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0:17 Alhamdulillahabbil alamin wasalatu 0:20 wasalamu ala sayyidina Muhammad waa 0:23 alihibihi ajmain rbi zidni ilma 0:25 Allahumfani bimaamtani waimni mafani 0:29 warzuqni ni Ilman which is transmitted 0:32 from Jalan Masjid Silaturahim number 36 0:35 Kalimbanggis Cibur Bekasi, Silaturahim 0:38 radio and Rasil TV for Islam one. 0:42 Brothers and sisters who are blessed by 0:44 Allah subhanahu wa taala, how are you 0:45 this evening? Where are you? Our hope 0:51 and also our prayer that you are always 0:53 in good health. It is a pleasure 0:57 tonight, I Angga Aminudin accompanied 0:59 by Fahri as the operator, there is also 1:01 Neza as the cameraman. Iwan Awat we can 1:05 greet you again in the event of opening 1:08 eyes and ears. We are present in the 1:12 second week of July 2026. We are 1:15 entering the 12th day of July 2026 and 1:19 our event of opening eyes and ears with 1:23 Dr. Sarbini Abdul Murad. Alhamdulillah, 1:27 he has joined us via the Zoom 1:29 e-application. Peace be upon you, Dr. 1:32 Ben. 1:34 May peace be upon you, Mr. Angga, 1:37 how are you? Are you well, Doctor? 1:39 Alhamdulillah, you are in good health 1:42 amidst your busy schedule. 1:43 Alhamdulillah, we can return to our 1:45 live broadcast, Doctor. 1:46 Yes. Yes. I apologize if it's a bit 1:49 disturbing, this is not at home, but at 1:52 a hotel. 1:54 Yes. The important thing is to be safe, 1:57 Doctor, the BMBT broadcast. Because our 1:59 topic tonight is about the failure of 2:03 the Iran versus America ceasefire and 2:06 also the global impact. It is indeed 2:09 very dynamic. Even the updates are 2:12 constantly changing. Hey, Dr. Ben, from 2:16 this topic, who are we presenting as a 2:19 guest, Doctor, on BMBT tonight? 2:22 Masyaallah, this is a special meeting 2:25 for my old friend, 2:27 who is an expert in international 2:29 relations and is now a lecturer at 2:31 Paramadina. He is Dr. Wahid Rintwan. 2:35 Well, he 2:35 is here, everyone. 2:37 Peace be upon you. See you at PMBT, 2:41 which hopefully the listeners can be 2:44 critical and satisfied with what he 2:46 will say because he is very expert in 2:48 the field of national relations. 2:51 This is our special guest, Sir, it's 2:53 special now, Dr. Wahid Ridwan. Okay. PK 2:57 Institution. 2:59 Welcome, Dr. Wahid. Um, Dr. Ben, as an 3:04 opening, what is the background, Doc? 3:07 We are raising the topic of the failure 3:09 of the Iran-United States ceasefire and 3:11 its impact on the global, Doc? 3:16 Yes, Sir, this seems like a bit funny, 3:18 it seems like a bit funny, it means the 3:20 war has stopped. What does the war stop 3:23 mean? It seems like they 3:25 didn't think that this would have an 3:26 extraordinary global impact. So, 3:28 today's Iranian attack really shook the 3:30 world, right? Then in the end, there 3:34 will be an agreement in Switzerland, 3:36 meaning both parties agree to, uh, what 3:39 , a ceasefire for uh, 60 days. But 3:43 after a few days, Trump canceled it. So 3:47 , we really regret that this commitment 3:53 isn't strong enough to implement the 3:58 ceasefire. There are indeed things that 4:24 need to be agreed upon later. But, I 4:32 think in a ceasefire agreement, both 4:35 parties must truly, or... 5:02 Moreover, if we, as the media and also 5:05 as members of the public, only monitor 5:08 the news sources, mainstream news, and 5:12 information from social media that we 5:15 see are verified. We just see, Mr. 5:20 Wahid, that war, the displacement of 5:23 millions of people, and the increasing 5:25 number of civilian casualties. Not to 5:29 mention the widespread damage to 5:31 infrastructure. But what are these 5:35 tensions, their ups and downs? So, are 5:40 we really seeing these technical 5:42 negotiations still happening, or what 5:44 are the chances? And we also see this 5:48 fear of weapons, what is Trump's actual 5:52 display, and Iran is always on guard, 5:55 especially with the show of force 5:58 yesterday, with the funeral of the late 6:01 Ali Hini. How? Wow, that's 6:04 extraordinary. Iran's force, and its 6:06 officials, with their comments. But 6:09 America, with its character as a 6:12 superpower, remains the same. How do 6:14 you want your face to remain visible in 6:17 front of the world? How does Mr. Wahid 6:20 analyze all of this? Please. Okay, 6:23 thank you, Mr. Angga, Mr. Doctor. Peace 6:26 be upon you, listeners and viewers of 6:29 ARC TV and radio. Rabbisrohli sodri 6:32 waassirli amri wahlul uqdatan lisani 6:34 yafqahu qoli. It's more interesting if 6:40 we connect it, let's just call it war 6:44 first. The other side is not yet a war. 6:47 What I mean is that what's happening 6:50 now is America, Iran ee Israel is still 6:53 not a real war. eh, the context is not 6:56 that, the context is the term military 6:58 excursion. I can talk at length about 7:01 this term later. But what I meant 7:04 earlier is that what's more interesting 7:06 is let's look at the World Cup there. 7:09 Well, 7:09 so the World Cup is now there. Wow, 7:12 yes, 7:13 Ronaldo is already there, then 60%, wow 7:14 , there are all kinds of things like 7:16 that. Not to mention the design. But in 7:19 the history of skirmishes, or military 7:25 excursions, as I mentioned earlier, 7:28 this is a very interesting practice for 7:31 international relations academics. 7:35 Although it's sad, whatever the issue, 7:38 war has a negative impact on everyone, 7:41 on all nations, and on all aspects. 7:47 Humanity, especially the victims, is 7:50 the one who is most affected. So, 7:53 whatever the reasons, the US, Israel, 7:57 and Iran are a humanitarian tragedy, 8:08 which in this modern era is very, very 8:13 sad. But there is a very valuable 8:16 lesson. That lesson is that Iran, 8:21 despite all the conditions, situations, 8:24 and treatment, the treatment it has 8:27 been subjected to for decades, more 8:29 than 45 years, has still managed to 8:32 stand tall. Well, that's a valuable 8:36 lesson for all nations, including our 8:39 own. I don't know where the Indonesian 8:42 people can learn from it. It seems very 8:45 far away. In fact, if we look at our 8:50 civilization, we both have very deep 8:53 roots. But compared to Persian 8:56 civilization, it's quite far. Well, 8:59 regarding this developing situation, we 9:04 , as academics, are also out of your, 9:11 you know, logic, sir. When 9:14 outside, 9:16 there is an agreement. So, in 9:20 negotiations, achieving a conflict 9:23 resolution—eh, I'll give an example, 9:27 when Muhammadiyah was involved in 9:30 negotiations with Moro, it's 9:34 normal for one party to not sign, yes. 9:41 So, sometimes, for example, in this 9:43 context, yes, America doesn't sign, yes 9:46 , in a meeting, eh, then Iran signs the 9:49 document, right? They've met very often 9:53 , yes, especially in the Islamic 9:55 Century in Pakistan, eh, the last one 9:58 before Switzerland signed the two of 10:00 them was in Qatar in Doha. That means, 10:05 the last meeting, which Doctor Mas 10:08 mentioned earlier, eh, Gata Sejata 60 10:11 days of opening the Strait of Hormus, 10:14 eh, that was contained in an MOU 10:16 agreement, yes. It's still an MoU, eh, 10:20 that MoU is very, very fragile, yes. I 10:24 was in a previous TV interview, this is 10:26 still very far away. Don't think that 10:29 this is finished, that's just the MOU 10:31 that was signed. Except for example a 10:35 comprehensive agreement or something, a 10:38 cooperation agreement. Well, that's 10:42 just a high level. Yesterday it was 10:44 just an MOU, 10:46 so it's still very vulnerable. But what 10:49 that means at that stage is actually 10:51 when both of them, oh yes, and also 10:53 don't think when they were in the 10:55 Islamic Century, for example, then they 10:57 sat together, like, at one table, 10:59 eating together, right? I'm very, very 11:03 sure, even though I wasn't in the 11:04 Islamic Century, 11:06 they were in the Islamic Century, but 11:09 they weren't in the same room, maybe 11:11 not, I'm very sure they weren't in the 11:13 same hotel, 11:15 so there was representation, but they 11:17 didn't meet face to face, so the 11:19 confusing thing is that the mediators 11:21 were the 11:22 Pakistani prime minister and the 11:25 general. They went back and forth, and 11:29 that's normal in a negotiation. Well, 11:33 this war or military excursion is a bit 11:36 different. Unlike the Ukraine war, 11:39 Russia, for example, is clearly a war, 11:41 there's no room for negotiation, right? 11:45 Heeh. 11:46 And one interesting statement from 11:49 Putin. He said that if Russia were to 11:57 imagine what America did, what the 12:00 world would say, for example, is very 12:03 interesting. What does that mean? 12:06 Actually, Russia might think that 12:10 Ukraine is very easy, it's not 12:13 comparable at all. Uh, especially if 12:18 NATO withdraws from there. But, you 12:22 know, with diplomacy, uh, what are they 12:25 called, other channels, Russia's 12:28 national life will certainly become, 12:31 what do you call it, a very, very heavy 12:35 obstacle, what do you call it, that's 12:38 crossed by the world. That's why they 12:41 just let Ukraine do what they want, 12:42 what do they want, they're trained. But 12:44 for Iran and the US, it's different. 12:49 They're both equally strong. Uh, that's 12:53 a big miscalculation for America. A 12:55 very, very big miscalculation. They 12:58 think they can do that. And in many, uh 13:02 , what do you call it, um, 13:04 international news, Israel's request 13:08 for America to attack Iran has been 13:11 around for a long time, since Barack 13:15 Obama. But they never wanted to. Only 13:18 now, it's Trump. Well, Trump is that 13:22 kind of person, right? So he feels, 13:25 maybe we too will have that kind of 13:28 character, right? If, for example, that 13:32 person is already rich, ee, feels like 13:36 a public figure, ee, in a powerful 13:39 party, ee, in a hikimon state position, 13:43 ee, globally, eh. In the end, I think 13:47 we all will behave like Trump. 13:50 Just because we are outside. Well, the 13:54 worst thing is Israel, eh. So there 13:59 will be more stoves, eh, in quotation 14:02 marks, eh, stoves, including the last 14:06 one, eh. 14:08 Uh, so let's take it when the MU was 14:11 completed, it was all separate, eh, ee, 14:15 they were just representatives when 14:18 they were in Switzerland, but Trump had 14:22 already signed it in France, then eh, 14:25 Iran was also signed, just yesterday, 14:29 eh, and then they ee in Switzerland. 14:33 But two days after that, Israel 14:36 immediately attacked Lebanon. Even 14:39 though it had been mentioned, eh. And I 14:41 also commented before that. So the 30- 14:45 day or 2-week ceasefire, 2 weeks later, 14:48 30 days, yesterday was a 60-day 14:51 agreement. Well, when the 2-week one 14:54 was also commented on. So, what I mean 14:57 by that is the complete ceasefire. This 15:00 means Israel can't mess with Lebanon 15:02 either. Even though Iran hasn't 15:06 responded much to the Gaza issue. I 15:10 mean, because there's a separate 15:13 faction whose Gaza isn't as direct as 15:17 Hezbollah, the Lebanon-to-Iran 15:20 relationship is the result. So for them 15:25 , Iran still has to be a part of it. 15:30 Well, that's what America and Israel 15:32 never paid attention to, it's still 15:34 like that. Always planning, even though 15:37 they say, "Oh, no, the ceasefire, well, 15:40 the definition of a ceasefire is one 15:42 that truly stops, doesn't mean," Oh, no 15:44 , the ceasefire is only with Iran, so 15:46 we can't attack Iran. "No, what's 15:49 called a ceasefire is laying down 15:50 weapons, both of them laying down their 15:52 weapons. So, they can't take up arms 15:56 anywhere else, right? They, I mean 15:59 Israel and America, they translate," 16:01 Yes, only with Iran, but he can still 16:04 do it with Lebanon. "Well, no, that's 16:06 called a ceasefire, they have to lay 16:08 down their weapons. Well, that's what I 16:12 think, sir, the betrayals, the 16:14 betrayals that occurred, the violations 16:17 that occurred, that's what made this 16:25 situation continue to worsen. Uh, at 16:31 the beginning, I said that the 16:33 escalation hadn't actually happened yet 16:36 , but tensions continued to rise. Then 16:41 I said, okay, this escalation began to 16:44 be seen because Israel started 16:45 attacking Lebanon. But whatever, if we 16:50 may conclude, yes, myself, yes, as an 16:56 academic, from the beginning of the 16:59 conflict, yes, February 28th, yes, 17:02 actually, even the world, yes, or 17:05 people in quotation marks, yes, sane, 17:08 certainly understand, yes, Iran was on 17:11 the side that really had the upper hand 17:14 and it had the right to defend itself, 17:17 yes, because it was attacked first and 17:20 what was attacked was for the point of 17:23 civilization, yes, civilization as 17:27 parents who are indeed spiritual 17:30 readers, that's what Imam Khomeid Ali 17:32 Khomeini was attacked. Secondly, the 17:36 point where the generations, yes, the 17:39 successors, are those overnight schools 17:42 . From those two points, seen from any 17:47 perspective, there is no justification. 17:51 That's a big mistake, right? Including 17:56 in the realm of humanity. So that's 17:59 what Mas Mas Angga said. So now, people 18:02 are willing to twist anything to defend 18:06 America and Israel, it's not religious. 18:11 Although there are also Indonesian 18:13 figures who are so passionate in 18:14 defending them. 18:17 Are there any here? 18:20 There are always some. 18:20 But what Mr. Wahid sees is actually the 18:23 United States that is being sued the 18:26 most now. What the United States is 18:28 demanding the most from Iran, which 18:31 refuses to surrender, is 18:32 what the issue is actually about, it's 18:37 actually revolving around two important 18:40 things, even though the aftermath and 18:43 the series of events could be 18:45 fabricated. So, the first is nuclear, 18:50 which is the real issue, but it's 18:52 always brought up, and now Araksi, the 18:55 foreign minister, is incredibly 18:57 intelligent. Any narrative that comes 19:02 out of America and Israel is very 19:04 easily disproved in a matter of minutes 19:06 , and that's logical. Right. Yes. Yes, 19:11 yes. 19:11 Yes, that's absolutely logical. I never 19:14 need to reveal some of the things that 19:17 have been said, but always, uh, what 19:20 Araksi says is very logical. The second 19:26 is Hormus. The Strait of Hormus. So, 19:31 for whatever reason, international law, 19:34 in quotation marks, applies, the 19:36 management of the Strait of Hormus 19:39 remains Iran's. They can't, and Oman 19:43 can't. There's a gap there, which is 19:48 indeed, uh, what's the term, 19:50 international territory, but not the 19:53 one Iran has drawn a line for. Like 19:58 yesterday, when there was an American 20:00 aircraft carrier. It was far from 20:03 Hormus, 20:05 still in the strait 20:07 close to Oman, and they didn't dare 20:11 approach it. Well, for Iran, I'm sure 20:16 the Strait of Hormus has a far more 20:19 devastating impact than nuclear weapons 20:22 . 20:24 Yes. 20:25 So it's a very obvious weapon, a very, 20:29 very clear weapon. Uh, America and the 20:34 global world can't sue it. That's based 20:38 on the UN Clause, for example, the 20:41 United Nations, anything regarding 20:43 maritime boundaries from land, that 20:45 would still be Iran's right. And 20:49 because it has rights, yes, yes, like 20:51 we do with the Strait of Malacca. 20:54 Perhaps this Acehnese doctor, Dr. 20:57 Sarbini, knows a lot; Like the Strait 21:01 of Malacca, only Indonesia and Malaysia 21:05 regulate it. So, that's just the way we 21:11 are, and it's a very powerful weapon, 21:13 and Iran is actually very fair there. 21:17 Uh, and the reason America's recent 21:20 retaliation is because the first time, 21:23 if I'm not mistaken, an Indian ship was 21:27 in Turkey. Then the second time, the 21:31 ship was an Israeli-flagged ship, if 21:33 I'm not mistaken, too. Well, because of 21:36 that attack, America retaliated. It's 21:39 very easy to break through. We've 21:41 already agreed in the MOU that the 21:44 Strait of Hormuz will remain open to 21:47 everyone, except the United States and 21:50 Israel. But that's with certain permits 21:53 , right? That's fair; they agreed to 21:55 that. So, if others, for example, have 21:59 been warned, I think Iran certainly 22:02 didn't do that when it lowered its 22:05 ships, uh, without a reason. There must 22:10 be a reason, and every step Iran takes 22:14 is measured, I'm sure, always measured. 22:17 So, uh, what it has to do and why it 22:21 does it, there's 22:23 already a pattern, and that's a 22:26 strategy I think is good. I don't mean, 22:31 in this context, to see it as 22:34 burdensome on one side, and that's 22:37 scientifically the view. 22:42 So, what are the theories of 22:44 international relations, for example, 22:46 regarding conflict resolution? There's 22:50 the CPM theory of confidence-building 22:52 measures, what does that mean? What 22:54 needs to be built is trust. Where does 22:58 that confidence come from? It has to 22:59 come from both sides. If one party 23:02 doesn't trust the other, there will 23:04 always be suspicion and further 23:06 conflict, right? Well, negotiations 23:10 like that are very difficult. That's 23:14 why Pakistan is extraordinary, they 23:17 have a role in it, and even though 23:19 there are still attacks like this, I'm 23:22 sure their negotiation channels are 23:25 still open. Yes, I'm still sure they're 23:29 still communicating. Well, usually when 23:34 conflicts arise, the mediator is 23:39 usually the one who gets confused, 23:42 who is the Pakistani minister or the 23:44 general? 23:47 If you said earlier that this is just 23:50 an MOU, 23:52 that means there isn't a base agreement 23:54 yet, right, in negotiations. Well, it 23:59 can be used as an initial agreement, 24:01 but the commitment is low. What I mean 24:05 is that when the MoU has legal standing 24:12 , it's not yet valid. So, legally, both 24:18 the national and international laws of 24:21 each country don't apply to the MOU. So 24:26 , yes, then they usually, yes, this is 24:29 just an MoU, but actually, when the MoU 24:32 has been agreed upon, that's a very 24:34 good start. So, uh, that's why it's 24:40 limited to 60 days. Hopefully, within 24:44 those 60 days, there will be some of 24:47 the core developments that I mentioned 24:49 earlier, which will improve and improve 24:51 . But what happened two days after the 24:55 MOU, Israel attacked Lebanon, of course 24:58 , Iran was angry, why didn't you want 25:03 to guard it? It was already opened, 25:08 uh, some ships were already able to 25:10 pass through, but because of these 25:13 violations, it was closed, now it's 25:16 closed, the urpus letter is closed 25:18 again, and as Mas Angga said earlier, 25:21 if the hormus is closed, it does have a 25:24 global impact. But Trump knows that 25:31 because he's also involved in business 25:32 there. 25:33 Yes, like 25:34 that. He understands them, sir. That's 25:39 roughly how it is, Mas. 25:42 Yes. Does America also mean that it has 25:45 to discipline Israel, in this case, ee, 25:49 what are his actions in Gaza, ma, 25:53 already, right, Mas, the day after the 25:56 MOU, Trump ignored the questions, 26:00 well, he's a bit sensitive, well, this 26:03 is how I sometimes feel about Israel, 26:06 so he's a bit sensitive when it's said 26:08 that Israel informed him that he was 26:11 targeted, ee, assassination by Iran. 26:15 Then on social media it's abuzz because 26:17 there are already pictures like this, 26:19 it 26:19 could 26:20 also be that he himself created Israel. 26:24 God knows best. I don't want to analyze 26:26 that too far. But 26:29 the point is, as a civilized nation, 26:32 I'm very, very sure. Em, I've been to 26:39 Iraq twice. Masangga 26:43 passed by only 5 km when General 26:48 Sulaimani was assassinated. He was 26:51 assassinated deliberately, so 26:55 5 km from that place, if later Mas 26:56 Angga wants to go to Iraq, he still 26:58 passes by because next to it his car 27:00 was still being used as an ikcon. So 5 27:04 km from there is the Iraqi airport, 27:06 right? Baghdad, sorry, Baghdad airport 27:10 is the most, what do you call it, 27:13 tragedy, right? Iran doesn't hold a 27:17 grudge against that. Hey, 27:21 that was clearly a Mosad operation 27:25 and a 27:25 major violation. 27:28 Oh, that's right, sir. That was a guest 27:31 . But Iraq was still controlled by 27:34 America at that time. 27:36 Yes. 27:36 Now, it's a bit looser. The leadership 27:40 is a bit stronger. So, they were guests 27:42 in the country. But when we talk about 27:45 Iraq, especially the southern regions. 27:47 Karbala, Najaf, and those are already 27:49 like Iran. 27:51 So, those photos are all of Iranian 27:53 leaders. Sometimes we see this as Iran 27:56 or Iraq, really. But there are photos 27:59 of Iraqi shops too. Well, I consider 28:02 that as just one example. Mas Angga is 28:05 a highly respected general who doesn't 28:08 hold a grudge. 28:09 He. 28:10 But then, for example, that general 28:12 today is a great spiritual leader. I'm 28:15 sure he doesn't hold a grudge. So 28:16 there's no threat, they're a 28:21 civilized nation. So, in fact, that 28:25 becomes spiritual ammunition for Iran. 28:30 He, like 28:31 that. So, it's like us in the past 28:34 during the revolutionary wars, the 28:36 colonial wars. Ee, one dies, 1,000 grow 28:39 , right? That's roughly how it is. 28:42 1000. Yes. Yes. 28:43 Yes. So civilized nations have very 28:47 strong spiritual and psychological 28:51 values. It's not like one person gets 28:56 revenge for another. So I'm not the 29:00 same. Well, Trump seems sensitive. So 29:04 he feels that when someone feels 29:09 wronged and threatened, even a little 29:12 bit of it becomes 29:14 emotional, not emotional, I think. Is 29:18 that right? Just like last week, Mr. 29:21 Wahid, the Western media also 29:26 covered a lot about the funeral, the 29:28 funeral was 29:30 beyond expectations, even beyond the 29:32 expectations of the United States 29:34 itself. Wow, how big was the 29:37 emotion? So, America's predictions were 29:41 wrong, and what about Iran, sir? 29:47 Actually, what if it's just information 29:51 like that, that it will be respected 29:55 and will become an extraordinary icon, 30:00 and how the public will relate to it, I 30:04 think the American government and its 30:08 people understand that, right? 30:14 Ee but indeed if it is wrapped in the 30:20 issue of wisdom and what is it called 30:26 ee what is the term, yes belief, yes 30:33 leader, then it becomes a perception, 30:36 finally what appears is only what comes 30:39 out of the leader. S like oh how come 30:44 it's that much I'm sure the information 30:47 will be like that and maybe there will 30:49 be more Mas, 30:54 but how can I describe it, Americans, I 31:00 have an adopted mother there, yes I 31:03 lived there, so 31:05 Americans do feel great, 31:08 yes yes, 31:10 but actually their greatness is, yes, 31:13 that's all there is to it, 31:16 Americans except for the professors, 31:18 yes, their research goes out to Canada, 31:21 that's not the American society, 31:23 h 31:24 so I'm just confined in their country 31:26 because they think everything is there, 31:29 why should I go out like that. 31:31 Oh I see. 31:33 I am included in the thoughts for him, 31:36 yes America is great, yes. But he can't 31:40 see 31:42 what is really outside of America. 31:45 So it depends on the information forces 31:47 that influence them, yes information. 31:50 Yes. That's right. And Trump is 31:53 included in that category, right? What 31:56 kind of people are they? White people, 32:00 uh, that's the term, they think America 32:05 has everything, right? 32:09 Except for immigrants. Oh, yeah, like 32:16 Mayor Mamdani or Barack Obama, they 32:21 have different perspectives, they're 32:25 very broad. The 32:28 real people, that's what I think, 32:31 Mas Sangga. So, 32:35 the perspectives that emerge from that 32:37 kind of character, that's what I think 32:39 is less than beneficial. 32:41 Yes. I. 32:44 Well, before going to the doctor, it 32:46 was interesting at the beginning, 32:47 actually, 32:48 uh, it's related to this conflict 32:51 that's currently happening in America, 32:54 Mexico, and Canada. Even the media 32:58 mentioned it. So when Iran entered as a 33:02 concentration camp, it was called the 33:04 World Cup. It wasn't the World Cup, but 33:07 the 33:10 conflict was brought into the World Cup 33:13 by the war. So it's like changing the 33:16 World Cup, how come it's become a 33:17 purely sporting event now, how come it 33:19 looks so political, especially since 33:21 the FIFA president 33:22 can't do anything? We know those memes 33:27 when Trump called the FIFA president, 33:31 it was funny, so it's true, right? What 33:37 is that, Mr. Angangga? It means FIFA 33:41 was 4 years ago, so we can't directly 33:47 link it to the Iran-America war. 33:53 Because that means is it because of 33:55 this war that the situation or 33:58 phenomenon that has emerged now is like 34:01 that. So, that's sad. Iran, Iran is 34:05 staying in Mexico, but they are 34:07 competing in America. And yes, even 34:10 though it can still be crossed with the 34:11 border, but that's not true, it's not 34:13 fair either. But it means something 34:17 like that, or now, for example, Egypt 34:20 is being treated like that, yeah. 34:25 That wasn't the design from the start, 34:29 I mean, the 34:30 design was that the World Cup would be 34:33 held in Mexico, America, and Canada. 34:35 That was a decision 4 years ago. 34:38 Yeah. 34:38 Before this war, the 34:40 Iranian war was just yesterday, 34:43 February 2nd, 28th, right? So we 34:46 shouldn't link it in the context of 34:49 cause and effect, but rather that the 34:52 phenomenon emerged. Uh, it could be 34:57 because of this war phenomenon, maybe 35:00 that's it. What's clear is that the 35:05 treatment of the squad or whatever, uh, 35:08 the Iranian group, is definitely true. 35:12 And I also think that the Egyptian one 35:16 was engineered. 35:18 Hmm. 35:19 Or we follow the Mesos language, that 35:22 robbery, because it's very clear, and 35:25 then that makes me, as a person, not a 35:28 big football fan. But when it's the 35:31 World Cup, I really want to watch it. 35:32 But after that incident, I'm not 35:35 interested in watching it, even though 35:38 I watch 35:38 football on TV, because I'm 35:45 not interested in watching it because 35:48 of that. 35:49 Yeah, 35:51 that's how it is. Okay, we can go back 35:53 to the issue of war again. 35:55 Oh, I explained this a little earlier, 35:57 Mas Sangga. Hehe. 35:58 So I met with a former diplomat. Uh, so 36:02 the term war hasn't reached that stage 36:07 yet. Because if the role of war is to 36:10 have the American government obtain 36:12 mandatory congressional approval. 36:14 Yes. 36:15 The budget must be approved, what is 36:19 the term for that? How far is the 36:22 president's authority regulated? If it 36:26 were declared war, yes. But there was 36:31 none. I mean, the Trump administration 36:34 never received, never requested, and 36:36 never received approval from Congress. 36:38 Well, that's what I said earlier, it 36:40 was just a military excursion. 36:44 The problem is, a military excursion is 36:47 usually only for 2, 3 weeks, or 1 month 36:49 . That's what happened in Venezuela 36:51 yesterday. Still in the context of this 36:54 PR, the kidnapping of President Maduro 36:55 was a military excursion, and that was 36:57 actually a 36:59 mission carried out in Venezuela. Tram 37:02 thought it could be carried out in Iran 37:05 . 37:06 He was 37:08 completely wrong. 37:09 Yes, 37:10 yes, not at all, 37:13 and to this day it is still ongoing and 37:15 I think it will be long, 37:18 I think long. Okay, Mr. Wahid. I will 37:21 go to Dr. Band. Dr. Band is a military 37:24 exposure, according to Mr. W. 37:27 Does Iran also consider it, eh, I mean, 37:30 Israel also considers it that way? What 37:33 about D? 37:35 There are indeed international 37:37 regulations, as mentioned by Mr. Wahid 37:39 earlier. But the reality of this issue 37:42 isn't like that. So, okay, it's a 37:44 matter of terminology, right? But war 37:47 is still, as many people define it: 37:50 there's massacre, then there's bombing, 37:52 destruction, and all sorts of things. 37:57 So, what Wahid said earlier is true, 37:59 that those are terms—perhaps 38:00 international terms, national 38:02 conversion—what all countries must do 38:04 when they are about to go to war, for 38:06 example. Well, but today, we see, 38:10 Masangga, that America is incapable of 38:13 implementing what has been agreed upon. 38:17 Indeed, from the beginning, we saw that 38:19 the points of this agreement were very 38:21 detrimental to America. It was harsh 38:23 and embarrassing for America. So, from 38:27 the beginning, I said that I wasn't 38:29 sure America would follow the agreement 38:31 . Because this is because it's being 38:35 checked, checked, because the economic 38:37 situation needs to be relaxed 38:39 immediately, so what Trump is doing is 38:41 peace. But maybe he might, maybe we 38:44 have to go to war again. J indeed, we 38:47 cannot escape these Zionist influences. 38:52 So, we see how, for example, Trump and 38:55 Oil are fighting over land. They have 38:59 different ways of handling the Iran 39:01 issue. This means that Benjamin says 39:05 the war must continue, but Trump says 39:07 peace or Israel must follow suit. But 39:12 the reality is that the Zionist forces 39:14 on Capitol Hill or, for example, in the 39:17 White House, cannot be denied that 39:19 America must go to war. 39:22 They must go to war without regard for, 39:24 for example, the economic situation of 39:25 the American people. So, I see there is 39:28 egoism, Israeli egoism that doesn't 39:30 care, doesn't care about the fate of 39:32 the American people. Maybe from the 39:34 outside, we see America as great. But 39:36 in reality, we see that the American 39:38 people today are not the American 39:39 people of the past. They are also 39:42 experiencing economic problems, an 39:44 economic crisis, especially with rising 39:46 oil prices. That also puts pressure on 39:49 their economic lives. As I said at the 39:52 beginning, Masangga, how long will this 39:54 last? This means, for example, Saudi 39:58 Arabia has trusted America, so Saudi 40:01 Arabia has prohibited the use of 40:04 American bases, their bases, to be able 40:07 to deploy American troops or attack 40:10 Iran, for example. But if we look at 40:15 Kuwait, for example, it is a country 40:18 that cannot refuse because it has 40:20 historically had a large debt of 40:22 gratitude to 40:24 America or Bahrain as the center of 40:27 what is the base of the American Fifth 40:30 Fleet. It is also very weak in this 40:33 context because the composition between 40:35 Shia and Muslim is unequal. The 40:38 government is Sunni, the people are 40:39 Shia. So if they resist, it is not 40:42 certain that their didasti will survive 40:44 . So, I see, Mr. Ringga, that there is 40:47 a political landscape that will change. 40:50 So, if we look at the media today, many 40:53 American tankers or fighter jets are 40:55 being moved or shifted to Benengurion 40:57 to Israel. This is a response from 41:01 countries that they do not want their 41:03 countries to be used, uh, as a base, uh 41:06 , to attack, uh, Iran. That's not it, 41:08 so I see that this, this must exist, 41:10 there must be something, there must be 41:12 a conclusion, you know. What do you 41:14 want, want. 41:15 Yes, what do you want, uh 41:21 hmm if you also want to see the broad 41:23 impact, uh Dr. And recently, after two 41:26 decades of leading the government in 41:28 Gaza, Hamas expressed its intention to 41:31 hand over management of the region to a 41:34 temporary ministry supported by America 41:36 . There is also a national community 41:39 for Gaza, right? Uh, even though there 41:42 is, uh, there is no promise of 41:44 disarmament as demanded by uh Israel 41:46 and also the United States. Is this one 41:50 of the broad impacts, Doctor Band, of 41:53 the conflict, uh, Iran versus America? 41:58 But I see these as two different things 42:00 , Mas Angga. Indeed, 42:02 uh, what is the transfer of power, what 42:04 is the term, the Gaza committees, the 42:06 Gaza administration 42:09 to 42:10 what, uh, Hamas is handing over power. 42:14 Yes, that is part of the 20-point 42:16 agreement, Mas Angga. So 42:19 yes, these are things that have been 42:21 agreed upon and have nothing to do with 42:24 the war between Iran and America. 42:28 They have different stories, and we can 42:32 discuss this later, because, 42:37 even though there has been a handover 42:38 of power, the reality on the ground is 42:40 that the massacre continues, and 42:44 aid is still being blocked, and so on, 42:46 so this story is still long. Moreover, 42:50 we see Lebanon today, so Sengkom has 42:52 sent a review team to Lebanon for the 42:55 deployment of American troops, they 42:58 say, to guarantee or ensure that Israel 43:00 withdraws from the south. But I'm not 43:02 sure about that. We're not stupid. The 43:05 world is not stupid. So the dispatch of 43:07 American teams, followed by American 43:10 troops from Bahrain, is a form of 43:12 control of the south, to ensure that 43:15 the south is legally controlled by 43:17 Lebanese troops. There may be a bit of 43:21 a different story, although there is 43:23 still overlap with the trilateral 43:24 agreement between eh and America. 43:30 Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. I'll go to Mr. 43:34 Wahid. E, Mr. Wahid, is Iran that 43:37 concerned about Palestine, especially 43:40 Gaza? When it's in conflict with Israel 43:43 and America brings up the name 43:45 Palestine and Gaza, what is it really 43:47 like for Iran, Sir? Ee I think when we 43:53 talk about countries, we should put 43:55 aside ideology for a bit. Hey, 43:59 especially if it's ideology. For me, 44:03 countries, especially those in the 44:05 Middle East, eh, we include Iran as 44:07 part of the Middle East, even though 44:09 it's not actually that. He's in Persia, 44:12 meaning this country is in Persia. Um, 44:16 Iran is the only one out of 22 Arab 44:22 countries, plus others are allowed. I 44:26 think the one with the extraordinary 44:29 commitment to the Palestinian struggle 44:32 is Iraq. I'm sure Saudi Arabia has 44:34 helped a lot, we understand, maybe even 44:36 though it's not widely exposed. Saudi 44:39 Arabia has helped a lot financially. 44:41 It's not something that should be 44:43 considered a no-no. 44:45 Yes. 44:45 But Iran is all out, right? However, 44:52 from the state side, as I mentioned 44:54 earlier, from the ideological side, I 44:56 followed them. I was invited to the 44:59 Palestinian independence conference in 45:05 Johannesburg, 45:06 South Africa, in 2023. 45:09 Yes. 45:10 I went there, and I was a bit surprised 45:14 but amazed. So, the Palestinian 45:20 struggle by this group, hey, it's 45:25 almost purely ideological. 45:30 There were socialists there, there were 45:32 even communists. 45:33 Yes, 45:34 in Johannesburg, it's still there now. 45:37 And there are Orthodox Jews who really 45:39 don't like Zionists. 45:40 Hmm. 45:41 They gathered there, and the movement 45:43 was massive. The first time it was 45:46 brought to the ICC was after 45:48 Johannesburg. Then there was Judge 45:54 Netanyahu's decision as a war criminal. 46:00 That was the first time I joined them, 46:03 and then in Karbala, I was also invited 46:05 by them twice to camp, so Iran's 46:07 commitment was extraordinary. only for 46:11 those related to this war, they are 46:13 still waiting, but the commitment has 46:16 been announced, yes, what I mean by 46:19 this is that there are two different 46:21 wars, yes, 46:24 one is indeed America instigated by 46:26 Israel with Iran 46:28 H 46:29 yes, when I talk about America, it's 46:32 not from America, but from Bahrain, 46:35 Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia, 46:37 at American bases, I mean, that's 46:41 America. 46:43 He didn't attack from his country, 46:45 but he attacked from Bahrain, 46:47 from White, 46:50 from his satellites. 46:52 Yes. So the one from the satellite 46:55 province was the 46:57 American war or the American military 47:00 excursion, 47:02 Iran. While the other is Palestine or 47:06 Hamas, this was with Israel and Israel 47:09 with Lebanon. 47:12 H. 47:13 So those are two, what are the terms? 47:16 Two different things. 47:18 H. 47:19 But Iran actually doesn't want him to 47:22 be alone now, he also attacked Tel Aviv 47:25 several times yesterday. 47:28 Yes. But when the first time in 47:32 retaliation on February 28, the 47:34 American and Iran were attacked at two 47:36 points, namely Imam Khomeini and the 47:39 Minep school, what was the response? 47:42 The ones that were retaliated against 47:44 were the American bases, not in Israel, 47:46 not in Tel Afif. He attacked Bahrain 47:50 directly because he knew where the 47:53 attacks on Iran originated, right? Then 47:58 from Kuwait, uh, from Saudi Arabia. 48:03 Then where else did it come from? There 48:06 were six bases, if I'm not mistaken, 48:08 all around those. Well, but then 48:10 because Israel was involved, Iran 48:13 attacked Haifa and 48:14 then attacked Tel Afif. Now it's indeed 48:17 Afif because, 48:20 simply put, the trigger is Israel, fake 48:23 news and all that. Well, it's not 48:27 included in the MOU yet, right? We all 48:32 don't know. I'm not sure about the 45 48:35 points, or initially it was only 7, 5, 48:39 7, then they said 14, sorry, 45, 48:42 14 points, no one knows, 48:45 yes, 48:47 only Trump and Mujtaba know about it, 48:52 and it won't be published, it 48:54 won't be published, so what's 48:57 circulating is, maybe, maybe, maybe, 49:00 maybe, but 49:01 formally, no one knows. So, is that 49:04 what I mean, is there a Palestinian 49:06 point there? But it was also conveyed 49:10 that Araksi's commitment to, eh, 49:12 Palestinian independence remains a 49:16 priority for Iran's struggle, 49:19 Masangga. So I'm very confident, even 49:23 though it can't be directly linked to, 49:26 eh, the current situation. But I think, 49:29 especially if we're talking about this, 49:33 Mas. 49:34 Yes. 49:35 eh, we're talking about Karbala Najab, 49:38 right? Basically, the southern parts 49:41 that are close to Iran and Palestine 49:43 are almost 100% 49:47 supportive of Palestine. 49:51 W, that's right, they are. H, 49:54 but these are all Shia groups, 49:58 almost the majority. There are Sunnis 50:00 too, but they are the majority. That's 50:04 roughly the situation, Mas. So, eh, if 50:06 I were asked which country's commitment 50:09 , in the context of the countries in 50:11 the Arabian Peninsula, is the most 50:13 supportive of Palestine, I would say 50:15 Iran. 50:16 Hul. 50:18 Okay. This is a question that I, eh, 50:22 has been asked by many people, right? 50:27 eh, what are Indonesia's diplomatic 50:30 steps now, eh, Mr. Wahid, why has it 50:33 changed so much? It's changed so much. 50:38 There's fear in the current position. 50:41 Afraid of Trump, afraid of, is that 50:43 true? Is that true? This is indeed what 50:50 diplomacy is, it's inherent in the 50:53 individual. Hey, 50:56 even though we have a platform, yes, 51:00 free and active, then uh, non-aligned, 51:04 yeah. But when it's in the hands of 51:10 someone, uh, the leader, it depends on 51:13 how the leader, uh, implements it. But 51:19 indeed, if I look at our foreign policy 51:24 in this era, uh, the government tends 51:30 to be Masangga, yeah, 51:34 because the people are very different. 51:37 As for the government, it's a bit 51:39 unknown, I'm a bit distant, to put it 51:41 simply. So it's very unfortunate. But 51:47 the international community knows this 51:49 kind of thing. Hehe. 51:51 So I'm not really 51:55 curious, not really worried, but I 51:57 don't really apply it. Where are the 52:02 people, where is the government, and 52:05 how do both, uh, let's say, support 52:08 each other, huh? So I just regret it. 52:14 Why aren't those voices united? Uh, 52:18 where are the people? Because they say 52:20 governments are for the people, the 52:22 people support the government. um, in 52:27 America, for example, if there are 52:30 changes or differences, uh, uh, in what 52:34 they call the state police, but the 52:37 voice of the people really resonates in 52:41 their congress. So even if we lose, for 52:48 example, in terms of action and 52:51 perception, the White House government, 52:54 for example, but the voice of Congress 52:57 still echoes if there is a difference. 53:02 Yes. 53:03 Well, if it's not like that here, 53:05 that's unfortunate. 53:07 So in the end, the 53:10 international community knows. That's 53:13 why Iran, for example, when the 53:15 Indonesian people were buried yesterday 53:17 , 53:19 was in our hearts because they know 53:21 what the government is like. 53:24 Yes, yes, yes. 53:27 Okay, Doctor B, before I greet the 53:29 listeners, the international community 53:31 knows, Doc, what Indonesia is like, 53:33 what its people are like, and what its 53:36 leaders are like. But for the matter of 53:41 attention. Well, it seems like there 53:44 must be, eh, a clear bias, according to 53:46 Doctor B, maintained by Indonesia, what 53:49 is it, Doc? 53:51 Yes, because Sangga, constitutionally, 53:54 we are free and active. 53:56 Then our relationship with Iran is not 53:58 a new relationship, but a very old 54:00 relationship. 54:02 We are both in the same place. Then 54:03 there are many things that we have in 54:06 common with Iran, as a Muslim country, 54:08 right? Well, actually, previously, Mr. 54:12 President, bilateral relations and 54:15 political relations were always one-way 54:18 , always one-way, right? But now, 54:22 through changes, our foreign policy is 54:25 now a policy of free land picking, 54:27 active land picking, right? It's not 54:31 100%free, you know. That means there's 54:34 a shift. 54:35 Well, we also see how, for example, 54:37 when people come home today, for 54:39 example, they just came to Iran, right, 54:41 when they were in I, they just arrived, 54:43 right? 54:44 So, 54:45 I see this, sir, there is indeed 54:47 uncertainty, I see that uncertainty, 54:49 how, after all, this KL is in the hands 54:52 of the government, meaning RI1, right? 54:55 So when Erik 1, for example, does not 54:58 carry out aggressiveness or does he do 55:00 more or less, does not criticize, for 55:02 example, America when America violates 55:05 international law by attacking Iran. So 55:09 Kimd can't possibly submit to criticize 55:11 America because 55:15 eh how P president ee the president's 55:20 directives are very decisive outside 55:25 Indonesia, it's okay not to say that 55:29 Indonesia is a country that adheres to 55:35 active politics as conveyed by Mrs. 55:39 Hatta in 1948. Well, that's why we see 55:46 how people have gone home and then our 55:50 foreign minister and the chairman of 55:55 the MPR come. Yes. Yes. So there's no 56:18 benefit, no no no, ... 56:21 And here we have Mr. Budi who has 56:23 expressed his attention, listening to 56:24 the broadcast tonight. Likewise, there 56:27 is Mrs. Mani in Bekasi. Sending her 56:29 WhatsApp. Peace be upon you. 56:32 Alhamdulillah, God willing, I always 56:34 listen to Rasil broadcasts, especially 56:37 now the program to open my eyes and 56:39 ears. Jazakumullahu khair to the 56:41 broadcasters, crew, and all the 56:43 speakers, may they always be given good 56:45 health. There is also Mrs. Ani Cudaifah 56:48 . Bismillah. Listening to the broadcast 56:51 on Radio Silaturahim AM 720 tonight. 56:55 Question from Mr. Amsir Tabrani in 56:58 Kemang, Jakarta. Peace be upon you. I 57:03 want to ask two speakers. 57:05 Are the United States and Israel immune 57:08 to the law? Yes, why does the UN seem 57:12 to have no meaning at all. In my 57:15 opinion, it would be better if the UN 57:16 were dissolved. If it has no role, what 57:18 is the point? Jazakallah khair jaza. 57:21 Okay, I'll go to Mr. Idk first. From 57:25 Mr. Amir Tabrani, eh, it's 57:32 been a long time, sir. Is 57:34 that or is it related to the phenomenon 57:37 and conditions of war today? It's been 57:40 a long time. Uh, but there's one good 57:43 thing, ee, that I conveyed to the 57:46 questioner, ee, and to the viewers and 57:49 listeners from the two lectures that 57:52 were delivered at our university by Mr. 57:55 SBI and Mr. ee Hasan Wirayuda, 57:59 but it was a bit difficult to accept, 58:01 yes, but that's what 58:03 should have been then and what has 58:07 happened until today, namely the UN is 58:11 a big umbrella, yes. So this world 58:14 really needs a BBB whatever the 58:16 situation. Well, the big umbrella, said 58:21 Mr. SBY and Mr. Wirayuda, is no longer 58:23 full of holes, but it has many holes. 58:26 There are 58:28 already many umbrellas. If someone gets 58:30 caught in the rain, they will 58:32 definitely get wet and dizzy. But the 58:35 umbrella must still develop. 58:39 H. Well, so, yes, this is perhaps a 58:41 diplomatic answer, but the situation is 58:43 like that. I can answer something else. 58:47 Look, sir, this is just logic. 58:50 So, for example, if we say, eh, 58:51 disbanding the five who have veto power 58:53 is not that easy. 58:55 Because those five countries actually 58:57 contribute significantly to UN funding. 59:00 Similarly, why is the ASEAN secretariat 59:02 located in Jakarta? Because during Pak 59:06 Harto's time, he was respected, and 59:08 Indonesia was the one who contributed 59:10 most to ASEAN. 59:14 Why is the UN headquarters, or what's 59:15 called the PBP office, located in New 59:17 York? Well, America is the 59:21 biggest, and it funds it. 59:23 So, it's not as easy as using academic 59:25 logic. It's not, it's not worth it. Is 59:32 there a country that can have five veto 59:34 powers, even though all the others 59:36 agree? That's the system, sir. We can 59:43 say it's unfair, but that's the 59:45 consensus from the beginning of the 59:47 UN's founding. And it was indeed very 59:51 unfair when all the countries, 59:53 including Palestine, were included in 59:57 UNESCO, almost 145 of the 193 BBP 1:00:01 members. But when one country was 1:00:03 vetoed, it didn't get through. 1:00:04 Yes. Yes. So, yes, but that's the 1:00:08 system. So, there have been reforms to 1:00:11 the judiciary, reforms to the UN, and 1:00:14 so on, but it's not as easy as what I 1:00:17 just said, following logic, but because 1:00:20 there are other aspects. So aspects 1:00:24 including funding and everything, 1:00:29 that's also why the UN has its current 1:00:34 system. That's roughly the answer, 1:00:38 Masangga. 1:00:38 Okay, Doctor Ben, there's an addition, 1:00:40 Doctor. Well, Doctor Ben is realistic 1:00:43 logic. Yes, it's true that many people 1:00:49 are asking for reforms. But if the 1:00:53 dissolution is too extreme, if the 1:00:55 dissolution is indeed there are some 1:00:56 reforms requested. For example, for 1:00:59 example, China, or India's entry as a 1:01:01 member of the Security Council, for 1:01:04 example, 1:01:05 or for example, representing Africa, 1:01:07 for example, meaning that now five of 1:01:10 them are in charge, as Dr. Bait said 1:01:12 earlier, if for example, only America, 1:01:14 for example, like, for example, the 1:01:16 attack on Rapah, for example, 1:01:19 Rapah, when America is finished, so 1:01:22 indeed, as Wahid said earlier, it's not 1:01:25 fair, it's not unfair, but how can we 1:01:28 change this, and Bung Karno, because he 1:01:31 was so upset, he left Geneva with him, 1:01:35 but that means the request to disband 1:01:38 is not a new story, it's been a long 1:01:40 time, ee, we've been disappointed with 1:01:43 the UN. So, what Bung Karno did was the 1:01:46 same as the question earlier, namely a 1:01:48 very deep disappointment with the 1:01:50 actions of the BBB, which were indeed 1:01:52 not beneficial, yes, beneficial to 1:01:53 certain countries. But that's it, sir, 1:01:57 but after going back in and out, it 1:01:58 finally happened when the doctor. 1:02:00 Yes, 1:02:01 now he is westernizing the UN, after 1:02:03 that he re-entered until today, 1:02:05 Indonesia is a member of the UN. Yes. 1:02:08 Yes. 1:02:10 Yes, sir. Because once Indonesia left, 1:02:11 it declared its withdrawal from the PBP 1:02:13 . 1:02:13 Yes. I 1:02:14 but after that it re-entered until 1:02:15 today. 1:02:20 Alright. Next, there's Mrs. Maryati in 1:02:23 Sukabumi. Peace be upon you, peace be 1:02:25 upon you. We in Sukabumi are listening. 1:02:28 Thank you for tonight's BMBT program 1:02:30 with your very informative resource 1:02:33 person. Thank you for the stories, Mr. 1:02:36 Wahid. Free Palestine and we have high 1:02:39 hopes for Iran. Is it possible? Wow, 1:02:41 question mark. Okay, Mr. Wahid. How 1:02:43 about it, sir? Uh, if we're talking 1:02:48 about material logic, yes, meaning 1:02:52 logic in tangible calculations. As long 1:02:59 as Wu, America and Israel are like this 1:03:07 , they will be tough, right? But that 1:03:10 doesn't mean it's impossible, but if 1:03:13 there's another movement, for example, 1:03:17 politically, it's 1:03:19 not material. The material I meant 1:03:21 earlier is weaponry, 1:03:23 yes, weaponry and the Zionist lobby. 1:03:28 But if there's a political decision, 1:03:32 for example, Israel was founded in 1948 1:03:36 , which was indeed a grant from England 1:03:40 . If England, for example, said," Oh 1:03:44 yeah, I was wrong, we were wrong. "As 1:03:48 the Australians say, they apologized to 1:03:52 Burizin, yes, or several other 1:03:55 countries, that means there's a truly 1:03:58 substantial global political decision. 1:04:05 What will it become? The bullets for 1:04:11 the infapals will soon be my absolute 1:04:16 belief, yes, it will definitely be 1:04:19 independent. 1:04:20 H, 1:04:21 let's just wait. I'm with many vaccines 1:04:29 , including the one I recently had with 1:04:31 friends called GCRB, this is the global 1:04:34 Campaign to return to Palestine. 1:04:38 So the global campaign to return to 1:04:40 Palestine. These friends, eh, their 1:04:43 office is in Beirut, but these friends, 1:04:46 eh, are Iranian proxies. Uh, but this 1:04:50 and that are filled with leftists, 1:04:53 socialists, communists, 1:04:55 whatever. 1:04:56 Shia is the majority, Sunni, many. I am 1:04:59 Sunni, yes, I 1:05:00 represent Muhammadiyah Indonesia. 1:05:04 But I think Iran is the one on the 1:05:08 frontline, both in terms of the state 1:05:12 and society. Indonesia has an 1:05:18 extraordinary society. Especially under 1:05:22 the doctor, our efforts have been 1:05:23 extraordinary. 1:05:25 Yes. Yes. 1:05:26 But we are not politically strong, yes. 1:05:32 So I also sometimes have a little 1:05:34 self-criticism. We can demonstrate with 1:05:36 millions of people, yes. But there must 1:05:38 also be financial support or something 1:05:41 that needs to be donated. If only 1:05:44 gathering millions of people is not 1:05:45 much, how can it not have a big impact 1:05:50 on Palestinian independence? Like that. 1:05:55 But the state has a role to play in 1:05:57 that, yes. Or how, *eh whatever it is*, 1:06:01 sir. The President said we are spot*to* 1:06:05 state, yes, for the time being that's 1:06:07 okay. But I wrote in a book, who was 1:06:11 this commanded by, Mas eh from the MUI, 1:06:14 I wrote one state solution, that is the 1:06:18 *one state*solution. 1:06:20 Prof. Sudaroto, yes, who wrote that, 1:06:22 yes, 1:06:24 if there are many authors, I wrote one 1:06:27 there and it was titled the Third 1:06:29 Nakbah, meaning the attack on Al-Aqsa 1:06:32 Hurricane on 1:06:34 October 27, eh, October 7, 2023, I call 1:06:38 it the third Nakbah, yes. But that's 1:06:42 just like this, yes, as a symbol. But 1:06:46 it was really well designed, yes, the 1:06:49 attack, ee, and a solution for a 1:06:51 Palestinian state. So the form is 1:06:54 CMostate, the term is ee, ee, 1:06:56 cosmopolitan, cosmopolitan state. 1:07:00 So what about Palestine, that later 1:07:02 there will be officials from Israel 1:07:04 from this, please let me. But that 1:07:06 state is called the Palestinian state. 1:07:09 So the state of Israel doesn't exist. 1:07:12 Previously, the only state was 1:07:13 Palestine. Well, that's kind of utopian 1:07:17 . But we all don't know. 1:07:20 Yes. 1:07:21 That's God's design, yes. What is the 1:07:23 best, ee, in my capacity as an academic 1:07:26 , I wrote something like that, 1:07:29 a solution for a Palestinian state. 1:07:33 Hm. Okay, next I will go to WhatsApp 1:07:37 from Mr. Sentosa at 0896505. That's all 1:07:43 . Peace be upon you. Dr. Ben, could you 1:07:48 please provide information on how the 1:07:51 current control of resources and the 1:07:54 needs of the people in Gaza is? Because 1:07:59 world issues seem to have forgotten 1:08:02 them. How is it, Dr. Ben? Okay. 1:08:06 Yes, indeed, there hasn't been any 1:08:07 significant change, there 1:08:09 hasn't been any change in 1:08:11 the situation in Gaza, meaning that 1:08:13 Israel's genocidal efforts continue. 1:08:16 For example, shootings, bombings, and 1:08:19 then the blockade of humanitarian 1:08:21 corridors, preventing aid from entering 1:08:23 . This is also part of genocide. 1:08:27 Genocide isn't just killing with 1:08:29 bullets; withholding aid is also part 1:08:31 of genocide. And this continues even 1:08:34 though there is a transitional 1:08:36 committee, the 1:08:38 Gaza administration, but the story is 1:08:40 still going on. In fact, we're meeting 1:08:43 at this hotel, so we're discussing what 1:08:46 Israel wants, right? Handing over 1:08:50 power, or Hamas, has been handed over 1:08:51 to Israel, meaning it's over. So now my 1:08:54 task is to open up humanitarian 1:08:56 corridors so that these medicines and 1:08:59 food can 1:09:01 enter and become basic necessities for 1:09:03 the people of Gaza, and this hasn't 1:09:05 been done. So, it remains the same as 1:09:08 yesterday, the conditions remain and 1:09:10 are increasingly concerning, today it 1:09:13 is even more concerning because now, 1:09:15 for example, how the shift of residents 1:09:17 from north to south and that is near 1:09:20 the coast. Imagine those 2 million 1:09:23 people being pushed south for what? So 1:09:26 that they can get out of Gaza. So, so 1:09:30 there is still a long task, ee, we can 1:09:32 help Gaza so that they can find peace, 1:09:34 happiness like we feel today. 1:09:39 Hmm. Okay, there is Mrs. Tini conveying 1:09:42 her WhatsApp. Asalamualaikum 1:09:44 warahmatullahi wabarakatuh, Kang Angga 1:09:46 and also Mr. Dr. eh Wahid Ridwan and 1:09:48 also Dr. Ben. My greetings to Mr. Amsir 1:09:52 Tabrani. Never mind America and Israel, 1:09:54 Sir, who are above the law. Many 1:09:57 officials in Indonesia are also above 1:09:59 the law. Yes, okay. Yes, but next, 1:10:04 there is Mr. Ahmad in Tapos Depok. 1:10:09 Asalamualaikum warahmatullahi 1:10:10 wabarakatuh. To the speakers, who 1:10:14 actually benefits and loses from the 1:10:18 ongoing conflict between America, 1:10:21 Israel, and Iran? Why are China and 1:10:26 Russia also in a gray area, and the US 1:10:29 is also concerned about its energy? 1:10:33 Okay, how should I address Mr. Wahid 1:10:35 first? In a war situation, no one 1:10:43 benefits, no one, 1:10:46 including the winner. I've always 1:10:50 believed that in the context of this 1:10:55 ongoing war, Iran is the one we can 1:10:59 call the winner. But does that then 1:11:04 answer happiness, joy, and so on? I 1:11:09 don't think so, sir. 1:11:11 Because Iran also has many victims. I 1:11:14 think over 6,000. Meanwhile, America 1:11:18 only announced 19 soldiers. And every 1:11:23 time Iran retaliates, its retaliatory 1:11:26 attacks never target civilians. It was 1:11:31 criticized when it attacked a hotel in 1:11:34 Kuwait and in Saudi Arabia, it was 1:11:36 criticized that it was a civilian 1:11:39 location. Iran said," But I didn't kill 1:11:42 civilians. I was looking for, or the 1:11:45 missiles were looking for, American 1:11:47 soldiers in that hotel, "like that. 1:11:49 H. 1:11:50 So, the meaning is very measurable, 1:11:52 right? Meanwhile, on the Iranian side, 1:11:55 there were many civilian casualties, 1:11:57 many public facilities. So, even though 1:12:01 I consider them the victors, there was 1:12:03 also a lot of damage. So, it means that 1:12:07 no one benefited from the situation, in 1:12:09 fact, the losses were far greater, and 1:12:11 the greatest loss was humanitarian. So, 1:12:16 humanity is truly torn apart in this 1:12:19 modern age by this war. So, it's 1:12:24 because of individuals like these 1:12:27 traumatized individuals that 1:12:29 civilization and humanity have truly 1:12:32 fallen, because, uh, this humanitarian 1:12:35 tragedy, um, 1:12:37 I think, there are thousands. uh, the 1:12:39 ones who became icons are of course the 1:12:41 elementary school students at MINAP. 1:12:44 Yes, and of course Ali Humeni, 1:12:47 and yes, that school. But there are 1:12:49 many civilian casualties as well, not 1:12:52 to mention those impacted by this 1:12:55 situation, uh, including Indonesia. uh, 1:13:00 if it's already like this, I'm not sure 1:13:03 if when fuel prices rise, which are 1:13:07 already like this, then it will go down 1:13:09 , there's never been a story. So, don't 1:13:11 be fooled if someone says it will reach 1:13:14 10,000. No, there's no story about that 1:13:17 . 1:13:19 Okay. 1:13:20 Unless it's true that Malaysia has, 1:13:23 it's true, because when it goes up, it 1:13:26 goes down. 1:13:29 In Indonesia, the regional regulation 1:13:32 says there's a decline. If there is, 1:13:36 thank God, it means logic speaks. 1:13:40 That's roughly the answer, Mr. Angga. 1:13:43 Okay, Doc. Ben, do you have anything to 1:13:45 add, Doc? Because you mentioned Russia 1:13:48 and China earlier. If 1:13:51 we look at the economy, China is a 1:13:54 domino. 1:13:57 China is the one who benefits, China. 1:13:59 But if Iran still loses, America still 1:14:01 loses, right? The American people are 1:14:04 ruined because of this war, in a way, 1:14:06 all three are ruined, as Dr. Rohai said 1:14:09 earlier, all three are indeed 1:14:11 battered. Well, we don't look at Russia 1:14:13 , right? Russia is at war with Ukraine, 1:14:15 right? So, it's also having problems. 1:14:17 But I see that China benefits because 1:14:19 China is indeed 1:14:21 ee what percentage is from Iran all its 1:14:24 oil exports import oil from Iran all 1:14:27 and for China for Iran China is more 1:14:30 special he is why get discounts all 1:14:32 sorts of things right in profit profit 1:14:35 indeed 1:14:39 examples like this ee Sir for example 1:14:41 if for example in a normal situation 1:14:44 people buy buy oil at the price rate 1:14:46 set by the producer why not China 1:14:49 because Iran can't sell to other 1:14:51 countries right 80%goes to China other 1:14:53 countries don't want to accept 1:14:57 American sanctions so so below that Mas 1:15:01 Sangga I add a little bit this Mas yes 1:15:05 earlier it was interesting I missed the 1:15:08 ones that are allowed Sir Yes the 1:15:11 countries ee like China, Russia and 1:15:16 North Korea yes So in a global conflict 1:15:20 like this there is a term involving 1:15:23 parties or parties involved. Well, in 1:15:28 the context of that agreement, 1:15:31 there is a term called triti, there is 1:15:35 an agreement that was a long time ago, 1:15:39 it was in 1684, yeah, it was an 1:15:42 agreement about, uh, 1:15:45 I forgot the name of a city in Germany, 1:15:48 uh, which recognizes the existence of a 1:15:52 nation state, which means when a 1:15:54 country is not a party, not a party 1:15:57 involved, it cannot, sir. That's why 1:16:02 yesterday when the Korean embassy in 1:16:06 Iran was attacked by Israel, North 1:16:10 Korea could be involved because, simply 1:16:14 , 1:16:15 its country, which is actually a 1:16:18 representative, was targeted, meaning 1:16:21 it has the right to be involved. Well, 1:16:25 China and Russia, 1:16:27 unless their embassies were bombed, for 1:16:29 example, were attacked by Israel, they 1:16:32 can be involved 1:16:33 because there are, 1:16:34 yes, because there are national 1:16:36 interests that are 1:16:39 victims, as long as there are no 1:16:41 victims, they are not allowed to, but 1:16:44 if you often support this, yes, in 1:16:46 another context, but not directly, yes, 1:16:49 involved in the conflict, that's how it 1:16:52 is in the international environment 1:16:54 like that. 1:16:56 Next, I Okay, Sir. Next, I would like 1:17:00 to greet Mrs. Nurjana, yes. 1:17:02 Alhamdulillahir alamin listening from 1:17:04 Australia, from Sydney, Kangga and also 1:17:07 Ibu Lise. Assalamualaikum. I listen 1:17:09 with open eyes, open ears this evening. 1:17:12 Thank you Rasil and also all the 1:17:14 speakers. Okay, we are limited by time, 1:17:18 Mr. Wahid and also Dr. Band. Uh, as a 1:17:22 final question, there are also several 1:17:25 listeners who also said, uh, including 1:17:28 me, need a closing statement, actually, 1:17:30 the future of the agreement and also 1:17:33 peace, are these negotiations, uh, 1:17:35 Trump with Iran still uh, realistic? 1:17:39 Then, going forward, does this 1:17:42 accelerate, uh, the dynamics in the 1:17:44 Middle East region or something like 1:17:47 that? Okay, I'll be from Mr. Wahid 1:17:49 first. I'm still optimistic, uh, and 1:17:53 I'm very, very sure that behind these 1:17:56 attacks, uh, they are still maintaining 1:17:59 communication. Uh, I think we should be 1:18:02 grateful, hopefully, Pakistan remains 1:18:04 strong. The Prime Minister and uh, 1:18:07 General, who are uh, the points of 1:18:10 contact? And I think Duha also needs to 1:18:14 be intensively involved. So, um, let 1:18:18 these so-called violations be, okay? 1:18:24 This means, instead of letting it 1:18:26 happen, it's better not to happen, yes, 1:18:28 attack each other. Ee, but building 1:18:32 this trust, ee, is better shared and 1:18:35 more focused so that this conflict 1:18:39 really, yes, ends. Then, eh, everything 1:18:43 becomes more normal, yeah. I think that 1:18:48 if the American bases are out of the 1:18:52 Middle East, I think it will be safer, 1:18:56 yes. They are better off making up 1:18:59 their own defensive facts. So what are 1:19:02 they afraid of? As for Iran, Iran is 1:19:06 now very open. They just have to 1:19:08 communicate, okay? I share this 1:19:10 auto-criticism with Middle Eastern 1:19:13 countries. But specifically for the end 1:19:16 of this conflict, I think the 1:19:18 negotiations are still being mediated 1:19:20 by Pakistan. I think I'm still 1:19:23 optimistic. I hope that in a short time 1:19:27 they will meet again to be able to 1:19:30 discuss more seriously, sir, doctor. OK 1:19:36 , Dr. Bands. From Dr. What about the 1:19:40 band and the ending? It's the same as 1:19:43 eh ee Mas Wid, that there is definitely 1:19:45 an end, there is an end, even though 1:19:47 it's a bit of a twist, yes, but there's 1:19:49 definitely a bit of an ending, bro. Sis 1:19:53 , that's right, Mas. It means there 1:19:54 will definitely be an end. We are sure 1:19:56 of it. 1:19:56 Yes, exactly exactly exactly. 1:19:59 Hmm. Okay. Okay. Thank you very much to 1:20:07 Dr. Wahid Ridwan as our guest speaker 1:20:09 on tonight's show. And also thank you 1:20:13 very much, Dr. Ben, this BMBT will 1:20:15 continue. God willing, we will meet 1:20:18 again in 2 weeks. And brothers and 1:20:21 sisters, that concludes our eye-opening 1:20:23 and ear-opening program tonight. 1:20:24 Hopefully what was conveyed and also 1:20:27 discussed with our two speakers is 1:20:29 beneficial for all of you. Thank you 1:20:31 very much for your company. We 1:20:33 apologize for any mistakes in our words 1:20:35 . From the studio, we will leave. 1:20:36 Billahi taufik wal hidayah. 1:20:38 Subhanakallahumma wabihamdika asadu 1:20:40 alla ilahailla anta astagfiruka waubu 1:20:42 ilaik. Peace be upon you warahmatullahi 1:20:44 wabarakatuh. 1:20:46 Waalaikumsalam warahmatullahi 1:20:47 wabarakatuh. 
