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- Bismillahirrahmanirrahim.
- Alhamdulillahiabbil alamin. Allahumma
- sholli ala sayyidina Muhammad waa ali
- sayyidina Muhammad. Assalamualaikum
- warahmatullahi wabarakatuh. Brothers
- and sisters who can record via Rasil
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- with the keyword Rasil TV.
- Alhamdulillah sahur with figures is
- present in the midst of brothers and
- sisters. This time maybe some of the
- brothers and sisters are busy preparing
- their sahur meals. Hopefully this time
- our program can accompany and provide
- input that God willing will be of great
- benefit to brothers and sisters.
- Special SBT Sahur with figures this
- time, we have the opportunity to
- interview one of the very phenomenal
- figures, we at least and thank God we
- or I have the opportunity to visit him.
- We greet first Mr. Ihsanuddin Nursi.
- Peace be upon you, Sir.
- May Allah bless you. May Allah bless
- you.
- Thank you for your hospitality. We are
- well received here. You are welcome.
- Hopefully, you will be given good
- health during Ramadan.
- Amen. Insyaallah.
- Amen. Insyaallah. And he is one of
- Indonesia's senior economists. And for
- those who want to get to know him
- better, this is the most appropriate
- time for brothers and sisters. Uh, let
- me tell you a little about him. Uh, I
- mentioned earlier that he is one of the
- political economic observers in
- Indonesia. Then ee UPN Textile
- Engineering Academy in 1981. Please
- correct me if I am wrong, Sir. Then, he
- graduated from the Faculty of Law,
- University of Indonesia and also
- graduated from the Faculty of Social
- and Political Sciences, UI, doctorate
- in economics, Erlangga University in
- Surabaya. And may I go straight to the
- question, Sir, to save time. We all
- know that we make a lot of quite
- controversial statements, sometimes
- even considered eccentric by some
- people. Well, did that courage develop
- when you were young, or when you
- entered politics or economics, or what
- in Indonesia recently, Sir? When I was
- little. Bismillahirrahmanirrahim. When
- I was little, my playtime ended at
- school. In the morning I went to
- Jamiyatul Khair Islamic school, in the
- afternoon I went to a regular
- elementary school. Well, in my position
- at the Islamic school and in elementary
- school, I worked to pursue knowledge.
- So, even though it seems like I'm
- someone who only goes to school, when I
- play, I play, but I don't play like
- most people. I even go to the teacher
- if I have an unresolved problem. That's
- the situation, there was an incident
- that I can't forget until now. One time
- during recess. I'm the type of person
- who doesn't want to bring problems or
- homework home. I don't want to.
- What grade are you in, Ma'am?
- It happened to me, uh, back then, if we
- got good grades 3, 4, 5, 6, I uh, got
- prizes, got scholarships. So I remember
- clearly I wanted to survive. I didn't
- want to be confused and I wanted to be
- in that position. So
- I remember clearly it was around 5th
- grade, that's the position. 5th grade
- in elementary school,
- madrasah is also 5th grade because it's
- the same.
- Yes.
- 5th grade position in elementary school
- , Kalsima in madrasah. Well, one time,
- oh I didn't understand a lesson. During
- break I went to the teacher. What
- should I do? Instead of answering the
- teacher, the teacher got angry. You,
- your friends, study, uh, your friends
- play, he said, you study, he said,
- position. Okay, let's do it later in
- class, he said. Uh, instead of being
- discouraged, I actually became braver,
- sir. I want to do it now. Let my
- friends play. I want to study now. Why
- do it later, sir, you're tired? Oh, if
- you're tired, that's fine. Uh, but
- before I go back to class, I want you
- to answer that. Okay, that's it. Well,
- it turns out he didn't answer when he
- entered the class. What was the impact?
- The impact was that as soon as school
- was over, I chased him again.
- I wanted to finish. Well, ee, in short,
- it really impressed me because I was
- surprised that there were teachers who
- didn't give space, or said they didn't
- see playing as learning, learning as
- playing. So, as people know it now,
- playing is learning-learning-playing.
- I've been doing ee since I was little.
- That's why I mentioned earlier that in
- grades 3, 4, 5, 6 I always got
- scholarships, I got the best ranking.
- He.
- But in junior high school I didn't get
- anything. Ee especially in the first
- semester of ee in junior high, I was so
- naughty, from ee 12 to 15, there were
- only three blue subjects. There were
- only three blue ones, the others were
- red. And until graduating from junior
- high, I only got the top five.
- Why is that, Sir? There are
- teenagers. Oh, that's
- teenagers. And even then, I was already
- working against and in junior high, I
- dared to oppose the religion teacher. I
- dared to oppose the teacher back then,
- whose name was Algebra.
- Heeh.
- Ee used to be called geometry. Back
- then, the name for ee was geography,
- earth science, that's the position. I
- had the courage to stand up to the
- teacher and if the teacher was upset, I
- would get scolded. The religious
- teacher once kicked me out of class.
- The religious teacher even used his
- hand and I blocked it. When I was
- blocking, he said, "You're fighting
- back.""I'm not fighting back. I want to
- defend myself.""Get out. I want to join
- the study. My father told me to get out
- . Teacher, no, sir? I want to go with
- you. Okay, because my father left, I
- went out, I didn't. I went to the
- principal. I told the principal," Oh no
- , I was told to get out by the
- religious teacher. "Why did you leave?
- Yes, I ee I told you that you were
- naughty. He said
- to keep quiet there, the principal came
- over. Those are experiences. So if you
- ask me about naughty, naughty in areas
- like that. Even until college I was
- like that.
- There were always lecturers who
- couldn't come to class anymore after
- and that my undergraduate was like that
- , my master's was like that, my
- doctoral was like that. I was once
- scolded by the head of department, who
- is this that made this lecturer no
- longer want to teach in this class?
- Everyone was silent like that. There
- was a friend of the deceased, sir. It
- was Prof. Sandin Nursi, he said. Yes,
- finally I stood up. Yes, Prof. I was
- like that. The
- usual debate, sir.
- Yes. Because ee ee if he requires books
- ee one theme with the title ABC like
- that,
- one theme with the title ABC, I took
- one theme but with the title PQR book
- like that. So various points of view
- were seen by me that position.
- And interestingly when I realized the
- importance of ee An interdisciplinary
- approach or a diverse approach, huh?
- The richness of that approach means I
- don't chase numbers.
- H
- I didn't go to college, I didn't chase
- numbers. So in elementary school I
- chased numbers. In vocational school I
- chased numbers, I didn't pay for school
- for 4 semesters, and my background was
- still naughty. That's the
- concept that's being echoed now. So
- it's not value-minded but more about
- potential. My father already understood
- that.
- Uh uh naturally, uh my position is that
- I think more about content than casing,
- so to speak. I talk more about content
- than packaging.
- Uh, because talking about content is
- quality, while casing is not the real
- quality. It's not really a quality.
- Well, uh I understand the concept of uh
- 5C casing context content, consistent
- and consequent commitment, that's the
- consequence, it turns out that I only
- learned in the early 2000s, 5C is the
- 5C infrastructure, it turns out I've
- been applying it since I was little, I
- didn't realize it. I
- didn't realize it,
- oh, growing up, oh, it turns out I
- thought that way. How the casing must
- meet the context, how the context must
- meet the content, how the content
- appears in the commitment, How the
- comments are executed consistently,
- like that. How consistency describes
- comprehensiveness, depth. I found it
- all. That's from there, ee, like the
- resume you read earlier, my disciplines
- are not in line. Heeh. That's right.
- That's because because of the 5C + C,
- 5C + Chip, because comprehensiveness
- can never be achieved with a simple
- position of depth.
- He.
- E at the same time, I need consistency.
- At the time, I need attachment,
- commitment, and that only appears when
- we understand the content. But to look
- right, you have to know the context so
- you stay in the actual position. But
- next, you also have to know the kising.
- How come in a certain place you're
- wearing a neat hijab, but in another
- place you're wearing a hijab, only the
- head covering is visible, which is
- actually not...Sorry, sir.
- Just showing the head covering, but
- sorry, your body still looks ee looks a
- certain way, that's what I mean. That's
- not you being inconsistent. You're just
- playing with the casing. The casing is
- inconsistent.
- So if it's cosmetics, sir.
- Yes. Yes. The casing is cosmetics. Well
- , that's You can see that many women
- now wear the hijab in that position.
- But it only covers the shoulders. Sorry
- , I repeat. It only covers the
- shoulders, not the shoulders. What is
- meant by wearing a hijab is that you
- eliminate perception. The content of
- the hijab eliminates the perception of
- how women have a certain attractiveness
- . That content,
- if it can be other segments. But no,
- that is one of the manifestations of
- 5CNC, that's not just any. You can see
- women in robes wearing pencil pants.
- Yes, there are many, sir.
- Then they wear shirts. The shirts are
- above their hips.
- That's right. Oh, on top of that, they
- cover their heads down to their
- shoulders. If you go to luxury malls in
- Jakarta, not malls, sorry to say, malls
- , you will see things like that. Women
- who are from the upper class, because
- they want to wear the hijab, they still
- cover their heads. He.
- Now, regarding the piety of thought, uh
- , or religious, uh, what you understand
- is perhaps deeper now. But at that time
- , did you already Are there any
- influences from your parents who more
- intensely instilled in you with
- doctrines or religious teachings, sir?
- I wasn't indoctrinated by my parents
- about religion. But I was taught, ee,
- for example, this is what my parents
- taught me, especially my mother, so yes
- , by me calling her umi by my umi, we
- should respect and honor older people,
- older teachers. But I was forbidden to
- idolize it to such an extent, I was
- strictly forbidden to participate in
- idolizing it. To what extent? The
- limits of cultism, i.e.,
- to the point of seeming to glorify it,
- that's not allowed. H
- to the point of not being able to
- because no matter what she gave
- boundaries. Uh ee the most interesting
- thing about that learning was ee me
- specifically ee ee because it was
- Ramadan, after Ramadan, I was invited
- to special groups at the time of
- breaking the fast. I was invited
- specifically by ee my umi to special
- groups during Ramadan lectures, which
- only had dozens of people. We performed
- tarawih prayers together and then did
- religious studies together, but in
- small groups, so it felt more effective
- there. And I can't forget that.
- Umi introduced me. So I remember very
- clearly how my sister invited me to
- join limited groups. She
- didn't pray tarawih at the mosque
- but at home. Only 20-30 people attended
- .
- Then after tarawih, we studied until
- 10:00. At 11:00, we dispersed. Well,
- the second thing that was interesting
- when I was a teenager was precisely
- because I was typical in the ee in the
- damaged test. You know the damaged test
- ? Yes, the damaged psychology test. The
- damaged psychology test is a test that
- describes a person's configuration
- regarding conflict, about their
- leadership, about their level of
- curiosity, and the position,
- and the test can last a whole day. I
- was described as a person who is always
- curious, always curious. Well, my
- character, the story of curiosity when
- I was in high school, led me to like
- experimenting, I like electronics.
- Coincidentally, I experimented with
- making amplifiers, I experimented with
- making to. That's where I entered the
- world of transmitters. That's where I
- met Krishna. That's where I met my
- friends in
- radio.
- Heeh. Friends in radio. I Even the
- two-letter orari child. So, at that
- time, I received the delta zero house,
- WA, the position, the position, the
- position, the position, I helped my
- mother with sahur. That's the religious
- approach. So what I want to tell you is
- not about that, but it led me. I helped
- my parents prepare sahur. It was
- extraordinary,
- right? Really. I went to the kitchen to
- prepare sahur.
- Yes. I prepared everything. Boiled
- water, cooked rice, warmed up the food.
- I had done everything. Then I woke up
- my mother.
- Hm. Oh. So it wasn't together with my
- mother. But before my mother woke up,
- I had already done it. Oh.
- Oh. That's it. It's done. Then I went
- back into the room while waiting for it
- all to continue. Only after it was
- finished did I go downstairs to eat
- together. Well, that's not it, I didn't
- sleep straight away, waiting for dawn.
- After dawn moved for a while, then I
- went to sleep. Because from that night
- period, his curious behavior was
- constantly being worked on like that
- position.
- Masyaallah. Well, hopefully ee is one
- of the sons and daughters of the ikhwan
- and The sisters who are listening are
- also doing what Mr. Ihsan Nusi did when
- he was a teenager, yes. Hopefully. Well
- , we will come back after the nasyid
- break to learn more about him. Not
- Ihsanuddin Nursi, an Indonesian
- political and economic observer. God
- willing, both brothers and sisters are
- familiar with his name. And earlier we
- had a great time talking about Mr.
- Ihsan's past, which turned out to be
- very interesting. I didn't expect it to
- be so simple, sir. It turns out there
- were a lot of naughty things that
- became memories and built your
- character like this. So, to what extent
- was
- Mr. Ihsan's naughtiness?
- Even as a teenager, I participated in
- speeding.
- Hm. Wasn't that the term for trekking
- back then, sir?
- Ee, in the past, trekking was done in
- groups.
- Heeh. Even in 705, I went trekking
- until I was hospitalized because I was
- beaten up by a group. That was in 1955,
- I remember very clearly, he was naughty
- . H
- ee 7980 I've toured Jakarta and Pasar.
- Oh, that's a
- car. Cars, that's
- Oh, cars. If the ones that go in and go
- to the hospital are motorbikes. Heeh.
- 7980 is that car touring. So at that
- time, when we were in groups, we looked
- like the Kebayoran group, the Menteng
- group, whatever group. Oh, not the car
- brand. E no, it looked like friends, no
- ...
- There was already a Jakarta Theater in
- Jakarta. So there were three places,
- President Theater, New Garden Hall, and
- Jakarta The Theater. If we wanted to
- watch, we could watch Midnight there,
- specifically to show the group's
- existence. Just following along. And uh
- , there was a hint during the broadcast
- that
- there was an incident where we had had
- trouble with the law.
- Actually, it wasn't because
- it was about motorbikes, because
- some of my friends were already
- familiar with drugs. Some of my friends
- were also known to be involved in drugs
- . So in my social circle, uh, I knew
- the world of delinquency was
- extraordinary. Well, there, my friends
- who used to be involved in drugs didn't
- then show strange courage. Oh, maybe
- they were speeding like crazy. Maybe
- they were pulling their motorbikes like
- crazy. Was was maybe they were crazy.
- Their position. Well, once we were
- pulling someone else, and he was losing
- . That person was losing, we pushed him
- off his motorbike and beat him up.
- That's a
- note, not to be imitated.
- Yes. Because he happened to be in the
- opposite position when they were
- pulling each other. Wow, it was so loud
- . What was that? It's
- still the term loud nowadays.
- Ee, so the area where kids like that
- were identified in Central Jakarta, in
- Kebayoran was also identified, in
- Menteng was also identified. Well, can
- you imagine that in that incident I had
- been playing with groups like that in
- the 0s
- up to the Robi Sugara era, right, sir?
- My group, but I was different from them
- . Okay.
- Ee, so we finished working on my
- friend's kid and then we went out, this
- one friend said," Hey, I forgot my
- sandals. "Like that. Where were they? I
- remembered that place, that's where it
- was. I went back to that place. It
- turned out that there were police there
- .
- The police were caught. Okay. The one
- who was hit said," This is who hit me.
- This is who hit me. "Ah, it's already
- hit me. It's
- extraordinary. And frankly, I see that
- the figure of you that I've seen on
- television is incredibly serious. Iwan
- Danwat also probably experienced the
- same thing. And this time I have the
- opportunity to see another side of you,
- the humanist. It turns out that it's
- the same as our ideals. And thank God,
- ee, hopefully later we will take ee my
- core from ee the lessons of Mr. Ian
- Nursi's life experience and perhaps the
- experiences earlier, which turned out
- that since you were a teenager you have
- had an interest in things that trigger
- adrenaline, yes, Sir, yes. According to
- what was written on ee the
- Repubblica.com page which ee stated
- that you are one of the figures who
- spoke out loudly and dared to oppose
- ee's understandings about liberal
- economics, yes, Sir. Yes, that's right,
- Sir. Ee eh why did you voice that so
- loudly when ee are we really threatened
- by a liberal economic system? Oh, if
- you look at my educational history, it
- seems that my education was worldly and
- uhrawi education. From childhood it was
- obvious. Ee I fast Monday Thursday from
- elementary school
- until now. So I live in two poles, you
- know. I live the ukhrawi pole, the
- worldly pole. I have a religious
- orientation, I have a worldly
- orientation. Hey, when I went to
- college, I studied with a madrasa
- background. I met UI friends and they
- came from various faculties except from
- two faculties, not from FKG, not from
- psychology, but of the seven at that
- time, UI didn't have 10 faculties, only
- nine. All of the other seven faculties
- are there. From MIPA, engineering,
- chemistry, ee FK, ee physics, FH,
- literature, everything is there. We are
- joining as one, there is one more IPB
- child like that. Our work is to carry
- out scientific learning with a
- religious approach. So we test the
- knowledge we have with scholars. So as
- a result I didn't learn from one
- scholar. I repeat, I did not study at
- one. So, from social interactions from
- the time I entered college to my
- position for almost 5 years, yes, we
- learned from one cleric to another.
- Any cleric who fails to answer our
- questions, we will not invite again and
- we will not Come again. It's
- still better to fight, sir. So, in
- lectures, because we come from various
- faculties with an interdisciplinary
- approach, the impact is that a scholar
- must have strong knowledge. If his
- knowledge is only literal dogmatic
- knowledge based on literal
- understanding of teachings, then his
- understanding is only the language, so
- his position is not in the terminology,
- not in the semantic approach.
- Understand what I mean? Not in the
- philosophical, psychological, and
- linguistic approaches. Most scholars
- have more linguistic approaches. He
- can't do it in his psychological
- approach, he can't do it in his
- philosophical approach. Semantics, this
- semantics is threefold: philosophy,
- psychology, and linguistics, that's his
- position. Now, if a scholar only plays
- with linguistics with us, sorry, he
- will be eliminated. He will definitely
- be eliminated. Because every word has
- meaning. When it enters the meaning, it
- has a psychological sense. When we
- examine its meaning, it has value and
- meets philosophy. For example, why do
- people use the phrase" fansurna ala
- kaumil kafirin "in Albaqarah? But
- what's the difference between the
- phrase" aliman wzurna alqil kafirin "
- and" aliman wzurna alqil kafirin "? and
- wa? Interesting. On one hand, he uses
- the term fa, but on the other hand, he
- uses wan. For example, why does this wa
- have such a value? Ah, why is the
- learning given to Adam, for example,
- with bismi rabbik, to Muhammad also the
- same. Iqra bismi rabbik. So the bismi
- there is a name or knowledge. The
- linguistic translation of the name. But
- when we pursue psychology and
- philosophy, philosophy, he is not he is
- not a name, he is knowledge. That's why
- the angel immediately said when it was
- mentioned, nah subhanaka la ilmaana
- illa ma alamtana innaka anta alimul
- hakim. This means that the izm taught
- to Adam is knowledge. The translation
- is logical. Oh yeah, he wasn't taught
- the name, Adam. He was taught knowledge
- . Because the angel then declared to
- Allah, he is great, right? Then the
- angel said," Subhanaka la imana
- maamtana innaka antal hakim. "" This
- means that what was taught to Adam was
- knowledge. So Adam became asani takwim,
- seeing it. His logic was like that,
- taking it. Well, that's the learning,
- the learning, the long-range approach,
- that's it. Ee until finally we
- ourselves understand, for example, why
- is zakat included in the Islamic umni
- al khamsin? For example, zakat is
- giving, but where is the position of
- the development system in Islam? Giving
- , why is giving zakat giving.
- Giving and giving. Why is it included
- in the development system model in
- Islam. Ee, in the position of being
- taught those names, there is actually
- only one consistency. Humans are asked
- to submit to their teachings. In other
- words, humans are not liberal. If
- humans are liberal, humans are actually
- violating their natural nature. Well,
- if that arises, what about the thinking
- in which areas are we liberal, in which
- areas are we not liberal? We can see
- that in the structure, values,
- principles, rules, strategies,
- functions, and instrumentation. In
- terms of values, you only have two
- choices. Ihdin siratal mustaqim makdub
- and doim. Complete, there is no other.
- In Ihatal mustaqim you are asked to
- submit and obey his teachings. Ya
- ayyuhalladzina amanu itquqati w
- tamutuna illa antum muslimun. There is
- no other. We see the same kuntah.
- Takkah you wherever you are. No, not in
- That's why the meaning of piety is
- clear. Obey unconditionally, obey
- without but obey unconditionally, obey
- without but that means you are asked to
- truly carry out your position. But when
- you enter into the realm of worldly
- life, you enter the realm of strategy,
- function, and instrumentation. Why?
- Because every human being has a
- different role. There are farmers,
- there are drivers, there are creators,
- there are writers. Various. Humans have
- various roles. And when humans carry
- out their roles, humans are given
- freedom to carry out those roles. Well,
- the roles of exercising freedom in
- their roles are still locked that you
- are actually in the context of applying
- the teachings. So it cannot be
- completely considered freedom. That's
- why when you take a stance of total
- freedom, a study book was published in
- 2005-26, liberalism is Mental disorder.
- That's what the American public is
- accusing their current president of.
- The
- liberalism embraced by Trump
- essentially reflects mental disorder,
- mental illness. That's his position.
- Why? Because of the Sty Daniels case.
- The Sty Daniels case emerged, uh, a
- movie star for adults. But it turns out
- it wasn't just Somi Daniels, there were
- 11 other women. Now, your question is,
- you adhere to liberal principles, but
- then you actually defy the process of
- that liberalism. On the one hand, you
- adhere to liberal principles, freedom
- in everything, but then you question
- that. On the one hand, you say you're
- talking about globalization, but you're
- implementing protectionism. In the
- realm of interpersonal relationships,
- that's it. But on the macro level, you
- talk about globalization worldwide, but
- then you implement protectionism, from
- clothing protection, electronics
- protection, steel protection, aluminum
- protection, washing machines protection
- , solar panels protection.
- Protectionism extends to the border
- between the United States and Mexico,
- that's how you think. What are you
- doing? A Finance Minister named Sri
- Mulyani, for example, in a discussion
- on October 19, 2017, at PTIK, when In a
- seminar where I was a speaker, I said,
- "If Trump is deglobalizing and you are
- embracing globalization, what are your
- thoughts? Why is it that America is now
- embracing deglobalization and you are
- sticking to globalization?""I say
- globalization is liberalism. Another
- term is liberalism. Trump recognizes
- the problem with liberalism, namely the
- sacrifices of American society. That's
- why Trump is considered to protect the
- interests of some Americans. Meanwhile,
- what Hillary Clinton did was liberalism
- through what was called Transpacific
- and what Hillary did in the Atlantic
- region with what was called the trans
- Atlantic Trade and Investment
- Partnership. So, NATO's economic
- position was considered to be
- disruptive to the welfare of American
- citizens. But at the same time, when
- Trump also pursued long-term
- protectionism, Trump was also
- considered to be disruptive to welfare.
- So, their stance cannot actually be a
- guideline. In my scientific history,
- you can see the books I have. In the
- scientific history that we have
- uncovered, their positions have never
- been consistent. They are very
- context-dependent. If life depends on
- circumstances, then the question is
- which is certain? So, from the Soeharto
- era until now, the economy has always
- been hung in a cloud. In today's
- language, uncertainty conditions,
- uncertain conditions. In cool language,
- it is always called stagnation. These
- stagnant eras illustrate that
- liberalism will always encounter
- uncertain hardships. Yet life is
- certain, and death is inevitable. We
- find values, principles, rules,
- strategies, functions, and instruments.
- You may be free to perform your
- function, but you will still reach the
- end of life.
- Death.
- Death, carrying with you the values of
- knowledge and good deeds. That's the
- logic. This means it's difficult for
- you to enter the realm of complete
- freedom. Logical?
- Yes,
- the explanation is logical. The Islam
- explained to Adam and the Islam then
- conveyed to Muhammad, the Messenger of
- Allah, through the Iqra (religious
- teachings) are consistent. Consistent.
- That's right. This consistency is also
- evident in the biological process when
- sperm and danum meet, so they
- acknowledge," Yes, you are my Lord. "
- And then this recognition of you, my
- Lord, is disrupted by the intervention
- of another party in the human position
- already present in the world, and the
- hadith is published. A child is
- essentially born pure. His parents make
- him a mujusi (a Christian or Muslim).
- This means that he remains in a
- position of submission, but he will
- change. But that change will be covered
- by something that consistently dies. Ah
- , now the question is, if the presence
- is the izm of knowledge from Allah and
- then also closed with knowledge from
- Allah, then what determines the process
- ? If the process here is positive, does
- the closing be positive or not? It
- depends on the process. You can die
- with suul khatimah or you can die with
- hus khatimah.
- It depends on the process. It's very
- logical,
- in my opinion. And hopefully, we all
- end with husnul khatimah, God willing.
- And please turn off your stove, take
- your fried food, and don't be long
- because we will return after the next
- nasyid break. And this is what I want
- to ask from the trip to Mr. Isanuddin
- Nursi's residence, namely the name of
- the papers,
- yes, your name appears there. And you
- explained that the presence of your
- name there is for several investigative
- projects and is your explanation.
- Please, sir, your version is
- immediately processed. Before I get to
- where my name is listed, let me first
- explain what the Panama Papers are.
- Okay. The H
- ee pan papers are documents uncovered
- by a name containing information about
- a number of individuals suspected of
- using a Cangrang cell company to
- conduct investment transactions or
- trade. However, at the same time,
- besides being a shell company, this EE
- can also be considered a means to evade
- taxes. Well, the origin is that America
- , with its liberalism, is losing out to
- China.
- Yes,
- in the trade war. So, Trump's current
- trade war with China has actually been
- going on since China entered the
- international economic stage. Then in
- 2004, it was realized that China had
- soared. As a result, the US trade
- deficit, recorded by China, had reached
- around 200 billion US dollars. And in
- 2008, it soared to 323 billion US
- dollars.
- America's defeat against China, a trade
- deficit against China.
- Well, in that position, America's
- financial industry was also affected.
- Why? Because the defeat in the
- manufacturing industry caused
- industrial companies to close their
- factories, and as a result, workers
- could not pay their debts. In fact, in
- 2004, the bus schedule used a low-cost
- housing loan facility. The low-cost
- housing loan was covered by Fanime and
- Fred. The Fanny and Freder Btn here,
- those bonds were held by subprime banks
- . So, as a result of the workers '
- inability to pay, the loans went bad.
- The bad debt meant they couldn't pay
- their debts. Yes, they were impacted.
- That's what emerged in finance, what's
- called the contagion effect. It wasn't
- just America, but well-known American
- companies. The entire world was playing
- around in the American financial
- industry, which was well-known. So,
- America had to make a $ 700 billion
- bailout. $ 350 billion in the jet-bus
- era, $ 350 billion in the Obama era.
- Obama was disappointed. So, Obama
- conducted an investigation through the
- Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission.
- From that financial crisis
- investigation—that's the title of the
- book, the Financial Crisis Inquiry
- Commission—which examined around 700
- people, was established by the Obama
- administration and Congress. One of
- them, yes,
- one of his policies is to hunt down
- American citizens who evade taxes. A
- dialogue ensued between Obama and the
- Swiss Finance Minister. The Swiss
- Finance Minister was angry. He said,"
- You don't need to worry about our banks
- that accept money from your citizens.
- Just worry about your country which is
- in crisis. "The Swiss Finance
- Minister's response to Obama made Obama
- see the agreement between Obama and the
- positions of European countries. Obama
- then used three institutions: the
- Justice Department, the FBI, and
- another IRS, the Internal Revenue
- Services. The Internal Refuge Services
- is a tax agency that has the ability to
- conduct investigations but works in
- collaboration with the API, in
- collaboration with the Justice
- Department. The motive was to hunt down
- American citizens who evade taxes. In
- the hunted position, Obama only found
- around tens of thousands of American
- citizens who evaded taxes to
- Switzerland, the result of which was
- only 5 billion US dollars. Obama was
- disappointed. Obama was disappointed.
- Okay, so now he said let's reveal it to
- the public. Who is really doing the tax
- evasion? Funding comes from Jewish
- groups to make investments like that.
- In simple terms, they said it was a
- leak from a legal consulting firm. But
- it wasn't. It wasn't a leak, it was
- actually investigated. Just like a
- paper, they later say it wasn't a leak.
- It was investigated. The ones who
- funded the investigation were financial
- groups with certain powers, which
- ultimately led to the data leak. That
- leaked data is what's known as the
- Panama Free. Names of people from all
- over the world emerged, including the
- President of Iceland, including my name
- . In Indonesia, there are several names
- , including mine, and to carry out the
- leak. So what exactly is it for
- Indonesians? The goal is to invest in
- developed countries. If they don't use"
- pakama, "developed countries can't
- accept companies from countries like
- Indonesia because they assume you don't
- have the money.
- So, these shell companies emerge, like
- sell companies, like companies like"
- blah blah blah "from Panama. They think
- they're from Panama, but the content is
- actually from Indonesia. Well, there
- are also some that are intended to
- receive investment, because if they
- come directly to Indonesia, it's a bit
- complicated in Indonesia, with various
- positions considered to have a lower
- legal standing. They use Panamanian
- international law. Well, from there,
- there was actually a relationship
- between these wealthy people and
- certain business circles. Well, I
- happened to be involved in two worlds,
- the financial world and the energy
- world. Yes, I know that world, so
- that's how it turned out. Because,
- coincidentally, the energy mafia in
- Indonesia is extraordinary to this day.
- So, if people said yesterday that
- PETRAL was finished and the energy
- mafia, uh, the oil mafia was finished.
- No. I said it wasn't finished, they
- just changed the name to Petral and
- changed it to something else. I
- announced this post to Rasil TV. I'm
- the most famous person, right? Even if
- I'm free, the oil mafia, the oil mafia,
- is no longer in power, the oil mafia is
- still alive. Well, that's actually
- because I've been investigating since I
- was in the House of Representatives
- until my current position. Why? Because
- throughout the history of Jewish growth
- and development in the world, they used
- oil as a weapon of war. To this day,
- energy is always used to overturn the
- economy. That's what's called an energy
- price war. There are many books about
- how energy is connected to war and
- ultimately blood ties. The case of the
- American invasion of Iraq. So, for
- example, the 15th anniversary of
- America's invasion of Iraq was actually
- related to oil resources.
- How Dik Cinei took over, how jet buses
- took over. That was related to oil. The
- Gulf War, for example, was related to
- oil. In the Afghanistan issue, for
- example, the Caspian Sea is oil.
- Nothing is unrelated to oil. America's
- current dispute with China is also
- about energy. I can see the story.
- Since the Industrial Revolution was
- discovered and the industrial world
- developed, energy has become a weapon
- but also something that is very
- necessary in order to dominate a
- country. Well, that's where I come in.
- But to do that, it's attached to the
- financial world. The financial world
- and the energy world are worlds of one
- currency. One currency, one side, this
- side, this side, this side, that's the
- same, one currency, the position there,
- I come in. Well, it turns out Obama's
- findings through the Panorama Papers
- and their subsequent dissemination
- didn't have much impact. So the
- automatic exchange of financial
- advantages policy was issued, which was
- accepted by the G20, again with the
- Jews behind it. What's the goal? The
- goal is to force those who don't, so
- that those with money, into the global
- financial system controlled by the Jews
- . They're not allowed to leave the
- Jewish system. So Bitcoin emerged, and
- its current run is due to a number of
- wealthy individuals who refuse to be
- regulated. If we use the current thesis
- , it shows a patron-client relationship
- . Understand, patron-client
- relationship? The rich and the poor,
- the powerful and the powerless. Hey,
- master and servant, I'm the employer
- and the worker, their positions remain
- the same. Now, these wealthy
- individuals always want to control the
- nouveau riche or anyone below them so
- they can maintain their positions. Can
- you imagine how long this has been
- going on? Since 635 BC until today. And
- that's what Islam fights against. What
- is its true content? Honesty and
- non-greed. Isn't it powerful? This
- patron talks about greed for ownership,
- for possession. Allah may say in Islam,
- " You may possess, you may possess
- something, but you must have social
- responsibility. The source of the
- misfortune is zakat. "So wealth isn't
- just within your circle. That's the
- logic. The logic is there. Well,
- through the G20, it was agreed to
- implement automatic exchange of
- financial information, which was
- accepted by the World Bank and the MF.
- So yesterday, automatic exchange of
- information in the financial sector was
- implemented. It wasn't satisfied with
- that because they still wanted to
- regulate its contents. Another leak was
- made, the Paradise Papers, which
- included the US Secretary of Commerce,
- Queen Elizabeth, and other Americans in
- positions like that. So then, both the
- Panama Papers and the Paradise Papers
- are meaningless because what you're
- dealing with are people who actually
- have real power beyond political power.
- Paradise, uh, it's also related to
- taxes,
- not just tax escapes, because it was
- used, like, what's the name of the
- papers? Well, before the automatic
- exchange of financial information was
- opened, a number of companies were
- exposed, actually, there was a second
- class, a paradise paper, you know,
- people who were more jet-set, and
- higher in status. That's why I
- mentioned the name Wilson Wilbert, the
- name Queen Elizabeth, and various names
- appeared there. Well, the point is, the
- Jews are still like that. Well, if we
- look at the current situation, it's
- very clear they're worried because it
- turns out the financial industry they
- regulate, the financial industry they
- determine, still doesn't put them in a
- position to dominate the world. Why?
- Because since the 2008 trade war
- between China and America until today,
- China has succeeded in building
- alternatives. For example, China simply
- introduced the use of the dollar in
- trade transactions. Next, China made
- the yuan Renminbi part of the Spal
- Drawing Right. Spal Drawing Spal
- Drawing Right is the IMF currency used
- to facilitate transactions between IMF
- member countries. What is its weight?
- 10.11%. Next, China collaborates with
- Latin American countries to compete
- with America. In Africa, China directly
- builds infrastructure with those
- countries. Although America already
- controls resources and its position in
- Asia, China is competing with the ADB
- and WBank by building the Asian
- Infrastructure Investment Banking. On
- the world stage, China created its Belt
- and Road initiative to compete with the
- World Bank's policies that develop
- trade and investment. China doesn't.
- China is cutting corners by conducting
- trade campaigns with the motive of
- replacing the dollar and facilitating
- attraction and ultimately the use of
- the yuan. In simple terms, an economic
- war is occurring. So this isn't
- happening through Gospit's book. Gospit
- merely states that there is indeed an
- economic war that will continue, that's
- the position. If the economic war
- continues, that means there are five.
- There's a war for resources, there's a
- war for technological and industrial
- superiority. There's a war for
- innovation superiority, how far will it
- go? The third, most important, is the
- war for financial power, and the most
- recent is the war for ICT power. That's
- how you use the most advanced
- information communication and
- technology (ICT) to accumulate this war
- . So this isn't just because of the
- gospel written by Peter Wingers, it's
- not because it's not because of it,
- brother. Now I mention it, if you pay
- close attention, even when Defense
- Minister Purnomo Yusgi Gianturo joined
- in forming a cyber troop. Actually, at
- that time, Indonesia was already aware
- that a war was brewing,
- with Korea's superiority, along with
- China's, in entering. As of
- today, Korea's nuclear weapons have
- reached Alaska and New York, and that's
- frightening. That's why Gospit then
- talked about how Korea's nuclear
- weapons have reached Hawaii. In fact,
- yesterday, Hawaii issued a warning that
- human error had caused global problems
- because Korea and China were indeed
- involved. So, before this meeting
- between Korea and, uh, with the
- position of Peter and Donald Trump,
- Korea, Kim Jong Un met with Darman
- Sejeneng.
- So you can see the battle was
- extraordinary. I'm surprised that just
- because Prabowo Subianto stated last
- year, we started fighting. I've been
- talking about this since 2008. I
- remember, in 2008, I talked about
- economic warfare. You can see that in
- my 2012 book, I talked about that
- position. And you can also see how I
- actually lectured at various
- universities about Indonesia's unclear
- position in that economic warfare. Well
- , if I say unclear, it's because
- Indonesia didn't take a position at the
- same time. I mentioned earlier that
- resource wars, industrial wars,
- technological wars, financial wars, ICT
- wars, all force people to take clear
- positions. Whether you like it or not,
- you're forced into that war. The big
- question is, which direction do you
- lean?
- You have resources, you have position,
- but you can't define yourself. Who's to
- blame? That's right. So, in that way of
- thinking, I see it again: Indonesians
- are only now making a fuss over a power
- struggle, a struggle for position.
- Sorry to say, this is apologizing,
- Subhanallah, Astagfirullah. This
- illustrates how low our mentality is in
- facing the situation. Our intellectual
- quality, our spiritual quality in
- facing the situation, so yeah, it's
- below average. The third time I
- apologize, it shows we're behind the
- times in our thinking. Now, the next
- question is, how can I understand
- immediately? It's very easy. You can
- see my background. You can see how, uh,
- how the data in the world shows that
- economic warfare continues to
- accumulate its position.
- The point is, I want to learn to open
- myself up and then immediately make
- myself comfortable with whatever steps
- must be taken
- without losing my footing. Well, that's
- the key word. Without losing what you
- have, uh, uh, in my language, footing
- and corridor.
- Ihdinasiratal mustaqim describes three.
- You have the strength of a foothold,
- you have the strength of a grip, you
- have the strength of an umbrella. La
- haula wala quwwata illa billah. That's
- ihdiniratal mustaqim. So don't just
- understand it as giving me guidance on
- the straight path. No. Islam provides
- three correct footholds, the correct
- grip, the correct umbrella so that you
- are safe
- in the waves of life that are unclear,
- you see it.
- Okay, Iwan and Awat. We will continue
- to explore the astonishing facts that
- came out of Mr. Ihsanudin Nursi in the
- last segment. But don't go anywhere, we
- will come back next danasid. Well, you
- talked a lot about your views on ee
- attitudes ee and the development of the
- thinking ee of high-ranking officials
- and Indonesian business people. Uh, in
- your opinion, what is the current
- political and economic situation in our
- country, sir? Is it that bad and ee
- hope for ihdinasiratal mustaqim that we
- return to the straight path ee with the
- existing footholds? How many years into
- the future are ee your estimates of
- views?
- First, when you say we are limited by
- time,
- that's proof that you are determined.
- That means you are not within the scope
- of the liberal world. No human can make
- a day longer than 24 hours.
- No human can make a week longer than 7
- days. No human can make a year longer
- than 36 days. That means humans are
- determined, not determining. Ah, if you
- put Stephen Hawking's format here, then
- he gets caught up in the inability to
- answer who gives the power of gravity,
- who gives the energy to black holes,
- for example. Well, these kinds of
- questions bother liberals. Meanwhile,
- Stephen Hawking's questions bother
- religious people, they say.
- I don't feel disturbed. I actually ask
- them back, for example, say,
- uh, like before, if Stephen Hawking
- ends up dying, then his position is
- exactly like that, then Stephen Hawking
- is subject to time and he is not
- liberal.
- He.
- Just like what happened with Step job,
- just like what happened with Einstein,
- for example. They acknowledge their
- great thinking, but ultimately they
- submit to time, like that. Now, in this
- position of submission to time, we can
- see Indonesian history, the collapse of
- Srivijaya, the collapse of Majapahit,
- all subject to time. Because the image
- of that time is a representation of
- what we fill it with. That's why God
- always says," There are two things that
- are always given to humans, health and
- time. As long as you don't take
- advantage of them, as long as you don't
- take advantage of your health, and at
- that time, you're in a losing position.
- Well, then the further story is, how
- can our economy recover? I see it this
- way. As long as Indonesia continues to
- be guided by Western economic ways of
- thinking, as long as Indonesia is
- guided by ideas that some of these
- books prove the West has fallen. I even
- have a video that acknowledges that the
- way of thinking I'm going to share with
- you about the fall of Western thinking,
- that's what I mean. So, in fact,
- Indonesia is in a vulnerable position.
- In a presentation I gave to a group at
- a financial association in Indonesia,
- for example, last March, or I presented
- to a certain academic group, for
- example, I proved that from 1944 until
- today, the Indonesian economy has been
- vulnerable because it has adopted a
- Western approach. But if we take a look
- at certain gaps between 1964 and 2018,
- we can see that the vulnerability has
- occurred since 1997, and it's been
- excessively vulnerable. That's it. It
- was later acknowledged that the Chinese
- economy was far stronger than
- Western-based economies. Well, I can
- prove it with a graph. So, from 64 to
- 97, our exchange rate was like this.
- The position was like this. But since
- 1997, it's fallen like this, then
- climbed like this, and the instability
- is very obvious. That's what I
- mentioned at Elsinta, which then became
- a hot topic in certain groups: our
- fundamentals have always been fragile.
- So, if our fundamentals are fragile, we
- have to find the cause. In April 2015,
- together with a group of religious
- organizations, I intended to file a
- lawsuit against the source of that
- fragility. The source of that fragility
- was liberalization in the financial and
- trade sectors. What was that? The
- Investment Law, number 25 of 2007, and
- the Foreign Exchange and Payment System
- Law number 24 of 1999. This is the
- source of the problem. Unfortunately,
- it disappeared from the Constitutional
- Court records, and the people I was
- with were summoned by certain
- high-ranking officials except me, to
- discontinue the lawsuit. That's the
- story a high-ranking official told me
- about me, that they and their friends
- were summoned to a high-ranking
- official's office in this country to
- provide an explanation so that the
- lawsuit would not be filed. Continued.
- What does that mean? It means I want to
- answer your question. What are the
- future predictions? Future predictions
- for the Indonesian economy remain
- vulnerable, fragile. So when Indonesia
- remains amazed by the Price Water
- Scoopers study which stated that in
- 2030 Indonesia's GDP would reach 5,424
- trillion. Repeatedly in 2030-2035,
- Indonesia took fifth place with a GDP
- of 5,424 trillion. For me, that's
- stupid. Why stupid? Because now the
- number is only 1,000, 1,060. To be
- precise, 13,000 trillion or so is the
- position. If I round it up, it means
- only 1,000 trillion. If it's now 1,000
- trillion, I shouldn't say 2030, it's
- closer to 2035. 2035 becomes 5,424
- trillion. 5,424 trillion divided by
- 1,000 means the increase is 5.424%.
- That's 542.4%from 2018 to 2035. 35-18
- That means 13 years. More than 17 years
- , right? Yes, 17 years. 2 35-18 17
- years means 542.4/17. Maybe you grew in
- a certain short time like that by more
- than 20%in 1 year, maybe not?
- Impossible. Or 30%is 542/17. If it's 30
- %, that means you have to grow 30%in a
- year to reach that number. No way. No
- way. Growing 30%30*17 is only 510. In
- fact, we have to grow 542.4%. Speed is
- what we're talking about,
- sir? No.
- I said there's logic, that's why I said
- you're stupid, you don't care about
- flattery. Indonesians, from the time
- they were called distant kingdoms until
- now, have died when they were held in
- their laps. And you've always been held
- in the lap by the West to be killed, to
- not be empowered. I'm arguing this, not
- with certain people. I'm even arguing
- with the big, prestigious needs in this
- country. Because I succeeded in proving
- that they always try to carry my nation
- on their lap, even holding my officials
- on their lap so that they remain lulled
- and lulled to sleep. I'm excited to say
- that. Because I really do. I was
- invited by prestigious ambassadors in
- this country and I proved that they
- were wrong in treating my officials,
- educators in this country. I said, "
- Luckily the official is not me. If it
- were my official, you couldn't do that.
- I am because I know what you mean.
- Rasil Viewers, I say this with
- documents. I hold documents. I can
- prove who the officials were who were
- embraced, who were the officials who
- then signed the agreements so that in
- the end Indonesia fell apart. I have
- the documents and I dare to mention
- their names. In my presentations, for
- example at the MPR study institute, I
- firmly mentioned A, B, Si C, D. I seem
- embarrassed to say that because I am
- holding the document. No, no, not in
- the context of slander or backbiting.
- No. I want to say, I'm bringing this up
- even though they are professors with
- doctorates from prestigious
- universities in America. And
- Indonesians are proud of figures like
- these because of their media success.
- You're
- proud of Sri Mulyani as a great
- Indonesian woman who has entered the
- world stage. But look at her work, do
- you realize that she's actually
- burdening the common people to pay the
- rich through her bonds? Do you realize?
- Do you
- realize? Perhaps you're pretending not
- to realize,
- and you're still proud, especially
- since this great woman received her
- award from an Arab from the United Arab
- Emirates, given by a government summit.
- You don't know that behind the World
- Government Summit are Jews.
- Jews exploit the United Arab Emirates
- to give it to all of this. So
- Indonesians say that Arabs are great,
- giving
- to the world. Yes, you don't know that
- behind the word government, the word
- governance, are Jews.
- The appeal is
- the same, there's no difference.
- Recently, as a new, I want to say to
- you, please, we have the right
- intellectual and spiritual intelligence
- to see that something is wrong in this
- country. I even said this: if the
- Gospelists or the Ghost Fleet talked
- about a Second East happening, I could
- easily explain how the story of
- Gresberg and Iceberg, controlled by
- Pripot until 241, was called. It's not
- just a matter of resources, where the
- money involved in perception is
- measured by something real, and that
- real thing is gold, and that gold was
- taken from Gresberg and Iceberg, and
- that's Papua. In fact, in the context
- of economic warfare, economic warfare
- is demonstrated by the power of pockets
- because the world of casino economics,
- the world of gambling. The world
- economy, with its financial industry
- games, is a casino economy. A gambling
- economy. And the gambling economy is
- demonstrated by financial power. And
- the financial power that plays a role
- in perception is based on gold,
- and we are controlled by
- and we are controlled.
- So it's
- natural that Peter the Great stated
- that a brand is happening, and for me,
- that's Papua, and I've said that
- everywhere, it's not new. It makes
- sense. America may have lost in foreign
- exchange reserves, but America still
- controls gold reserves. America owns
- the largest gold reserves in the world.
- 87%of the world's gold belongs to
- America. It only decreased yesterday
- from 84%, only 3%. That means he's
- still cutting off his resources, right?
- Because to keep the bonds valid, he has
- to have something, right? Bonds must be
- based on something real. What's real is
- gold reserves. His gold reserves are
- taken from people.
- You don't understand that federalism is
- controlled by 12 parties, 12
- shareholders.
- From the issue of our country, we've
- shifted to the issue of Islam. Muslims
- are currently experiencing a lot of
- pressure from both within and outside
- the country, and this is becoming an
- increasingly global issue. In your
- opinion, what is our current situation,
- sir? Do we still have hope of taking
- over, like in the glory days of Islam,
- when we were truly on top and
- controlled, whatever the journey, be it
- economic or political, in the world,
- sir?
- When Iraq was invaded, it was actually
- inseparable from Samuel P. P.
- Huntington's book," The Class
- Civilization and the Marks World, "
- right? This means that the West is
- claiming that there is a clash of
- civilizations, when in fact, this is a
- battle between the civilizations they
- have created for almost three centuries
- . I say almost 3 centuries because they
- started to emerge in the 14th, 15th,
- 16th, and 17th centuries, and they only
- became superior after the industrial
- revolution. And they felt that after
- defeating Jaek Levkia, defeating the
- Soviet Union, they felt that they had
- only one enemy of Islam. And after the
- Gulf War crisis, after that, they had
- to kill all remnants of civilization
- that claimed Islam was once superior.
- That was the invasion of Iraq.
- That was the destruction of Islamic
- civilization. So Iraq was destroyed, ee
- as the land of 1001 nights.
- The position of the destruction of
- civilization stated that there were no
- traces of previous civilizations except
- traces of Western civilization.
- position. I am surprised when the world
- community ee Islamic society ee does
- not realize that in fact they are not
- free from a scenario. The West is
- declaring its superior civilization
- position. Uh, long before Iraq was
- invaded in 2003 eh Jatokabus on
- September 22nd to 17th, 2002, launched
- the National Security Strategic of the
- US. That was after the fall of the WTC
- on September 11, 2001. In simple terms,
- the book published by Samuel Pen
- Huntington is not actually an academic
- book but a political one, a Jewish
- agenda book to declare Western
- civilization as supreme. When I say
- Western civilization, it means
- materialism,
- liberalism,
- and liberalism. It's not really liberal
- because it's being regulated by Jewish
- rights groups. You have to submit to my
- rules. So it's not really liberal.
- That's what people consider wrong, you
- know. Because ultimately, with
- liberalism, there will be certain rules
- , as mentioned earlier regarding the
- financial industry, there are some that
- are not liberal and whose position is
- regulated. Well, the materialism that
- they brought about through war, through
- political documents like that in 1996
- continued to then bring down Indonesia
- as a potential resistance force in
- 1997-98. So, Indonesia was actually hit
- for two reasons: Indonesia had the
- potential to resist, so it was brought
- down through finance. How the exchange
- rate was dropped and then hit again in
- 2001. That's what playing the victim is
- called. In 2001, the WTC was playing
- the victim. In 2003, Iraq was lost.
- It's still in a cycle of the West
- declaring its civilization superior and
- having all the power. That was the
- statement of the US National Security
- Strategy on September 17, 2002. That
- can be seen. That's why, yesterday,
- when Trump launched the National
- Executive Strategy of the US in
- December 2017, there was an uproar.
- Because, from the reign of Jetobus to
- Obama, America routinely issued its
- National Security Strategy of the US
- about how it wanted to revive their
- civilization, which was then completely
- defeated by China in 2008, that's the
- story. This audience's results are
- truly extraordinary when viewed in this
- way. That we are facing a power that,
- uh, God has proven is actually weak. So
- , proof that liberalism is actually a
- mental disorder, it's weak. And what
- proof does God prove? In 2016, a book
- was published called the Connectivity
- War. Connectivity War is migration
- power. Migration power emerged through
- Turkey. That's why people are amazed by
- Erdogan, through Turkey. That's why all
- the people who became victims of the
- war because of America's behavior
- migrated to Western countries. Whether
- it's Europe, America, or even Canada.
- They say this is dangerous for the
- count of 20, 30, 20, 35. Why? Because
- those who will dominate are people who
- come from migration and are Muslim. And
- it won't be won through economic power,
- or weaponry, or technology, but the
- power of migration.
- Oh, God willing, that's how it
- looks.
- Yes. Yes. Well, that's it, and at the
- same time, the Jews are still coming up
- with something new. So, I tell this
- about the connectivity war with a bit
- of goosebumps because for some
- Indonesians, it's very rare to see it.
- Uh, the title of the book is Asiaary
- Rebalancing, rebalancing power in Asia.
- Why? Because when the immigration war
- and connectivity war were brought up by
- the strategic studies of the European
- Union and America, they continued to
- issue Asian rebalancing, in essence,
- there was an acknowledgment that China
- had entered the ASEAN region with such
- influence. That's my book, my book
- about the ASEAN Economic Community. Who
- dominates what and who sacrifices what
- position. Well, I want to tell the
- audience, Rasil, that secretly, Islam,
- with its seemingly submissive attitude,
- is actually surviving, but in its own
- way. And that's God's way. What do I
- mean by God's way? Muslims remain
- steadfast in their faith, not swayed by
- their materialism. That's the story.
- H. Yes.
- So, they haven't shifted from the power
- of their materialism. They remain
- strong in their monotheistic principles
- . This is proven by the power of their
- prayers, and even the conversion of
- churches into mosques in London. And
- that's worrying. The peak of that worry
- actually occurred in the situation I
- mentioned to you in February 2017 when
- Donald Trump declared Christianity a
- gamble. This means that the position of
- civilization, the war of civilizations
- that emerged in 1996 and then continued
- in 2002, 2003, 2004, and 2008, was
- realized as a manifestation of how
- materialism, which emerged through
- Christianity's gambling, actually
- fought against Islam. Not a single
- media outlet in Indonesia quoted
- Trump's statement. This is about
- judiciary. I delivered it in a small
- mosque, facing only about 100 people.
- This is about judo Christianity. And
- some people don't understand what judo
- Christianity is. This is about
- religious war. Not just economic war.
- In other words, economic war is the
- spearhead. Behind it is religion, or
- behind it is religion, behind it is
- economics. The patron-client thesis is
- that economics determines dignity.
- That's right. Even the Prophet Muhammad
- said," Go to the forest, bundle up
- firewood, and sell it from your hands.
- "What does that mean? Economics is
- about dignity. And reality is religion.
- The real content of that position of
- dignity is religion.
- Okay. Masyaallah. It seems I'll repeat
- again that time determines us; we are
- determined by time.
- Eh, Karolin, I'm actually doing this,
- but I'm not finished yet. That's right.
- I want to tell you, I've only explained
- about the situation of Islam on the
- international stage, which impacts
- Indonesia.
- Highly recommended, sir, for all
- listeners.
- In simple terms, if we look at the
- situation in Indonesia, Indonesia is in
- a scenario. If I gave a speech at a
- religious forum, Indonesia is in a
- scenario of division and division, both
- internally and externally. That's why
- we're being pitted against each other,
- and that's because it's part of the
- construction of religion war and
- economic inheritance. So we must
- understand that we shouldn't do that.
- So if we talk about one Islam, then we
- should actually be talking about
- qulhuallah wahad. And qulhuallah wahad
- shouldn't be translated as," O Muhammad
- , say Allah is one. "That's not it. O
- Muhammad, only my teachings can unite
- you. You are the best people in the
- world. What is that? The Qur'an. Islam.
- So the mindset isn't to talk about one
- God. No. But the mindset is that
- humanity can only unite the world when
- they adhere to one Islamic teaching.
- That's how it really is.
- Okay, sir. Masyaallah. Uh, I apologize
- if this time I'm a bit stunned and
- maybe there are also a lot of
- meaningless jumpy sentences. I
- apologize, sir. And I apologize if
- there are any shortcomings in this
- interview. Masyaallah, I have absorbed
- a lot of knowledge, knowledge, and
- facts, especially with the da'wah
- movement team today, there is Kak Upi,
- there is Mak Rosyid, and yes, I will
- tell you about that after I introduce
- myself. I apologize for not introducing
- myself. Thank you very much again, Mr.
- Ihsanudin Nursi, for your time, for
- your knowledge, for the facts. If there
- are any words that are not pleasing.
- Hopefully, in this holy month of
- Ramadan,
- we can write down the Qur'an in our
- hearts. I repeat, write down the Qur'an
- in our hearts. Because the command is
- to write down the Qur'an. As Mr.
- Ihsanuddin mentioned, we Muslims are
- currently an important concern for the
- world community. So don't be
- discouraged. We must be magnanimous.
- Earlier, we had a strong strategy with
- congregational prayer, and then there
- were many teachings of monotheism that,
- God willing, would unite us and bring
- glory back to the hands of the Muslim
- community. God willing, I remain
- confident that I will excuse myself.
- Subhanakallahumma wabihamdika asadu
- anta astagfiruka walidah.
- Wasalamualaikum warahmatullahi
- wabarakatuh.
- Waalaikumsalam warahmat. و و
