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0:08 Brail TV. 0:16 Peace be upon you, Bang Dula. 0:18 And peace be upon you too. 0:20 Wow, you look healthy, Bang Dula. When 0:23 was the last time you went to the 0:24 Jakarta Fair? Have you ever strolled 0:26 around there, Bang? Oh, I have never 0:29 been to the Jakarta Fair. 0:33 Because it only just reopened last 0:34 night after two years, Bang Dula. 0:36 Yes. Yes. 0:37 But Jakarta is truly remarkable, Bang 0:40 Dula. What is this? Um, at many bus 0:44 terminals, there is writing, Bang Dula. 0:49 The word written there is "integrity." 0:53 Many people are confused about what 0:54 that means. It seems this particular 0:57 governor always reminds us of the need 1:00 for integrity. I remember that Bang 1:02 Dula once wrote an extraordinary book 1:05 regarding corruption. It’s not far 1:08 from that topic. Maybe you could remind 1:12 us, amidst the KPK hunting in a zoo, as 1:16 people say, right? This integrity has 1:21 become a point of reflection. 1:24 Especially now that the KPK's ranking 1:27 in indicator surveys is quite low, it 1:29 has never been this low. What is 1:32 happening? What is Bang Dula's 1:34 perspective on the two issues 1:35 circulating right now? Please go ahead, 1:37 Bang Dula. 1:38 Yes. So, there is a serious problem 1:43 where we talk about integrity, 1:47 but then we don't understand what 1:49 integrity is. Secondly, 1:52 we understand integrity, but we only 1:54 talk about it and don't practice it. 1:56 Right. 1:57 So therefore, in social philosophy, 2:00 when people do wrong, it’s first 2:02 because they don't know, so our duty is 2:06 to inform them. 2:08 Second, people make mistakes because 2:11 their knowledge is lacking about 2:13 something, so our duty is to provide 2:15 more information. Third, people know 2:18 but do it on purpose. If it's this type 2:21 of person, we don't need to do much; 2:23 just leave it to the legal process. Now 2:25 , we are obligated to convey this to 2:27 those who don't know or know very 2:29 little. That is why I wrote a book 2:34 about integrity, achieving success and 2:38 happiness. That is the title of my book 2:42 , which I think is also mentioned there 2:44 . Integrity comes from the English word 2:49 "integrity," meaning unified or 2:51 comprehensive. In the Quran, it is 2:55 called "kaffah.""Ya ayyuhalladzina 2:58 amanu udkhulu fissilmi kaffah.""Inin."" 3:04 O you who have believed, enter into 3:06 Islam completely." So it cannot be 3:09 partial. It must be whole, and do not 3:12 follow the footsteps of Satan, for he 3:15 is to you a clear enemy. So, at the KPK 3:20 , the requirements to become a member 3:25 or employee before the law was amended 3:30 were clear. The requirements to become 3:35 KPK personnel were two. First, 3:37 integrity. Second, professionalism. Why 3:41 did we place integrity first and 3:43 professionalism second? Because 3:46 professionalism involves knowledge and 3:49 skills that can be trained, taught, or 3:52 learned through courses. But integrity 3:56 comes from within. So, from the time in 4:01 the womb, then nurtured as an infant 4:04 until growing up, character formation 4:08 starts from there, and therefore, it 4:12 must become integrity. 4:16 Now, at the KPK at that time, we 4:18 established Hello. 4:22 I 4:23 still being heard. Still. Go on, go on. 4:27 we established zero tolerance, the 4:29 zero-tolerance principle. So 4:31 it must be 0% 4:33 uh 4:33 there can be no, what do you call it, 4:35 not even the slightest bit. 4:37 Why? Because back in 2004 4:41 Hm. 4:41 when the KPK was first established and 4:44 the leadership needed 4:48 investigators, detectives, and 4:50 prosecutors for the KPK, those 4:52 investigators were processed, and one 4:55 of them had a score of, what do you 4:58 call it, 3 point something. So the rule 5:02 at the KPK was 5:03 that to pass, you need integrity. Yeah. 5:05 The scale was 1 to 5, with a minimum of 5:08 4. 5:09 Hm. 5:09 To pass. 5:11 It turned out he scored 3.9, so he was 5:13 0.1 short. 5:15 Now, according to the SOP, he should 5:18 not have passed. But because at that 5:22 time in 2004-2005, we needed 5:24 investigative staff, one of the leaders 5:27 said, "It's fine, we need these 5:30 investigators, it's only a 0.1 5:32 difference; it can be improved through 5:35 KPK training." So then, he got through. 5:39 It turned out that less than a year 5:42 later, or barely a year, he was already 5:45 nearing retirement age. uh, not long 5:48 after 5:50 a case occurred in Bandung 5:52 which then involved him. So this was 5:55 the first KPK investigator case caught 5:58 by the KPK 5:59 that 6:00 all because his integrity was 6:03 0.1 6:04 3.9 6:05 just 0.1 short, and from then on 6:08 ever since that moment, there has been 6:10 no more bargaining; it must be a 6:12 minimum of four, like that. That is the 6:15 zero-tolerance principle. 6:16 Hm. 6:18 But after the change in government and 6:20 the KPK law was amended, now it is no 6:23 longer like that at the KPK. 6:27 So, integrity 6:29 has six pillars. 6:32 The first is honesty. 6:34 Hm. 6:34 The second is steadfastness (istikamah) 6:36 . The third is commitment to the 6:40 mission of the struggle. Sir. 6:42 The fourth is how to be objective. 6:45 The fifth is being brave in making 6:47 decisions and ready to accept the risks 6:48 . And the sixth is being disciplined 6:51 and responsible. This honesty is 6:54 extraordinary, it is the main one. True 6:56 . That is why the Prophet, when he was 6:59 young, before becoming a prophet, was 7:01 given the title by the people of Mecca 7:03 as al-Amin, 7:05 the trustworthy one. Because all his 7:08 words, promises, and sayings were 7:11 always true, followed, and the trust 7:14 was fulfilled. 7:17 Now, this honesty has become a serious 7:19 issue, and that is why we see the 7:22 corruption cases in Indonesia 7:25 involving ministers, the Speaker of the 7:27 House, and the Chief Justice of the 7:29 Constitutional Court; all of that 7:30 happens because they are not honest. 7:32 Hm. Just look, let's observe. The Chief 7:35 Justice of the Constitutional Court we 7:37 caught back then had a salary of 100 7:38 million. That was in the year 2007 or 7:42 2008, 100 million at that time. If it 7:45 were now, the salary would be more than 7:46 100 million. But corruption can also 7:49 happen because they are not honest with 7:52 themselves, not honest with others, 7:54 whether it's their spouse, neighbors, 7:56 and not honest with the environment, 7:58 and so on. Yes. 8:01 Now, we see dishonesty towards the 8:03 environment, for example, the Riau 8:05 Governor; the KPK arrested three 8:06 governors in a row. Why? Because they 8:09 were not honest with the environment. 8:11 Then forestry concessions were given 8:13 freely due to corruption between local 8:16 officials and forestry entrepreneurs. 8:19 So then came floods, barren land, 8:22 landslides, and so on. It is the same 8:25 in other provinces. So, it is honesty 8:29 that allows people to be steadfast. It 8:32 is impossible for people to be 8:33 consistent, impossible for people to be 8:35 steadfast if they are not honest. Now, 8:37 because they are honest, they are 8:39 steadfast and consistent in carrying 8:41 out their oath of office to become bla 8:43 bla bla bla. So they are consistent in 8:46 carrying it out. Because they are 8:48 consistent, they are committed to their 8:51 oath of office, committed to their 8:53 civil servant oath, and committed to 8:56 what they promised. In accordance with 8:59 the Prophet's hadith, that 9:00 trustworthiness means someone who does 9:03 not lie when they speak. 9:05 Yes. 9:06 If they make a promise, they keep it; 9:08 if they are given a mandate or task, 9:09 they do not betray it. Now, those are 9:12 the people who must be committed. So, 9:15 for example, if the President, Vice 9:17 President, Ministers, Governors, Mayors 9:19 , or members of parliament are 9:21 committed to 9:22 the goals of Indonesia's independence 9:24 as stated in the Preamble of the 9:25 Constitution, 9:27 then they will not make policies that 9:32 make the people suffer. Second, they 9:36 must not create any educational 9:38 policies that keep the people ignorant. 9:41 Third, they must not create policies 9:43 that lead to Indonesian territory being 9:46 sold, mortgaged, and so on. And fourth, 9:49 they must not create policies that harm 9:52 Indonesia's reputation abroad. 9:54 So, 9:57 the goals of independence, as stated in 10:00 the fourth paragraph, are how to 10:02 prosper the people, educate the nation, 10:05 defend the NKRI, and help create 10:08 lasting world peace. So, if people are 10:12 committed, from the President down to 10:14 the village head, committed to those 10:17 goals of the struggle, then policies 10:19 like this would not happen, because 10:22 they are not 10:23 committed to the vision and mission of 10:26 the struggle in the fourth paragraph, 10:29 so we see our debt now 10:30 is massive. 10:32 Foreign debt is over 6 thousand 10:35 trillion. Yes. 10:37 Then state-owned enterprise debt is 10:39 over 2 thousand trillion, 10:41 private debt is so much, so the total 10:43 is around 17 thousand trillion. If that 10:46 is paid normally, it will take until 10:48 2050. The question is, will Indonesia 10:51 still exist in 2050 or not? So, that is 10:54 the third pillar of integrity, which is 10:56 commitment to the vision and mission of 10:59 the struggle. The fourth is being 11:01 objective. Objectivity is a 11:04 proportional attitude. That is to say, 11:09 what is it? If we have mothers at home 11:12 who have a cup 11:14 and a saucer, 11:16 in the middle of that saucer, there is 11:18 a circle. A circle. 11:20 A circle. Now, if we place that cup 11:22 exactly within that circle, then even 11:25 if we carry it full of water, it won't 11:27 spill. Yes. 11:29 But if we don't place the cup right in 11:31 the center of the saucer, then when we 11:34 walk to serve it to a guest, it will 11:36 wobble, tilt, and spill. Now, that is 11:39 what being objective is. In religious 11:42 terms, it means being just. Justice, in 11:45 Arabic, means proportional. Yes. 11:48 So with that, we look at it; if we are 11:51 objective, then we can see, for example 11:54 , 11:56 people using Islamic symbols 12:00 get arrested. But when Papuan students 12:03 in Jakarta, Jogja, or Surabaya 12:06 demonstrate and carry the Morning Star 12:08 flag, which belongs to the OPM, they 12:11 aren't arrested, nothing happens. Even 12:14 in front of the palace, Papuan students 12:16 came, they were at the palace carrying 12:18 that Morning Star flag and were not 12:20 arrested. But when a group carries, for 12:23 example, the declaration of Tawhid, 12:25 they are then associated with a certain 12:27 organization and arrested. This means 12:30 the government is not just, the 12:31 government is not objective, and so on. 12:34 Now, this must be understood in terms 12:36 of integrity. Then the fifth point is 12:39 having the courage to make decisions 12:41 and being ready to accept the risks. So 12:45 , for instance, if the government says 12:48 that COVID-19 has declined so there is 12:52 no longer a need for vaccines, 12:57 then people should no longer be 12:59 burdened with having to get vaccine 1, 13:02 2, 3, boosters, and so on, then PCRs 13:05 and such—which started from, what do 13:08 you call it, PCRs costing 2 million 13:11 down to finally around 400. 13:15 Uh, because we dare to make decisions 13:18 on policy but, uh, we are not ready for 13:21 the risks. For example, I am told to 13:25 wear a mask, but when officials at any 13:29 event in crowded places don't wear 13:33 masks, and are then mocked or teased by 13:37 netizens, do we then consider that an 13:40 act of, uh, disloyalty to the 13:44 government, disloyalty to the state, 13:47 and so on? It means we dare to make 13:50 decisions but aren't ready to accept 13:52 the risks. Take the latest example, the 13:54 construction of the Jakarta-Bandung 13:57 high-speed train; it was stated that it 13:59 wouldn't use the state budget. Huh. 14:03 But all of a sudden, last year, the 14:05 President said it would use the state 14:08 budget, uh, 1 point something trillion, 14:11 1.9 or 1.7 trillion to continue the 14:13 Jakarta-Bandung train construction. Now 14:17 , this means they aren't ready to 14:20 accept the risks; if they were truly 14:23 consistent with the statement of daring 14:26 to build the Jakarta-Bandung train, 14:29 then they shouldn't have used the state 14:32 budget. Or, for instance, if it's 14:37 considered that the Jakarta-Bandung 14:40 train was built to solve Jakarta's 14:42 traffic, why move the capital to East 14:44 Kalimantan? This means they dare to 14:48 make decisions but aren't ready to 14:49 accept the risks. The last one is being 14:52 disciplined and responsible. A person 14:56 cannot be responsible if they are not 14:59 honest. Therefore, I always say on 15:04 various occasions, an official, a head 15:06 of a household, a leader of an 15:09 organization, or a leader of a 15:11 political party needs to be honest and 15:13 intelligent. 15:17 Honest but not intelligent is a problem 15:19 . 15:20 Intelligent but not honest is also a 15:22 problem. We truly need people who are 15:24 honest and intelligent. 15:27 Honest in everything, and intelligent 15:30 as described in Surah Al-Imran verses 15:34 190 to 192, known as ulul albab. So 15:38 that, by doing so, carrying out duties 15:40 in any position will, God willing, be 15:42 successful. 15:43 Yes. Yes. 15:45 As for 15:46 the ranking 15:48 uh, what was the second question, Mas 15:50 Isa? The KPK's ranking which has 15:52 declined compared to other institutions 15:54 . 15:54 So 15:55 the survey 15:56 uh, I must give credit to the person 16:00 controlling the president, 16:03 which led to the amendment of the KPK 16:06 law, resulting in the KPK facing this 16:09 current fate. Why? Because if the KPK 16:14 remained as it was in the beginning, at 16:18 least until around the year 2013, 16:22 anyone could be arrested. 16:25 Yeah. From the independence of 16:29 Indonesia until now, only the KPK has 16:32 arrested ministers, speakers of the 16:35 House, governors, regents, mayors, 16:39 presidential in-laws, and so on. Now, 16:43 therefore, if the KPK were left as it 16:46 used to be, while ministers, presidents 16:49 , vice presidents, governors, regents, 16:51 and mayors were elected because they 16:54 were funded by the oligarchy, 16:57 then, naturally, the oligarchy would no 17:00 longer be able to play a role. If those 17:03 who become president, vice president, 17:05 governor, minister, regent, mayor, or 17:08 member of parliament are people who 17:10 have no connection to the oligarchy or 17:12 are not funded by the oligarchy. One 17:14 survey shows that to become president 17:17 in Indonesia now, it costs at least 9 17:20 trillion. 17:22 Now, do the current presidents, for 17:25 instance, have 9 trillion to be elected 17:28 ? Heh. 17:30 Certainly not, unless they use the 17:32 oligarchy. It is that oligarchy that 17:36 then performs, uh, vote buying or vote 17:39 manipulation through the KPU and so on, 17:42 until a president or even a village 17:45 head is elected. Now, because of that, 17:49 the KPK had to be sabotaged. Why must 17:51 it be sabotaged? One of the ways was by 17:55 removing the KPK's authority to conduct 17:58 wiretapping. 18:00 Hm. 18:00 Now, that is extraordinary. Uh, those 18:03 who don't have police or prosecutors 18:04 are wiretapping 18:06 cases of corruption. 18:07 Uh, police and prosecutors can wiretap 18:10 for, uh, narcotics for instance, 18:13 or other matters, but for corruption, 18:15 they cannot. That is solely the 18:16 authority granted to the KPK. Hm. 18:18 Now, because of that, the KPK's 18:20 authority was amputated by way of 18:23 a very subtle method, which is that 18:25 wiretapping can only be done with the 18:28 permission of 18:30 Hm. 18:31 the chair or the body known as the KPK 18:34 supervisory board. 18:36 Hm. 18:37 Ah. Now, meanwhile, the members of this 18:40 KPK supervisory board, all five of them 18:43 , are appointed by the President. So it 18:47 is impossible for the KPK supervisory 18:50 board to do anything, like authorizing 18:54 KPK investigators or prosecutors to 18:56 detain someone who has ties to the 18:59 President, Vice President, or major 19:02 parties. And that is exactly why it 19:07 clearly impacts the KPK's performance. 19:11 Now, the KPK's performance is declining 19:13 because 19:14 The most concrete example is Harun 19:16 Masiku, which we always bring up on 19:19 various occasions. Harun Masiku is not 19:21 a high-ranking 19:24 official in the PDI-P, he is not a 19:27 party figure, nor a member of the House 19:30 or a governor or a public figure. He is 19:35 just an ordinary person who became a 19:38 House member through an interim 19:40 replacement. But because he didn't meet 19:46 the requirements, he used his party to 19:49 bribe the KPU so he could be appointed 19:52 as a House member. Well, he then fled 19:56 and has now been on the run for over a 19:58 year without being caught. That is what 20:01 has severely damaged the KPK's image. 20:04 Because compared to Nazaruddin, 20:07 who was the treasurer of the ruling 20:09 party at the time, he was a House 20:11 member, yet in less than 6 months, the 20:14 KPK caught him. Now, this is what has 20:17 caused the KPK's image to decline. For 20:19 the first time in history, the KPK is 20:21 ranked fifth. 20:22 Yes. 20:23 After the Attorney General's Office and 20:26 the police, it's just, you know, very, 20:28 very poor. The KPK. Therefore, there is 20:31 no other choice for the KPK. If they 20:35 want to regain public trust, they must 20:38 conduct processes just like the KPK did 20:41 in the early days. 20:43 And then the supervisory board must 20:46 have the courage to, you know, grant 20:49 permits to investigators and 20:51 prosecutors to carry out processes, 20:57 whether it’s wiretapping or 20:59 investigating major cases, like the 21:02 BLBI issue, the E-KTP case, 21:06 the Meikarta case, or, you know, the 21:10 Harun Masiku case. Now, if that is done 21:15 , I believe that in a short time the 21:18 KPK can rise again to its position as 21:21 the top law enforcement agency that 21:24 always shows its alignment with the 21:27 public and so on. That is perhaps my 21:31 note regarding the KPK. 21:33 The KPK. Wow, thank you Bang Dula for 21:36 the enlightenment this morning. 21:37 Extraordinary. Hopefully, we always 21:40 have that integrity, which we are 21:42 always building in our respective 21:44 families. 21:46 Thank you, Bang Dula, for this morning. 21:48 Good morning. Assalamu'alaikum, Bang 21:50 Dula. 21:50 Wa'alaikumussalam warahmatullahi 21:51 wabarakatuh. 
