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2:28 H Uh Rasil TVrahim. Peace be upon you, 3:51 and Allah's mercy and blessings. Praise 3:53 be to Allah, Lord of the worlds. Peace 3:55 and blessings upon our leader Muhammad. 3:58 And upon his family and companions, may 4:01 Allah increase my knowledge and grant 4:04 me beneficial wisdom. Broadcast from 4:07 Jalan Masjid Silaturahim number 36, 4:09 Kalimanggis, Cibubur, Bekasi. Radio 4:11 Silaturahim and Rasil TV for a united 4:14 Islam. Brothers and sisters blessed by 4:18 Allah Subhanahu wa ta'ala, wherever you 4:21 are, listening to the Rasil broadcast 4:23 tonight. How are you doing? I hope you 4:27 are all in good health. Meeting again 4:31 with me, Angga Aminudin, tonight from 4:34 the Rasil studio; I am accompanied by 4:36 Bang Yusuf Subangkit at the operator's 4:38 desk. There is also Neza as the 4:42 cameraman, and we are present for the 4:44 Buka Mata Buka Telinga program, Sunday 4:47 edition. We have entered the 23rd day 4:51 of August, 2026, the 11th day of Rabiul 4:57 Awal 1448 Hijriah. And our guest for 5:01 Buka Mata Buka Telinga, alhamdulillah, 5:04 has connected via the Zoom Meeting 5:07 application, Dr. Sarbini Abdul Murad. 5:10 Peace be upon you, and Allah's mercy 5:11 and blessings, Dr. Ben. 5:13 Peace be upon you, and Allah's mercy 5:15 and blessings. 5:16 How are you doing this evening, Doctor? 5:19 Alhamdulillah, I am in good health. 5:21 Alhamdulillah. We last met yesterday on 5:23 Friday, right, Doctor? 5:25 Yes. 5:26 In front of the embassy, 5:28 Sir. Large. 5:30 Yes. But yesterday's protest got quite 5:32 a bit of coverage, you know, Doctor. A 5:33 few TV stations, like TVOne, Metro, 5:36 Republika, and so on. They highlighted 5:39 yesterday's protest quite a lot, likely 5:40 because you were there giving the 5:42 speech, Doctor. 5:44 The moment of the Al-Aqsa burning was 5:46 just right. 5:47 Correct. Because that was the moment 5:48 being highlighted, right? 5:50 Yes. And tonight, we will raise the 5:53 topic of the Makkah Pact and the 5:55 Abraham Accords. What about Palestine? 5:59 Who will we invite, Doctor, to our Buka 6:01 Mata Buka Telinga tonight? Yes, 6:04 masyaallah, Mas Angga. On this occasion 6:07 , we are grateful to bring in a guest 6:10 who is truly concerned with issues of 6:13 conflict in the Middle East, from 6:15 Antara news agency, And certainly, on 6:24 this evening's occasion, we hope the 6:28 Rasil listeners can be more enlightened 6:32 by his views. Where we see that the 6:37 issue of the Makkah Pact and the 6:39 Abraham Accords is indeed something 6:42 that highly captures the attention of 6:44 all geopolitical experts, and we might 6:47 still hope for more than what was 6:49 achieved in the Makkah Pact. But will 6:53 it continue, or is it just a mere talk, 6:57 and so on? We shall listen to that from 7:02 a senior journalist. His name is Mr. 7:07 Asep Faturrahman, and I think we can 7:10 all discuss this topic together. 7:16 Alright, alright, and already connected 7:18 with us is our guest, Mr. Asep 7:20 Faturrahman, a senior journalist from 7:22 Antara news agency. Peace be upon you, 7:25 and Allah's mercy and blessings, Mr. 7:26 Asep. Peace be upon you, and Allah's 7:29 mercy and blessings, Sir. 7:32 Yes, welcome to the show Open Your Eyes 7:34 , Open Your Ears, Mr. Asep. 7:36 How are you doing? I hope you stay 7:41 healthy, Mr. Ben. 7:42 Oh, so you're Sundanese, huh? 7:43 Extraordinary, Mr. Ben. I follow his 7:46 activities, they are extraordinary. 7:48 Oh, yes. Thank you. Yes, that's right. 7:52 You have joined Open Your Eyes, Open 7:54 Your Ears. Alright, before we listen to 7:59 the presentation from Mr. Asfaturrahman 8:02 , as an opening, Dr. Ben, why did we 8:04 raise the topic of the Makkah Pact and 8:06 the Abraham Accords? What about the 8:10 fate of Palestine? Well, we noticed, 8:15 Masangga, that after the Israeli attack 8:19 on Qatar which caused casualties from 8:22 Hamas, Qatar as the host territory did 8:26 nothing. Even though there is an 8:30 American base there, and also a Turkish 8:32 base. But when Israel attacked the 8:37 Hamas office by violating the territory 8:40 of Qatar, there was no resistance from 8:44 Qatar. Then from the Gulf one 8:49 assumption is that the existence of the 8:52 American base is actually of no benefit 8:55 to the host. And then we see that when 9:00 the war happened, the war between 9:02 America and Iraq, we also saw how 9:05 America created big problems for the 9:07 Gulf countries. So the existence of 9:11 this base is actually like a parasite 9:14 for the country. Then Saudi Arabia is 9:18 trying to build trilateral 9:20 relationships with Muslim countries to 9:24 face, and to face this, we don't know 9:27 who we are facing. Whether we are 9:29 facing Iran, facing Israel, the Houthis 9:31 , or what, we don't know. 9:33 Now, behind that, America is also 9:36 trying to roll out the Abraham Accords. 9:39 These Accords are essentially Israel's 9:41 marketing tool. 9:44 They are trying to get countries to 9:47 recognize or come under one umbrella to 9:50 recognize the Israeli entity. So, for 9:55 that reason, on tonight's occasion, we 9:57 are trying to discuss this with our 10:00 resource person, Mr. Asep Ahmad, a 10:02 senior journalist who is concerned with 10:04 issues in the Middle East or West Asia. 10:08 What exactly is the Makkah Pact? That 10:17 is why our serious question is, will 10:20 Egypt join, and will Syria join? 10:26 Is it a pact like a house, sir? No 10:30 problem, sir. Uh. 10:37 We think as an opening, Masangga, 10:39 hopefully this is 10:41 a 10:42 compelling topic for tonight. 10:44 Alright, Dr. Ben Ikhwan Alhad can also 10:47 join us. Please send your questions or 10:49 comments to the Rasil WhatsApp number 10:51 at 0811999720. Alright, I will go to 10:58 Mr. Asep Faturrahman. Mr. Asep, I am 11:00 citing several news reports. Palestine 11:04 welcomes the Makkah Pact involving 11:06 Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Turkey. 11:10 This agreement is even considered a 11:12 step towards strengthening collective 11:14 security. Meanwhile, Western media has 11:18 reported that after the Abraham Accords 11:22 , there have been no real achievements, 11:25 and it is even said to be stagnant. 11:29 Finally, the Makkah Pact emerged. The 11:32 Makkah Pact is neither pro-Israel nor, 11:35 it is said, pro-Iran. So, which axis 11:38 does this Makkah Pact actually 11:40 strengthen, considering the Abraham 11:42 Accords and the normalization carried 11:44 out by Israel, and to what extent does 11:46 this really influence the political 11:49 situation in the Middle East? And we 11:51 actually need to be reminded of the 11:53 extent of the Abraham Accords and what 11:55 the Makkah Pact is all about. Please, 11:57 Mr. Asep, how would you like to start 11:58 our discussion? 12:01 Very well. Peace be upon you, and 12:02 Allah's mercy and blessings. Good 12:05 evening, Doctor, and to all the viewers 12:10 . First of all, this is very fitting 12:17 for the theme "open your eyes, open 12:20 your ears." That is what I want to say. 12:23 Why? Because behind the traps of the 12:28 Zionist Jews, Israel, and America, a 12:31 remarkable innovation has emerged. Uh, 12:39 many people are pessimistic, perhaps 12:42 too quick to label or judge, saying, " 12:45 MBS won't be able to do anything," 12:48 because we know his history. But I see, 12:53 why do we repeatedly read Surah 12:57 Al-Hujurat verse 10, Doctor? "Innamal 13:03 mukminuna ikhwatun," right? I seek 13:06 refuge in Allah from the accursed Satan 13:07 . "Innamal mukminuna ikhwatun faaslihu 13:12 baina akwaikum wattaqulaha laallakum 13:15 turhamun." Indeed, the believers are 13:19 brothers. Therefore, make peace between 13:22 them. So, in opening our eyes and ears, 13:25 first of all, we must base it within 13:28 the framework of Surah Al-Hujurat verse 13:31 10, for the sake of what? Uh, your 13:36 brothers, fostering brotherhood, right? 13:40 Muslims, believers. Because among the 13:44 believers, we are brothers according to 13:45 Allah, right? That we are servants of 13:49 Allah. Of course, we surrender to this 13:54 verse. "Wattaqullah." In addition, fear 13:58 Allah. "Laallakum turhamun." As a 14:02 complement, I would like to quote a 14:05 hadith narrated by Bukhari and Muslim. 14:10 The Messenger of Allah, peace be upon 14:12 him, said, "Do not envy one another, do 14:16 not hate one another, do not turn away 14:20 from one another, and be servants of 14:24 Allah as brothers." It is almost in 14:27 line with Surah Al-Hujurat verse 10. O 14:31 Muslims and believers, do not envy each 14:34 other, do not hate each other, do not 14:37 sever ties with each other. Be servants 14:42 of Allah who are brothers. Just as what 14:47 is stated in Surah Al-Hujurat verse 10. 14:53 The background of the Makkah Pact, as I 14:56 see it, Doctor, Mr. Angga, and all 14:59 viewers, was born from a situation of " 15:03 qadarullah," in my opinion, because it 15:06 is Allah's destiny. So we know, Doctor, 15:12 every American presidential candidate 15:16 wanting to appear must have the 15:19 approval of the American lobby, called 15:23 AIPAC, the American Israel Public 15:27 Affairs Committee. Without that 15:30 approval, they wouldn't be able to run 15:32 or show up. So everyone goes to pay 15:33 their respects. Well, once approved, 15:36 they become candidates and are 15:38 entrusted to all the Jewish figures. 15:46 Obama or whoever, all the elected 15:48 candidates are attached to them. 15:52 Without that, they wouldn't be able to 15:54 emerge as candidates, as far as I know. 15:57 So that is the door of legalization. So 16:00 from there, we know how every American 16:03 president is just a puppet. 16:07 Then there was a case, uh, what's his 16:10 name, Clinton, who once rebelled. 16:14 Clinton said something like, "Are we or 16:18 Israel actually the super power?" 16:22 Because he felt constantly dictated to. 16:25 So that Monica Lewinsky case happened, 16:27 where he was, you know, humiliated. So 16:31 it’s like all the presidents are held 16:33 hostage, the way I see it. Now, the one 16:35 grafted onto President Trump from this 16:38 AIPAC store is his own son-in-law, 16:41 Jared Kushner. Yes, it is this Jared 16:46 Kushner who is free to design things, 16:48 right? In my view, from that AIPAC, the 16:53 entire American foreign policy is set 16:55 to prioritize Israel. How is it 16:59 possible, for instance, if Israel says, 17:01 "Attack Iran, attack," right? To the 17:03 point where all, uh, what you call it, 17:05 the American people, Doctor, who are so 17:08 vast, are shaking their heads. 17:11 How can that be? 17:12 Yes. The small country of Israel can 17:15 dictate and spend such a huge budget. 17:19 to America to attack Iran. Well, the 17:22 key is Jared Kushner. Ah, one of his 17:25 traps is for what? To perpetuate Israel 17:29 , the Abraham Accords were created in 17:32 2020. like that. The choice is they are 17:38 protected in an, uh, alliance with 17:40 those Abraham Accords, the condition 17:42 being they must recognize Israel. 17:46 normalize diplomatic relations, 17:48 normalize trade relations, right? So 17:52 it's safe, that's Kushner's trap 17:54 through the Abraham Accords, or if you 17:56 don't want to accept the Abraham 17:57 Accords, you will be threatened. We 18:01 know the first to surrender to this 18:03 Jared Kushner challenge were the United 18:06 Arab Emirates, Morocco, and Bahrain— 18:09 all monarchies. This is, if I look at 18:12 it, maybe they lack the nerve. fear of 18:17 falling. Now, the position of Saudi 18:20 Arabia is very strategic, both 18:23 geographically and, what do you call it 18:26 , its oil economic potential and 18:29 position, right? So Prince MBS has been 18:33 targeted constantly since 2020, yeah. 18:38 uh, this Kushner, Jared Kushner rolled 18:40 out the Abraham Accords. the others 18:42 have already joined. Saudi continues to 18:45 refuse because the conditions were 18:47 heavy, like that. So there is a lot at 18:51 stake if Saudi Arabia joins the Abraham 18:53 Accords, qadarullah. This is what I 18:56 call qadarullah, right. So Saudi is 19:00 like being held hostage. May I spill a 19:03 little bit about them being held 19:04 hostage, perhaps? I'll give you a 19:06 picture. 19:06 Hm. when the Ottoman Empire broke apart 19:09 , right. This relates to how the Saudi 19:14 King is held hostage by America since 19:17 their ancestors. 19:20 When this Saudi kingdom was formed. 19:23 by Albert, uh, what is it called? 19:27 Lawrence, or we know him as Lawrence of 19:29 Arabia, right. He was the one who 19:32 arranged it. So first, Lawrence of 19:35 Arabia was sent by the Jews to Saudi 19:39 Arabia to instigate the governor at 19:42 that time, right. Governor of what? 19:47 Governor. uh, the governor of Mecca. 19:53 from the, from the Ottoman, right, at 19:56 that time, whose name was Sharif 19:59 Hussein, right. Sharif Hussein bin Ali. 20:03 from the Banu Hashim. So this Sharif 20:06 Hussein is. a direct descendant of the 20:11 Banu Hashim. Prophet Muhammad's clan. 20:13 So he had legitimacy, the ruler of the 20:16 Haramain, he had legitimacy. Then he 20:19 became the governor of, uh, what is it 20:22 called? The Ottoman Empire. He was 20:24 instigated by Lawrence to rebel. We 20:27 understand where this is heading, right 20:28 ? so that the Ottoman Empire, which 20:32 refused to give land to the Jews, would 20:34 collapse. Well, Sharif Hussein was 20:39 incited, you see. Of course, the 20:41 promise was sweet. After the Ottoman 20:44 Empire dissolved, the one promised to 20:47 be the King of Saudi Arabia at that 20:49 time was Sharif Hussein. Yes, Sharif 20:53 Hussein is the grandfather of the 20:56 current King of Jordan, King Abdullah. 20:59 So, it was his son, Abdullah I, who 21:02 became king. How did the story go that 21:06 he was shifted to Jordan? Well, it was 21:08 the doing of the Jews who orchestrated 21:10 it. So if Sharif Hussein became the 21:14 King of Arabia, the ruler of Makkah and 21:16 Madinah, it was feared he would end up 21:18 like the Ottoman Empire. So he was 21:22 pushed aside and replaced by Abdullah 21:25 bin Saud, or Ibn Saud, the ancestor of 21:28 Prince MBS. Now, from that point on, he 21:34 actually wasn't of noble descent, you 21:37 see. None at all. But he was given 21:41 power by the Jews to displace Sharif 21:44 Hussein, whose descendants were given 21:48 compensation in Iraq. So one became the 21:53 King of Iraq at the time, and the other 21:55 son became the King of Jordan, that's 21:57 how it was. Now, in such a position, 22:01 with assets held in the West, it is not 22:04 easy to rebel against America and 22:07 Israel. Once America was hit by Iran. 22:11 See? So for us, Mas Angga, say you were 22:15 being held hostage by a thug. Then the 22:18 thug gets beaten up by someone. And 22:20 he's all bloody, right? Oh, turns out 22:23 my thug is weak, right? 22:25 Yes, something like that. And so this 22:28 pact was born. This pact was pioneered 22:31 by Prince MBS, quite brilliantly. 22:34 He was able to seize the moment, able 22:36 to utilize the situation. Since 2025, 22:39 he has been exploring this with 22:42 Pakistan. 22:44 The cooperation exists because Pakistan 22:46 has nuclear weapons, 22:48 h 22:48 and Saudi has the money, right? Then, 22:53 to strengthen his position, Prince MBS 22:56 looked at the Turkish President, whose 22:59 track record we know wants to play a 23:02 bigger role internationally, so he 23:05 reached out. Alhamdulillah, by God's 23:09 decree, they met. So the Makkah Pact 23:13 was signed on August 7th, 2026, 23:18 in Saudi Arabia. So, what are the 23:21 prospects? We will see later, perhaps 23:23 that's the prologue. H. 23:25 So this is God's decree to open our 23:28 eyes and ears. Because who knows, by 23:32 God's decree, the destiny we have been 23:35 waiting for might become a positive or 23:38 optimistic alternative. The pessimistic 23:42 side is mainly the justification I 23:45 mentioned earlier. But we leave it to 23:48 Allah. Let me give you an example. No 23:52 one expected Pharaoh to drown in the 23:54 Red Sea, right? 23:56 Yeah. 23:57 Right? I'm sure even Prophet Musa 24:01 didn't realize that his staff was 24:04 granted by Allah to turn into a snake 24:07 and then part the sea, right? He was 24:11 cornered, you know. Because of 24:14 Pharaoh's cruelty, even when Musa 24:16 wasn't fighting back and just wanted to 24:18 migrate from Egypt to Palestine, he was 24:20 still chased and they wanted to kill 24:22 him; it was truly excessive. So, I see 24:25 a constant law of God, and Allah, the 24:28 God of Moses, is our God, the God of 24:31 Gaza today, you know. That the more 24:34 ruthless the current regime is, the 24:35 more extraordinary Israel is, right. 24:37 Lives are like children's toys, falling 24:39 faster and faster. 24:41 Yes, 24:42 falling faster. I am certain of that, 24:44 Doctor. Well, one of the ways it will 24:47 fall, I hope, is from the strength of 24:50 this Arab pact, this current pact. As 24:53 Prince MBS brilliantly, you know, 24:55 slowly releases himself from the 24:57 hostages of his ancestors, you see. 25:01 like that. I hope we pray and once 25:04 tested in the next few years I am sure 25:07 what the Doctor listed earlier will 25:09 join, Egypt 25:12 especially Yemen, right 25:14 it will get stronger, you know, as long 25:16 as they are confident. Well, let's pray 25:18 for it, let's support it, right. 25:21 Hopefully, one of the opportunities 25:23 that accelerates Israel's collapse is, 25:26 among others, how to make it collapse, 25:29 for example, its diplomacy is boycotted 25:32 , its trade is boycotted, right. I 25:36 think because Israel is very dependent 25:40 on manufacturing and IT, they have no 25:44 resources. So I hope this is a loophole 25:48 and we are optimistic it will head that 25:51 way because we are all Muslims, you 25:53 know. So let's pray for it 25:56 right. That might be the prologue, Pak 25:58 Angga. We will continue the next 26:01 prospect later. Very well, Pak Asep. My 26:04 apologies beforehand, we can hear wind 26:06 noises entering the mic, you know. 26:10 Sorry, maybe the wind noise can be 26:12 stabilized first. However, I will go to 26:15 this, Pak Asep, yes. 26:17 Actually 26:19 earlier Dr. B in the opening hopefully 26:22 this is not just talk. Because there 26:25 are also those who analyze this, it 26:28 seems this Mecca pact shows that major 26:31 Muslim countries are more focused on 26:34 their own national security than 26:36 conflict resolution, especially 26:39 Palestine and Israel, you know. Does it 26:43 really look like this, Sir? 26:46 Correct. The impression is like that 26:48 yes. But no one knows a person's heart, 26:51 right. He 26:53 I described earlier, Pak Angga, about 26:56 the hostages, going back 26:58 I already described the chronology, 27:00 right. 27:00 Yeah. 27:02 Now it is a continuation of Sharif 27:03 Uthman and Ibn Saud back then, right. 27:06 Yeah. 27:08 So at that time, in 1925, Ibn Saud, the 27:11 moment he took power, his oil sources 27:14 were already controlled by Aramco, 27:16 right. Arab what? American Arab Oil 27:21 Company. this, you know. The money was 27:24 already held 27:25 the assets were directed there, you see 27:27 . Go ahead, try to act up or rebel, but 27:30 we will freeze this. Ah, the position 27:33 is 27:34 more or less like that. That is one of 27:36 them. One of many, we also hear there 27:41 are scandals like Clinton, they are 27:44 also held 27:46 like that. That is not nonsense, you 27:49 know. So at any moment if you act up, 27:51 it will be published, that 27:54 is one of the elements. Now, to what 27:57 extent do scandals and economic assets 27:59 hold them hostage? I am sure that the 28:04 desire for independence, when the 28:06 country is gripped, its oil taken, 28:09 annexed, and dictated to, 28:13 well, it's frustrating. Especially for, 28:17 what do you call it, someone who isn't 28:20 a pushover, in my opinion, Prince MBS, 28:23 even if we set aside the rumors and 28:26 everything, he has an extraordinary 28:31 spirit of independence as far as I can 28:33 see. 28:33 H 28:34 yeah. Yes. One thing that I truly 28:38 respect is that, uh, it means there is 28:40 an aspiration to free himself from what 28:43 ? America, Israel. Right? Not wanting 28:49 to just join the Abraham Accords like 28:51 Morocco and the United Arab Emirates. 28:54 That is not easy, Sir. Angga. 28:55 Hm. 28:56 It's not easy. Now creating what? The 28:59 Makkah Pact. 29:00 Hm. 29:01 That is another solution, you know. So 29:04 we can be safe, can find protection 29:06 without the Abraham Accords. Now look 29:09 at the strategy, right? 29:11 Uh what has been annexed by India is 29:16 already fenced off by Pakistan, yes. 29:20 Then the Asia-Europe-Caucasus is fenced 29:23 by Turkey up to the central point. 29:27 That's why in the Quran it is called 29:28 what? Ummul 29:29 Qura. 29:30 If we spread out, uh, what is it called 29:33 ? The world map, the center point is 29:36 truly Saudi Arabia. So it is very 29:39 strategic, 29:41 that's what I mean, from a defense 29:42 perspective, from an economic 29:44 perspective. Now, the combination of 29:47 Turkey, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia is, 29:50 in my opinion, a tremendous foundation. 29:54 H 29:55 Just need to be confident, right, and 29:57 then it moves forward. It could be, wow 30:01 , a promising power in my opinion. Hm. 30:06 That's it. Just stay consistent. 30:08 Yes. Could the Makkah Pact potentially 30:12 be an instrument to pressure Israel? 30:17 Is it, uh, visible if we, for example, 30:21 politically and diplomatically, Turkey 30:24 does often attack Iran in its 30:26 statements, right? Then also Pakistan 30:31 has a very dynamic relationship with 30:34 Iran, right? 30:36 So, how is this? Is there actually an 30:38 instrument of pressure on Iran in this 30:39 Makkah Pact? Uh, I meant on Israel. 30:42 To Israel, not wanting to enter the 30:45 accord already signals a refusal to 30:48 submit. 30:50 Hm. 30:51 It is clear from 2020 to 2026 that 30:54 holding out means being pressured 30:56 constantly every day, every year. What 30:59 is it called? It means almost 6 years 31:01 running, right? 31:02 Yes. 31:02 And surprisingly, it instead resulted 31:04 in the Makkah Pact. That is what I am 31:07 quite stunned by too. 31:09 He. 31:11 So, in other words, in my opinion, it 31:13 is opposing that first. 31:15 Yes. Then being a rival to Israel 31:19 clearly, by not wanting to be annexed 31:22 or dictated to by Jared Kushner via the 31:25 Abraham Accords. Then uniting forces 31:30 with Turkey, which has a track record 31:32 of, uh, modern defense because it's a 31:35 NATO member, right, brought into this 31:37 pact. 31:39 If one country is attacked, then it 31:41 means attacking three countries. 31:44 He. 31:44 And don't forget Pakistan has nuclear 31:47 weapons, right, and Saudi has the 31:49 funding. Pakistan also has a fairly 31:53 large military based on my data. He is 31:56 what? Pakistan is indeed a country with 31:59 what? The military population is 32:02 prominent in the Middle East, plus 32:04 Turkey. Well, 32:06 how could it not compete? Meaning, if 32:09 Israel and America try to look for 32:12 trouble, like attacking Iran, even 32:15 though, well, it hasn't reached the 32:19 point of confrontation yet, 32:23 if they try to dictate or especially 32:26 intimidate with this power, like 32:28 against Iran, just randomly striking— 32:31 attacking peacefully, attacking 32:33 peacefully—I think both America and 32:36 Israel will calculate, "Oh yeah, 32:38 there's Pakistan, oh yeah, there's 32:41 Turkey," like that. 32:45 Yeah. Can this also be read as a model 32:47 of 32:48 security first, then normalization 32:51 later? Is that so? 32:54 Normalization with Israel. 32:55 Yes. 32:57 Oh, if I look at it, that is precisely 33:01 what is most avoided by what? Prince 33:04 Muhammad bin Sultan. with Israel 33:09 by not wanting to join the Abraham 33:11 Accords, you see. If he wanted to, he 33:15 surely would have joined like the 33:16 United Arab Emirates and Bahrain. 33:20 Because one of the objections from most 33:23 Arab countries, besides betraying, 33:26 what's it called, fellow Muslims, when 33:29 Palestine is sacrificed, that is 33:32 something 33:35 that doesn't make sense in the social 33:38 discourse and among the majority of 33:40 Arab scholars. 33:42 Yeah. So I see Arab leaders, however 33:47 pragmatic they are, won't dare to go 33:49 against the majority. So it would 33:54 actually be looking for trouble, Mr. 33:55 Angga. 33:56 Rebellions would emerge. 33:58 Like, domestic life begins. "Oh, our 34:01 government no longer sides with 34:04 Palestine, with the Muslims.""It sides 34:07 more with Israel." That is what I see 34:09 being avoided. 34:10 Yeah. Yeah. 34:11 Like that. Like that, sir. No. 34:13 Regarding the Mecca Pact itself, Mr. 34:16 Asep, do you see its impact on other 34:19 countries, like Egypt, Jordan, Qatar, 34:21 and even the OIC, which until now 34:24 hasn't been seen at all? 34:27 Well, the mapping is like this, sir. 34:31 Yes, before this breakthrough. So, I 34:34 say this is a new breakthrough that is 34:37 truly different. 34:38 Hm. From the past, we know that when 34:42 the Al-Aqsa Mosque was burned, the OIC 34:45 was born. Its initial spirit 34:50 was to defend Palestinian independence, 34:54 but along the way, because its nature 34:57 is what? What is this Organization of 35:01 Islamic Conference? It's ceremonial, 35:03 like our ASEAN, perhaps. 35:06 There is no pact like Mecca. Mecca is 35:09 firm: if one is attacked, then this, 35:12 right? Then, in terms of what? The OIC 35:17 is so fluid, its Jewish traps are very 35:20 easy to, what's it called? For example, 35:26 what's it called, assets or what, the 35:29 trade of this OIC is even more pulled 35:36 after the OIC is formed 35:38 h 35:39 to America, like that. Just, it's held 35:41 hostage. Now, that's the OIC. Then 35:44 don't forget the Gulf countries; there 35:47 is also a union that is similarly 35:50 ceremonial in my opinion. Different 35:53 from a pact, 35:54 namely the GCC. 35:56 Gcc 35:57 it exists, which is? A group of 36:00 countries 36:02 in the Gulf with a membership of six 36:04 countries, 36:06 as far as I know. Yes, the countries 36:09 around the Gulf that were in turmoil 36:11 yesterday are mostly GCC members, 36:13 because they are without that defense 36:16 pact. So, when held hostage, for 36:20 example, imagine if you, Doctor, had 36:22 your funds held hostage, or whose 36:24 household, me held hostage, or Pak 36:26 Angga held hostage. Then we could only 36:29 whisper to each other, "come on, come 36:31 on, what should we do?" If we did it 36:34 openly, we'd be dead. Well, that's more 36:37 or less the position of the GCC and the 36:40 OIC all this time. Once the Mecca Pact 36:45 was declared, I actually saw that 36:48 America and Israel should have been 36:52 reactive. 36:54 They should have been. But they are 36:57 probably reconsidering, especially 37:00 since America is collapsing, and Israel 37:04 is also, well, in trouble. Perhaps 37:08 after things normalize, this will be 37:11 tested later, 37:13 between the commitment to realize the 37:16 three-country Mecca Pact clashing with 37:24 what you call the American-Israeli 37:26 conspiracy. 37:27 Hmm. 37:27 That is where we will see if it 37:30 succeeds, Bang Angga. If it succeeds, 37:33 many countries will think, "Oh, with 37:35 the Mecca Pact, it turns out to be safe 37:37 ." Without having to bow to Israel, and 37:41 many will follow suit. 37:43 Yeah. Yeah. 37:44 Even countries that have joined the 37:47 Abraham Accords might think, "Oh, it's 37:49 safer in the Mecca Pact." They are 37:52 pragmatic, aren't they? 37:54 Now, 37:56 so this is the testing period that 37:59 requires our support, our, what is it, 38:02 our topic is opening eyes and ears, 38:05 right? 38:05 Opening ears. Yes. Ah, so that we pray 38:09 together that they truly become 38:12 independent, stand tall, and are able 38:15 to say no. First of all, just saying no 38:19 to America and Israel is already good 38:21 in my opinion. 38:24 Alright, one more thing before I go to 38:26 Dr. Band, then the response from Iran 38:28 and also Yemen here, both of them 38:30 actually responded positively, right? 38:34 But looking at the relationship between 38:36 Saudi and Yemen which currently still 38:39 has frictions and intrigues. And with 38:41 Iran as well, they aren't exactly on 38:43 great terms. How do you see this, Pak 38:45 Asep? 38:46 Well, Mbak Angga, in detail, I 38:49 found a lot of documents. Intrigues 38:54 like that were created by Israel and 38:57 the Kushner network, exactly like how 39:01 Kushner planned to push America to 39:06 attack Iran. 39:07 Hmm. Yes. Yes, 39:09 that's it. So Israel has an 39:12 extraordinary squad of trolls. Very 39:15 powerful trolls that can bother Spain, 39:19 right, when they attack what? Attacking 39:22 , attacking Israel, right. So Spain 39:25 speaks out loudly, 39:27 trolls are deployed in Morocco. 39:30 Then 39:31 6,600 Muslims cross over 39:34 there. 39:37 That's it. That is the cheapest 39:38 operation, isn't it? H 39:41 Yeah, no need for missiles, no need for 39:44 anything, but Spain is troubled. 39:48 Now, those kinds of tricks are used to 39:50 pit Yemen and Saudi Arabia against each 39:53 other. 39:54 Hmm. 39:55 Like that. To pit one Middle Eastern 39:57 country against another. Basically, 39:59 exactly as described in the Quran 40:02 and the hadith. I found facts that a 40:07 lot of the troublemakers in the Middle 40:10 East are truly people like Netanyahu 40:13 and Kushner and others. 40:16 Yes. Yes. 40:17 So, once Israel is subdued, there will 40:19 be peace in the Middle East, and the 40:20 world will be at peace. 40:22 Hmm. 40:23 Correct. That is not just an empty 40:26 slogan. 40:26 Yes. 40:27 That's how it is, Sir. There are so 40:28 many facts. Yes. Yes. 40:30 First, for me, it started with Clinton; 40:32 when the Clinton case was investigated, 40:34 it turned out she was a Polish Jew. 40:37 Uh-huh. 40:38 She had been placed there a long time 40:39 ago to trap Clinton, you see. 40:40 Yes. 40:41 Even once, when Clinton tried to resist 40:44 ... 40:44 he fell. 40:46 He fell and was scrambling, like that. 40:48 Now, that is one example, yes. There 40:52 are many others if we detail their 40:54 operations. And the most blatant one 40:58 was when they trapped Trump—whether 41:01 emotionally or otherwise—to suddenly 41:03 make him willing to be ordered by 41:05 Israel to attack Iran at a very high 41:07 cost and with extraordinary casualties. 41:11 Hm. 41:12 That’s how I see it. 41:13 And it is not impossible that those 41:15 traps could enter this country too, 41:16 right, Mr. Asep? 41:17 Correct. Oh, it is very possible. 41:20 Especially since our boss, the 41:22 president, Mr. Angga, is open. 41:28 Right? Very open. 41:30 Yes, yes, yes. 41:31 Even when they aren't open, they try to 41:33 get in. 41:33 Yes, especially like this. 41:35 Yes. 41:36 So, wow, we really have to be vigilant. 41:38 So we really must be what? Solid, right 41:40 ? 41:41 This Muslim community. 41:42 Yes. Yes. Alright. Next, I will go to 41:44 Dr. Band. Interesting, Dr. Band, yes. 41:47 However, what does Dr. Band think? The 41:49 Mecca Pact doesn't directly discuss 41:52 Palestine, does it? But we also see how 41:56 Saudi Arabia's stance, by officially 41:58 maintaining its refusal to normalize 42:01 relations with Israel, is actually one 42:04 of the real steps of progress toward 42:06 recognizing Palestine. How do you see 42:09 this, Doc? Yes, there are indeed 42:14 several sides we can try to discuss. If 42:19 we look at the, what? The positive side 42:21 , yes. The positive side is that, in a 42:25 strategy, not everything has to be 42:28 revealed or stated, so that this 42:30 long-term strategy can disrupt the 42:33 approaches they are about to take. As 42:37 stated by the gentleman, it is indeed 42:38 ... 42:39 this is a form of unity for the Muslim 42:42 community, yes. Meaning Saudi Arabia 42:45 does not want, does not want to be 42:47 intervened by America to join as a 42:50 member of what, the Abraham Accords? 42:53 Now, that is the, what side? Positive 42:57 side. We see that... 42:58 the positive... 42:59 the positive like that really has, what 43:03 , a more Islamic brotherhood-based 43:06 approach. These three countries, this 43:11 trilateral, helping each other as 43:12 expressed by the verse mentioned 43:14 earlier, that indeed that is what 43:16 Muslims are like. Supporting each other 43:19 , talking to each other, you know. with 43:22 the potential of each country or their 43:24 respective capabilities. And indeed, 43:28 some of us are very, what I mean is 43:31 perhaps, it means, more, what, more 43:33 looking at a reality, the reality we 43:36 want to convey, that why, why not 43:39 define who exactly must be faced, like 43:42 that. It is a discussion about the fact 43:47 that, actually, the facts...Yes, there 43:55 is protocol five which states that if 43:57 one NATO country is attacked, then it 44:00 will be the same as attacking all NATO 44:02 members, and that is written in article 44:04 number five, uh. 44:06 Article five in a NATO document. But we 44:10 have never actually seen this original 44:13 document. Well, that's why 44:15 what we are discussing is that they 44:18 will [act] if one country attacks 44:21 another. For instance, this is a 44:25 conclusion drawn by perhaps 44:27 geopolitical experts, but the document 44:30 itself has not been shown to the global 44:33 public to this day to confirm if it is 44:36 indeed like that. Now, then we also see 44:40 , Mas Angga, as you said earlier, let's 44:43 give these three countries the benefit 44:45 of the doubt. Just like when we look at 44:49 , for example, Syria. Well, Syria, for 44:54 instance, today we might all be blaming 44:57 Assad, meaning 45:00 why when attacked by Israel they stay 45:02 silent, then why when humiliated by 45:04 Trump in public they stay silent, then 45:06 when invited by Trump they join in, 45:08 okay, everything is okay, so people 45:10 will compare that if it were Assad's 45:12 era, Assad wouldn't be like this. I'm 45:15 afraid. Especially with the statement 45:17 from Joe. That Joe, what's his name, 45:19 the counter-intelligence commander who 45:21 left, John, what was it, Joe what's his 45:23 name. 45:24 And he said that 45:27 Assad's fall was part of the efforts 45:30 made by Israel and America and various 45:34 other theories. But, Mas Angga, I see 45:37 things from a more positive angle, 45:39 meaning there are many dimensions we 45:41 can look at. I am of the view that the 45:45 Syria case might have secrets that 45:47 cannot be revealed, and some strategies 45:50 indeed cannot be disclosed. So, the 45:53 public becomes increasingly confused 45:55 And it leads to many individual 45:57 interpretations. And that could also 46:00 corner, for example, the facts that 46:02 corner Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, or 46:04 Turkey, this indicates that their 46:06 strategy is on point. They are just 46:10 guessing, because I am not sure that 46:12 explicitly, for example, Saudi Arabia, 46:14 would say that our enemy is Israel. But 46:18 like Pak Asapi said, we cannot think 46:20 that it's impossible for Saudi to be 46:22 part of the Abraham Accords. But on the 46:25 other hand, like you said, they are 46:27 held hostage, many things are held 46:29 hostage. So how they navigate those two 46:32 coral reefs, Mas Angga. So, uh 46:35 if they said our enemy is Israel, and [ 46:38 they] mobilized to face Israel, I think 46:41 it would be over because their system 46:43 is not like Iran, which has the Imamate 46:46 , but they are a kingdom, so it would 46:49 be over tomorrow. 46:52 What, IK would be finished, MS would be 46:54 finished. So 46:56 I still view it positively that 46:59 they do not explicitly state that they 47:02 are enemies of Israel. So that is part 47:05 of the strategy. 47:06 But after that, does their enemy emerge 47:09 ? For instance, Iran; Pakistan and 47:12 Turkey have explicitly stated that Iran 47:14 is not our enemy, right? 47:17 So, I still maintain that this fact 47:21 implicitly states that our enemy is 47:24 Israel. But why do they let Palestine 47:30 become a victim, with no help until 47:32 today, even though they have been 47:34 screaming for aid until now? So, what 47:38 is the function of the OIC? We must 47:41 realize that Saudi Arabia is not a very 47:44 strong country when facing Israel in 47:46 this condition. 47:50 If they were to state openly and 47:52 transparently that we will prepare 47:55 steps to secure or save the citizens of 47:57 Gaza. I think, in today's context, that 48:01 is very dangerous. So, I remain very 48:06 positive that implicitly, in their 48:09 hearts and minds, Israel is their enemy 48:13 , and this fact is directly pointed at 48:16 them. 48:19 Now, why is there no reaction or action 48:21 ? Indeed, the conditions do not allow 48:25 them to do so. But as Mr. Asep said 48:28 earlier, that a thug being beaten up by 48:30 a crowd means the thug thought they 48:31 could protect, but they got beaten up. 48:34 Oh, the thug is being beaten up? There 48:36 is an awareness, a realization. 48:38 Therefore, 48:40 I think what Iran is doing today is 48:42 opening the world's eyes that this thug 48:45 is actually nothing. 48:47 So, if the thug is nothing, maybe 48:49 they can be eliminated, right? Is that 48:56 right, Sir? Because that is my view, 48:58 that 49:00 actually, this is politics and strategy 49:02 , and not everything needs to be 49:05 conveyed to the public in detail. If 49:09 their position is not a position of 49:10 power. Now, why dare to say that in the 49:13 Makkah pact, if one of their countries 49:15 is attacked, they are strong. H 49:18 I think there is also an analysis 49:19 suggesting that they are all symbiotic 49:21 with each other. Meaning Saudi has 49:24 money, Iran has what, Pakistan has 49:26 nuclear weapons, 49:28 then Turkey has independent military 49:30 industrial capabilities. So it means 49:33 these three help each other. Okay. Okay 49:35 . I think that analysis also has some 49:37 truth to it. So I think all sides can 49:41 fit in if we truly look at it from 49:45 various kinds of perspectives. So I 49:48 always say that the fact regarding the 49:51 Abraham Accords and what I am most 49:54 worried about, Mr. Asep, is if 49:56 Indonesia is forced, that is my biggest 50:00 concern, and as you said, the President 50:03 , Mr. Angga, has opened a gap. 50:07 It has opened a gap, and I also say 50:10 that Saudi dares to say no; I still 50:12 believe that if Indonesia today can't 50:15 even face its tourism levels, how could 50:18 we handle such a stance? 50:20 Yes, yes, yes. How did Mr. Asep respond 50:23 to that earlier? 50:25 Yeah. 50:27 So, how the Jared Kushner trap through 50:30 the Abraham Accords was parried by 50:33 Saudi Arabia 50:36 with the Makkah pact. That is what I 50:39 see, Tril. Which is very different, 50:43 right? One invites an alliance, 50:46 entering America and Israel, so 50:49 whatever Israel says, yes, like the BOP 50:53 , that Mecca fact, at least there's no 50:56 Israel and America there, so they try 51:00 to be independent. Well, like a baby 51:04 learning to stand, it doesn't just 51:07 suddenly run, right? So it's gradual, 51:11 from what I see. Perhaps so, Doctor. 51:15 People who have been held hostage since 51:17 their ancestors for decades, right? We 51:20 already know since 2025 that means 51:23 Prince MBS and Salman are at this stage 51:27 , right, that the hostage-taking is 51:31 tightened or loosened depending on 51:34 whether the king is dangerous or not, 51:37 right? And the way they grip, Doctor, 51:42 what I see in the documents is, well, 51:45 like this: if a journalist wants to get 51:49 information, the doctrine is first to 51:52 lobby. 51:55 I see this from the CIA's methods. 51:59 If they can't be lobbied, right, Mr. 52:00 Angga, we look for documents, first we 52:02 lobby, if they can't be lobbied. 52:06 They get approached, taken, if they 52:08 can't be lobbied, they get approached, 52:10 stolen. 52:11 Stolen. 52:12 Yes. 52:13 Yes. I see those are Israel's methods. 52:16 Meaning this king is dangerous. They 52:19 can't be intimidated by their assets. 52:21 Poisoned, right? 52:23 Uh-huh. Poisoned, and that happened in 52:27 Jordan, where, well, further about how 52:31 to isolate Gaza so that the surrounding 52:34 countries don't, uh... 52:38 Help. 52:40 No, they don't help Gaza, Doctor, 52:42 there's another story, the 9/11 design. 52:46 What bomb, sir, back then? 52:48 WTC. 52:50 World Trade Center, yes. 52:52 WTC 2001. 52:54 From there, it was planned, that WTC 52:57 was really made by the Jews. 52:59 Hm. 53:01 To, right, every regime that 53:05 has been fierce or had a loud voice 53:08 defending Gaza. Gaddafi, for example, 53:11 right? 53:11 He he. 53:12 Like that. Saddam Hussein also tried, 53:15 Iran too. Right? They are crippled 53:18 first, then Gaza is annexed, destroyed 53:21 like now. 53:23 Now, then how about... 53:25 The Arab king who is, what we call a 53:28 champion, right, and independent, many 53:31 of his businesses are not economically 53:33 independent. His treasury is controlled 53:37 together, absolutely not. 53:39 Yes. 53:39 Like that. If they say no even slightly 53:42 , let alone fight back, I see there 53:44 will be consequences. Starting from the 53:49 mildest, to the harshest, up to tragic 53:51 incidents, accidents, and so on. That 53:54 is a Jewish tradition. 53:55 Hm. 53:56 Yes. Look at the history of the kings 54:00 of the past who had loud voices, they 54:02 ended up like this, right? 54:04 Yes. Yes. 54:05 Like that. Well, unless MBS has 54:07 prepared. He, I see his intelligence is 54:11 also advanced, for example, chasing 54:13 that Turkish journalist, right? Then he 54:17 learned from the American military 54:19 bases there, maybe. He absorbed the 54:22 knowledge. 54:23 Then he used it to protect himself. So 54:26 he is ready to say no to America. I 54:28 hope it is like that. 54:30 And it will be followed. Then regarding 54:33 Palestine. 54:35 uh of course I said in that position, 54:38 right, Saddam Hussein is gone, Gaddafi 54:40 is gone, by design the WTC incident, we 54:43 inherited this position now 54:46 the position they designed, you know. 54:50 So why is Gaza being treated so cruelly 54:54 , nobody is speaking up, the design 54:57 since 2003 didn't just happen out of 55:01 nowhere. 55:02 Yes. Yes. However, what's interesting 55:05 earlier, it's quite 55:07 quite readable earlier, right, uh by 55:09 Dr. Ben as well, this Syria issue, this 55:11 Syria issue, because in Indonesia the 55:13 analysis on Syria is quite varied. What 55:16 about Mr. Asep? Uh, Mr. who? The 55:20 President of Syria, right? What's his 55:22 name? Mr. Angas, right? 55:23 Jolani. Jolani. 55:25 Yes. Iani. He is a Sunni fighter. 55:29 Hm. 55:30 Yes. A Sunni fighter. And his religion 55:34 is unquestionable, his track record of 55:38 struggle is also well-documented, right 55:41 . uh and he used to be allied with 55:46 Osama bin Laden, right. Uh with the 55:51 hope of having a regional power, not a 55:55 national one, right. Then from war to 56:00 war, once Bashar al-Assad falls, his 56:04 position uh yes, just like the Arab 56:09 leaders Mr. Angga mentioned earlier, 56:11 what matters is that the country is 56:13 safe first. 56:15 Hm. 56:15 Why, Mr. Angga? Imagine if you were in 56:19 his position after years of war, Bashar 56:21 al-Assad has fallen, and Mr. Angga is 56:24 organizing the nation. Which one would 56:27 Mr. Angga prioritize, right? Ensuring 56:30 security first, right. 56:32 So, Mr. Angga, I once saw a 56:34 presentation, if Gaza's refugees are 56:37 2,000, Mr. Angga. Refugees in, where, 56:40 Syria, are 4,000 and above. Hm. 56:44 and currently many are still in tents. 56:48 There are more refugees. If that 56:51 continues, another war, uh 56:54 yes, what I noted from, from Mr., uh, 56:57 the Syrian leader, is that the refugees 57:00 will increase again. 57:03 Hm. 57:03 like that, the refugees increase again 57:05 without a solution. So, the Syrian 57:08 President hopes for, uh, a pause, at 57:11 least a pause first. I will fix the 57:14 refugee situation, fix basic 57:16 infrastructure, right, education and 57:19 health 57:20 for my people, like that. So he gets 57:24 provoked by Israel, provoked, uh, 57:26 mocked by Trump earlier, he tries to 57:28 hold back. 57:31 uh, he must be frustrated, for sure. 57:33 Ready. If a fighter, right, 57:35 holding weapons for years, right. Hm. " 57:37 Watch out," that's in his heart. But 57:40 because he wants to protect that 57:42 thing. Now, this is the other side of 57:46 the Jewish trap called nationalism. 57:50 Now, 57:50 yes. So after Turkey went there, the 57:53 Ottoman Empire was broken, the 57:55 countries were fragmented. 57:57 America, or Indonesia and Malaysia, 57:59 which used to be one kinship, were 58:01 assigned one held by the British, one 58:03 held by the Dutch. so that we consider 58:06 Malaysia as someone else, right. 58:09 The same is felt by the Syrian citizens 58:12 today, right, another effect of 58:15 nationalism. Even though, uh, we have 58:19 the Islamic religion, we have the 58:21 teachings of Prophet Muhammad that 58:22 Muslims must help each other. 58:26 uh, co-opted by the reality that their 58:29 territory is Syria, like that. 58:32 Hm. Yes. Then, yes, that is nationalism 58:36 , we are also shackled there. Now, to 58:40 break it down until later, uh, mutual 58:42 assistance between Saudi, Turkey, what 58:45 is it, Pakistan, Syria, and Indonesia. 58:50 Yes, we need more enlightenment to 58:53 break the shackles of Zionism that have 58:57 long been planted. The countries were 59:00 split, the children, uh, the 59:02 intellectuals were sent to be schooled 59:05 in The Hague, right? 59:07 You can imagine how their nationalism 59:09 is thought of. 59:10 Yes. 59:11 Perhaps the Islamic community can unite 59:13 . 59:14 Uh, that is the direction, in my 59:17 opinion. 59:18 That is fine. 59:20 Brothers and sisters who are blessed by 59:21 Allah Subhanahu wa ta'ala. You are 59:24 currently listening to the live 59:26 broadcast of "Open Your Eyes, Open Your 59:28 Ears" tonight with our resource persons 59:31 , Dr. Sarbini Abdul Murad and also Mr. 59:33 Asep Faturrahman, a senior journalist 59:36 from Antara. And we invite you, 59:38 brothers and sisters. Please send your 59:40 questions or comments to the Rasil 59:42 WhatsApp number at 0811999720. Alright, 59:48 Dr. Ben and also Mr. Asep. I will go to 59:51 some listeners who have sent their 59:54 attention. Here is Eyang Sri, 59:56 asalamualaikum warahmatullahi 59:58 wabarakatuh. Listening to the BMBT 1:00:00 broadcast tonight. Likewise, Ibu Ani 1:00:04 Cani Hudaifah is also not missing out 1:00:06 on listening to the "Open Your Eyes, 1:00:08 Open Your Ears" broadcast tonight. 1:00:11 Thank you, Dr. Ben. Meanwhile, Mr. 1:00:14 Abdullah here in Tapos, Depok. 1:00:17 Asalamualaikum warahmatullahi 1:00:19 wabarakatuh, Doctor and also Mr. Asep. 1:00:23 What is Donald Trump's reaction, uh, 1:00:26 when this Mecca pact seems to be 1:00:29 causing problems for the United States? 1:00:34 Because they have always really wanted 1:00:36 to control the Middle East. Thank you 1:00:40 for the explanation. Okay, I'll go to 1:00:43 Dr. Ben first. How about it, Doc? Uh, 1:00:48 thank you, Mr. Abdullah. Indeed, 1:00:52 certainly, from some news, we can read 1:00:55 that America and Israel are actually 1:00:58 not really, uh, not really pleased with 1:01:00 the existence of this trilateral Mecca 1:01:03 pact. So, 1:01:05 uh, Israel clearly said that this would 1:01:08 threaten them, right? And Trump is the 1:01:10 same. But, uh, what can America say 1:01:13 about the reality? That the existence 1:01:17 of American bases in the Gulf countries 1:01:20 is a disaster for their hosts. 1:01:23 Hm. 1:01:24 So, if they used to assume that with an 1:01:27 American base, the host would be safe, 1:01:29 peaceful, and prosperous, but now it is 1:01:32 the opposite. Yes, so this is actually 1:01:36 an anticipatory effort made by Arab 1:01:38 countries, especially countries, uh, 1:01:41 Saudi Arabia, by bringing in Turkey and 1:01:44 Pakistan. Indeed, they have a strong 1:01:47 ranking in terms of military. But what 1:01:49 is certain is that America and Israel 1:01:52 feel hit, yes, they feel hit too. Uh, 1:01:56 even though explicitly the countries do 1:01:59 not say that Israel is an enemy to them 1:02:01 . But, but it has already been read 1:02:04 because, look, Mas Angga, I see that 1:02:06 Israel is shrewd, right? So their sense 1:02:07 of smell is truly extraordinary. Every 1:02:10 time there is 1:02:10 any movement, they can read it. For 1:02:14 example, this is an example, 1:02:15 in simple terms. If Hamas kills us now, 1:02:19 then Fatah will kill us later. So, so, 1:02:22 uh, after that, then... 1:02:25 uh like Ahmad Jolani or Ahmad Saara. 1:02:29 Yes. that that is very dangerous for us 1:02:32 . Turkey is more dangerous than Iran. 1:02:34 Actually those expressions are not 1:02:36 expressions without data and evidence, 1:02:38 but everything has indeed been signaled 1:02:40 by Israel. Even though those parties 1:02:43 deny it, saying Turkey is not like that 1:02:45 , but Israel is worried because in 1:02:47 their scriptures it is clearly stated 1:02:49 that at the end of time there will be a 1:02:51 battle between Muslims and Israel and 1:02:53 they know exactly who will descend 1:02:57 uh will descend from the white minaret 1:02:59 in Damascus and they know exactly that 1:03:01 it's quite easy, they know that. So 1:03:04 actually the issue is about what, 1:03:06 religious understanding, right, the one 1:03:09 in Islam that talks about them, they 1:03:11 understand that. So sometimes we cannot 1:03:15 hide. For example, like this, for 1:03:17 example. 1:03:18 Uh Hamas, I read this earlier. Hamas 1:03:21 has recognized Israel, uh, like in 1967 1:03:24 . 1:03:26 Israel said, what are you talking about 1:03:28 ? Yes. 1:03:29 Just lip service, I know your heart is 1:03:31 like that, I know. 1:03:33 Just putting on an act. 1:03:34 Yes. Yes. How about from Mr. Asep? 1:03:38 Because I also see that Trump's comment 1:03:40 on the Mecca Pact is different from the 1:03:42 American military Pentagon. It's also 1:03:45 different from the Zionists. 1:03:47 Yes, that's right, Mas Angga. I also 1:03:49 happened to read it. 1:03:51 So at one point, on August 18th, maybe 1:03:54 a Saturday. So, uh, last Tuesday he was 1:03:57 asked by reporters 1:03:59 and I was stunned by his answer 1:04:03 it was diplomatic, Mas Angga, because 1:04:05 maybe 1:04:07 First, it was spontaneous, he didn't 1:04:09 expect to be asked that, it was 1:04:10 unexpected. Second, in that position, 1:04:14 like a thug who isn't able to protect, 1:04:16 right, if he were to condemn it or 1:04:19 something, they would just drift 1:04:21 further away. So, Mr. Trump, in the 1:04:25 reporter's words, "First, what is your 1:04:28 response to...try to...it's possible, 1:04:31 among others TV1, I saw it in Republika 1:04:33 , uh, what is your response, uh, to, uh 1:04:36 , what is the Mecca agreement, the 1:04:38 Mecca Pact." Uh, unexpectedly he 1:04:42 answered oh that's good. 1:04:46 Oh that's good, right, to strengthen, 1:04:48 uh, the region. Uh, it doesn't, it 1:04:52 doesn't make sense, there isn't a 1:04:53 single strategic logic he put forward 1:04:55 other than diplomatic. If it were 1:04:58 strategic, the reasoning would make 1:05:00 sense. 1:05:01 Yes, 1:05:01 right. It relates to, of course, 1:05:04 American interests whose military bases 1:05:07 are spread out there. Right? Now, 1:05:12 strategically and militarily, of course 1:05:14 , uh, this Mecca pact is, uh, 1:05:17 counterproductive. The way I see it, 1:05:20 that's it. Both from the side of, 1:05:24 imagine two competing sides then it 1:05:27 pops up unexpectedly, of course, uh, 1:05:29 the American Security and Defense 1:05:31 Department would respond from the 1:05:34 perspective that was, the first one 1:05:36 that made sense, they wouldn't say "oh 1:05:39 that's good" in my opinion. At the very 1:05:43 least, they would be warned, but this 1:05:45 indicates. 1:05:47 the thug is apparently not as powerful 1:05:49 as the Doctor said, when faced with 1:05:52 reality 1:05:54 Uh, if Saudi is annexed or the partner 1:05:57 countries in the GCC are attacked by 1:05:59 Iran, they will be attacked helplessly. 1:06:04 Then what is the point of Saudi 1:06:06 spending billions of dollars on weapons 1:06:08 ? In that case, it turns out to be 1:06:12 useless, right? So, I see it like this: 1:06:15 if Saudi is blamed, for example, by 1:06:17 Trump, "Hey, why are you like that when 1:06:19 we’ve been friends for years?" The 1:06:22 answer would be just that. We were 1:06:24 attacked, you couldn't do anything, and 1:06:26 Trump wouldn't be able to answer. 1:06:29 That's how I see it. Diplomatic, anyway 1:06:31 . 1:06:32 Diplomatic. 1:06:33 Yes. 1:06:35 Right. Next, we have Mr. Muhammad Rafi 1:06:38 in Bekasi. Peace be upon you, and 1:06:40 Allah's mercy and blessings. Uh, if 1:06:43 Allah commands in the Quran, Surah Ali 1:06:46 Imran verse 103, to hold fast to the 1:06:48 rope of Allah and not be divided. Why 1:06:53 is it so difficult for the Muslim 1:06:55 community today to unite, especially 1:06:57 regarding Palestine? Is there actually 1:07:01 a concept of brotherhood here? Thank 1:07:04 you for the explanation. Okay, may I go 1:07:07 to Mr. Asep first? Please, sir. 1:07:09 Fine. Right. Uh, well, may Allah reward 1:07:14 you for the question. First, Surah Ali 1:07:19 Imran 103 is often echoed and discussed 1:07:23 here. 1:07:25 Wa'tashimu bihablillahi jami'a. Hold 1:07:30 fast, you all, hold fast, Muslims. 1:07:33 Because the subject is "O you who have 1:07:35 believed." Believers, hold fast to the 1:07:39 rope. Of Allah, to the rope of Allah. 1:07:43 After holding fast, there is the term " 1:07:45 jami'a." Together, collectively; it's 1:07:50 not holding fast individually. Then it 1:07:53 is reinforced by "wala tafarraqu." Do 1:07:57 not be divided, okay. So, let's observe 1:08:02 ; there are three items. I am not from 1:08:06 an Islamic boarding school, forgive me. 1:08:09 So I only read Hamka's explanation in 1:08:13 the Al-Azhar commentary, that Allah 1:08:16 commands believers to unite 1:08:19 collectively in the rope of Allah and 1:08:23 forbids them from being divided. So the 1:08:30 condition of Muslims today, or 1:08:32 believers, is that they violate these 1:08:34 two things. Not being together. If 1:08:39 holding onto the Quran, I am sure each 1:08:41 version doesn't mean we are 1:08:42 disbelievers if we don't hold onto the 1:08:44 Quran. 1:08:46 But we are not united. As exemplified 1:08:51 by the Prophet and his companions. 1:08:54 Although the history is long, isn't it? 1:09:00 That history is an undeniable reality, 1:09:03 Mr. Sangka. H 1:09:05 uh, what was it earlier? So, the two 1:09:08 things violated, I want to emphasize 1:09:10 that. Not being together, then dividing 1:09:14 . "Wala tafarraqu," that is what is 1:09:18 forbidden, being divided. The history 1:09:22 is long, but the Surah Ali Imran is 1:09:24 still there, the commentary is still 1:09:26 there, the explanation is still there. 1:09:30 The Quran is still there. different. I 1:09:34 am amazed by Theodor Herzl who sought a 1:09:37 way in the 1800s, right? 1:09:42 Until now, it has been consistently and 1:09:44 consequentially continued by his 1:09:48 generations all the way to Netanyahu. 1:09:51 H 1:09:53 even though that is not the Quran, and 1:09:56 our way is false; we must hold to the 1:09:59 Quran, the truth from Allah. Read 1:10:03 together, it is undeniable that we are 1:10:06 told to unite, yet we do not do it. 1:10:11 Well, in my opinion, it is not as easy 1:10:13 as snapping one's fingers. Just as the 1:10:16 Zionists or Jews and Christians divide 1:10:18 Muslims, it didn't happen overnight. 1:10:22 The governor of Mecca was incited first 1:10:24 so that he would want to rebel. H 1:10:28 If at that time Sharif Uthman had 1:10:29 refused, I think the story would be 1:10:31 different. No. We don't want to rebel 1:10:34 to separate ourselves from the Ottoman 1:10:36 Empire, for example, right. 1:10:38 Of course, this would be whole, you see 1:10:40 . But because of that, well, the story 1:10:43 was divided, wasn't it. Then we were 1:10:45 split by the Zionists, there's 1:10:48 Indonesia, Malaysia, that's the 1:10:50 position, right. So our position right 1:10:53 now is, I am in Banten Province, 1:10:56 Republic of Indonesia, Mr. Angga is in 1:10:58 DKI Jakarta, Republic, let alone our 1:11:01 brothers in Malaysia, oh that’s a 1:11:04 different country, right. 1:11:06 Even though, whose service to Muslims? 1:11:11 The service of colonialism, which was 1:11:12 by design: "You take Indonesia, okay; 1:11:14 you take Malaysia, okay.""These are the 1:11:18 advantages and disadvantages, here is 1:11:19 how to conquer them." After 1:11:22 independence, their intellectuals were 1:11:24 schooled, given scholarships, so 1:11:27 intellectuals were born who, among 1:11:29 other things, did not call for Surah 1:11:32 Ali Imran 103, but instead were content 1:11:34 with nationalism, and so on. So this 1:11:38 requires great patience. 1:11:41 We must continue to voice it. In my 1:11:43 opinion, the results are determined by 1:11:46 Allah. It succeeds. No one expected 1:11:50 that in Europe, Muslims, or European 1:11:53 citizens, would flock to Islam. 1:11:55 Growing rapidly, yes. 1:11:57 Why? 1:11:58 America too, now. 1:11:59 Saudi's awareness of the weakness of 1:12:02 the American thug. I am sure that with 1:12:06 things escalating and Gaza being 1:12:09 annexed, besides Israel getting weaker, 1:12:11 the Muslims 'awareness is emerging. 1:12:14 Hopefully. 1:12:15 So we call for "wa'tasimu jamia". Then 1:12:19 how do we do it? Yes, we unite in one 1:12:22 bond of the jama'ah. 1:12:25 Yes, like that. We cannot be pitted 1:12:28 against each other by these 1:12:29 Zionist-made countries. We cannot. I 1:12:31 refuse. Oh, so that jama'ah is what you 1:12:34 call it? It’s not, what do you call 1:12:39 it, rebelling, right. It's not illegal, 1:12:43 like that. On one side is the Quran, on 1:12:46 the other side we cannot say it's 1:12:48 disbelief or that the NKRI is wrong, we 1:12:51 cannot. That is also a product of 1:12:53 colonialism. 1:12:54 The history is clear, right. Isn't it? 1:12:58 That is the historical reality. We are 1:13:00 now inheriting this, so let us realize 1:13:03 together not to be pitted against each 1:13:06 other, the 1945 Constitution and 1:13:08 Pancasila. While we want to hold firmly 1:13:11 to the Quran. The Quran and the 1945 1:13:14 Constitution or Pancasila are being 1:13:16 pitted against each other. Where is the 1:13:19 logic in that? In my opinion. 1:13:22 That the 1945 Constitution Article 29 1:13:26 gives us the freedom to implement what, 1:13:29 uh. Surah Ali Imran verse 103 without 1:13:34 having to be pitted against it, without 1:13:36 having to be clashed. 1:13:38 Yes. One has the spirit of Islamic 1:13:40 brotherhood and unity. The other is the 1:13:43 historical reality that we are indeed 1:13:46 in the NKRI. We cannot just say oh, 1:13:48 that's unjust and disbelief. How so? 1:13:50 How can it be unjust or disbelief when 1:13:52 our ancestors fought the Dutch to 1:13:54 defend the NKRI? That's right, isn't it 1:13:56 . Because we were trapped for years in 1:13:59 this reality. Let us preach to the 1:14:03 Muslims in Malaysia without having to 1:14:06 easily accuse them of disbelief. 1:14:10 NKRI means [end]. Well, in my opinion, 1:14:13 that starts to be a Jewish trap as well 1:14:15 . Eventually, one thing leads to 1:14:18 another, like being labeled "radical" 1:14:20 whenever we talk about Muslim unity, 1:14:22 accused of being against the nation. 1:14:26 Even though it has absolutely nothing 1:14:28 to do with the country's integrity. 1:14:32 Right, Mr. Angga? Then the next 1:14:34 question after what was mentioned 1:14:36 earlier, what... 1:14:37 Yes. Does the Makkah Charter have an 1:14:39 element of brotherhood for Palestine? 1:14:42 Clearly, at the very least...Wanting to 1:14:47 join the Abraham Accords requires 1:14:49 recognizing Israel. The Makkah Charter 1:14:54 does not require the normalization of 1:14:56 diplomatic and trade relations with 1:14:58 Israel. And all three are Muslim 1:15:04 countries, right? 1:15:06 Erdogan, whatever his nationalism is 1:15:09 like, he is a Muslim. Turkey. Yes, 1:15:12 Turkey is Muslim, right. Pakistan, 1:15:14 Saudi. They are Muslim, right? 1:15:19 Ah, this is what we need to encourage. 1:15:21 We need to support this, Mas Angga. 1:15:25 That is where the brotherhood lies, in 1:15:27 my opinion. 1:15:28 Yes. 1:15:29 The test will come in the next phase, 1:15:33 the test of what you might call the 1:15:36 aforementioned, in quotes, hostages. 1:15:41 Can they prove it? I think that is the 1:15:45 crucial point for the future. Yes. 1:15:49 We know Turkey is a NATO member, so 1:15:51 there are agreements, right? 1:15:53 Hm. 1:15:54 Yes, it is not that easy, you see. Now, 1:15:58 what will Erdogan do? I mean, will he 1:16:03 be consistent? He signed the Makkah 1:16:05 Charter, will he be consistent? 1:16:07 Right? Likewise, Prince Muhammad bin 1:16:11 Salman has provided military bases all 1:16:13 this time. Imagine how close he is to 1:16:16 America. Yes. 1:16:18 In the end, when he realizes they can't 1:16:20 do anything, they can't protect me. The 1:16:23 Abraham Accords are even worse. I'd 1:16:25 rather choose the Makkah Charter. 1:16:27 Will he be consistent with that choice? 1:16:29 Meaning what? I won't provide military 1:16:33 bases, for example, right? Because it's 1:16:36 useless. I spend a lot of money, my 1:16:39 country gets attacked at will, there's 1:16:41 no point. Especially Pakistan, which 1:16:46 has a force to be reckoned with, in my 1:16:49 opinion; when they launch their nukes 1:16:52 at Israel, it's certainly not an empty 1:16:56 dream. It would be destroyed by that 1:16:59 power, perhaps, Mas Angga. 1:17:00 Yes. 1:17:01 Heh. 1:17:03 Dr. Ben, if we look at it from the side 1:17:06 of tawhid or faith, as a bond, right? 1:17:10 Then, politically or strategically, 1:17:13 does this Makkah Charter really contain 1:17:17 brotherhood for Palestine? 1:17:22 Indeed, directly, maybe not, not 1:17:25 directly. But we see Erdogan's 1:17:29 statement today, it's quite harsh 1:17:32 towards Palestine, I mean towards 1:17:35 Israel. I think that doesn't represent 1:17:40 Saudi Arabia, but that is Erdogan as 1:17:42 the President of Turkey, who has indeed 1:17:45 been very sharp. Even today, the 1:17:48 Turkish embassy is closed in Israel. So 1:17:52 actually, bilaterally, Turkey and 1:17:55 Israel do have a conflict, there is a 1:17:59 problem. But as I said earlier, even 1:18:04 though Pakistan is geographically too 1:18:06 far from Israel, Pakistan's Defense 1:18:09 Minister Khawaja Asif stated that 1:18:11 Israel is a cancer to the world and to 1:18:14 humanity. So, actually, these two 1:18:18 countries that signed the strategic 1:18:20 Mecca pact are saying that Israel is 1:18:22 the problem. However, Saudi Arabia did 1:18:26 not explicitly state that at the 1:18:28 beginning, right? They only 1:18:31 implicitly stated that perhaps it is 1:18:32 Iran and its proxies that are the 1:18:34 problem for Saudi Arabia. For instance, 1:18:37 look at how the Houthis opened a red 1:18:40 line, but if you look at Iran's 1:18:43 permission, the Houthis wouldn't have 1:18:46 dared to carry out a blockade, right? 1:18:49 But actually, 1:18:51 what we hope for today is how we can 1:18:54 learn from the experience or what was 1:18:57 felt during the tensions between 1:19:00 America and Iran. So, it must be 1:19:04 instilled that the world's thug today 1:19:06 is not really a thug anymore. So 1:19:11 that is what must be understood first, 1:19:13 so that countries can develop high 1:19:16 self-confidence in facing Israel. 1:19:20 Because there is a deal with Israel 1:19:24 between America and Israel that 1:19:26 Israel's military capability must be 1:19:28 superior to other Arab countries. So, 1:19:32 every arms purchase by Arab countries 1:19:35 is subject to Israel's approval. That 1:19:39 is how Israel maintains its power or 1:19:42 keeps them technologically below it. 1:19:46 Mr. Hasan, imagine when Egypt bought 1:19:49 Rafale jets made in France. Well, one 1:19:53 of these weapons is 1:19:55 the meteor missile, the meteor missile. 1:20:00 The Rafale cannot use these meteors 1:20:02 because they are not granted the 1:20:04 superior capabilities; so, okay, you 1:20:07 have the Rafale, but the underlying 1:20:09 deal or the grade level cannot be equal 1:20:12 ; it must be below Israel's. 1:20:15 So, as Mr. Muhammad said earlier, 1:20:17 indeed 1:20:19 as explained by Mr. Asep earlier, we 1:20:21 hope for the unity of the Islamic 1:20:24 community. Is 1:20:26 the Mecca pact one of the doors, a 1:20:28 narrow door that 1:20:31 has been opened by these countries, so 1:20:33 that later Egypt or Syria or other Gulf 1:20:37 states can join? 1:20:39 Well, we will see the subsequent 1:20:40 developments. We hope that at the very 1:20:43 least, through that meeting, there will 1:20:46 be a good heart-to-heart approach so 1:20:49 that 1:20:51 perhaps existing issues between these 1:20:54 Arab countries 1:20:55 can be resolved well. 1:20:57 Hmm. That's why Mr. Asep said, let's 1:21:00 just test the Mecca pact to see if it 1:21:02 can be proven or not. 1:21:05 Here is one from a listener, 08513597. 1:21:10 and so on, without mentioning a name. 1:21:12 Peace be upon you, and Allah's mercy 1:21:13 and blessings. 1:21:15 Thank you to the speakers and also the 1:21:18 host. I am frustrated with the behavior 1:21:21 of Trump and also Netanyahu. Here is a 1:21:24 suggestion. It seems the problem would 1:21:27 be solved if these people were just 1:21:30 sent evil spirits or cursed, right? May 1:21:34 Allah bless you all. Alright. As for an 1:21:38 addition from me, is it possible that 1:21:40 Trump and Netanyahu could be attacked 1:21:42 by the current Mecca pact forces? How 1:21:45 about it, Mr. Asep? It's, uh, gradual, 1:21:49 gradual. 1:21:50 The exam first, yes. 1:21:53 The test when confronted later. 1:21:57 There's the Mecca fact interest, 1:21:59 there's the interest of, uh, the 1:22:00 continuation, even though they've been 1:22:03 destroyed, of, what do you call them, 1:22:05 the military bases and how they will be 1:22:07 handled. Of course, Saudi Arabia, in 1:22:12 its current position, in my opinion, is 1:22:15 in a strong position to show proof that 1:22:17 we were attacked, and you can't do 1:22:20 anything about it, right? The military 1:22:24 bases are there, our oil refinery is on 1:22:27 fire, right? Surely that's enough, 1:22:30 right. But as I said, uh, in a position 1:22:35 of "prisoner," in quotes, yes, thugs 1:22:38 for years and for generations, you know 1:22:41 . Not just this regime, right, even 1:22:46 from its ancestors when it was designed 1:22:47 , right. Sharif Hussein was removed to 1:22:51 Jordan and replaced by this Saud. So 1:22:55 this Ibn Saud is actually a nobody, 1:22:57 right? Hm. 1:22:59 Yes. He was just, what, a champion. A 1:23:04 fighter. If you want to put it crudely, 1:23:07 what is it? A desert thug. 1:23:10 A desert thug. 1:23:11 Who was hired by that agent, uh, who 1:23:14 was it? Lawrence, Lawrence of Arabia. 1:23:19 To be placed, by design. Don't forget 1:23:23 that. What is this Lawrence? An 1:23:27 extraordinary hero for the Zionist 1:23:29 movement, yes. For, if we talk about 1:23:34 the design of, what, WTC in 2003, 1:23:37 imagine that Saudi Arabia is strategic. 1:23:41 The Kaaba, the, uh, qibla for all 1:23:44 Muslims in the world, cannot be left 1:23:47 neutral, you know. That's why the 1:23:50 governor was moved. Now, Pak Ibn Saud 1:23:54 was raised to power, what do you think, 1:23:57 Pak Angga? Pak Ibn Saud, here, Pak 1:23:59 Angga, suddenly I have removed Sharif 1:24:00 Hussein to where? To Jordan. 1:24:03 Like that. Now, Pak Angga, yes, 1:24:04 becoming the king of Arabia. As long as 1:24:07 , as long as what, Pak Angga? 1:24:08 There's a condition. 1:24:10 Now, what is the condition, Pak Angga? 1:24:12 Do not, what, fight the Jews. 1:24:14 Yeah. 1:24:15 Let alone become a caliphate. 1:24:17 Yes. 1:24:17 Which unites Muslims worldwide. 1:24:20 Right? That was the, what do you call 1:24:24 it, the first agreement, the success of 1:24:26 Lawrence of Arabia with what, even 1:24:28 though he was a white man wearing a 1:24:30 robe, moving everywhere, entering Islam 1:24:32 , entering mosques freely because 1:24:36 the guarantor was this King of Saudi 1:24:40 who was a nobody. 1:24:42 Hm. 1:24:44 Now, uh, King Hussein, until now we see 1:24:46 , uh, who is it, Abdullah, the son of 1:24:48 King Hussein. 1:24:49 Hm. Can't do anything, really. Meaning, 1:24:53 just being alive is already something 1:24:55 to be grateful for. Just imagine being 1:24:58 moved, yes, from Saudi to Jordan. Then 1:25:02 it's comfortable, lots of facilities, 1:25:04 as long as you don't fight Israel, even 1:25:06 though the border is in Jordan. 1:25:09 Same with Sisi, right, the president of 1:25:11 Egypt. 1:25:12 Yes. Now, who was also placed there, we 1:25:16 know President Sisi was placed by 1:25:18 Zionist Israel so that happened, uh, an 1:25:21 extraordinary tragedy when the Rafah 1:25:24 crossing wanted to enter, some others 1:25:27 went by sea, there were 1:25:31 uh, what do you call them, nuns wanting 1:25:34 to enter Gaza, begging the Muslim 1:25:37 Egyptian soldiers, "Please, let us help 1:25:40 our brothers in Gaza," it was 1:25:42 photographed, tragic. 1:25:45 Yes. Yes. 1:25:46 So, non-Muslims were pleading with the 1:25:49 Muslim Egyptian military to help the 1:25:51 Muslims in Gaza, and it wasn't 1:25:53 permitted. 1:25:54 A tragedy, indeed. 1:25:55 The design is like that, as mentioned. 1:25:57 Egypt. 1:25:58 Yes. 1:25:59 Egypt, Sisi, and the King of Jordan are 1:26:01 positioned in such a way. 1:26:04 So when we send aid, where does it go? 1:26:08 To Gaza through Egypt, or wait, sorry, 1:26:11 Mr. Prabowo’s friend—they grew up 1:26:13 together, went to school in London, the 1:26:16 King—the current King. 1:26:18 They are very close friends. 1:26:20 Very close friends. 1:26:20 That's right. Yes, when Mr. Mitro was, 1:26:24 what, exiled back then. 1:26:26 Yes. 1:26:27 In Mr. Harto's cabinet back then, and 1:26:30 then he went to London, right? So King 1:26:33 Hussein’s children and Mr. Mitro’s 1:26:35 children were neighbors. Then they went 1:26:37 to school together. 1:26:39 That’s the story. So when Mr. Prabowo 1:26:41 was dismissed, he went to Jordan to see 1:26:43 his friend. So they are very close. Now 1:26:46 , when distributing aid, King Hussein 1:26:48 —well, he is powerless. Abdullah II, 1:26:51 now. 1:26:51 It can only be done by air. 1:26:54 Imagine how ineffective billions in aid 1:26:56 are when delivered by air. Some hit 1:27:00 tents, some even hurt the residents. Hm 1:27:02 . 1:27:04 In a hostage position. Remember. And 1:27:07 that has been going on for years. Yes. 1:27:08 So if we expect a newborn baby to be 1:27:12 able to run, in my opinion, that's 1:27:15 impossible. 1:27:16 Hm. 1:27:17 It happens gradually, I think. 1:27:19 Yes. Yes. 1:27:20 So first, he was annoyed, at the peak 1:27:23 of his annoyance, MBS—America 1:27:25 couldn't do anything when he was 1:27:28 attacked back then. 1:27:30 Hm. 1:27:30 Like that. 1:27:32 Alright. 1:27:33 From there, he then strengthened the 1:27:35 Mecca Pact. It’s gradual, and of 1:27:38 course, they are united, but don't 1:27:40 think Erdogan isn't held hostage in 1:27:42 another form, right? Except for 1:27:44 Pakistan, which I think has a 1:27:46 relatively neutral relationship, and 1:27:49 they have nuclear weapons, you know. 1:27:51 So they can't be treated lightly, right 1:27:53 ? Having nuclear weapons means having 1:27:56 power. 1:27:57 Meanwhile, the second position is 1:28:00 gradual; it depends again on, well, 1:28:03 perhaps his pragmatism, national 1:28:06 interest, Mr. Angga. Yes. 1:28:09 But don't forget, Saudi hasn't—it 1:28:11 hasn't been proven yet that they 1:28:13 betrayed Palestine by recognizing 1:28:15 Israel. 1:28:16 Hm. 1:28:17 What does that mean? When there is 1:28:19 strength, I am sure they will declare 1:28:22 it as we all want, as the Doctor wants. 1:28:26 Hm. 1:28:27 So we pray that Israel falls, America 1:28:29 falls, and Saudi Arabia dares to say no 1:28:32 and stands against America and the 1:28:35 Zionists together. 1:28:37 Turkey. Of course, other countries, 1:28:39 once it's safe and clear, will 1:28:40 generally follow, right? Yes, they will 1:28:42 join. 1:28:42 Just follow along. 1:28:43 Exactly. 1:28:45 Alright, alright. 1:28:47 Yes. I will go to the last SMS from 1:28:49 Mrs. Mariati in Sukabumi. 1:28:51 Assalamu'alaikum warahmatullahi 1:28:52 wabarakatuh. Always listening to BBM 1:28:55 tonight. In my opinion, Arab countries 1:28:59 seem to want to stop being America’s 1:29:01 cash cow. Okay, Dr. Ben, how do you 1:29:05 respond to this? 1:29:08 Yes, that is the hope, the hope of 1:29:10 everyone, not just hers, but our 1:29:11 collective hope that 1:29:13 Uh, Arab nations are realizing that 1:29:15 they must be self-sufficient in every 1:29:17 way. They have everything. I think this 1:29:22 is an important lesson for Arab 1:29:24 countries to introspect, as 1:29:26 independence in all aspects is vital, 1:29:29 rather than having to depend on other 1:29:31 matters. That is why this is a domestic 1:29:37 lesson, so that in the future, there 1:29:39 will be, what you might call, common 1:29:42 ground that must be emphasized; 1:29:45 naturally, countries will always have 1:29:48 differences. 1:29:50 Saudi and Qatar may be feuding, but 1:29:52 they have to meet, so yeah. 1:29:56 Yes, they must meet eventually; if it 1:29:58 is a lesson, if they are fragmented, it 1:30:00 will be easy for outsiders to pit them 1:30:03 against each other. 1:30:05 All right, good. Uh, there is Mr. 1:30:08 Rasyid and also Mr. Maulana in Bekasi. 1:30:11 Likewise, Mrs. Amanda in Bogor, and 1:30:14 also here we have Mrs. Sunarti and Mrs. 1:30:16 Siti, who are listening to the 1:30:19 broadcast tonight. It is a pity that we 1:30:21 are limited by time for our BMBT 1:30:24 broadcast schedule tonight. Uh, I will 1:30:27 go to Mr. Asep Faturrahman; as a 1:30:30 closing, Mr. Asep, what would you like 1:30:33 to emphasize from our discussion 1:30:36 tonight for the listeners? As a closing 1:30:39 , Mr. Asep. 1:30:41 Well, viewers, may Allah bless you, my 1:30:45 point is for years being dominated by 1:30:52 America and Israel, the Arab world, 1:30:55 spearheaded by Saudi, uh, what is it 1:31:00 called? Pakistan, Turkey have already 1:31:03 chosen what? The right choice, opening 1:31:07 the Mecca pact. This is a step, the 1:31:13 first step, right? An initial step 1:31:19 towards their own defense independence 1:31:22 without the interference of Israel and 1:31:26 America. That is just the initial step. 1:31:29 The next step, we hope that after they 1:31:32 are strong, they can push out America 1:31:34 and Israel and all their lackeys; that 1:31:36 is what we pray for, perhaps that, Mr. 1:31:39 Host. 1:31:40 Hmm. All right, Dr. Ben, as a closing, 1:31:42 Doctor, what would you like to 1:31:44 highlight from our topic? 1:31:46 Yes, to the listeners, that we remain, 1:31:51 uh, optimistic, optimistic about this 1:31:55 Mecca pact. Hopefully, these three 1:32:00 largest countries can have a mutual 1:32:02 agreement so that, in the short term, 1:32:05 they can help our brothers and sisters 1:32:08 in Palestine, especially in Gaza or the 1:32:11 West Bank. Yes, indeed, the current 1:32:15 situation is very, very concerning. I 1:32:18 think with these three, what, these 1:32:21 three countries that have agreed to 1:32:23 what, form a security alliance, 1:32:25 hopefully, this will have an impact on 1:32:27 Palestine. Because our hope is, we look 1:32:31 to Palestine, whatever we want to say, 1:32:34 whatever the name, whatever the name of 1:32:36 the alliance, for us, it is about how 1:32:38 to save Palestine today from that great 1:32:40 oppression, Sir. Well, brothers and 1:32:43 sisters, may we be blessed by Allah 1:32:45 Subhanahu wa ta'ala. That concludes our 1:32:48 program tonight, Open Your Eyes Open 1:32:50 Your Ears, with Dr. Sarbini Abdul Murad 1:32:53 , Director of Indonesia for Peace and 1:32:55 Humanity, and also our special guest 1:32:58 tonight, Mr. Asep Faturrahman, a senior 1:33:00 journalist from Antara News Agency. I 1:33:04 would like to express my sincere 1:33:05 gratitude to the speakers and also to 1:33:07 our brothers and sisters. We also 1:33:09 extend our many thanks for your company 1:33:11 . Hopefully, what we have shared and 1:33:13 discussed this evening will be 1:33:15 beneficial. We apologize for any slips 1:33:18 of the tongue. We are taking our leave. 1:33:21 The crew on duty says goodbye. Billahi 1:33:24 taufik wal hidayah. Subhanakallahumma 1:33:26 wabihamdika ashadu alla ilahailla anta 1:33:28 astagfiruka waubu ilaik. Asalamualaikum 1:33:30 warahmatullahi wabarakatuh. 
