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0:08 Brail TV. 0:16 >> Peace be upon you, Bang Dul. How are 0:18 you? 0:19 >> And peace be upon you too, Mas Ihsan. 0:23 Thank God, I am healthy. This is what 0:26 we want to know, Bang Dulah. It is 0:29 September 30th and October 1st, and now 0:32 it continues. But the memories of Bang 0:36 Abdullah Hehamahua, who has stories 0:39 from various regions, might remind us 0:41 again of the danger that Anwar Abbas 0:44 mentioned, that poverty is the cause 0:47 for communism to move. Many young 0:50 people ask, "Does communism really 0:51 still exist?" Maybe Bang Dulah can 0:53 explain later. But what happened with 0:56 Gibran that became a spotlight? I 0:59 remember Bang Dulah demonstrating alone 1:01 at Monas. Extraordinary. What happened 1:05 with what about our KPU? People even 1:09 said, "Where is the FPI leadership? 1:12 They were furious at others, but lost 1:14 to one senior person." What do you see 1:17 in our country, Bang Dulah? The 1:19 struggle continues. Meanwhile, the 1:22 prisons are already at 187%of their 1:26 capacity. How many is that? 274,000. 1:30 Bang Dulah was inside one of them if 1:33 I'm not mistaken. What is happening in 1:35 these prisons, Bang Dulah? The Director 1:38 General of Prisons, Mr. Reynhard, has 1:41 resigned. It's rare for someone from 1:44 such a position to resign. Yes, yes, 1:47 Bang Dul. Maybe that is what I can ask, 1:51 and what is Bang Dul's comment on the 1:54 recent cabinet reshuffle involving at 1:57 least six national officials. Please, 2:01 Bang Abdullah Hehamahua, join us for 2:03 the next 30 minutes. Please, Bang. 2:08 Alright, fellow listeners who are 2:10 hopefully blessed by Allah Ta'ala on 2:11 this blessed Friday morning. First of 2:16 all, I entered the Faculty of 2:19 Engineering at Unhas 2:22 >> in August 1965. 2:26 >> '65. 2:27 >> And at that time, the new academic year 2:30 for university did indeed start in 2:33 August. Yes. 2:36 >> Then I continued by joining the 2:38 orientation program, which was 2:40 extraordinary. After that, there was a 2:44 registration or campaign for HMI to 2:47 join HMI. Yes. 2:49 >> So, I joined HMI and then participated 2:51 in what was called Maperja, the 2:53 introduction period for prospective 2:55 members. 2:56 >> That was from the 29th 2:59 >> of September until October 1st. So on 3:02 the 30th, September 30th, 3:05 >> we were attending the introduction 3:07 period for prospective members. 3:12 >> And the next day, October 1st, we were 3:14 informed that there had been the murder 3:16 of six generals and one high-ranking 3:18 officer. 3:20 >> of the Army. 3:22 >> Then demonstrations, demonstrations, 3:24 and more demonstrations happened. At 3:28 that time, because I was already an HMI 3:31 member living at the HMI secretariat, I 3:34 joined my friends to make banners 3:36 saying "Disband the PKI" and so on, and 3:39 hung the banners on poles; I used to 3:42 climb trees and things like that. 3:46 >> Then we were chased by people loyal to 3:48 Soekarno and the authorities. 3:50 >> Yes. 3:52 >> Until finally, in 1967, there was an 3:55 instruction from our central leadership 3:57 ; at that time, the Presidium Chair was 4:00 Cosmas Batubara and the Secretary 4:03 General was Mar'ie Muhammad, and then 4:05 we in the Jakarta Student Action Front 4:08 were led by 4:10 >> Fahmi 4:11 >> Idris. 4:11 >> Fahmi Idris, something like that. So we 4:14 departed from there, us, the KAPI from 4:16 South Sulawesi and all over Indonesia. 4:20 Then we came to Jakarta to stay, we 4:22 stayed in the West Jatinegara area, 4:24 there was a complex there like that. 4:28 >> Long story short, from March 8th to 4:31 11th, 1967 4:34 >> we demonstrated from UI, walking all 4:36 the way to Senayan, distributing 4:38 posters so that the parliamentary 4:39 members would topple Soekarno on March 4:41 11th. On the night of '67, it was 4:46 decided that Soekarno would be removed, 4:49 and then Soeharto was appointed as 4:51 acting president, and then a year later 4:54 he was named president 4:57 >> definitively, like that. So, that was 5:00 my experience with the 13th PKI event. 5:04 Now, why do I hate the PKI or communism 5:09 ? Yes. 5:11 >> It’s not just because I was directly 5:13 involved in Makassar, but one of my 5:15 uncles was hung by the PKI in the 5:17 village, in the forest, feet up, head 5:19 down. Like that. Then his older brother 5:23 , who was also my uncle, was forced to 5:25 cut off his own ears and forced to eat 5:27 them, like that. So that is, what is it 5:31 called? Yes. 5:32 >> How my experience was when I was small, 5:34 still in elementary school, 5:36 >> I knew stories like that. 5:38 >> Yes. 5:40 >> If people now say that the PKI no 5:42 longer exists, the PKI organization is 5:45 gone, but communism is alive and even 5:47 more fertile 5:49 >> than before. 5:51 >> More fertile than before, Mas. More 5:55 >> PSI is a new-model Communist Party 5:59 >> which is then led by Jokowi's son 6:04 >> and then controlled and raised by 6:06 Jokowi, and don't forget that Jokowi's 6:08 parents were PKI. 6:10 >> Hm. 6:11 >> Yes. I already asked one of the 6:14 residents of Jokowi's original village. 6:18 Jokowi isn't originally from Solo, 6:19 right? 6:20 >> What was the village, I forgot, in 6:22 Central Java. 6:23 >> He went there and asked the old people 6:25 from Jokowi's father's generation. Is 6:27 it true that Jokowi's father was PKI? 6:29 They said it's true, his father, and 6:31 his mother was Gerwani, and she was 6:32 only released from prison about 15 6:34 years ago, like that. 6:36 >> Yes, that's right. So because of that, 6:39 communism operates in what form? 6:43 >> In the form of China's and America's 6:46 control over our economy, our politics, 6:48 our education, and so on, like that. So 6:53 Pak Anwar Abbas is right that communism 6:55 is fertile when the people of a country 6:58 are poor. That is the reason why when 7:04 the 2024 Presidential Election campaign 7:07 offered free nutritious meals, they won 7:11 , like that. Because our society is 7:14 indeed a poor society, like that. 7:17 Offered bread, offered rice, offered 7:20 50,000 rupiah, problem solved, like 7:22 that. 7:24 >> Yes. And then the issue we know about 7:27 the Free Nutritious Meal happened. That 7:30 is a PKI issue. So 7:34 >> if the young generation doesn't 7:36 understand communism, 7:39 >> it must be known, Mas Ihsan, that when 7:42 the PKI figures were arrested, 7:44 imprisoned, killed, and so on, their 7:47 children were saved by being sent to 7:50 Islamic schools. 7:52 >> Oh. 7:52 >> Whether it's madrasas? Whether 7:55 ibtidaiyah, tsanawiyah, or even 7:57 entering foundations. Hm. 8:00 >> Mas Ihsan still remembers? 8:02 >> Yes. 8:03 >> The rector of UIN Jogja a few years ago 8:06 approved a doctoral candidate's 8:09 dissertation that justified same-sex 8:11 marriage. 8:13 >> Yeah. And then, he was appointed by 8:17 Megawati as the leader of the 8:20 institution formed by Megawati, the 8:23 Pancasila institution. Is it like that? 8:27 >> Yeah. So that, that is alive right now. 8:33 Now, then we know that 8:37 >> one of the DPR members from the PDP 8:40 proudly wrote a book, "I Am Proud to Be 8:43 a Child of the PKI." Yeah. 8:46 >> And nothing was done about it by Jokowi 8:48 when he became president. 8:51 >> In fact, one of the other DPR members 8:53 from the PD also said, "Well, if my 8:56 father was PKI, why..." 8:58 >> That was her, she challenged people 9:00 like that, the one who is an artist, 9:02 that female artist. 9:03 >> Yes, that's right. So, that is the 9:07 issue that must be understood, that the 9:10 PKI as an organization may not exist, 9:13 but communist teachings have entered 9:15 everywhere—to mosques, to Islamic 9:18 boarding schools, and to all lines of 9:20 society. 9:22 >> So that is the PKI matter. Yes. 9:25 >> Uh, 9:25 >> the second is about Gibran. This Gibran 9:30 , 9:30 >> last month, 9:31 >> this, this 9:33 >> I attended a seminar on Asian mosques 9:36 and the defense of the Palestinian 9:39 people 9:41 >> in Malaysia, yes, if 9:42 >> I and several other people were there 9:43 from 9:44 >> from, there was Ustaz Agus Sudarmaji, 9:46 the one who gave the lecture this 9:48 morning, right. 9:49 >> Right. 9:50 >> Now, next to me at that time 9:53 >> was a participant from Singapore. 9:55 >> Yeah. 9:56 >> I asked him, "Do you know?" Yeah. " 9:59 >> Ustaz, do you know Gibran, the Vice 10:01 President of Indonesia?""Yes, I know, 10:03 from the media and all sorts of things. 10:05 " 10:06 >> Yeah. " 10:07 >> I heard he once studied in Singapore." 10:10 He said he didn't study at a university 10:12 , he just took an English course. 10:14 >> Hm. 10:16 >> This person from Singapore just, what's 10:18 it called, 10:21 >> told me last month, like that, in Ipoh, 10:23 Malaysia. Yeah. 10:25 >> So, a course is different from 10:27 university, right, like that. 10:29 >> School. 10:31 >> Hm. Yes. 10:32 >> So the problem now is, 10:35 >> is the Constitutional Court (MK) going 10:37 to use their conscience or not? 10:39 >> Yeah. 10:40 >> Or does the Constitutional Court want 10:42 to redeem their sins of previously 10:43 approving it through his uncle? 10:46 >> Uh, what's it called? So that it was 10:49 changed like that. Even though if you 10:53 calculate it mathematically, those who 10:54 agreed on that for regional heads were 10:56 only a few people. Yeah. 10:59 >> Uh, and then how many people disagreed, 11:02 so in total, the majority of 11:04 Constitutional Court members actually 11:06 disagreed. 11:09 >> Even if it was only for regional heads. 11:12 >> But because his uncle was already 11:13 tasked with pushing it through, it 11:15 happened like that. Now, because of 11:19 that, I think the public needs to 11:21 support the process of, what is it 11:23 called, judicial review. 11:26 >> Uh, what is it called, uh, 11:28 >> about the disqualification status, 11:31 right, sir? How 11:34 >> is the disqualification, according to 11:36 the opinion of the legal expert from 11:38 that university earlier? Constitutional 11:40 law, Mr. Karen said that later, this 11:43 will have to have a replacement. But 11:46 how does our constitution regulate this 11:49 ? 11:50 >> If, for example, the Constitutional 11:52 Court decides on disqualification, 11:54 >> then that Constitutional Court decision 11:55 is brought to the MPR, right? 11:57 >> Oh yes. 11:57 >> Brought to the MPR. Then the MPR will 12:00 convene to decide. Now, because of that 12:04 , I already said some time ago that it 12:06 depends on the president. 12:08 >> Yeah. 12:09 >> Is the president serious 12:11 >> about wanting to give his cabinet. 12:14 >> So if the president is serious, the 12:16 presidential coalition is the majority 12:18 in the MPR, 12:20 >> DPR. That means a solid majority of 50 12:24 plus 1, so then Gibran can be removed 12:27 just like that. 12:30 >> The only remaining issue is the 12:33 internal scramble over who will be what 12:39 >> is this a matter of, what's it called, 12:42 people or outsiders from Gerindra, or 12:45 is that a whole other chapter? He 12:50 >> yes. But if you look at the reshuffles 12:54 carried out recently, 12:55 >> yes. 12:56 >> I am, I am doubtful about Prabowo. 13:01 >> He’s just spinning things around, yes 13:02 , spinning them around. Go on. 13:04 >> Yes. I am worried, as one doctor 13:08 suggested, that Prabowo suffers from 13:10 some kind of mental illness. 13:13 >> Why, why is that? 13:16 >> Not even 2 years, not even 2 years yet, 13:18 seven reshuffles. Hm. 13:21 >> As bad as Soekarno might have been, as 13:23 bad as Soeharto and others, there were 13:25 never seven reshuffles in under two 13:28 years, or say in two years. 13:30 >> That means 13:32 >> Prabowo does not understand the concept 13:35 of state management. 13:38 >> In management science, the public, the 13:40 listeners, surely know it's called 13:44 >> planning, 13:46 >> then organizing, then controlling. 13:52 >> So, it means that before becoming 13:53 president, during the campaign and so 13:55 on, there should have been a plan, 13:57 right? 13:59 >> Already had a plan 14:01 >> that if I become president, there will 14:03 be so many ministers, then this, that, 14:06 and so on. 14:07 >> I always tell my students, Mas Ihsan, 14:10 that 14:11 >> America has a population of 400 million 14:13 , 14:14 >> it has 16 ministers. China has 1.2 14:18 billion in population, 14:20 >> it has 36 ministers. 14:23 >> We 14:24 >> have 285 million in population, yet 14:27 ministers, deputy ministers, and heads 14:30 of agencies total 102 people. 14:33 >> So, where is the theory for that? That 14:37 kind of efficiency theory. 14:39 >> It’s all just shaky like that. 14:43 Therefore, what shocks me the most— 14:46 well, actually I’m not shocked, but 14:49 I’m just ready for it. 14:52 >> I’m just prepared. The National 14:55 Police Chief, who is considered part of 14:56 Sambo’s gang, General who 14:58 killed, what was it? Five, five 15:02 >> oh yes 15:03 >> five of the ARS guards at KM 50. Yeah. 15:06 >> So, the public had already demanded 15:09 that there be a reshuffle, that the 15:11 Police Chief be replaced, and so on, 15:14 >> but instead, he was placed in a very 15:16 strategic position, as Chief of the 15:17 Presidential Staff. 15:20 >> The National Police Chief is on the 15:22 outside, 15:23 >> but this is on the inside, in the heart 15:25 of the palace. 15:27 >> So, this is even worse than being the 15:30 National Police Chief. Because the 15:33 National Police Chief is under the 15:35 president, and in that institution 15:37 there are deputy chiefs and what not, 15:40 >> chiefs of staff, and so on. But this is 15:43 straight to the palace, Chief of Staff 15:46 >> to the President. So, 15:48 >> that is the problem that is happening. 15:52 >> The third one. 15:54 >> Yes. Oh yes, besides the reshuffle, 15:56 there’s the "no viral, no justice" 15:58 issue, the police matter, right. But 16:01 there is also news from the police that 16:03 Budi Prasti, the KPK spokesperson, is 16:04 being questioned by the Jakarta Metro 16:06 Police. How is this, Bang Dulah? It 16:10 seems the supremacy of the KPK is 16:12 already being disturbed by this 16:14 investigation. What do you think, Bang 16:16 Dulah? 16:18 >> So people hope that the new Police 16:21 Chief can 16:23 >> become something good. Then some said 16:27 he is from Banten, and so on, 16:30 >> ee then I said 16:33 >> according to KPK data, the province 16:35 with the worst corruption is Banten. 16:37 >> Uh. 16:40 >> First, the governor. 16:41 >> Oh, yes, yes. That family, 16:44 >> a whole group. Yeah. 16:46 >> How many regents, then the Mayor of 16:48 Tangerang, and so on, and it's ranked 16:51 first. Ranked first, Banten. Banten is 16:54 e corrupt. Yeah. So I said there is no 16:57 guarantee that because someone is from 16:59 Banten—Aceh people, surely the first 17:01 one in the KPK was from Aceh, the 17:02 governor of Aceh was like that. 17:05 >> The first case 17:06 >> this is the veranda 17:08 >> Aceh is the veranda of Mecca, then 17:09 Banten is the veranda of Medina, right, 17:11 like that. So, so 17:14 >> eh 17:15 >> Mas Insan, I remember in 2007, if I'm 17:17 not mistaken, I was still at the KPK on 17:20 assignment to Banda Aceh 17:22 >> ee socialization and technical guidance 17:24 >> the participants were ee teachers 17:27 >> ee ustaz and ustazah (Islamic teachers) 17:28 . 17:29 >> I presented for an hour, then one of 17:32 the ustazah asked, "Mr. Abdullah, how 17:34 can a Quran hafiz be corrupt?" 17:38 >> At that time 17:39 >> the former Minister of Religious 17:40 Affairs had just been arrested, right. 17:42 And he was a Quran hafiz. 17:44 >> Honestly, at that time, Mas Isa, I 17:45 couldn't answer. Yes. How can a Quran 17:48 hafiz, how could he? 17:51 >> Then I seemed to receive guidance from 17:54 God like that. I recounted my 17:55 experience when teaching in Singapore. 17:58 Hm. 17:59 >> At noon, during the break, I went to 18:00 eat at a Warteg (small eatery). A 18:02 Singaporean Warteg. Ee walked about 200 18:05 meters or so. Turned 18:07 >> a house at a large corner. Someone said 18:10 greetings. Assalamu'alaikum. 18:11 Assalamu'alaikum. Ee I immediately 18:12 replied wa'alaikumsalam. I realized 18:14 there was no one there, but I just kept 18:15 walking to eat. Coming back, it said 18:18 greetings again. I looked at the window 18:21 and door, there was no one. Who gave 18:22 the greeting? Ah, I was curious because 18:24 I had to teach again, so I returned and 18:26 met a young man. What's the matter, 18:28 brother? 18:29 >> I said I just passed that house and 18:31 someone gave a greeting, but there was 18:33 no one. The young man said, "Oh, 18:35 brother, that's a Malay person's house. 18:37 If in Malaysia, people still think 18:39 Malay means Muslim." H 18:41 >> Singapore, Malays are starting to be 18:42 Muslim. 18:43 >> I 18:43 >> all their guests are Malay; morning, 18:45 noon, afternoon, night, every time 18:47 someone comes they say greetings, and 18:49 he has a parrot. 18:51 >> So that parrot 18:52 >> morning, noon, afternoon, night, heard 18:54 the greetings. So the parrot said 18:56 greetings. Whenever someone passed by 18:58 the front of the house, the parrot 18:59 would say greetings. That was my answer 19:03 to that ustazah in Banda Aceh, that if 19:06 a Quran hafiz does not practice what he 19:09 has memorized, is he any different from 19:12 a parrot that can say greetings? 19:15 >> Ah, so therefore 19:17 >> the new Police Chief is from Banten, 19:20 there is no guarantee that he can then 19:22 ee do things well. Even the data that 19:25 exists says he is also part of the Solo 19:27 gang or whatever it's called. And when 19:29 he was at the Jakarta Metropolitan 19:31 Police, he was the guy who arrested 19:32 demonstrators. So, therefore, it 19:39 returns to the people, to the public, 19:42 and to mass organizations and political 19:45 parties to oversee this situation. 19:50 >> Until the MPR session, the MPR special 19:53 session to remove Gibran and replace 19:55 him for the remaining two or three 19:58 years, at least to accompany Prabowo so 20:00 there is no chaos. Because in Indonesia 20:04 , in America, and everywhere, a vice 20:06 president is just a spare, just a 20:08 sidekick for suffering. But there is no 20:12 need to make a scene here and there 20:14 like that. 20:15 >> Well, that's it. Now, Bang Dula, 20:20 >> based on your experience as an inmate, 20:23 what do you see at Cipinang, where our 20:26 occupancy rate is 187%? And 53%are 20:31 people affected by drugs. This is 20:34 extraordinary, 274 people being caged, 20:38 packed like sardines. It’s very 20:41 crowded. Almost double the capacity. 20:45 What do you think about the Director 20:46 General of Corrections, Mr. Reynhard, 20:48 resigning? Go ahead, Bang Dula. 20:52 >> My personal experience when I was a 20:53 student in Makassar was protesting and 20:55 demonstrating and all that. 20:58 >> Then, as a reporter for Tabloid Kami, 21:03 >> I was put in a cell two or three times, 21:05 usually for 3 days, 21:07 >> at most a week, 21:09 >> but not 74 times. Well, I was then 21:13 detained at Karabusi prison, which 21:15 doesn't exist anymore; it was torn down 21:18 and moved, and I was imprisoned for 21:20 about two years. That is where I 21:23 learned. So when prisoners in Cipinang 21:27 escaped years ago, over a decade ago, I 21:30 wasn't surprised because of my 21:32 experience in prison. And so then, 21:36 >> uh, 21:37 >> when someone from the outside isn't on 21:39 drugs, inside the prison, they become 21:41 addicted. 21:43 >> Yeah. Then outside, they aren't 21:45 homosexual. In prison, they are 21:47 homosexual. 21:48 >> Outside, they aren't lesbian, but in 21:50 prison, they become lesbian. Like that. 21:53 >> And because I was detained as a 21:55 journalist at the time, my professional 21:57 work as a reporter continued even while 21:59 I was in prison. Uh, 22:01 >> so if someone, 22:03 >> ah, was writing, 22:05 >> who just returned from a trial, I would 22:07 interview them, asking who the 22:09 prosecutor was, who the judge was, and 22:12 so on. 22:13 >> Now, one person, 22:15 >> whom I knew very well, 22:19 >> his wife back then wore a hijab, which 22:22 was still rare and unusual at the time. 22:26 She wore a headscarf like people in the 22:30 village do. Yeah. 22:33 >> And then her husband, let's say, was 22:36 like an ustaz. 22:38 >> Yeah. 22:40 >> Suddenly, about a year into us being in 22:41 prison, his wife came and she was 22:42 pregnant. 22:44 >> Yeah. 22:45 >> Well, I thought, we've been in prison 22:47 for a year, how is she pregnant? If it 22:51 were a few months and then she was 22:53 pregnant, it could be that the process 22:55 happened while he was still outside. 22:58 >> But it had been a year inside, and then 23:00 she became pregnant. I wondered, how 23:03 could this woman be pregnant when she 23:05 wears a headscarf? 23:06 >> I then investigated it. 23:09 >> So every Monday 23:11 >> this person asks for permission to go 23:13 to the hospital. 23:14 >> Oh 23:14 >> go to the hospital. Oh. 23:16 >> Well, I am serious. Then upon arriving 23:18 at the hospital, they have a doctor's 23:19 checkup, and the prosecutor who 23:21 escorted them returns to the prison. 23:24 Then, uh, this person goes to their 23:26 house before 4:00 because the check-in 23:28 time is at 4:00 PM. So they get to meet 23:33 for 2 or 3 hours there, automatically 23:35 meeting every week, and then it's over. 23:40 >> It’s already a settled matter. 23:41 >> Now, that's what happens in prison. Now 23:44 , this one is at the police station in 23:46 Makassar. A friend who lived there told 23:50 me that 23:51 >> I couldn't take it anymore. So I just 23:54 gave some money to the police at that 23:56 station. At the station, they would 23:59 provide a side room for his wife to 24:01 come and, you know, spend time there. 24:04 So what happened in Cibinong, and then 24:07 years ago in the KPK trial in Bandung, 24:10 it’s always, what do you call it, uh 24:15 >> uh always like that, and it's a 24:18 business inside. A friend of mine was 24:21 arrested some years ago and detained at 24:23 the National Police Headquarters. Then 24:26 he called me. I said, "Are you free yet 24:29 , brother?" Wait, how come? How are you 24:31 able to call? 24:33 >> Well, things inside can be arranged 24:34 with the officers. So, by paying a 24:38 certain amount, you can get a phone or 24:40 borrow one and so on. 24:43 >> That is why I often say that in Islam, 24:45 there are no prisons. Oh, 24:48 >> The Prophet never built a prison, did 24:50 he? 24:51 >> None exist. What existed were detention 24:53 centers. What existed were detention 24:54 centers 24:55 >> for captives. Captives were just held. 24:58 Then, if someone could teach reading 25:01 and writing, they were set free. Some 25:04 were redeemed and set free like that. 25:05 So there are no prisons, only detention 25:07 . That is why the Quran mentions 25:10 corporal punishment. So, in Al-Ma'idah 25:14 38, if a Muslim man or woman steals, 25:17 their hand is cut off. 25:20 >> In Al-Ma'idah 33, if they cause 25:22 destruction like natural disasters and 25:25 so on, they are killed, crucified, or 25:28 have their right foot and left hand or 25:30 right hand and left foot cut off. 25:34 >> This way, there is no cost incurred to 25:36 manage prisons and so on. Therefore, in 25:40 my book, "Jihad to Eradicate Corruption 25:43 ," I say that even if Islamic law 25:45 hasn't been applied yet, at least 25:47 judges could sentence them to 6 months 25:50 wearing a t-shirt 25:53 >> saying "I am a corruptor," walking on 25:55 Sudirman Road, Thamrin Road, cleaning 25:56 things up, and so on. Then they are put 26:00 on the Thousand Islands for several 26:01 months where no one can visit except 26:03 law enforcement officers. If they 26:06 survive there, then they can be saved. 26:09 If not, they might commit suicide, or 26:11 they are then put into 26:14 >> palm oil plantations or rubber 26:16 plantations like that. He works there, 26:19 he receives one-third of his salary for 26:21 himself, and two-thirds go toward 26:23 repaying the state for his corruption 26:25 losses. Yes. 26:27 >> For how many years until a change in 26:29 behavior occurs, so he returns like 26:31 that, resulting in no burden on the 26:33 state, no state expenditure, no state 26:35 waste, and then the society will... 26:39 >> understand 26:40 >> why his hand is missing. Oh, he stole. 26:42 Why? So that is a direct impact on the 26:45 market 26:45 >> yes. Because right now, brother, they 26:47 just change their sleeping place, 26:49 change their place of residence in 26:51 >> already gone in three times and can 26:53 still become a member, what, an 26:55 official again, right? Yes. There are 26:58 those who have gone to prison several 27:00 times and still get elected to the DPD 27:02 like that. 27:04 >> So 27:05 >> that is the problem if we do not return 27:07 to the 1945 Constitution which is 27:09 regulated in Article 29 paragraphs 1 27:12 and 2, it would be solved, Brother Is. 27:15 >> Masyaallah. 27:16 >> That’s how it is, brother. 27:16 >> Thank you, Brother Dula. Final words 27:19 that the listeners are waiting for. 27:21 What would you like to remind this 27:22 nation of, Brother Dula? At least the 27:25 listeners of the Silaturahim radio in 27:27 27 countries and from Aceh to 27:29 Banyuwangi. Please, Brother Abdullah. 27:31 Yes, Alhamdulillah. 27:34 >> Brother Ian and the listeners. For 27:39 example, if you want to go shopping 27:44 anywhere from home 27:47 >> to that shopping place. Whether it's at 27:51 a small shop or what? Yes. 27:53 >> Let's say it's perhaps 500 meters or 27:56 300 meters, 27:59 >> you cannot get there if you do not step 28:01 out of the house. 28:04 >> Walk 1, 2, 3, 100, 1,000 steps like 28:07 that. 28:08 >> Yes. 28:08 >> Therefore, the philosophy must be 28:13 >> Innamal a'malu bin-niyyat (deeds are by 28:14 intentions). The intention is to be a 28:17 good person, a good Muslim, a good 28:19 Muslim who becomes an inhabitant of 28:20 heaven, not an inhabitant of hell. Then 28:24 perform the first step, second step, 28:26 third step according to your ability. 28:29 That will be able to make you people 28:32 who are loved by Allah. When you 28:36 receive a temptation, trial, and so on, 28:38 then be sure that it is Allah loving us 28:41 , Allah is reminding us. Because of 28:44 that, Brother Ihsan. When I was 28:45 hospitalized last year, my children 28:48 were anxious or something of the sort. 28:51 I said, "This is a blessing that Father 28:53 receives from Allah so that all of 28:56 Father's previous sins are erased." So 29:00 when we enjoy the trials given by Allah 29:03 , especially sickness, it washes away 29:06 all the sins we have committed. Because 29:10 there is no human except the prophets 29:12 and apostles who is faultless, so we 29:14 all must be sinful. Well, that is 29:17 Allah's way of cleaning us. 29:20 >> I conclude, ladies and gentlemen, take 29:22 a step with the right intention, then 29:24 follow the stages according to your 29:26 respective abilities until reaching the 29:28 highest level. God willing, we will be 29:31 blessed in this world and the hereafter 29:33 . That’s it, brother. Thank you, 29:35 Brother Dulah. Hopefully, Allah gives 29:38 us the courage to start from ourselves. 29:41 God willing. Thank you, Brother Dulah. 29:43 Brother Dulah. Uh, see you next Friday. 29:46 Peace be upon you, and Allah's mercy 29:48 and blessings. 29:49 >> And unto you peace, and Allah's mercy 29:51 and blessings. 
