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- Rasil TV For the one Islam.
- In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious
- , the Most Merciful. Peace be upon you,
- and Allah's mercy and blessings. Praise
- be to Allah and peace be upon Muhammad.
- Broadcasting from Jalan Masjid
- Silaturahim number 36, Kalangis,
- Cibubur, Bekasi, Radio Silaturahim and
- visual for the one Islam. Brothers and
- sisters who are blessed by Allah
- subhanahu wa ta'ala, may you be in good
- health this evening. I am Angga
- Aminuddin, accompanied by Paj Hidayat
- and Yusuf Subangkit, very happy to
- greet you wherever you are. We are here
- for the Education Talk show. We have
- entered the third Sunday of July,
- haven't we? We are now on the 15th, yes
- , July has reached the third Sunday of
- this month. And as usual, every third
- Sunday of the month, every third Sunday
- of the month, we are here for the
- Education Talk show with Mr. Munif.
- Alhamdulillah, he is present in the
- studio. Peace be upon you, Mr. Munif.
- And peace be upon you, and Allah's
- mercy and blessings.
- So, everything is ready for the start
- of school tomorrow, sir?
- Yes, that's right. All at once, yes,
- July 16th is the first day of school.
- School.
- Now, I received some news, Mr. Munif,
- that the Governor of Jakarta, Mr. Anies
- Baswedan, has issued a special
- gubernatorial instruction regarding the
- first day of school.
- Because when he was the Minister of
- Education, it was also like that.
- How taking children to school on their
- first day is something very valuable
- for parents.
- True. True. Yeah.
- And I hope this becomes a culture.
- Becomes a culture, right?
- A culture. Yes.
- Now, brothers and sisters, here is a
- video where we got audio from Mr. Anies
- Baswedan regarding the Jakarta
- Governor's call about the first day of
- school. So, on the first day of school,
- parents should take their children to
- school. Here is a snippet of his voice.
- Please,
- We can use the first day of school as a
- momentum. For parents to take their
- children to school, not just to the
- gate, but meet the teachers and see the
- school atmosphere. For teachers to know
- the parents and know their children.
- This is a golden momentum. Therefore, I
- encourage parents on the first day of
- school to take your children. And this
- becomes a memorable experience for the
- child to be taken by their parents.
- That is why I also encourage leaders,
- both in government and private
- institutions in the capital, to allow
- employees and staff who take their
- children to school to start work after
- they finish. God willing, this is part
- of our effort to encourage our children
- to learn better and prepare a better
- future for everyone. Therefore, I hope
- everyone supports the activity of
- taking children to school on the first
- day.
- Well, there is the commentary, Mr.
- Munif, a "golden momentum" as he said.
- The first day of school accompanied by
- parents.
- True. I have two words to comment,
- perhaps.
- The first is trust.
- Yes. When parents drop their children
- off on the first day of school, it’s
- like they are building a bond of trust
- with the school and the teachers.
- Because they are there physically, they
- are sure to meet, chat for a bit, and
- so on.
- And for the parents, the second point
- is, what should I say? Like Mr. Anies
- said earlier, it's a golden moment,
- that education is actually an
- investment.
- An investment. So it shouldn’t be
- pushed to second or third priority,
- like thinking you're too busy with
- other things, or just doing it for one
- day.
- Sometimes, as parents, when we get into
- the realm of financial investment, we
- usually take it more seriously. So,
- education is an investment, right? Yes.
- Spending money, but not as overhead.
- Not just money lost, but something that
- will return as the best things for
- their children. Now,
- there’s even an appeal to company
- leaders to grant their employees
- permission to take just one day off.
- But usually, for kindergarten,
- elementary, or middle school, it's
- still, shall we say,
- still acceptable. For high schoolers,
- it's like, "Ugh, why do you need to
- take me?"
- Right. That’s why I think what’s
- unique here is,
- Yes.
- That it doesn't matter what the level
- is, even high school students are
- dropped off by their parents. This
- becomes a momentum. Exactly. So for
- both the child and the parent dropping
- them off, the impression is different.
- Right?
- It’s not just
- dropping them off for a routine matter,
- but this is something extraordinary.
- Alright parents, don't forget to drop
- off your students tomorrow. Be it for
- elementary, middle, or high school. If
- it's kindergarten, that's a given.
- Alright, our education talk tonight,
- everyone, with Mr. Munif, we will raise
- the topic of designing your dreams:
- where to go after high school. We have
- invited high school graduates here. We
- will discuss talent, interests, and
- aspirations with these students. So,
- there are graduates from Insan Mandiri
- High School and also from the School of
- Human. Yes. Actually, there are nearly
- seven people here, but we will take
- turns during the broadcast. There is
- Far Rozi from Insan Mandiri School.
- Assalamualaikum Ozi.
- Waalaikumsalam.
- Now, this voice is already familiar.
- There is Faris Zain. Now, this is also
- from Insan Mandiri, right? An Insan
- Mandiri graduate, right? Uh, no.
- Oh, I saw "SOH" next to Faris's name
- here. Faris Zin is from SOH,
- from SOH, the School of Human. And the
- last one, the third one, is Imad Dimas,
- also from Insan Mandiri School. We will
- also feature Abdillah Mardika from
- Insan Mandiri School as well, and Rais
- Almalik from Insan Mandiri too, right?
- Akmaril.
- Oh,
- Akmaril.
- Akmaril. Rais Akmaril. There’s also
- Ardian Abdul Fattah. Then there is
- Fikrianto Akbari, right. And lastly, if
- there’s time to join later, there’s
- Ilham from the School of Human.
- Yes.
- Yes. Mr. Munip, why are we bringing up
- this topic, sir? Well, it’s about the
- momentum. So, with school starting for
- the kids tomorrow,
- from kindergarten, elementary, middle,
- to high school,
- there are also those finishing up,
- graduating from 12th grade or high
- school. Now, and I usually always say
- this, Mas Angga.
- Uh-huh.
- The three years in high school are like
- these kids walking through a forest.
- Uh-huh.
- Then they arrive at a spot with many
- signposts. Turning left, turning right,
- or veering left. Veering right, there
- are so many signposts. Uh-huh.
- Now, their future is actually
- determined by how they make that choice
- . Now, this is in high school. In
- middle school, not yet, Mas.
- Not yet?
- Yes. But in high school, it's very
- important, truly.
- It's about our children's future.
- Uh-huh.
- Whether it's their profession, their
- goals, or their hopes, it’s all
- connected to how they spend those three
- years in high school. This is very
- important. So,
- I have data, Mas Angga, back around
- 2018. In 2014-2015, I conducted
- research in the city of Surabaya.
- Yes. First, I researched 12 th-grade
- students.
- Uh-huh.
- In the even semester. Meaning they are
- about to graduate.
- Final year, right?
- Yes, it's already the final year.
- So, there were 100 respondents just to
- make the math easy.
- I randomized it across several schools,
- public and private, I randomized it.
- I gave them a questionnaire with simple
- questions. Uh-huh.
- Where are you going after this? Which
- faculty or major are you choosing after
- graduation?
- But there was a choice I intentionally
- included because I wanted real data.
- Are they still confused or not?
- Yes. It turns out, Mas Angga, the
- result was shocking from these 100
- random respondents.
- I still remember the figure, 93%. 12
- th-grade high school students in the
- second semester
- are still confused about which major to
- choose. Imagine that.
- Even though they are practically at the
- doorstep. They should already be making
- a choice.
- Right. In 10th grade, it's okay, no
- problem. But this is already the final
- semester of 12th grade, and they’re
- still confused.
- So, what’s going on here? Even though
- this is the final gate, really.
- Is there an answer, Mr. Munip, from
- those survey results as to why?
- Well, perhaps the answer is, after we
- did some feedback and interviews,
- because these children don't actually
- know their talents and interests yet.
- They really don't know their talents
- and interests. On average, Mas Angga,
- in this school, the school determines
- which child goes into medicine, which
- child goes into another major, like
- agriculture, and so on. The average way
- of calculating it, sometimes used by
- the counseling teachers, is by
- comparing it to the school community.
- Hmm.
- For example, we have a child who is
- gifted in medicine, their talent is
- extraordinary, and they have a passion
- for it. But the school says, "You
- shouldn't take medicine.""Because in
- your school community, more than half
- have already chosen medicine.""That
- means there's a lot of competition." So
- , in the end, they get hit by those
- kinds of calculations. Heh.
- It crushes their talent and their
- passion; this happens very often.
- Yes. Yes.
- So, perhaps that is the cause, Mas
- Angga. So, there must be a revolution,
- for what? How to guide 12 th-grade
- students
- so they know who they really are
- or is there still a paradigm in society
- that views entering a public university
- as better than a private one?
- Yes. So, that is true, Mas Angga, and
- when November comes, after these kids
- graduate, November is the first
- semester of college, Mas Angga. Now, I
- also conducted research on public and
- private universities.
- Uh-huh.
- The question is, do they feel it's a
- fit? This one semester is only a few
- months, right? Starting in August or
- September, well, by November, it's only
- been 2 months of college.
- It turns out the figure is 87%of new
- students feel what? "Oh, I'm in the
- wrong major." Well,
- it's not a fit.
- Just imagine. So, in 12th grade,
- they're confused, and after getting in,
- they feel it's the wrong major. Well,
- alright.
- That is why tonight we are bringing in
- high school graduates who just finished
- and have actually already made their
- choice.
- That's right.
- They have already made their choice,
- right?
- That's right. Hopefully, from these
- kids, Mas Angga, we can later conclude
- the common thread.
- So, what are the actual indicators for
- our children succeeding in choosing a
- major after high school? What is the
- common thread?
- Yes. Yes. Mas Angga mentioned earlier
- that it must be a public university;
- that's an indicator, and we used to be
- like that.
- When I entered a public university,
- Brawijaya University in Malang, I had
- already gotten in, even though a friend
- chose it for me—imagine, it was even
- drawn by lot—and when taking the test
- back then, it seemed like 75%was just
- luck. So
- lucky to get in.
- Lucky to get in, that's it. But once I
- got in there, I knew for sure it wasn't
- my passion; I don't like rote
- memorization. Suddenly, in the first
- semester, I was told to memorize 3,000-
- plus articles of the Civil Code.
- My misery. And my parents at that time
- insisted I had to keep going. Still had
- to keep going. Now, that is an
- extraordinary challenge.
- Still endured it, right?
- Yes.
- Alright, Pak Wip. I will go to our
- guests, Fakul Rozi, and also there's
- Farizain, and also Dimas, right? So,
- the information is that Fahr Rozi will
- be continuing to Al-Azhar, right?
- That's correct.
- Has it really been well thought out,
- and what are the reasons?
- Yes. Well, so the reason for choosing
- Al-Azhar is based on my interests and
- talents.
- Back when I was in 10th or 11th grade,
- what you might call...I had many
- options, wanting to be this and that.
- But at one point, I realized that if
- you want to pursue higher education, it
- must align with your interests and
- talents as an alternative. At my school
- , there's something called "Career
- Design" learning.
- Uh-huh.
- What's it called? "Career Design" is
- about how to solidify your position,
- knowing your interests and talents so
- that later in university you can enjoy
- it and have a passion for your field.
- Because I, what you might call...
- prefer social sciences and I prefer
- communicating. Finally, I made the
- decision that after, what was it, ICC,
- I would go abroad because maybe abroad
- I will have more networking
- opportunities.
- What is ICC?
- It's Career Design.
- With Mr. Munif during 12th grade at
- Insan Mandiri.
- From there, I was determined. Wow, my
- talent is in communication, in what you
- might call...Social sciences. I like
- connecting and interacting with other
- people like that. Yeah.
- So, I'll go abroad; maybe abroad I will
- have more networking opportunities and
- that, what you might call...I can
- develop myself there.
- Why choose Al-Azhar?
- On one hand
- Cairo, Egypt, right?
- Yes. On one hand, I want to, what you
- might call...Learn more about the Quran
- and, what you might call...Simply put,
- religious sciences. Because for me,
- that is the foundation for living life.
- So, the intention after getting my
- bachelor's degree at Al-Azhar is to
- take something like political science,
- try out political science and
- things related to social issues.
- But do you already know which faculty
- or major you will enter there?
- Yes. The major hasn't been chosen yet,
- but the faculty is already decided.
- Faculty of Islamic Da'wah.
- Faculty of Da'wah, for sure.
- Yes.
- Right, I'll move on to Faris. Fariz Zen
- . So, if the previous one was an Insan
- Mandiri graduate, now this is a
- graduate of SOH, School of Human. Fariz
- Zen. Yes, Farizen has actually already
- registered for psychology at Mercu
- Buana.
- Yes.
- Why choose a psychology major?
- Because it started from me liking many
- fields of knowledge. Yeah.
- And finally, when I dug deeper into
- myself and entered the School of Human
- and met Mr. Munif, it was just perfect
- for what I was thinking. Oh, this is
- what I need to find. Meeting Mr. Munif.
- Mr. Munif spoke in front of the class,
- giving the Career Design material.
- Finally, that's when I searched for
- myself and where I should step forward.
- It turned out that after I dug deep and
- looked into it, thank God, I found that
- I am, God willing, well-suited for
- psychology.
- Oh, are you really interested in the
- world of psychology?
- Interested. Interested. Initially,
- there were many options related to
- social work and
- I entered psychology because of the
- many issues seen in small children,
- teenagers, even after
- marriage, wow
- after I looked into it, wow, this is
- the foundation.
- So it started from problems, then.
- Yes. I—I like looking for problems.
- Oh, you like looking for problems.
- I mean, "looking for problems" so that
- there are solutions in life. Uh, School
- of Human. Mr. Unif, if we look at the
- phrase "School of Human," it seems like
- it's strongly linked to psychology,
- right?
- Yes, that's correct. So, we have a
- vision for the school, School of Human
- Insan Mandiri,
- the vision is
- that graduates know who they really are
- by the time they finish high school. So
- , when they move on, hopefully they
- don't choose the wrong major, it’s as
- simple as that.
- That’s it, and you're right, Mas
- Angga, our children, perhaps because of
- their backgrounds, their various
- backgrounds,
- and what, uh, I have a term for it, "
- delayed discovery of talent and
- interest," a delay in discovering
- talent and interest. If we can share,
- abroad, Mas Angga, children have
- already found their talents in middle
- school. Imagine.
- They already know, right?
- They already know. Because of that,
- when they enter high school, it's
- already like vocational school; they're
- already specialized. So, their
- undergraduate studies are much deeper.
- In Indonesia, a lot of it remains
- buried, sir.
- Correct. And
- it even stays buried until they're old.
- Right. Then I will go to, uh, Dimas,
- right?
- Yes, that's right. Muhammad Imad Dimas.
- Muhammad Dimas.
- Oh, just Muhammad Dimas.
- Oh, I think Imad was just an addition
- earlier.
- This is an Insan Mandiri graduate as
- well, Ivan Ahot. So you were Ozi's
- classmate, then. Uh, was Ozi good at
- school?
- He was good, D.
- Thank God. Sometimes, as humans, we
- slip up too.
- Wow, honestly, I slip up sometimes too.
- But now you're both going to Al-Azhar
- together.
- Right, so you really are often together
- , then. H, are you not being influenced
- by Ozi to go to Al-Azhar, or do you
- have your own reason?
- For me, going to Al-Azhar was perhaps
- sparked by myself.
- H.
- It's just that, back then, I was a bit
- ...you know.
- I was a bit lost, so I finally decided
- I wanted to learn more about religion.
- Yes. Yes.
- Thank God, I found my interest there.
- Hm. Now, it just so happens there's an
- Al-Azhar program. So I thought, "Wow,
- if I'm interested, it would be great if
- I joined this." God willing, the
- religious studies there are well-known
- for being good. So, yeah, I decided, in
- my opinion, I'll just go there to
- deepen my faith so I don't go astray. "
- And
- what about your parents?
- My parents, thank God, support me, my
- father and mother. He he.
- Thank God, many people support me, my
- father, mother, and my siblings too.
- Before this, regarding searching for
- information about Al-Azhar, is it
- indeed facilitated by Insan Mandiri?
- Information about Al-Azhar,
- registration, or the services?
- Yes. Facilitated by Insan Mandiri;
- someone once told me, then my relatives
- also talked about what? Al-Azhar. Yeah.
- Then I heard people saying they want to
- go to Al-Azhar, through Insan Mandiri,
- I said. Well, I have been preparing by
- studying religion for a long time.
- What major do you plan to take there?
- God willing, the faculty of Islamic
- Dawah, same as R.
- Oh, the same one, right? There's the
- Sharia faculty, the Adab faculty. Oh,
- there are many.
- Yes, many. Maybe I want to enter the
- world of Dawah, so.
- Want to go together. Different majors.
- Different majors.
- God willing, later.
- Yes, Insan Mandiri truly provides
- maximum information for students who
- want to continue to Al-Azhar
- specifically.
- Yes. Alhamdulillah, Insan Mandiri has
- an MOU, Mas Angga, with Al-Azhar
- University.
- And the hope is that 12 th-grade
- students who are interested
- can be facilitated to get a scholarship
- there.
- Is there a selection process, Mr. Muni?
- Perhaps in other places, there has to
- be a strict selection.
- Yes. Usually, in other places, there is
- a selection.
- Correct. But because we have a direct
- MOU here.
- Oh, I see. So these children just need
- to be interested.
- Then, their Arabic language skills are
- what will be emphasized later.
- That is what is pursued because there
- is a possibility that upon arriving in
- Egypt, there will be language immersion
- first,
- Arabic first in Cairo as well, like
- that. Only later.
- After that, what I've heard is that
- Al-Azhar University is very indifferent
- to its students. Whether they attend or
- don't attend. Then suddenly they get
- hit by regulations that eventually lead
- to dismissal and so on. Yes, because of
- that, leadership—leading oneself on
- how to finish—is very important at
- Al-Azhar. Especially regarding Arabic
- language mastery.
- Correct. Correct.
- That Arabic language mastery. Yeah.
- So that might be it, Alhamdulillah.
- This year is the first year Insan
- Mandiri has established a scholarship
- program, and we ask for everyone's
- prayers, Mas Angga, that next year we
- won't just be at Al-Azhar, but we are
- also trying to hold MOUs with other
- universities abroad, choosing, God
- willing, great universities like that.
- Rozi, hal anta tatakallam bilughatil
- arabiyyah?
- A little.
- Still in the process.
- You have to be ready with Arabic, right
- ?
- Still in the learning process, still
- studying, because.
- When I was interested in going to
- Al-Azhar, I was already in 12th grade.
- Oh, it turns out there is.
- A path to Al-Azhar, so I took it with a
- friend; it's a golden opportunity that
- not everyone gets. Yeah.
- Yes. Because I like it, and I also want
- to deepen my knowledge of the Al-Qur'an
- . So, I moved on to Egypt.
- I see, I see. Do you really like
- psychology, Faris? You like it?
- Are there any psychologists you idolize
- or look up to?
- I usually look up to figures from the
- Muslim community.
- From the Muslim community, I see. Like
- Ustaz Abdul Somad. Basically, my love
- for psychology
- started when I
- listened to sermons.
- Sermons,
- yeah. It turns out many life problems
- stem from the religious side of life.
- Oh, turns out this person is lacking
- here. That's why this problem arises.
- Oh, then I studied further, what if I
- combined basic religious studies with
- modern psychology, which we call
- psychology today.
- God willing, from my studies in
- psychology and my studies in religious
- sciences, I will produce something
- useful like Baba Munif. Huh.
- In the field of education. In education
- .
- Yes.
- At the School of Human, what is the
- focus regarding interests and talents,
- Mr. Munip? Social sciences. Where do
- most of the graduates go these days,
- sir?
- Yes. At the School of Human, they are
- spread out because in our curriculum
- for designing goals, we don't state or
- repeat the old paradigm that success in
- college must be at a public university.
- If it's a public one, thank God, but if
- it's private, that's fine too. At the
- School of Human, the distribution is:
- first, some go straight to work, Angga.
- So, their work is supplemented with
- courses.
- Like my child, Takiah.
- She took a photography course with
- Darwis.
- But she has plans to build an event
- organizing business.
- Graduated high school, straight to work
- .
- Graduated high school, just like that.
- And their parents support it, their
- family supports it. So that's it.
- Yes.
- Some enter public universities.
- Huh.
- Some enter private ones like Faris here
- . For Faris, his first choice was
- psychology, second was psychology,
- third was psychology. If there was a
- fourth, it would be psychology. Yes, he
- was really set on it.
- So he was really determined to study
- psychology.
- Exactly. And I told him, go ahead,
- whether it's public or private tests,
- or any test, just put psychology for
- everything. H.
- So, thank God, Faris got into Mercu
- Buana.
- Yes. Yes.
- Something like that.
- And thirdly, there are students like
- Insan Mandiri.
- Who got scholarships abroad.
- Yes.
- Like my child, Ilham. He got a
- scholarship program in Germany.
- Hm.
- Yes. It's a 2-year program, like a
- diploma.
- A 2-year diploma. After that, he will
- get a pathway for his bachelor's degree
- .
- Oh.
- Over there. Over there.
- The whole process for Ilham, we all
- know his cognitive abilities are
- amazing, right? So, when he takes those
- tests, it's like looking at a slice of
- pizza, it's fine, just like pizza. So,
- for every child, whether at the School
- of Human or Insan Mandiri, we must
- ensure they know they have talents and
- that it's okay for them to be different
- . Now, the important thing, Mas Angga,
- is how their choice of major is aligned
- with their talents.
- Right, Mr. Muruf, we will continue in
- the second session, and in that session
- , we will be joined by Mr. Rozi's
- friends: Abdillah Merdika, Rais Akmaril
- , as well as Ardian Abdul Fattah and
- Defikiranto Akbari. Has Ilham arrived
- yet? Oh, not yet? So we will have them
- join us in the second session. Some
- will also continue their studies at the
- Indonesia University of Education in
- Bandung. There are also those heading
- to Al-Azhar together with Rozi. In the
- second session, we will continue with
- Iwan Nawat. Stay with us on Education
- Talk: Designing Aspirations. Where to
- after high school? Stay tuned to
- Berhasil TV. for the one Islam.