, that is 49:23 lawful and good. But when helping 49:27 someone who can only say "thank you, 49:30 Doc," or who might even forget to thank 49:34 us for our hard work and the sweat we 49:38 shed to help them, then be grateful, 49:44 that is a reward for us. 49:46 That's basically it. 49:48 May I add something, Mas Agus? This is 49:51 related to medical education, Doc. In 49:54 the end, because the government is 49:57 unable to make medical education 49:59 affordable, even though the government 50:02 is the one who needs doctors to serve 50:04 the public. In the end, it could be 50:08 said that only certain ethnicities with 50:12 the means and wealth can become doctors 50:16 . Doc, could you please respond to that 50:18 , Doc? This is a tricky question. 50:24 You're something else, Bang Rizal. 50:27 Yes. I actually don't really take issue 50:31 with that. In the sense that, even if 50:37 that is the reality, they should be the 50:42 ones to change their mindset that they 50:46 are superior to any other group. "I can 50:52 buy anything, I can pay for anything." 50:56 They should realize that I live in 50:58 Indonesia where the people are poor, I 51:01 eat Indonesian rice, and I drink this 51:04 water. Therefore, when I am able to 51:08 study to become a doctor, I must 51:10 dedicate my medical knowledge to 51:13 helping them. Yes. Yes. 51:15 Because it is through their hard work 51:17 that I have become who I am. That is 51:21 what anyone who is given the ability to 51:24 study medicine should do. I don't have 51:29 an issue with any ethnicity, in quotes. 51:33 Whether they are white-skinned, 51:35 yellow-skinned, or green-skinned. 51:37 Yeah. We should have that kind of 51:39 mindset. That we have become who we are 51:42 because the people of Indonesia now 51:45 need us. 51:47 So it is only natural that we return 51:50 what they have given us, back to them. 51:53 That's why many young doctors go to 51:57 disaster areas to hone that sense of 52:01 humanity. 52:03 I take them along; I invite the younger 52:06 students and my own children; I get 52:09 them used to it. So when there is a 52:12 disaster, I bring them along. 52:15 And during those times, we always chat, 52:17 and I always ask them, "How many people 52:20 did you help yesterday?""200 people, 52:23 were you counting how much you'd get 52:24 paid?" No. No, Doctor. That is a doctor 52:28 . Yeah. 52:29 That is a doctor. That is why I am 52:32 almost always present at every disaster 52:35 , especially those requiring surgical 52:38 assistance. I am always there in the 52:43 early days, sometimes with Mercy, 52:47 sometimes with the faculty or the 52:50 younger students. The student medical 52:53 assistance team, TBMM. Padang 52:56 earthquake, Aceh earthquake, Lombok, 53:00 Palu. 53:00 Yeah. 53:01 Almost every opportunity, including the 53:05 recent Cianjur earthquake and the 53:09 Semeru eruption. Praise be to God, I 53:13 have always been there. It’s not for 53:16 anything, just to train myself so that 53:20 when I'm in Jogja, if I have to operate 53:23 on a patient who can't pay and doesn't 53:27 have insurance, I can still smile and 53:30 be happy seeing them smile. Maybe I can 53:34 give you a little math that... 53:36 Yes. 53:37 This is my secret. 53:39 Go ahead, Doctor. But I will leak it to 53:41 Rasil. So, it's like this. 53:44 God willing. 53:45 I always tell the younger students and 53:47 my own children this: If we, as doctors 53:54 , help patients selflessly, without 53:57 expecting anything, even for just a day 54:01 ...Just two people a day. Two people a 54:07 day. Out of the dozens of patients we 54:11 help, if we are truly sincere and 54:13 selfless for just two of them. Then in 54:18 a month, we will have helped 50 people. 54:22 Yes, in practice, it’s not 60 days, 54:23 it’s about 20. We will help 50 54:26 patients sincerely without expecting 54:28 anything. That means in a year, we will 54:33 have helped 600 patients. Without 54:38 expecting payment, without expecting 54:40 anything, I just provide the help. " 54:43 Bismillah," that's all. For the 54:47 thousands of others where we expect a 54:49 receipt, feel free to do so. But for 54:52 those... 54:53 600 people a year, we don't expect 54:56 anything. Truly, for the sake of God. I 54:59 swear to God, I don't expect anything. 55:04 Those 600 people a year, if 50%of them 55:08 are grateful—in quotes, grateful— 55:12 then there will be 300 people. Who will 55:20 express their gratitude to us in the 55:22 form of prayers. When we are exhausted 55:28 working all day until night, so tired 55:32 we don't have time to pray, there will 55:36 be 300 pairs of hands lifted in prayer, 55:40 "Oh God, I am a poor person." O Allah, 55:44 I have no money to pay the doctor. O 55:48 Allah. "But there is a doctor who is 55:50 willing to care for my child with all 55:53 their heart. Even though they know I 55:56 won't be able to pay anything at all. 56:02 There is a doctor who is willing to 56:03 care for my wife with all their heart. 56:05 Even though they know that I will not 56:08 be able to pay anything at all. O Allah 56:11 , because they are caring for my child, 56:14 the doctor has no time to rest. O Allah 56:17 , protect their health, O Allah. Grant 56:22 them time to rest, O Allah. O Allah, 56:25 because they are caring for my wife, 56:28 the doctor has no time to be with their 56:30 own family. They, they are forced to 56:33 leave their children and wife to look 56:36 after and care for my child. O Allah, 56:39 make their family happy, O Allah. And 56:44 finally," O Allah, I am unable to pay 56:46 them, O Allah. But You are the Most 56:48 Wealthy, O Allah. Pay them with Your 56:53 provision that is lawful, good, and 56:55 blessed. O Allah, fulfill their needs. 57:01 There are 300 hands raised in prayer 57:05 for us. And if Allah grants even half 57:09 of them, then there will be 150 prayers 57:12 . Praying for our health, praying for 57:17 our happiness, praying for our family 57:19 to be peaceful, loving, and merciful. 57:22 150 prayers granted by Allah for us. 57:27 While we sometimes forget how to pray 57:29 because of our busy lives. How many 57:33 billions of rupiah would we value those 57:35 150 prayers granted by Allah at? Would 57:41 we value them at a building as 57:43 luxurious as any, which, if Allah wills 57:46 , would be destroyed in 2 seconds? Yes, 57:52 many of our brothers and sisters save 57:55 their money in the form of very 57:57 luxurious buildings. In 2 seconds of 58:01 the Jogja Klaten earthquake, they were 58:02 destroyed without a trace. But 150 58:06 prayers for our health, for our 58:10 happiness, granted by Allah. They 58:15 cannot be replaced. That is the 58:18 mathematics. The mathematics of a 58:22 doctor that, once again, keeps me 58:27 staying as a doctor amidst the various 58:35 problems in this medical world. Why? 58:38 Because for me, by being a doctor, a 58:44 wide path is opened for me to reach 58:48 heaven. God willing. 58:52 Amen, O Lord of the worlds. Mashallah, 58:55 it's already been 50 minutes. 58:58 Oh wow, 58:58 Kang Rizal, 58:59 it's almost imsak, 59:01 Doc. One more question, Doc. If anyone 59:05 asks, you just returned from Gaza 59:08 yesterday. 59:09 Yes. 59:10 Will you go back to Gaza again? That 59:15 longing is just like when we first 59:20 wanted to go there; after having been 59:22 there, that desire is definitely still 59:24 there. The desire to give something and 59:28 help our brothers and sisters. Whatever 59:31 it may be. So, God willing, if Allah 59:35 gives another opportunity, we 59:38 definitely want to be in their midst 59:42 again. God willing. Hopefully in a 59:47 situation that is relatively much 59:49 better. 59:52 Not in the tension of war like what we 59:55 felt yesterday. Hopefully. 59:59 So that the people of Gaza themselves 1:00:02 can also enjoy their days in peace. 1:00:05 Hopefully. 1:00:06 Amen. Because I see that when the war 1:00:09 happened in Gaza, the gates of heaven 1:00:11 were opened wide, Doc. 1:00:14 But, like Ramadan, just because the 1:00:18 doors are wide open doesn't mean 1:00:20 everyone wants to enter. 1:00:23 Yeah. 1:00:23 Just as the gates of hell are closed. H 1:00:27 Because the more it's closed, sometimes 1:00:30 it actually stimulates our desire to 1:00:33 enter. For example, in the old days, 1:00:37 there was a place with a sign saying 1:00:40 students, civil servants, and military 1:00:44 were forbidden to enter, right? 1:00:48 But if a student wanted to go there, 1:00:49 they'd just take off their uniform and 1:00:51 go in. If a soldier wanted to go in, 1:00:54 they'd change clothes first, right? 1:00:56 Precisely because of that This is just 1:01:00 a joke. 1:01:02 Understood. 1:01:03 Understood, Doc. Alright, brothers and 1:01:05 sisters. We haven't realized we are 1:01:09 approaching imsak time, and we will 1:01:12 close with a conclusion to be delivered 1:01:15 by Dr. Nugrah. Please, Doctor. 1:01:18 Alright. First, hopefully, our Ramadan 1:01:21 will be a success. 1:01:23 May we become more careful and pious in 1:01:26 every aspect of our lives. Second, 1:01:31 specifically within the medical 1:01:34 profession, hopefully we medical 1:01:41 personnel, especially doctors, will be 1:01:44 given a strong memory to always 1:01:47 remember our medical oath. Hopefully, 1:01:51 because that is the spirit of the 1:01:53 nobility of the medical profession. So 1:01:58 once again, may God grant us a strong 1:02:01 memory of what we have pledged so that 1:02:04 we will be guarded in maintaining the 1:02:07 honor of the medical profession, and 1:02:10 thus we will be saved in this world and 1:02:13 the hereafter. Amen. 1:02:16 Lastly, once again, hopefully Rasil 1:02:21 will always continue to develop, 1:02:24 provide benefits to the ummah, provide 1:02:29 enlightenment to our brothers and 1:02:32 sisters, and become a path to weaving 1:02:40 brotherhood, so that those who have 1:02:43 been divided and at odds can hold hands 1:02:46 , embrace each other, smile together in 1:02:50 the world while enjoining good and 1:02:53 forbidding evil, compete in goodness, 1:02:57 and in the hereafter, we gather 1:03:00 together in heaven, God willing. 1:03:04 Amen ya rabbal alamin. And we are 1:03:06 recording this in the doctor's room, 1:03:09 right, Kang Rizal? Where I see a hadith 1:03:13 narrated by Muslim. The state of a 1:03:16 believer is truly amazing, for all of 1:03:18 their affairs are good. And this does 1:03:21 not happen to anyone except a true 1:03:23 believer. If they receive prosperity, 1:03:25 they are grateful, and that is good for 1:03:27 them. And if they are afflicted with 1:03:29 hardship, they are patient, and that is 1:03:31 good for them. Is this the doctor's 1:03:33 motto? Yes, that is one of the things I 1:03:39 contemplate most often, because for 1:03:41 someone—that is why, once again, 1:03:43 things like this are just theory or 1:03:46 lecture material here, but in Gaza we 1:03:51 see 1:03:52 the application 1:03:53 the application and implementation in 1:03:56 life, that whatever happens to us, we 1:03:59 should have good thoughts about Allah, 1:04:02 that it is the best for us, even if we 1:04:06 feel it is bitter. So sometimes we 1:04:09 really have to realize that pills are 1:04:12 not always sweet, 1:04:13 but they are for our own good. 1:04:17 Well, that is what we are sometimes too 1:04:20 late to realize, leading us to harbor 1:04:22 suspicion toward God. That’s why 1:04:25 I’d like to share something, perhaps 1:04:28 as a closing, since it is almost time 1:04:30 for imsak. A short poem that I once 1:04:34 recited at a religious gathering. 1:04:37 May I? It won't be more than two 1:04:39 minutes. 1:04:40 The story goes like this: at a 1:04:41 religious gathering, 1:04:44 I spoke about this issue, and the host, 1:04:48 who happened to be an Indonesian 1:04:51 language teacher, turned it into a poem 1:04:54 . When I asked for a beautiful, 1:05:01 colorful butterfly. You gave me a 1:05:06 disgusting, hairy caterpillar. When I 1:05:13 asked for a fragrant, beautiful, 1:05:16 blooming rose, You gave me a dry, 1:05:19 thorny cactus. I protested. Oh God, 1:05:26 what is my fault? What am I lacking? 1:05:32 You told me to pray, I prayed. You 1:05:36 asked me to fast, I fasted. You told me 1:05:41 to give alms, I gave alms. You even 1:05:43 commanded me to perform Hajj and Umrah, 1:05:45 and I did them all. But why didn't You 1:05:48 grant my request? My heart grew 1:05:52 restless. I became anxious. My sleep 1:05:57 was no longer peaceful. Days turned 1:06:02 into weeks, weeks into months, the dry 1:06:06 season turned into the rainy season. 1:06:14 That disgusting, hairy caterpillar 1:06:16 turned into a cocoon. And then, from 1:06:21 that cocoon emerged a beautiful, 1:06:24 colorful butterfly, flying and adorning 1:06:28 the sky. The dry, thorny cactus began 1:06:37 to turn green. Branches and twigs grew, 1:06:42 with leaves fresh and pleasing to the 1:06:45 eye. It bloomed with fragrance, 1:06:50 beautifying its surroundings. I 1:06:56 realized. Oh God, forgive me. Forgive 1:07:07 my arrogance. Because I had harbored 1:07:11 bad thoughts about You, Oh God. I had 1:07:14 suspected You, Oh God. Forgive me, Oh 1:07:19 God. Astagfirullahaladzim. Well, that 1:07:23 is a short piece that friends can look 1:07:30 for in the anthology, poetry, 1:07:36 Taufik and life. You can look for it at 1:07:43 Gramedia or other bookstores. Please go 1:07:48 ahead and look for it. God willing, if 1:07:50 you look for it for a month, you won't 1:07:52 find it because it has never been 1:07:54 printed. Doctor, let's close with a 1:08:01 message for Rasil, Doctor. 1:08:04 Yes. 1:08:05 A message for Rasil. Ah, yes, that 1:08:08 message for Rasil, I have actually 1:08:10 already conveyed it. Provide benefits 1:08:13 to everyone, because the best among you 1:08:16 is the one who is beneficial to others. 1:08:19 When they are divided, unite them. When 1:08:23 they are suffering, bring them 1:08:25 happiness. When they are lost, show 1:08:29 them the way. Rasil can do that, God 1:08:32 willing. 1:08:33 Very well. Thank you, Doctor, thank you 1:08:38 Kang Rizal, and especially to all 1:08:40 listeners of Radio Silaturrahim from 1:08:43 Sabang to Merauke, we thank you. Thank 1:08:47 you. Thank you from Yogyakarta. Enjoy 1:08:51 your suhoor meal with your family. Stay 1:08:55 healthy always. We must take our leave 1:08:58 from your listening space. 1:09:00 Subhanakallahumma wabihamdika, ashadu 1:09:02 alla ilaha illa anta, astaghfiruka wa 1:09:05 atubu ilaik. Doctor, thank you very 1:09:07 much. Assalamu'alaikum warahmatullahi 1:09:11 wabarakatuh. 1:09:12 Wa'alaikumsalam warahmatullahi 1:09:13 wabarakatuh. 
