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0:05 Brail TV. 0:12 Peace be upon you, Brother Ihsanudin 0:14 Nursi. 0:16 And peace be upon you too. Thank God. 0:22 Okay. 0:24 Eh, Brother Ihsanuddin Nursi, what is 0:26 happening to Indonesia? It seems the 0:31 PPKM is like when we order, what is it, 0:34 level 1, 2, 3, 4 spicy chicken, and it 0:36 just keeps getting extended. 0:39 Wow, and extended over and over. Let's 0:42 see how long this performance lasts. 0:45 But a funny performance we see in this 0:47 country is the Yulia Ri verdict. The 0:51 story was, she was supposed to be 0:52 hanged at Monas, right? Whether on a 0:54 kencur tree or a sengon tree. I forgot 0:56 to ask which tree. 0:57 But now we can no longer ask about the 1:00 hanging part. In fact, how long was it? 1:02 12 years. Who knows how long she'll 1:05 actually serve because we have so many 1:06 discounts here. Second, Novel Baswedan 1:09 is upset, because the term "survivor" 1:12 is being used for anti-corruption 1:15 educators. As if it were COVID, calling 1:17 them survivors. Survivors are those who 1:19 hold on, right? So, how do you see our 1:22 country, Brother Ihsanuddin Nursi? It 1:25 seems corruption can't be put in a 1:27 museum, Brother. Ah, 1:29 it starts from 1:30 go ahead. 1:32 It starts from the justification of 1:34 human rights that 1:36 he 1:37 someone who has once been, uh a convict 1:44 can still become a public official. 1:50 That is a Constitutional Court decision 1:52 , that one's political rights are not 1:54 revoked 1:55 because they are considered to have 1:57 served their sentence, that's the 1:58 position. Even though when someone 2:02 becomes a prisoner, and here they're 2:09 called a survivor, then, uh there is a 2:14 moral record attached to them that they 2:18 are a former prisoner. Indeed, when I 2:22 meet with a number of corruptors, yes, 2:27 heh. 2:27 If we use the language 2:29 many people call them robbers, 2:31 robbers. 2:33 Pirates. 2:34 Yes. Plunderers. 2:38 Uh, some are ashamed. 2:40 Hm. "Wow, I can no longer appear," they 2:44 know their place, right? 2:46 True. They know their place. 2:48 They know their place. I have met those 2:49 who are ashamed like that. 2:51 That is very true. Their literacy, 2:52 education, and family standing are 2:54 completely destroyed. True. 2:56 I have met them. 2:58 But I also met those who have no sense 3:02 of shame left. Gosh. 3:06 So, I have encountered both, and even 3:09 those who have no shame 3:13 feel the need to keep appearing in 3:15 public. H 3:17 not just appearing in public, their 3:18 political rights must also be 3:20 maintained. 3:21 H 3:22 meaning they still have the right to 3:27 move forward. Even though in people's 3:31 notes, one may forgive but perhaps 3:36 cannot forget, as they say. 3:38 Yes. There are things we can forgive 3:42 but we cannot forget that there is a 3:45 bad record on the person concerned. 3:49 Now, once it reaches the point of a bad 3:51 record on the person concerned, that is 3:56 part of what is called personal 3:58 integrity, part of the story of 4:01 personal credibility. 4:03 Hm. Now, uh in Indonesia, when someone 4:10 has become a survivor and the legal 4:13 process is finished, it's considered 4:16 okay, 4:17 you know. 4:19 So the law is very materialistic. In my 4:23 view, the law is very materialistic. 4:28 It doesn't build a legal system based 4:31 on solid values. Yes. 4:34 Materialistic law is fragile, isn't it? 4:37 It can appear, it can disappear. It can 4:39 appear, it can disappear. If it's 4:41 value-based, it's not. Its position is 4:44 relatively more eternal. Then emerges 4:50 the behavior of people like those 4:52 mentioned by Novel Baswedan, 4:55 where corruption survivors appear as 4:56 whistleblowers. That illustrates that 5:02 in reality, the application of 5:04 materialistic law can justify something 5:07 wrong and can blame something right, 5:10 you see. So, it’s all relative. Yeah. 5:17 Now, that relativity is truly dominant, 5:20 and being all relative in other terms 5:23 is equivalent to having such strong 5:25 uncertainty. When uncertainty is so 5:29 strong in legal terms, there is no 5:31 justice. 5:32 Mm. 5:32 That’s the logical correlation. 5:35 Yes. 5:36 The intensity and strength of 5:38 relativity in social life are equal to 5:42 uncertainty. Uncertainty in legal terms 5:45 is equal to the absence of justice. 5:48 That is why Juliari Batubara was given 5:50 a lighter sentence on the grounds that 5:52 he was humiliated in public. How about 5:56 Habib Rizieq, for example? 5:58 Yes, that's it. 6:00 How about Habib Rizieq? Is he not 6:02 humiliated, or does he remain 6:04 praiseworthy? It gets interesting there 6:06 , doesn't it? 6:06 Yes. Today is Habib Rizieq's 56th 6:08 birthday. 6:08 Yes. Five. Yes. Yes. I hope, I wish the 6:13 Habib well, saying may you be firmer, 6:17 stronger, 6:20 and more persistent. Amen. 6:22 In the context of me expressing it. 6:29 Can you imagine if the judges talk 6:32 about justice like that, leading Habib 6:34 Rizieq to say, "See you in the 6:37 afterlife court"? That is a picture of 6:40 the lack of certainty here. Mm. 6:42 That's the correlation. Habib Rizieq 6:46 sees the decision made by the judges as 6:48 a portrait of uncertainty in this world 6:50 , and only the court in the afterlife 6:52 will provide certainty, that's his 6:54 position. Yet people forget that to get 6:58 to the afterlife, there is a journey in 7:00 this world. If the journey in this 7:02 world is not right, then the afterlife 7:04 won't be right either. Look at the 7:08 simplicity of it. It depends on what 7:10 you invest in in this world. If in this 7:13 world you invest in goodness and truth, 7:15 God willing, in the afterlife, you will 7:18 reap the investment of goodness and 7:20 truth. Don't reverse truth and goodness 7:22 . Truth first, then goodness. Yes. 7:25 So we will reap truth and goodness. 7:28 What is the investment of truth? It is* 7:31 al-haqqu mir rabbik*. 7:33 Exactly. *Al-haqqu mir rabbik*. Now, 7:35 that's the investment. As for the 7:38 reward, it is His goodness, because 7:40 Allah never commits evil. 7:43 No evil emerges from Him. Allah is the 7:46 enforcer against those who indeed 7:49 commit unrighteousness and untruth. In 7:52 the language of the Quran, it is called 7:55 *wa kafaru*, right? 7:57 Whatever the matter is. So the method 8:00 of thinking becomes like that. This is 8:03 what we are currently facing in 8:04 Indonesia. Why is it like that? Because 8:08 all social, political, and economic 8:11 systems are based on total materialism. 8:16 So, the world of materialism and 8:18 pragmatism has heavily colored 8:20 Indonesian civilization over this last 8:23 generation. What does that mean? It 8:27 means that since the amendment of the 8:29 1945 Constitution, Indonesia has 8:31 effectively been practicing a 8:32 civilization of materialism, as I call 8:34 it. Now, that materialism is what leads 8:39 to a situation where people can insult 8:43 religion, 8:44 people can insult the beliefs of others 8:46 . Now, if the minority insults the 8:50 majority, it's not hate speech, but 8:53 their right because they pay taxes. Now 8:56 , regarding this Kece guy, he really is 8:59 quite insolent. Has the militancy of 9:03 the ummah been questioned? This isn't 9:07 personal; it's our icon being insulted, 9:10 which is a problem. How does Bang 9:13 Hanuddin Nursi see it? Why were the 9:16 murals handled so quickly yesterday, 9:18 but this is taking so long? Why, 9:21 Bang? First, if it's about murals, 9:24 that's materialism. 9:26 Hmm. 9:27 And they happened to fit the mold of 9:28 materialism. In this case, the 9:31 officials currently holding power. Yeah 9:35 . 9:35 Whereas Muhammad Kece's status is 9:37 immaterial or spiritual. 9:38 Hmm. 9:39 For example, the matter of the Prophet 9:41 Muhammad supposedly not entering 9:43 heaven. His position 9:45 regarding the Qur'an is like that. I 9:47 don't want to repeat it, okay? 9:48 Yes. Let's not give him a stage. 9:51 Yes. I don't want to repeat those words 9:53 . Yeah. 9:55 But it proves that if a minority group 9:59 or anyone does something like that to 10:02 the majority, the majority must forgive 10:06 them. 10:08 Hmm. 10:08 The majority must show their greatness 10:11 and their magnanimity, in that position 10:13 . 10:14 Even if it's a prank case, for example, 10:16 just forgive them. If there is hatred, 10:19 just forgive them. We are asked to show 10:23 excessive tolerance. So, an overdose of 10:26 tolerance. 10:27 Because we have been accused of being 10:30 intolerant, we must be tolerant toward 10:32 what is actually untrue and wrong. That 10:35 was the thesis earlier. 10:37 Yes. 10:37 The thesis is about goodness and truth. 10:39 So that is the moment when we are 10:41 actually being tested on how far our 10:44 tolerance boundaries go. 10:48 Now, those boundaries of tolerance, if 10:50 you use religion, have a threshold. It 10:54 is impossible that there are no 10:56 thresholds. Even the presidential 10:59 threshold or parliamentary threshold 11:00 has a limit, 11:03 let alone matters like this regarding 11:07 the Prophet, or when Gus Baha 11:11 criticized Sukarno, which is our 11:14 history; we can forgive but we cannot 11:18 forget how the PKI moved. 11:21 YouTube acts very quickly, but why is 11:24 this one so slow, Bang? 11:26 The case of Gus Baha criticizing this 11:28 nation serves as a reminder for us. 11:30 There are many guardians of this 11:32 nation's struggle, you know. Yes. Again 11:36 , it’s really because the bias toward 11:40 one system, one group, or one set of 11:44 values 11:46 is excessive. Hmm. 11:48 We should really be acting fairly. 11:52 bias toward a single system, or a group 11:55 , or a ruling group, you know 11:58 it should actually be shown to be fair, 12:01 because justice belongs to everyone. So 12:06 , social justice in Pancasila terms 12:09 means there shouldn't be any 12:11 exclusivity in bias or propriety for 12:13 certain parties. When propriety, 12:18 decency, and bias belong only to some 12:20 and not to others, that is injustice. 12:24 So, you want to embrace injustice—I 12:27 don't want to use John Rawls 'long 12:29 debate on justice 12:33 procedural justice or distributional 12:34 justice, that’s the position. 12:37 And then justice is consumed. But the 12:40 source of justice itself is the issue. 12:44 So, if we look at it, we can actually 12:47 see that justice can be viewed from the 12:50 side of its resources, its production, 12:53 its distribution, and its consumption. 12:57 What is the source of justice? There is 13:00 the source of human wisdom alone, 13:01 without religion. 13:03 Meaning, based on ethics or justice 13:05 based on morals. The morals are not 13:08 essential morals, but relative morals. 13:11 Yeah. 13:12 Or perhaps justice originates from God, 13:16 for example, which is then produced. 13:22 Now, this production relates to the 13:24 science of feeling, thought, and action 13:27 manifested in bias. 13:30 H. 13:30 Then, it is distributed. If it is 13:33 distributed only as decency and 13:35 propriety. I repeat, if decency, 13:38 propriety, and bias are only for 13:40 certain rights, then it is only 13:41 consumed by certain parties, not by 13:43 others—that's how to think about it. 13:47 Okay, now let's take what happened with 13:50 Gus Baha and then, say, Muad Kece or 13:53 John Refra—Kei, or the others. 13:58 Like the one abroad, who they say never 14:00 gets caught. That's the position of 14:04 that person. That shows that justice, 14:09 in the productional and distributional 14:13 approach, is decent, proper, and biased 14:17 only toward certain parties. Other 14:23 parties are not deemed decent, proper, 14:25 or deserving of that truth, you see. So 14:32 , once again, they are essentially the 14:34 producers of injustice. 14:39 So the greatest test for the Muslim 14:42 community today is that the amended 14:45 Constitution is a Constitution of 14:48 Materialism, which produces problems of 14:51 injustice because its basis is 14:54 materialism, with extraordinary 14:56 relativity. Now, at that point, I found 15:03 one thing most interesting here. 15:07 What is it? uh The loss of the meaning 15:12 of "by the grace of God Almighty and 15:14 inspired by the noble desire" doesn't 15:16 align with Article 29, paragraph 1, 15:18 that the state is based on belief in 15:20 the one and only God. Social justice in 15:25 the fifth point of Pancasila, if we 15:28 truly examine it, is the main grain, 15:31 the main fruit of belief in the One 15:34 Almighty God, woven from the first, 15:36 second, third, and fourth paragraphs, 15:39 simplified into a state based on the 15:42 One Almighty God where every citizen... 15:48 ...has the right to practice their 15:49 beliefs and obligations, their faith 15:51 according to their own creeds. This 15:54 means that, in reality, this country is 15:57 not solely based on materialism. There 16:01 are religious attitudes upheld by the 16:04 constitution in the state's 16:06 relationship with divinity, and then in 16:09 the third paragraph: "By the grace of 16:11 God Almighty and motivated by the 16:14 desire." The terminology of God, the 16:19 terminology of the Almighty in the 16:21 preamble, the terminology in Article 29 16:24 paragraph 1: "Belief in the One 16:26 Almighty God," followed by practicing 16:28 faith and worship according to one's 16:31 own creed. 16:34 There are religious elements that are 16:36 so thick in the life of our nation and 16:38 state. When problems arise such as 16:41 those involving Gus Baha and the 16:44 Muhammad Kece case and several other 16:46 cases, what is depicted is that this 16:49 country is a state of materialism. That 16:52 is why, relatively speaking, there is a 16:54 misinterpretation there. 16:57 The meaning of interpretation and 16:58 enforcement is not carried out based on 17:00 that. I want to say that this is 17:03 becoming very dangerous. Yes. 17:06 Very dangerous. 17:08 Justice. 17:09 Because you are showcasing a model that 17:12 contrasts divinity with materialism, 17:15 spiritualism with materialism. You are 17:19 casting aside spiritualism and 17:20 establishing materialism. Whereas the 17:23 original 1945 Constitution system is a 17:25 model of balance between spiritualism 17:27 and materialism, where the spiritualism 17:30 is based on God Almighty and belief in 17:32 the One Almighty God. 17:34 Hm. This, this thought structure is 17:37 like that, you see. In its value 17:40 structure, it is like that. So if we 17:42 talk earlier about how justice finds 17:45 its source, then the source of justice 17:48 comes from God. And when that source 17:53 comes only from human thought, only 17:55 from human sentiment, and human 17:57 sentiment and thought are positioned as 17:59 the sole arbiters of worthiness, 18:01 propriety, truth, and goodness for 18:03 certain parties and not others, 18:05 imbalance arises, injustice emerges. I 18:08 That is what we are actually facing. 18:12 Even charismatic figures are confused, 18:14 wondering how this Muslim-majority 18:15 country could have Islam insulted like 18:17 this. We are indeed incredibly patient, 18:21 as proven by those 350 years. But, Bang 18:25 K, I want to ask. Yesterday, I saw a 18:27 YouTube video circulating about the 18:29 issue of justice. I saw it regarding 18:32 Afghanistan. Regardless of the pros and 18:36 cons, the latest situation is when the 18:38 Taliban community set up a simple court 18:41 , but they used a court instead of 18:43 acting like other groups. Neat, simple, 18:47 and truly looking at justice. This is 18:50 just an initial snapshot. Who knows how 18:52 the story will unfold, Bang Ihsanuddin 18:55 Nusi. Look, this is leading toward 18:57 Sharia, which is so feared here. Please 19:01 , go ahead. 19:01 I happen to be reading various media 19:06 outlets, Sir. 19:07 Correct. True. Yes. Looking at 19:09 everything from left to right. 19:10 Yes. I happen to read them, I don't 19:13 need to name them, right? Usually I 19:14 mention them, but this time I won't. 19:16 Yes, not just one or two that I read in 19:18 Western Indonesia. 19:20 The campaign is still about the bad 19:22 side of the Taliban. 19:23 True. 19:26 But at the same time, we also find 19:28 media outside the mainstream talking 19:31 about 19:33 trials and punishments for 19:36 traitors. Yes. 19:39 That is happening. 19:41 Hm. 19:42 So they are proving it through a 19:44 judicial process, not just a court, but 19:46 a judicial process 19:49 to uphold justice. The status of 19:51 someone, whether they are really 19:54 involved, in Afghanistan conflicts 19:56 between one another are maintained and 19:59 nurtured to divide and conquer 20:01 like that, right? Divide and rule, 20:02 divide and rule. Yes. It's always like 20:06 that. 20:07 The model is always like that and it is 20:08 done by 20:10 by those called the nations that 20:13 defeated England, that defeated 20:16 Turkey, the Abbasids, right? 20:19 The original model is being infiltrated 20:23 , divided, what I call invaded, 20:26 intervened, and infiltrated. 20:30 That is what happened. Now, but in the 20:32 case of the Taliban, when they win and 20:34 then they carry out judicial processes 20:36 against the traitors, that's the 20:38 position. Like it or not, it must be 20:41 admitted that traitors are very 20:42 dangerous. If we use the language of 20:46 the Qur'an, the traitor is essentially 20:47 a hypocrite, right? 20:49 Hm. 20:50 And in the language of the Qur'an, they 20:52 are in the deepest hell, that's their 20:53 position. So it is upheld, the point 20:57 being that the truth from Allah can 21:00 never be negotiated. That's how we take 21:11 the logic. We don't need to take the 21:14 Sharia framework from the scholars or 21:16 the thoughts of the teachers yet, right 21:17 ? We just take the position from the 21:20 verses like that. We can also find it 21:22 in the hadith. That is the position 21:25 regarding how hypocrites always act 21:27 like that. How traitors always act like 21:29 that, that is the structure. And indeed 21:33 , if they are known to be hypocrites 21:34 but don't repent, they shouldn't be 21:36 given the chance to hold public office. 21:40 They shouldn't be given the chance to 21:42 rise in social stratification. So the 21:45 justice upheld by the Prophet against 21:47 the hypocrites was that they were never 21:49 given an opportunity; there was no 21:51 chance at all for the person concerned 21:53 to even socialize, it was already 21:55 difficult. 21:57 Because they had already been labeled 21:59 as hypocrites. And this happened in the 22:03 history of the Prophet, meeting people 22:06 like this, and that's because the 22:08 Prophet easily obtained that 22:10 information through Allah's role, for 22:13 instance, through angels. 22:17 But human beings who truly have clean 22:19 hearts, pure intuition, and straight 22:21 thinking. Let me repeat. 22:24 Yes. 22:24 Pure intuition, straight thinking. 22:27 Their actions refer to their intuition 22:29 and thoughts. Meaning they are 22:31 steadfast in truth and goodness. Then 22:33 they can see who a person is, who the 22:36 traitor is. That is why I dare call a 22:38 number of clerics traitors. For 22:40 instance, right? 22:42 Because we know their role in turning 22:44 basic creeds upside down. I say basic 22:47 creeds, mind you, that are being turned 22:49 upside down. Don't take it lightly. And 22:51 it is terrifying when basic creeds are 22:53 distorted and turned upside down. That 22:55 position is terrifying. Now, entering 22:59 the realm of politics, when that 23:01 happens and those traitors are 23:03 justified to hold public office. Yes, 23:07 this is what I mean, the problem is a 23:10 macro problem of our education. That is 23:13 what the West is attacking Indonesia 23:15 for, exhaustively. The Taliban 23:17 succeeded because of their education 23:18 system, right? If I take this example, 23:21 I happen to have the video, Ahis, and 23:23 viewers, and the rail TV position is 23:24 heard. 23:28 I got a video of how those Taliban, 23:30 their ustads, created long corridors 23:33 filled with teenagers being cultivated 23:36 to uphold the principle of Iqra. Not 23:40 just a principle of 23:41 schooling, mind you, a schooling 23:42 principle. No. 23:43 Yes. 23:43 But the principle of 23:45 iqra bismi rabbik. How could they not 23:48 be resilient in facing things when the 23:50 learning models upheld are like that 23:51 Iqra model? The Iqra learning model is 23:55 not just teaching, not just learning, 23:58 but simultaneously includes training, 24:00 transferring, and coaching. 24:03 So, cumulatively, it is called 24:05 character formation, which occurs in 24:07 the heart, in the mind, and manifests 24:10 in actions. Now, when we look at the 24:14 model in Indonesia, our failure is not 24:16 just at the level of general education, 24:19 but also in pesantren. Concepts emerged 24:24 about pesantren, schools that emphasize 24:26 manners, schools that emphasize 24:28 behavior, schools that establish 24:32 values of intellectual intelligence, 24:35 for example. That is truly a critique 24:37 of the education system in Indonesia. 24:40 So, if I take my studies, for example, 24:43 why must education, health, and social 24:46 relations be attacked at the public 24:49 level? Because they are indeed applying 24:52 a model of pure materialism. 24:55 So, returning to the model Aan Salib 24:58 mentioned, why is this nation like this 25:00 ? Because this nation has been 25:03 successfully infiltrated and its 25:07 education model intervened, so the 25:10 power of "Allahu Akbar" on November 10, 25:13 '45, ended up as, "I'm going home, the 25:16 fried rice is delicious, eating 25:19 meatballs and a wonderful welcome."" 25:22 Even though we are in a crisis, we will 25:24 still provide scholarships." That 25:26 happened on November 10, 2010. So there 25:31 is a model where we are attacked softly 25:33 without us realizing it. That is what 25:36 is called soft diplomacy. 25:38 Extraordinarily soft diplomacy. Even 25:40 though a massive attack is actually 25:42 happening. That is effectively part of 25:45 what is called a proxy war. Distancing. 25:49 So when the statement "I'm going home 25:51 to eat delicious fried rice, delicious 25:54 meatballs, even though we are in a 25:56 crisis, we will still provide 25:57 scholarships for smart Indonesian 25:59 children" is made. Subhanallah. La 26:03 haula wala quata illa billah. This is 26:05 the resistance of November 10, '45. You 26:09 know. That is why it was done on 26:11 November 10, 2010. 26:13 Hm. 55 years later, they raised it; in 26:16 my lecture, I said we are witnessing 26:19 how they are spreading their banners of 26:22 victory in our own home. That is a 26:25 proxy. 26:26 Yes, through education—education is 26:28 indeed extraordinary—but with top 26:30 diplomacy. 26:31 And before, uh, no, and afterward there 26:33 was what is called a reprimand to the 26:35 Foreign Minister because the Foreign 26:37 Minister did not approve the deployment 26:39 of Marine troops at the location 26:40 because it disturbed the area. I 26:43 understand a lot, I know a lot about 26:46 the situation, based on the data I have 26:48 . So, it means what is actually 26:52 requested by the teachings in the 26:54 education system concept. Uh, now our 26:57 education system, instead, religious 26:59 education is being removed, this 27:01 education, I recall. So, yesterday we 27:04 talked about Lendo Novo who passed away 27:07 at 57. You know him, right, Brother? 27:09 Yes. This is... 27:10 I happened to know Lendo Novo, he was 27:13 my junior at the Al-Azhar Grand Mosque. 27:16 Oh, I see. 27:17 So we, uh, I was his senior, he was my 27:19 junior, he participated in Islamic 27:20 boarding school training at Al-Azhar. I 27:23 was his mentor, how about that? 27:26 And that means our education is truly 27:28 extraordinary. This is not to mention 27:31 this huge education train, this large 27:34 bureaucratic ship, it seems I don't 27:36 know how to break through it. Because 27:40 our country is actually quite large, it 27:43 requires a leadership that can change 27:45 this system which used to be good. But 27:48 it doesn't even reach 20-30%who can 27:50 read the Quran, for example, in terms 27:52 of belief in the One Almighty God, let 27:55 alone understand it, let alone practice 27:57 it, and justice literacy is now getting 27:59 further and further away from reality. 28:02 How do you see the world of education, 28:04 Brother? 28:04 I—I won't take the Middle East as an 28:07 example, okay. He. 28:08 I won't take the Middle East as an 28:10 example. I'll just take America as an 28:13 example, which Indonesians admire in 28:14 education. 28:17 Because they are in awe of MIT, in awe 28:19 of Harvard, in awe of Princeton, you 28:22 know, in awe of Stanford, for example, 28:24 their position. If we look at America, 28:29 education is actually classified into 28:31 three; the state remains responsible, 28:33 for instance, for providing education, 28:36 such as the public schools they have. 28:39 Washington University is state-owned, 28:41 for example. 28:42 Yes. 28:43 Then the state also remains responsible 28:46 , for example, by providing education 28:48 credit. 28:49 Do you remember when Obama was in power 28:51 , people were making a fuss? What about 28:53 this ballooning education debt, people 28:55 having trouble paying it back due to 28:57 the economic crisis. It even still 28:59 exists in the Biden era. 29:01 In the Trump era it was a problem, in 29:02 the Biden era it is still there. That 29:03 is the second model. The third model is 29:06 entirely for, uh, rich people, in terms 29:09 of payment aspects. 29:11 But in terms of values, they have a 29:14 standard model that what must be 29:16 provided is this, this, and this. Yes, 29:19 the curriculum remains like that. Now, 29:23 for outsiders entering their country e- 29:26 to obtain a scholarship, whether 29:28 through certain foundations, the state, 29:31 or otherwise, there are boundaries 29:33 where you cannot do this, but you must 29:35 do that regarding your studies. Uh, 29:40 they are even actually asked to become 29:42 informants regarding, ah, this is 29:44 interesting. 29:46 Becoming informants on their own 29:48 countries and conducting studies so 29:49 they have a database. That's right, 29:52 many are nurtured, continuously 29:54 nurtured. 29:55 Yes, continuously nurtured. 29:56 Continuously nurtured. 29:56 Continuously nurtured afterwards, but. 29:58 Beforehand, you are asked to be a spy, 30:00 like that. 30:02 Providing deep information about your 30:04 country and then you write it down; 30:06 that is their form, that is the 30:08 position. Yeah. 30:10 In Islamic studies as well, it's the 30:12 same; you have to see what the 30:13 weaknesses and shortcomings are, or you 30:15 are given boundaries on how you don't 30:17 need to discuss this or that, that's 30:19 the position. There are those kinds of 30:22 boundaries in that position. Then there 30:24 is also a motive that is indeed for the 30:27 purpose of cadre formation, you are 30:28 nurtured, as the term goes, in that 30:30 position. 30:31 Being a cadre is not just for education 30:33 ; later there will also be short 30:35 courses, whether 6-month or 1-year 30:37 short courses. Position. 30:38 Yes. 30:39 That position is carried out using that 30:41 model. Now, currently in Indonesia, uh, 30:44 I just spoke with Husnul Mari yesterday 30:46 . 30:48 We are also giving leeway for western 30:50 educational institutions or foreign 30:51 educational institutions to spread 30:53 across. 30:55 In Indonesia, specifically in the big 30:56 cities, that's what I mean. 30:58 Can you imagine how what is called war 31:01 has become a fact, and that is an 31:03 educational war? Now, Indonesians who 31:06 are busy with symbols, Indonesians busy 31:09 with image, people busy with, uh, 31:12 packaging positions, right? Oh, the 31:15 important thing is that the packaging 31:16 is cool. Uh, you drive a Mercy S400, 31:18 they don't care if the S400 is from 31:20 corruption; for example, you have a 31:22 private jet, they don't care if the jet 31:24 is the result of corruption. You own a 31:27 small island, they don't care if the 31:28 island was owned through corruption, 31:29 they don't care if it was stolen, for 31:30 example. It doesn't matter, the 31:33 important thing is the packaging is 31:34 cool, and society respects that wealth, 31:36 you know. That is what I call part of 31:39 the civilization of materialism. 31:43 Meaning there is a failure in education 31:46 in assessing, in measuring success, the 31:48 metrics of success. People like Nursi 31:52 would be considered failures in 31:53 politics, for example, right? Look at 31:57 his friends, they've become ministers, 31:59 and he's what? I've been told that 32:00 before. 32:03 A policy terrorist, his friends have 32:05 become ministers, his friends have 32:07 become ambassadors, and he's just there 32:09 , wandering the streets aimlessly, they 32:11 say. 32:15 And in the eyes of politicians, I am 32:17 looked down upon. 32:19 H. 32:20 Can you imagine? 32:21 Yes. 32:21 Sometimes even in the eyes of junior 32:23 politicians. 32:24 They arrogantly show it, especially if 32:26 they are the children of officials who 32:27 have become members of the DPR. No need 32:29 to mention which children of officials 32:30 have become DPR members or children of 32:32 officials who have become ministers. 32:34 Wow, the arrogance is extraordinary. 32:37 That is materialism and that is what I 32:39 face, and I don't just face it, maybe 32:41 the language is, uh, how should I put 32:44 it. 32:45 I experienced that, I felt it, looking 32:47 at it, boss, I truly saw that it is a 32:50 part of education. So what I call 32:53 governmental education, formal 32:55 education, community education, home 32:57 education. The mosque education that I 32:59 mentioned earlier, like that. 33:01 The results are visible. That's what I 33:04 said, scholars should truly teach that 33:07 the culture of materialism spread by 33:09 the devil in Al-Baqarah 29-30. The 33:14 devil teaches materialism, right? What 33:16 is it that the devil actually promises? 33:17 The devil teaches materialism in his 33:19 position. Now, if that then becomes 33:22 widespread and part of social 33:24 interaction and manifests as a 33:26 civilization, Subhanallah, that is 33:29 dangerous. 33:32 People are no longer seen as valuable 33:34 if 33:36 especially if their intellect has 33:38 become, sorry to say, an intellectual 33:40 prostitute, if you use that term. Sorry 33:43 , I apologize for saying that because 33:45 that is 33:46 a term among intellectuals. Wow, he has 33:48 become one. Well, that's how the story 33:50 goes. So, it has shifted. Likewise with 33:52 the scholars. Because intellectual 33:53 means the knowledgeable class. So if we 33:56 use Quranic language, Arabic, it means 33:58 the scholars, the people who have 34:00 knowledge. That is also part of it, the 34:02 society is already damaged. What does 34:04 that mean? The education system has 34:06 succeeded in making this nation shift 34:09 its life orientation. 34:11 So there is no problem with usury. 34:13 It’s okay to have a motorcycle on 34:15 credit. It’s okay to have a car on 34:17 credit, later we won’t have a 34:19 motorcycle or a car, but we can have a 34:21 house if it’s not on credit. 34:24 You are wrong, that is where the 34:26 opportunity enters to continue 34:28 exploiting and tempting with how 34:30 important it is to own something, while 34:32 at the same time the country is 34:34 forbidden to own. Understand this, 34:38 everything is being privatized. 34:41 The private sector must be privatized. 34:43 The important thing is to take the 34:44 benefits, they say, the benefits are 34:45 the most important, not not the 34:48 principles of ownership, 34:50 but the principles of utility, the 34:53 utility principle. 34:55 Using their language, it's not an 34:56 ownership principle; after all, 34:57 what’s the point of owning if it’s 34:59 not useful, that's the simple way to 35:01 put it. 35:01 Just imagine. 35:04 We pull that individual analysis into 35:06 the state, within the principles of 35:08 individualism, you are tempted with 35:11 that usury credit model to own a 35:13 motorcycle, car, and house. But at the 35:15 same time, the state is forbidden from 35:17 owning things like the resources 35:19 essential for the lives of many people. 35:22 And it must be privatized. Can you 35:24 imagine what is happening? That is what 35:26 I call ultra modern 35:30 and it is currently pushing forward 35:32 right up to Papua these days. Look at 35:35 the mines in Papua, for example. Hey, 35:38 brother. We've been chatting for 40 35:40 minutes. Ah, 35:41 what, brother, is the reminder here? 35:43 I'll be just a moment, just a moment. 35:45 Go on, go on, go on. 35:46 I met some listeners, brother, they 35:48 said to 35:52 the Ustaz, Ihsan, he said 35:55 how about if I am concise? I said, " 35:57 Don't, I suggest listening." 36:01 We will start at...later 36:05 or next time we start earlier, brother. 36:08 Let's talk earlier, even earlier, okay, 36:10 so we have more time, maybe almost 40 36:12 or 50 minutes, like that. 36:14 Yes. 36:15 Continue, brother, as, uh, heading 36:17 towards the end of the story, please. 36:20 Yes, uh, yesterday at a mosque, 36:24 Uh-huh. 36:25 A dawn sermon, you know, a dawn lecture 36:27 , a dawn study. 36:28 I said this. Uh-huh. 36:32 Investing in truth, uh, it happened to 36:34 be at a mosque in Depok. 36:36 Oh, the mosque in Kemang, they were 36:38 waiting for you, so many were asking me 36:40 about you. 36:42 Yes. 36:42 On the same frequency, they said. 36:44 Yes. So, uh, and I didn't expect the 36:48 mosque to be so full. 36:50 True. 36:51 Full, and they have the spirit to make 36:53 the mosque an effort for the 36:54 community's economic empowerment. Wow, 36:57 that's powerful. Extraordinary, by God. 36:59 In terms of response. I also 37:00 experienced the same thing in Bekasi, 37:02 also at a mosque in Cipinang. 37:05 So, the dawn lecture, the mosque was 37:07 full like that. It was crowded, sir. 37:10 Now, I said this, in a situation like 37:13 the present, because the journey of 37:15 life towards death can be through COVID 37:17 , I said, 37:20 which can happen in various ways, right 37:22 , that's the position. Because it 37:23 depends so much on our investment in 37:25 the world, it will determine the way we 37:27 meet death. Yes, so we should be 37:29 investing in truth and kindness. 37:32 Because the call is "ya ayyuhalladzina 37:34 amanu amilus-shalihat." And then 37:38 various verses show that human beings, 37:41 especially Muslims, the believers, are 37:44 invited to invest in kindness and truth 37:47 . Then I took one stage of life that 37:51 happened to the Islamic community. For 37:55 example, how there was closed 37:56 proselytizing, open proselytizing, and 37:59 how the migration happened, like that, 38:01 right? How about*qital*? 38:04 Defending oneself for one's beliefs, 38:05 that's the position. *Qital*is not 38:08 waging war, but*qital*is defending 38:08 oneself. 38:09 Defending oneself. 38:11 Defending oneself against the attacks 38:13 that arise. Then how about the conquest 38:15 of Mecca? How then the conquest, how 38:17 then the glory, seven stages until 38:19 finally it falls into eternity. Those 38:22 are the stages we take. So, if we look 38:25 at every stage, the content is only 38:28 three: investing in truth, investing in 38:31 kindness, and constancy (*istiqamah*). 38:35 Like that. 38:36 So, investing in truth and kindness 38:38 must be carried out with*istiqamah*in 38:40 that position. Then it will end in only 38:42 two possibilities. Ended with a good 38:46 end (*husnul khatimah*) or ended for 38:47 the sake of God (*fisabilillah*), just 38:48 those two. It's impossible to go astray 38:51 if you are*istiqamah*and stay in the 38:53 position of investing in truth and 38:54 kindness throughout the stages. Because 38:57 those stages will be experienced by 38:58 every human, will be experienced by 39:00 every group, right. Will be experienced 39:02 by every community, every people, every 39:04 social group, and will be experienced 39:06 by every country. They enter the stage 39:09 of secretly defending what is called 39:11 truth and kindness. Then openly, 39:14 because it must be open, and then they 39:16 must migrate totally in order to uphold 39:18 truth and kindness. Migration nowadays 39:21 is not migration in terms of place, but 39:23 a migration of attitude. It's already a 39:24 migration of attitude, a migration of 39:26 thought. That is why we were talking 39:27 about education earlier. The education 39:29 we should migrate toward is one that is 39:32 truly rooted in truth and goodness. And 39:34 then we must hold fast to that truth 39:36 and goodness. And then we must uphold 39:38 that completely in our position. Then 39:41 we will achieve a state of glory. 39:43 Now, that is what we ought to do. If in 39:45 the past we should have reflected on 39:48 Muharram 1443 Hijriah, it is to indeed 39:50 uphold its teachings. So that, the key 39:53 is we will encounter what is called 39:55 umatan wahidah (a single community). 39:57 If that is the orientation. So it is 40:00 not oriented toward social groups, 40:02 specific communities, or certain 40:04 factions, but rather oriented toward 40:06 answering the calling. Now, the basis 40:09 is only one. Even though Allah provides 40:12 three opportunities, the other two are 40:13 just impacts. What is that main basis? 40:16 Love for the teachings, 40:18 love for Allah. Meeting the creator 40:23 with love. 40:26 So the concept of love, the concept of 40:29 faith, the concept of investing in 40:32 goodness and truth, is based on the 40:34 love for Allah. Yes, that love is 40:38 manifested in the science of feeling, 40:40 in the science of thought, and the 40:42 science of action. With that, we will 40:46 then spread what is called rahmatan lil 40:51 alamin. So, it is a multiplier effect, 40:55 not an output, because Islam is 40:56 supposed to be rahmatan lil alamin. A 41:00 mercy for all, for all mankind. Correct 41:03 . But that only happens if Islam has 41:06 reached the position of being correctly 41:07 established in its output. As long as 41:11 Islam is viewed as an intolerant party, 41:13 a party that always carries out radical 41:15 and extreme acts, it will not be 41:17 rahmatan lil alamin. Thus, back to 41:23 Aisyah. What is true is solely by 41:25 Allah's will. What is wrong, I ask for 41:27 forgiveness from Allah. I apologize for 41:29 my position. Amin. 41:31 May we always be under His protection, 41:33 His blessings, and truly put our trust 41:35 in Him to uphold what is right and cast 41:37 away what is wrong. Wabillahi taufik 41:40 wal hidayah. Wassalamualaikum 41:41 warahmatullahi wabarakatuh. 
