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0:08 Brail TV. 0:16 Peace be upon you, Mr. Iksanuddin Nursi 0:18 . And peace be upon 0:22 you. 0:23 Wow, this is the morning when the data 0:26 shows something extraordinary. But it 0:30 seems, God willing, we are all healthy. 0:32 Well, sir. 0:33 Amen. God willing. 0:34 To be healthy, we need to eat healthily 0:37 . But when it comes to tempeh, we are 0:39 currently feeling cranky. Previously, 0:43 cooking oil was scarce, I don't know. 0:46 Maybe it was because of the Omekron 0:47 variant. What was the previous variant? 0:50 Oxygen Delta. Before that, it was masks 0:53 . Who knows what. Cooking oil, tempeh 0:56 prices have gone up. What else will 0:58 happen? So, what can Mr. Ihsanuddin 1:01 Nursi see from the development of this 1:04 country in managing the oligarchy of 1:06 entrepreneurs? Hey, sir, please, sir. A 1:09 start, 1:11 yes. Bismillahirrahmanirrahim. What 1:13 needs to be seen regarding soybeans? 1:18 Hey, this is a story where the 1:25 government has never created a 1:30 blueprint to reduce the need for 1:32 self-control from the Soeharto era 1:34 until now. 1:35 Hm. There used to be an association of 1:39 grain distributors, 1:42 wheat flour distributors, and soybean 1:44 distributors. He. 1:47 There was even a tempeh and tofu 1:50 entrepreneur association, 1:54 which actually aimed to show that there 1:57 was a high consumption in Indonesia and 2:00 that it had to be produced well if we 2:03 really wanted to build, to use the 2:05 idealistic term, 2:08 soybean sovereignty. He. 2:14 Well, I remember clearly when I was in 2:17 I was an expert staff member at BULK, 2:19 yes, the only soybeans that could be 2:25 produced were soybeans from Aceh. 2:26 H. 2:28 Then there were also soybeans from East 2:30 Java. Ee idamame was brought directly 2:34 by Japan 2:35 in neat packaging for food supplies in 2:38 Japan. He. 2:40 So, ee, the point is, Indonesia can 2:42 actually produce its own soybeans, as 2:46 long as the livelihood prospects of 2:48 soybean farmers are guaranteed to be 2:50 good. But because there was a battle 2:53 between those who 2:55 took the lifestyle ee from imports 2:59 H 3:00 and then the government did not have a 3:03 good plan for ee soybean cultivation, 3:06 we were always dependent on imports. 3:10 Well, that dependence on imports is 3:13 what makes soybean prices actually 3:15 difficult to control. This is an 3:18 incident where tempeh entrepreneurs 3:20 protested and planned to hold a 3-day 3:22 demonstration. It's 3:25 not a new thing to sell tempeh. It's 3:28 happened many times, 3:30 but we've never seen it before. We've 3:32 never thought about how to address the 3:34 root of the problem. 3:36 In my opinion, the problem is the 3:38 blueprint for soybean cultivation, 3:43 even though at the same time, soybean 3:47 exports from Jember, 3:50 Japan, are still running, already 3:52 neatly packaged. 3:54 Heeh. That's 3:55 what, again, it's no surprise that 3:58 shortages occur. 4:00 But it's not just about soybeans. It 4:02 also happens, for example, with sugar. 4:04 It also happens, for example, with 4:07 rice shortages, but the same prayer, 4:09 wheat imports increase. 4:11 Tell everyone to eat noodles. People 4:14 have already eaten everything. 4:17 So the substitute for rice is 4:20 wheat flour. 4:23 Yes. 4:24 Yes. See for yourself how high human 4:27 noodle consumption is. Even though 4:29 human noodle production is also 4:31 experiencing various problems. So the 4:35 problem is if we look at it from a 4:37 macro perspective, not just from the 4:39 sub-sectors. He. 4:42 It's about how agricultural policy 4:45 planning in Indonesia is. I remember an 4:50 interesting post I was given about how 4:53 Bill Gates is buying up large-scale 4:56 agricultural land in America. 4:58 Oh. Well, then people ask, "Kate, why 5:01 are you defending large-scale 5:03 agriculture?" Kate smiles because she 5:06 sees that life can never be separated 5:08 from the agricultural sector. He 5:13 means that people like Bill Gates are 5:14 playing in IT and have become the 5:16 richest people in the world. Number 5:19 four, number five, 5:23 their wealth is actually used to buy 5:26 large-scale agricultural land. Then we 5:31 remember in Indonesia, what about the 5:33 food estate 5:34 by building an agricultural area in 5:36 Kalimantan? 5:38 Ah, people's priorities are all messed 5:41 up. They haven't 5:42 even thought about the photo properly 5:43 for the capital city. They haven't even 5:45 properly bought the plane yet. They 5:47 haven't even properly chosen the plane 5:49 again. 5:51 Speaking of talking about planes, Bang, 5:54 I read the news earlier. This is crazy. 5:58 More than 300 trillion rupiah. Ee, 6:01 while it seems like the country is rich 6:04 , even though the debt is so low. Ah, 6:08 America, France, is this about the 6:10 South China Sea? We'll be used as pawns 6:14 in facing regional conflicts, or what 6:17 will the story be like in the future, 6:19 bro? Every regional conflict, whether 6:25 it's a real conflict that's already in 6:28 the form of armed conflict or 6:30 preparations for armed conflict, 6:34 always involves the military industry. 6:36 Military. Right. 6:38 When we talk about the military 6:40 industry, it means it increases the 6:42 demand for equipment, 6:45 weapons. Does that mean we have to 6:49 import advanced weapons, including 6:52 aircraft? 6:53 Yes. 6:54 Or, if we have the capacity to produce 6:57 domestically, there will be an increase 7:00 in steel demand. 7:02 Oh yes. 7:03 So the relationship is steel per capita 7:09 . 7:10 So steel consumption per capita is 7:13 calculated. So, when steel demand is 7:17 calculated in a more detailed way, a 7:20 country can be seen to what extent its 7:24 level of progress is, from property 7:27 relations, infrastructure 7:31 to technological advancements in the 7:33 military field. That's how it was 7:35 calculated before. So, 7:36 yes. 7:37 Well, uh, so it's no surprise that some 7:40 countries still have regional conflicts 7:43 . uh, 7:46 Syria, we see, is not yet resolved. 7:48 Right. 7:49 Um, then there was also a conflict in 7:51 Ukraine, which has a long history 7:54 before World War I. 7:58 Then there was the South China Sea, 8:01 then the Taiwan prayer, and that also 8:03 didn't subside, the illicit arms trade 8:06 in Latin America for the drug industry. 8:10 Huh. 8:11 We know that the gangs there have a 8:13 high demand for weapons. At the same 8:16 time, we also know that there is a 8:17 demand for weapons in the KKB, right? 8:20 Yes. Yes. We also know who is selling 8:25 them. 8:26 Yes. So, 8:28 if we look at that construction, uh, 8:31 don't shout about money laundering. 8:35 H. Don't talk about money laundering if 8:37 in essence you can never stop the war. 8:40 Huh. 8:42 Both the wars you create and the wars 8:43 that actually occur between 8:47 uh, big gangs and the authorities. If 8:51 in Latin America, the cages are so 8:53 crazy, 8:54 that means the demand for weapons is 8:56 high. Just like the KKB, the demand for 8:58 weapons is also high, if we look at it, 9:00 it creates a role. Well, Indonesia, 9:04 which has an area from Sabang to Marau, 9:09 is so high, right? From Roti to the 9:15 island...So high, it requires, uh, not 9:19 just aircraft before, even ships that 9:24 just patrol the oceans require huge 9:28 costs. Islam 9:32 needs it extraordinarily. The size of 9:34 the motorbike alone, in a week, it 9:36 doesn't finish it, 9:37 it 9:38 circles the Indonesian coastline from 9:41 Sabang to Marauke, 9:44 from north to south, from west to east. 9:47 The same goes for 9:47 the air. 9:49 Hmm. The air concerns how it relates to 9:52 Singapore, how it relates to Timor 9:54 Leste. In my opinion, from the data I 9:58 have, for example, we have 29 provinces 10:00 bordering other countries, 29 provinces 10:03 . 10:06 So out of 34 provinces, 29 provinces 10:08 border other countries. Well, when 10:11 entering the aerospace region, an 10:13 extraordinary air defense capability is 10:16 needed. That's when I once wrote about 10:19 COVID in relation to the chemical trail 10:22 , the air force should have spoken. 10:25 This is the air lift, no, no, no, air 10:27 defense is silent at all. 10:30 Well, when I entered the South China 10:32 Sea, I was busy talking about the 10:34 American drone that China had 10:36 successfully captured and found to be 10:38 used for espionage. Huh. 10:41 And now the drone trade has become 10:43 extraordinary because it involves 10:45 unmanned aircraft that can carry 10:47 e-bombs in such a way. That's 10:50 terrifying. 10:54 Now, add to that the Ustaz Fakitu. 10:58 Huh, 11:00 what would happen if drones were so 11:02 advanced that they could become 11:04 unmanned weapons at a certain level? 11:08 Huh. So, what would it be like if we 11:09 had that kind of aircraft? Well, people 11:11 then backtracked on the issue of…uh 11:14 …about funding. Huh. 11:17 Regarding funding, like how Trump 11:20 lashed out at NATO members whose 11:22 spending should be 3%of GDP and it 11:24 wasn't met but they just wanted 11:26 whatever. 11:28 Ultimately, it's all about money. 11:30 That's what I said. So, the fire 11:32 industry is related to the frequency 11:35 industry, meeting the fuel industry, 11:37 meeting the financial industry, 11:40 which is currently being analyzed in 11:42 the 5Fs. Well, the construction we must 11:46 face, the mindset we must develop, for 11:49 example, in Indonesia's defense 11:51 spending, particularly aircraft, is not 11:54 just about aerospace defense, maritime 11:57 defense, or land defense. It's also 12:01 related to the geopolitical framework 12:04 and domestic political conflicts, or, 12:07 as Anton Blinken said, 12:10 how important Indonesia's role is to 12:13 ASEAN. And at the same time, Indonesia 12:17 is also flirting with China and Russia 12:19 as a form of non-alignment. 12:21 What about non-alignment? 315 trillion, 12:27 of course, hopefully, it won't leak out 12:28 , because the Corruption Eradication 12:29 Commission (KPK) can't monitor it if 12:31 it's the Minister of Defense, right? 12:33 I once secretly participated in a 12:36 transaction involving the exchange of 12:39 Sukoi for 12:42 Indonesian natural resources. Yes. 12:46 And I know what the negotiations were 12:49 like because I followed them closely. 12:51 Hey, 12:53 in this era of exchange, we like to use 12:54 Indonesian natural resources, in this 12:56 case palm oil, palm oil, and things 12:58 like that. 13:00 That's exciting, meaning, the person 13:02 who has to sit there must have this, 13:04 must have something, they have 13:05 requirements in the negotiations. 13:08 Oh, 13:09 negotiating about your remaining 13:10 balance, your background, and so on. 13:12 Wow, it's sorted out thoroughly. 13:14 There's a very strict filter to be able 13:17 to negotiate. 13:21 And it's not just a strict filter 13:23 during negotiations; you need high 13:25 negotiation skills with extraordinary 13:27 psychological warfare skills. 13:33 Then, when it comes to money, there's 13:35 something called transaction costs. 13:40 There are 13:41 transaction costs. So, in the world of 13:45 exports and imports, transition costs, 13:48 or what Betawi calls commissions, are 13:51 inseparable. 13:58 If I were to use the international term 14:01 , it's called a fair cost. 14:04 Yeah. Okay. Eah. So we also understand 14:08 why we like importing. It's not just 14:11 importers who 14:13 reap extraordinary profits from 14:15 bringing in goods like soybeans, sugar, 14:20 hoes, or salt. 14:23 But officials also likely receive 14:26 transfer benefits. 14:29 Yeah, 14:29 from licenses or concessions granted. 14:34 For example, in soybeans, you have to 14:36 talk to agriculture, agriculture has to 14:37 talk to trade, trade has to talk to the 14:39 smallholders. Wow, that's exciting. 14:42 Likewise, with the aircraft, you have 14:44 to talk not only with the Ministry of 14:45 Defense, 14:46 the Minister of Finance, 14:47 but also with the user, you have to 14:48 talk to the Ministry of Finance, right? 14:51 Yes. 14:52 Uh, coordination needs to be more 14:55 intense. 14:56 Well. Oh. Meanwhile, the workers 'money 15:01 is at stake. These days, the workers 15:05 are arguing about old-age security, bro 15:07 . 56 years old, bro, how old is 15:10 Hanandudin Nursi, bro? Uh, 4, 15:13 64. Subhanallah. 15:16 64. 15:17 I retired without any position at the 15:19 age of 44. 15:20 Masyaallah. So, this old-age security 15:24 issue, they say there's around 550 15:26 rupiah in idle money if it's postponed. 15:30 Because there will be a lot of layoffs, 15:32 or there are already a lot. This is 15:34 what's happening, and some people are 15:36 saying, "Ah, there will be a hero soon, 15:37 this will all be resolved, this is 15:39 something like that." But it's really 15:41 extraordinary, this political game is 15:42 making people scratch their heads right 15:44 now. How is it, bro? 15:47 Eh, basically, whenever there's idle 15:49 money or cheap money or easy money to 15:51 get, 15:52 he 15:53 ee a number of high-ranking officials 15:56 turn green-eyed. 15:57 Hm. 15:58 Because it's all about projects. 16:00 Heeh. 16:04 Because it's all about projects and 16:06 there's no money. So whenever there's 16:09 money there, their eyes turn green. 16:10 Betawi people say their eyes are green. 16:14 They haven't given up yet, people with 16:15 green eyes. One of them is in JHT, one 16:17 of them is in BP, in BPJS 16:20 Tenaga Kerja. 16:21 Tenaga Kerja. BPJ K Tenaga Kerja 16:24 already knows. Then there's old age 16:26 security. That's what I said, it 16:29 shouldn't just be looking at old age 16:31 security in employment, but also at 16:34 ee look at old age security in Taspen, 16:36 which I've been complaining about for a 16:38 long time. 16:41 I've been complaining about it secretly 16:42 , but I haven't been loud about it. He. 16:45 Because I smell something that smells 16:50 wrong too. It's not just about the same 16:52 thing as the same thing as the same 16:54 thing as the Asabri. 16:55 H 16:56 because the money is easy to get. 17:00 Then we don't know the utilization, if 17:02 we use 17:03 financial language, we don't understand 17:06 the placement and replacement. 17:09 Yes, there are financial reports, but 17:11 financial reports are sometimes just a 17:13 formality. Hm. I'm good in the 17:15 Asabri case, the life insurance case, 17:17 the formalities are good, but in the 17:19 end, oh, it turned out to be a mess. 17:20 He. 17:23 Well, when there is 550 trillion in old 17:25 age security, it would be nice to use 17:27 it to improve project activities. 17:30 Okay. Why are you postponing it, Mom, 17:32 you get bigger profits? 17:34 Eh, people's needs are different, Boss. 17:36 Hm. Yes. 17:37 Ana is just playing around at 56 17:39 if it's long. In fact, the needs 17:41 referred to as rituals are needs when a 17:44 DPHK or then regularly works due to 17:46 accidents, so they can't work anymore 17:49 and then they use it for their needs. 17:53 Unless they finally stop working 17:55 completely at 56, that's okay. This is 17:59 the logic of cheap funds, right? He. 18:03 So, if we use industry, I think people 18:05 who work in the financial industry, I 18:08 use capital, think about how people 18:10 work in the financial industry find 18:12 cheap funds to invest and then get a 18:14 gain, so to speak. 18:17 One of the cheap funds is JHT, it's a 18:21 cheap fund. How do you keep this usable 18:25 ? Just postpone the maturity date so it 18:27 doesn't mismatch, so to speak. 18:29 Hmm, financial terms don't mismatch. 18:32 When the obligation falls due, the 18:34 funds are still there. So, the maturity 18:38 date is quite long, made 56 years 18:41 less. 18:42 So, so it's not a mitm, so calculate 18:45 how much they can withdraw on average 18:47 over 56 years? Oh, a dozen years. So, 18:50 this can be invested for 10 years, this 18:52 can be invested for at least 5 years, 18:54 right? You pay with cheap funds every 5 18:57 years, for example, at a value of IDR 19:00 50 trillion, so you 19:02 just calculate the average time, right? 19:04 Yes. 19:06 So, there is data to show the model for 19:08 calculating how the maturity date is, 19:10 and how long the time period is. So, 19:14 how long can this money be used? So how 19:16 much profit does it get from the costs 19:19 incurred? There are ways to calculate 19:21 that. 19:21 H. 19:22 Well, there, if an official says this 19:25 is more profitable. Profitable for whom 19:27 ? 19:28 Oh, the 19:29 economic situation isn't favorable, 19:31 with such a high layoff rate. Let's see 19:35 how the effectiveness of pandemic 19:38 financing is low. The idea of 502% 19:42 growth is only 3.69. That means they 19:45 don't want to create jobs. The jobs 19:48 that are created are created by 19:49 foreigners, not by domestic people. 19:51 This means, again, when the output 19:54 multiplier effect is used for them, the 19:57 outcome is used for them, the output is 20:00 also damaged, and the input is also 20:02 damaged. 20:04 Yes. It's 20:05 exploitative, right? Right. 20:08 Do you understand that the funds saved 20:09 are actually the outcome of the output? 20:13 Yes. 20:13 You understand what I mean? Thinking 20:14 about it. 20:15 He. 20:15 Okay. So now let's go back to the 20:18 process, how? Oh, the process: they 20:21 take resources, uh, production, 20:23 distribution, resources, and input, how 20:25 ? They've also taken their jobs, as 20:27 evidenced by their taking them. Can you 20:30 imagine, on a macro level, how 20:32 difficult it is to be an Indonesian 20:34 citizen when the VAT is raised to 11% 20:38 next month? 20:39 So, the problem is incredibly complex. 20:43 If we look at this problem systemically 20:46 and structurally, from taxation, 20:48 production resources, distribution, 20:50 output being taken, outcomes being 20:52 taken, and the multiplier effect being 20:54 taken, what are the Indonesian people 20:56 getting? Doesn't this justify the 21:01 ongoing process of structural poverty, 21:04 a process of exploitation that is 21:07 perhaps profound? The logic behind this 21:12 is that the increasingly profound 21:15 exploitation process actually leaves 21:18 deeper and deeper wounds of injustice. 21:23 So, the political economy isn't being 21:25 properly thought out. If we look at it 21:27 with a systemic, structural approach, 21:30 what's happening is a deepening wound 21:32 of justice, an increasingly chronic 21:34 wound of justice, 21:37 stemming from a political economy that 21:39 lacks partisanship. 21:41 This is what needs to be thought 21:43 through deeply. Don't just have 550 21:45 liters of money, it's evil. Yes, I'll 21:48 answer in part, that when I knew about 21:50 it, I knew it from the start. Before 21:52 anyone could make a fuss, I confirmed, 21:54 "Bank, this 56-year JHT fund can only 21:56 be disbursed." I answered briefly. "Yes 21:58 , the APBN doesn't have the money." 22:00 Like that. 22:00 Oh, simple. 22:03 Why? Because yesterday, uh uh, the IMF 22:06 prohibited 22:08 BI from buying 0%. H. 22:10 So, if the SBN is to be purchased 22:12 domestically, the buyers should just 22:14 use the old-age security by 22:16 going there to BI. 22:18 Yes, the bonds are still issued for the 22:20 needs of building the IKN, building 22:21 various things, building dams, building 22:23 things like that, right? 22:26 Uh, but with funds with interest rates, 22:28 that's why Rangga Hartas said this is 22:30 profitable, right? Of course, who are 22:33 you profitable for? 22:34 With interest, 22:36 you don't think in a broader framework, 22:38 how come. Yes. 22:44 That's what happens if we take the 22:46 character of the structural system, it 22:48 has quite chronic problems. 22:52 Hey, this country is indeed 22:54 extraordinary. There's also more news, 22:57 bro. Three, eh, how much is that? 16 23:00 million civil servants in our republic 23:03 are apparently incompetent. This is 23:07 also eroding the state budget and what 23:10 is it, is it because of too many 23:12 regulations or because of…what is it, 23:14 unclear targets? Maybe Bang Insan can 23:18 see when the Minister of PAN is grumpy 23:21 about the performance of civil servants 23:24 whose average age is 35 years and above 23:27 . The recent one is a different story. 23:29 There are many more stories. Later we 23:31 can discuss the children of millennials 23:33 who have just entered the civil service 23:35 . How do you see it, Bang? 23:37 I was in the era of…who was the 23:45 former Minister of PAN during the 23:47 Soeharto era talking about the 23:49 empowerment of the 23:51 state apparatus. The state. He. 23:53 Saleh. Saleh. Saleh Afif. 23:55 Oh, Saleh Afif. Heeh. Remember I was 23:59 Afif for years and then replaced 24:02 by Saronogusmaja, right? 24:04 Heeh. Oh, the 24:08 issue is actually still in the context 24:10 of the effectiveness of civil servant 24:12 employment. 24:14 H 24:15 how to calculate the workload of civil 24:18 servants with a healthy work culture. 24:23 The issue has been over for two 24:25 generations, it's 24:26 not a new issue. I uh uh I'll take it 24:30 this way. Can you imagine a work 24:36 environment that doesn't depend on the 24:39 internal organizational culture for its 24:42 job prospects? So, uh, a person's 24:46 vertical mobility must have hope in 24:48 their work by looking at how healthy 24:51 their vertical mobility is, how healthy 24:53 their career advancement prospects are. 24:57 It must be alive. That's what's called 25:00 a healthy job climate, a healthy work 25:02 climate. Now, can you imagine a healthy 25:06 job or work climate depending on 25:08 external parties, or on politicians, 25:10 how is that? Uh, that's because 25:14 politicians politicize civil servants. 25:16 Let me continue a little. 25:19 Uh, that's why when I talk about 25:21 IT-based bureaucratic reform, I say the 25:24 basis is just a tool. Previously, if we 25:28 used the approach to improving 25:30 bureaucratic services, there were two: 25:32 there was the one based on people, 25:34 based on what's called human capacity 25:37 and quality. There was also the one 25:40 based on equipment based on technology 25:42 services, the so-called base. So, there 25:46 are two if we take bureaucratic 25:47 services that we can improve. How is 25:51 the human approach, and what is the 25:52 technological approach. What's called 25:55 the human approach is that we talk 25:57 about everything from the job to the 25:59 organizational culture, to what I 26:01 mentioned earlier as healthy vertical 26:03 mobility. Meanwhile, in terms of 26:06 technology, we actually improve the 26:08 quality of coordination, which 26:09 essentially involves editing, timing, 26:11 and balancing, for example. 26:14 So that work coordination improves and 26:16 it appears that the function of one 26:17 position is applied and effectively, 26:19 that's how we measure it. We always 26:22 take 26:24 ee, once again, this isn't a new debate 26:26 ; this debate has been going on from 26:28 Saleh Afif to Sarwonus Atmaja and so on 26:30 until now it's fallen to Cahyo Kumolo. 26:34 He. 26:34 Is there anything new? 26:36 Yes. 26:36 Nothing. Yes, there's 26:38 nothing new. 26:39 Why? Because the job climate is 26:41 unhealthy. 26:42 Hmm. The 26:43 work climate and organizational culture 26:45 are unhealthy. A bureaucratic official 26:48 depends on what's called a political 26:50 official. A director general to be able 26:53 to sit in a position depends on the 26:54 same name as the name of a political 26:56 party, especially with today's politics 26:58 , 26:58 Mr. Cahy, 26:59 when it depends on what depends on what 27:01 is called, ee, Mr. political officials, 27:04 political officials depend on the 27:05 interests of businessmen, so-and-so is 27:08 the Director General, so-and-so is the 27:10 Secretary General, talks to his 27:12 minister, then talks, talks to the 27:13 secretary, finished, 27:15 ee, Rasil listeners and viewers of 27:18 Rasil TV, that's what I know concretely 27:21 . I repeat, that's what I know 27:25 concretely. How can businessmen 27:27 determine whether A becomes the 27:29 Director General, or B becomes the 27:31 Secretary General, so-and-so becomes 27:33 the director, so-and-so becomes the 27:35 head. That happened. 27:40 Then that's what I said, does that 27:42 create a healthy job climate? Does that 27:44 create a healthy work climate? Does 27:46 that create a healthy organizational 27:47 culture? No. No, that's not the same as 27:53 the position. Why are they only talking 27:55 about the director level, the minister 27:57 level too? Why are they talking about 27:59 the minister level depending on 28:00 political parties? What does that mean? 28:01 There's a broken system, right? 28:06 Then if we say the Director General is 28:08 like that, the minister is like that, 28:09 then what about the president? The 28:11 oligarchy will fall. Hey, 28:14 let's take the political system like 28:16 that, enter the bureaucratic system 28:18 like that. Then they blame 1.6 million 28:21 civil servants who are not uh, uh, 28:24 worthy, 28:26 incompetent. Hey, are you really that 28:28 competent? 28:29 Oh, back to that. 28:32 There are even competent ones, bro. 28:34 This happened in the news last week, 28:36 someone who was mostly competent was 28:39 dismissed because, for example, his 28:41 wife uploaded uh, what was that? uh, on 28:44 his cellphone, he uploaded what was 28:46 considered radical. That happened to 28:48 the point that the minister was 28:50 confused about how this professor and 28:51 doctor were dismissed just because of 28:53 this system. This is extraordinary, 28:55 that incident, yes, 28:57 because the work climate is unhealthy. 29:00 H 29:00 they don't understand radical 29:02 terrorists and extremists from the 29:04 perspective of constitutional 29:06 enforcement interests. They take the 29:08 perspective of uh, uh, terrorist 29:10 thinking, radical thinking that is 29:12 actually imported from abroad without 29:14 then being properly adjusted to the 29:16 interests of national life, statehood. 29:19 So uh, that's what I call job climate. 29:22 That's an indicator that shows that the 29:25 work climate, that organizational 29:27 culture is unhealthy. Then uh, uh, uh, 29:32 the filter that is built, the filter 29:33 that is built according to their 29:35 political needs. The filter that was 29:38 built, are you compatible with us or 29:40 not? Uh what. So that means the 29:42 bureaucracy becomes a political machine 29:44 , a political force. If that's the case 29:46 , even though it doesn't seem like a 29:48 political machine, one of the 29:49 bureaucratic machines should be 29:51 independent. It shouldn't have any 29:54 partisanship. This means it, uh, must 29:56 reach an impartial position. It's not 29:59 in a position to side with any party 30:01 within the political framework, so as 30:03 not to differentiate public services, 30:05 right? Yes. 30:06 Well, this is interesting here, to this 30:08 point my analysis has become more fun 30:11 or crazier, I don't know how, how, how, 30:14 how. 30:16 From this, uh, in America, when the 30:19 name shifts from Republican to Democrat 30:23 , Democrat to Republican, each party 30:26 measures the extent to which public 30:29 services provided to the public are in 30:33 an impartial position. It's measured to 30:38 the hilt, it's also measured to what 30:41 extent the businessmen behind the 30:44 Republican Party or Temer's Party get a 30:47 windfall when they are in power or not 30:50 in power. Whether they were made 30:53 difficult or not when the so-called 30:54 republic was in power and businessmen 30:56 in the Democrats were made difficult or 30:58 whatever, but whether or not they were 30:59 carried over was a thorough measure to 31:01 demonstrate that public services were 31:03 undisturbed. Why? Because public 31:06 services are public goods. 31:10 So, one obligation of the bureaucracy, 31:12 one obligation of those in power, one 31:15 obligation of politicians who hold 31:17 public office is based on their oath of 31:20 office. Well, if this is done well, 31:24 then the end result of good public 31:27 service is price stability. So, it's 31:30 not just public services that are 31:32 public goods or public services. Public 31:35 services as public services are all 31:37 about the livelihoods of many people, 31:39 but also price stability as a form of 31:42 public service, as a form of the 31:44 livelihoods of many people in the 31:46 macroeconomic sphere. We talked about 31:49 soybeans earlier, we talked about the 31:51 erratic prices in communities. Can you 31:54 imagine if public services were not 31:58 public services, but corporate services 32:01 or group services. Then, with price 32:05 stability, it would not be a public 32:07 service, 32:08 but only a service for certain groups. 32:14 Other people then don't get good 32:16 service due to price stability. Is that 32:18 a successful country or a failed 32:20 country? It's roughly 32:21 justice for all Indonesian people is 32:23 lost. That's where 32:26 I said, sorry, I might be thinking a 32:28 bit far-fetched, or perhaps too 32:30 short-sighted, like that. 32:33 How do we view PNSPNS-based public 32:35 services, the key word of which is a 32:37 political party because political 32:39 parties in the current constitutional 32:41 system are the sole shareholders in the 32:43 government system. On the one hand, one 32:46 of the outputs is price stability as a 32:48 public service, and 32:50 h, 32:51 which, in the correct political 32:52 economic framework, both are the 32:54 livelihoods of many people. Public 32:56 services as the livelihoods of many 32:58 people. Price stability or price 32:59 stability as a necessity is lacking in 33:01 many. And then the government can never 33:03 fulfill it. How is that? 33:05 H 33:06 is a failed country, a failed 33:07 government or a successful government. 33:11 Then, the democracy index is measured 33:13 by saying the democracy index is still 33:14 good, so what is the measure of a 33:16 democracy index like that? If democracy 33:20 doesn't produce good public services, 33:21 doesn't produce good price stability, 33:23 what's the point? What's the point of 33:26 democracy like that? Well, in my view, 33:29 that's where democracy becomes an 33:30 illusion amidst a system like this. 33:35 Yes. 33:36 If we remember things like that, we're 33:38 even more proud of the G20. No. Don't 33:40 be proud of the G20. Let's take a 33:42 closer look. Especially when the G20 33:44 wants to bring it into the sharia 33:46 economy, to bring it into the Islamic 33:47 economy. Hey, wait, what about the 33:49 sharia economy? The 33:51 sharia economy collapsed, while the 33:53 number of loans rose by 85%. Does this 33:55 mean that a nation with a Muslim 33:57 majority is showing success in the 33:59 so-called sharia economy? 34:01 What's the logic? Oh my God, life is 34:07 truly terrifying if it's like that. 34:10 It's not just that, it's not just that, 34:13 there's an extraordinary irony. I want 34:16 to leave a legacy; the legislation I 34:18 want to leave behind is the sharia 34:19 economy. And the data on loans shows 34:22 how you are actually implementing 34:23 extraordinary usury. The data on 34:25 foreign loans shows that you are also 34:27 receiving extraordinary usury. At the 34:30 same time, you can see that 34:32 Sharia-based online loans are also low, 34:34 only around 4%. At the same time, 34:36 Sharia banking is also stagnant, only 34:38 around 5%. At the same time, economic 34:41 life remains based on usury. At the 34:43 same time, public services are poor and 34:45 price stability is poor. Where is 34:47 Sharia? There is Sharia, not Sharia. 34:51 No. I want to say to the 34:55 secret listeners of Rahsel, 34:58 if we want to talk like that, there are 35:01 many things we can do. Yes, 35:05 ayyuhalladina amanu, let's not talk 35:08 about something we can't do. Hey, I 35:12 want to sell 6,000 vocational schools 35:14 in 2022. 35:17 Where's 6,000 units? I want an economic 35:22 meeting of 7%, but it's hard for you to 35:24 achieve that. 35:25 I want to stop imports. I want to stop 35:28 the balance of payments, uh, negative 35:30 balance of payments. I want to stop the 35:33 trade deficit. I want to stop foreign 35:35 debt. What can you do with that? 35:40 We can only say 35:41 that you are radical, radical, 35:43 terrarist, extremist. Those are the 35:46 standards that 35:49 make people compare Suharto's region to 35:51 something like that. Even though 35:52 Suharto was like that with a military 35:54 approach, now it seems like a civilian 35:56 approach, but it doesn't seem to be 35:58 getting better. Could it be that we're 36:00 enjoying the military side again, which 36:02 is ridiculous to the point that some 36:03 people think that. 36:05 In the end, the people are really 36:07 ridiculous. 36:07 In the end, the people are reciting 36:09 dhikr. Hasbunallah wikmal wakil. 36:12 So then the accusation of dhikr as 36:13 dhikr, dhikr of war, they say. Even 36:17 prayer is being challenged, right? 36:20 Yes. So, how do you think, 36:23 bro? In 8 minutes, I want to take the 36:26 listeners to another area so we can 36:28 have more discourse. Tsanuddin Nursi 36:31 has already touched on the Ukraine 36:32 issue. It's funny that Canada and 36:36 Germany are running away from the area 36:38 today, and eh, Ukrainian President 36:41 Vladimir Zelenski said it's okay that 36:43 he wants to do war exercises there. But 36:46 the world is extraordinary. What's 36:49 really going on? What drama are you 36:51 making, Bang? Actually, this is a story 36:53 . Is it possible that Bang Isan can 36:56 portray the long history of Ukraine? 36:59 What I said earlier is that Ukrainian 37:02 history is history before World War II, 37:06 right? Hee, 37:09 history before World War I, and this is 37:14 about German involvement, 37:17 right? 37:21 In the background, 37:24 there is a battle of values behind it, 37:26 there is also a financial issue there. 37:29 Yes. 37:30 In the end, it's not just a 37:32 military-industrial battle. 37:33 Hm. 37:35 There are holocoast issues and 37:37 so on. 37:39 Yes. 37:39 H. So, ee, if we portray 37:45 ee, how Jews used to be in Europe. 37:49 He, 37:52 ee, they started to set foot, their 37:54 foothold in ee, in England in such a 37:57 way, right? 37:58 He. 37:59 Until England could dominate the world 38:01 with their strong financial power. eh, 38:06 the United Kingdom, the Great Britain, 38:09 that's it, with financial backup from 38:12 the Roth Charles family. Uh, well, 38:16 before leaving, they themselves made a 38:18 mapping 38:20 of the European region. 38:22 Well, we know that in Germany there was 38:25 a story about Nazism, Nazism, 38:29 Nazism, 38:30 and the Holocaust. Well, that's related 38:34 to Ukraine. What, where is the 38:37 connection? Well, actually, Ukraine is 38:42 one of the regions that was not subdued 38:46 from a Jewish perspective. 38:51 Oh, he always depicts it from a story 38:58 about Orthodox Christians. That's why 39:04 the president said that. 39:07 H. 39:08 Well, these Orthodox Christians are 39:10 actually different from the 39:13 line built by the ruling Jews. The Jews 39:20 are the ones who are the deciding 39:21 factors behind the government. If we 39:26 talk about K swap in a vulgar way, for 39:29 example, Klaus Swap, the global 39:31 determinant NGO at the World Academy 39:34 Forum, vulgarly developed CL swap that 39:37 he could determine Justin Trudau and 39:40 his cabinet, Justin Trudau, a cabinet 39:43 of global leaders. 39:45 H 39:46 means the relationship with the Jews is 39:47 strong. Why? Because Closwap is a 39:49 descendant of Rot Childs. Oh. 39:52 Oh, 39:53 so CL is a descendant of R Child Child. 39:57 He. 39:57 And this Child is decisive in many ways 39:59 . So he will be influenced in Indonesia 40:02 later. I talked about Indonesia first. 40:04 Now, this is what's interesting here. 40:08 Uh uh there it seems uh why Canada 40:13 withdrew. Because there was a Jewish 40:16 issue, there was an Orthodox Christian 40:18 issue. While uh uh it wasn't just that, 40:21 there were also political economic 40:23 interests from the position of how 40:24 Russia was controlled while Russia was 40:26 controlled by Orthodox Christians. 40:29 H 40:31 saw it that way. So uh when England was 40:34 successful uh then England spread 40:37 widely then behind that there was the 40:39 Jewish issue. uh there it seems that 40:44 Ukraine as a region in Europe, uh, has 40:47 a strategic position at the point of 40:50 contact between Jews and Orthodox 40:53 Christians. 40:56 Well, it's not natural that the 40:58 president couldn't possibly be like 40:59 that. uh the 41:01 understanding is that it was made that 41:04 in some foreign studies, e the 41:06 relationship was made by drawing the 41:08 relationship between Germany, Canada 41:11 with Ukraine through geopolitics, 41:13 through uh how the geostrategy was made 41:16 . I happened to receive that, got that, 41:20 like that. 41:22 Well, from there, NATO has an interest 41:24 in ensuring that Ukraine is not 41:27 completely under Russian influence. H 41:30 Because besides being directly 41:32 head-to-head with the European region, 41:35 as Turkey has successfully been used to 41:37 confront Europe, later when Ukraine and 41:40 Turkey are in Russia's ranks, right, to 41:42 confront Europe, that means, uh, 41:44 there's an Eastern bloc power again 41:46 facing the Western bloc, right? 41:48 Oh, 41:49 and it's not just the Western bloc, it 41:52 means facing the Jewish bloc power. In 41:55 the end, it's him again and again. 42:00 Well, from there, the problem is the 42:03 issue I mentioned earlier: there's the 42:06 5Fs: there's fire, industrial, 42:08 financial, view, food, and frequency, 42:11 right? 42:14 Well, what's the indicator? Just look 42:16 at Turkey. Turkey doesn't depend on its 42:18 frequency from the West, what's the 42:20 point? Turkey's ICT can free itself 42:23 from Western intervention. Why? Because 42:26 it's playing with Ukraine. For example, 42:30 a simple example. 42:32 BP is playing with Ukraine. 42:35 Oh. 42:36 So, if in Indonesia it's known as 42:38 WhatsApp, BP is also known in Indonesia 42:39 . That's the basis of Turkey's 42:42 cooperation with Ukraine. It's 42:45 looking at it like that. So, the West's 42:48 stance, NATO's stance, and America's 42:51 stance shouldn't be seen purely 42:53 superficially. Just like now, Biden 42:57 intends to release frozen Afghan funds 43:00 for humanitarian reasons. Yes. Then 43:07 Canada, Canada, and several other 43:09 countries provided planes for the 43:11 Taliban opposition so that those who 43:12 want to leave the Taliban, Afghanistan, 43:14 can get facilities to leave. That 43:17 shouldn't be seen purely as 43:19 humanitarian aid. There's 43:20 no free lunch, after all. 43:23 Yes. No freelance work. 43:27 Masyaallah. Wow, we've already talked 43:31 for 45 minutes, Bang. It's time to wrap 43:33 things up. What's your 43:34 final message, Bang? One minute to 43:38 close this morning. Please, Bang Isand 43:41 Nursi. 43:43 Uh, I see, once again, if we use 43:54 Al-A'raf about livestock and being more 43:57 astray than livestock. Huh. uh, that 44:01 you are actually like livestock, even 44:04 more astray. But it concludes with the 44:08 sentence, "Indeed, they are a negligent 44:10 group." 44:11 If we use the methodology of the Qur'an 44:14 , the methodology of wasatan, and the 44:16 methodology of mizan, then in fact the 44:19 Muslim community in the world, 44:21 especially in Indonesia, especially 44:23 those who still adhere to the principle 44:26 of amantu billah wa yaumil akhir (the 44:28 final judgment) must be in possession 44:31 of vigilance, meaning, and that level 44:33 of vigilance. I use those sentences 44:36 because Alarf, when speaking kalam 44:38 kalsadid (the final judgment), the 44:41 sentence ends with gofilin (the final 44:43 judgment). They are a weak people, a 44:46 careless people. This means that in 44:50 reality, the community that amantu 44:52 billah waumil akhir (the final judgment 44:55 ) is a community that must be very 44:58 strong in vigilance, and their level of 45:00 vigilance is not vigilance in terms of 45:03 hours, 45:05 but vigilance in terms of seconds. 45:08 Because they have played at a level of 45:10 technological sophistication where 45:12 changes can be made in terms of seconds 45:15 to minutes to hours. That could be a 45:18 simple example of what happened 45:20 yesterday when Magzakbuh was completely 45:22 defeated by themselves or Elon Mas was 45:24 also beaten by them, in that 45:25 environment. Or let's say, eh, some 45:28 circles still question the US trade 45:30 agreement with China, where China can 45:33 still put up resistance and the 45:35 analysis is that China still cannot 45:37 grow. It turns out China can still be 45:39 positive. That's if the analysis is 45:42 fair, or Saudi Arabia is already 45:44 allowed to use metaverses for Umrah and 45:47 Hajj. We were talking about it three 45:50 weeks ago, and now people are making a 45:51 fuss. 45:53 Yes, we were talking about it three 45:55 weeks ago, a month ago. This 45:58 means that Muslims who truly adhere to 46:01 the final decree are truly asked to be 46:05 vigilant. What kind of vigilance should 46:08 be exercised? Vigilance to avoid 46:11 engaging in the Al-Baqarah 120 strategy 46:14 , 46:16 to avoid engaging in worldly trade. 46:22 Meanwhile, Allah offers trade in the 46:25 afterlife, which translates as worldly 46:28 success. 46:30 Allah offers three offers there. The 46:33 first offer is that you may transact 46:35 with other parties, but by transacting 46:37 capital, you become a negligent people. 46:40 You are amazed by the wealth of your 46:42 descendants, livestock, wealth, and 46:44 vehicles. Then you become like animals. 46:48 Yes, that's because it's shown in 46:50 material things. With me, the real 46:53 transaction is actually a transaction 46:55 about faith. The exchange of Muslims 46:59 takes a stance of faith that seems to 47:02 dictate that. The path of worship to 47:05 Allah is then considered and determined 47:07 to be the most correct path for the 47:09 hereafter. But then it also succeeds in 47:12 the worldly world. 47:14 That transaction is clearly emphasized. 47:17 I use the term transaction because it 47:19 is indeed traded, exchanged. Now, when 47:24 they use the Albaqarah 120 strategy or 47:26 other Albaqarah strategies, they always 47:28 attack, causing us to become lost in 47:31 the trading methods they have 47:33 established. What are the indicators? 47:36 The use of money, the use of usury 47:38 strategies, the use of all means of 47:40 obstruction to gain power and wealth. 47:44 So, in their political language, they 47:47 use democracy based on individual 47:49 liberalism. In their economic language, 47:53 they use free market mechanisms, and 47:56 then they no longer distinguish between 47:58 factory goods and commercial goods. 48:02 Which are hajati goods, which are 48:04 commercial goods. They are all based on 48:07 the power of capital. H. 48:09 Now, we must be vigilant here. What 48:11 does it mean to be vigilant? It means 48:13 we must be vigilant within the 48:14 geopolitical and political economic 48:16 framework, 48:17 within the macro framework. What is the 48:19 micro framework? We absolutely must 48:20 abandon the usury system of capital. 48:22 There's no way around it. We must 48:24 abandon it. 48:25 Because Allah and His Messenger will 48:27 fight it with clear pillars. While 48:29 we're hearing the OJK report about 48:32 online loans, I'm deeply saddened. 48:35 Hearing that the government has become 48:37 accustomed to debt, it's almost like 48:38 the water flows downstream. Heh. 48:41 Well, this is what we must address. 48:43 That means the level of vigilance that 48:45 Allah requires in the final day of the 48:47 Prophet (peace be upon him) for those 48:50 who truly do not associate with Allah 48:52 must be improved. Eh, that improvement 48:55 in the quality of enjoining good and 48:56 forbidding evil. 48:58 I think that's my answer as I conclude 49:00 our dialogue this morning. 49:03 Any mistakes are certainly my 49:04 responsibility, and I apologize to 49:06 Allah and all the listeners and viewers 49:08 . May Allah forgive us, and the viewers 49:11 and listeners forgive me, and amen. 49:14 Ihsan Talib and the crew, may we remain 49:16 under His protection and blessings. May 49:17 Allah grant us guidance and guidance. 49:18 May Allah grant us guidance and 49:19 guidance. May Allah grant us guidance 49:20 and guidance. Asalamualaikum 49:21 warahmatullahi wabarakatuh. May 49:23 the peace, mercy, and blessings of 49:25 Allah be with you too. 
