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0:08 Brail TV. 0:16 Peace be upon you, Bang Dula. 0:20 And peace be upon you too, Mas Isa. 0:24 Masha'Allah, it's a blessed Friday. May 0:26 Allah grant you health, Bang Dula. Amen 0:30 . 0:30 Amen. But it seems our country isn't 0:34 quite healthy yet. Because these 0:37 corruptors are everywhere; I don't know 0:41 , the news says it has become systemic. 0:45 This isn't just about corruptors 0:47 anymore. It’s like hunting in a zoo 0:49 now, just leaving it to fate. Some 0:52 people say it’s like that, yes. So, 0:55 what is your view, Bang Dula, on the 0:58 state of corruption in Indonesia? 1:01 Eventually, we might need to learn from 1:03 Iraq, which is doing a cleanup there. 1:05 What do you think about the 1:08 developments from the team, uh, Febri 1:13 Diansyah, the Jampidsus, who seem to be 1:18 dragging out the trail of the 1:21 corruptors 'actions? Ah, will the big 1:25 fish be dragged in too? It seems there 1:27 are political matters behind that which 1:29 are another concern. And also, Bang 1:33 Dula, we are reminded of Article 33 of 1:36 the Constitution, which is our 1:38 foundation, but it is often mentioned 1:41 while remaining far from reality. 1:45 Earlier, there was news about a shadow 1:48 cabinet. Now there is a shadow cabinet. 1:50 I wonder what role you’d have, Bang 1:51 Dula. They say corruption eradication 1:55 must shift from a reactive approach to 1:58 a comprehensive, systemic reform. But 2:01 it doesn't seem that easy, does it? 2:06 What is your take on the President 2:09 opening 10 new campuses? Pak Wahyu 2:13 Askar says this is a flaw in thinking. 2:16 Some say, when the time comes, wisdom 2:18 arrives. It's as if he's having a 2:20 revelation. Ah, please go ahead, Bang 2:22 Dula. Bang Dula, what would you like to 2:25 share? Perhaps you can enlighten the 2:28 listeners of Radio Silaturahim 2:30 everywhere this morning, from Aceh to 2:32 Banyuwangi. Please, Bang Abdullah. 2:38 Alright, to the listeners of Radio 2:40 Silaturahim who are, God willing, 2:41 blessed by Allah Ta'ala on this 2:43 auspicious Friday morning. First, 2:47 corruption cannot be committed by just 2:50 one person, Mas Isa. 2:53 Hm. 2:55 Unlike stealing a chicken, unlike 2:56 stealing a motorbike or other thefts 2:58 under Article 362 of the Criminal Code, 3:03 they can be arrested immediately. He. 3:05 But corruption must involve more than 3:08 one person, whether it's boss and 3:10 subordinate, subordinate and 3:11 subordinate, or boss and boss. That is 3:16 why the Febri Diansyah case involves so 3:20 many people, from the COVID-19 era 3:23 until now. He. 3:26 We will see later. 3:28 Maybe a dozen, maybe dozens, because 3:31 corruption cannot... 3:33 His power at that time could not move, 3:35 truly. 3:36 Truly. 3:36 Yes, it is like that. 3:38 That is what I recall. So, if the KPK 3:41 Chairman says that imprisoning people 3:45 is too costly, it shows that the KPK 3:48 Chairman does not understand the KPK 3:51 Law itself. He. 3:53 Law 30 of 2002. And Law Number 19 of 3:58 2019 stipulates five duties and 4:01 authorities of the KPK. The first is 4:06 coordination, 4:09 the second is supervision, 4:12 the third is enforcement, the fourth is 4:14 prevention, and the fifth is monitoring 4:16 . So, coordination is carried out by 4:20 the KPK regarding law enforcement 4:22 agencies and supervisory institutions. 4:27 Supervision is similarly applied to law 4:29 enforcement and supervisory bodies. So, 4:32 we have an obligation to coordinate 4:35 with the police, the prosecutor's 4:37 office, and what you call the courts, 4:40 then supervision or oversight of the 4:43 BPKP, Inspectors General 4:47 of ministries, Inspectors General of 4:48 provinces, Inspectors General of 4:50 regencies, and Inspectors General of 4:51 cities. Then enforcement. Enforcement, 4:57 based on my experience at the KPK, uses 5:02 the "big fish" criteria. 5:07 A "big fish" is, firstly, a leader. So, 5:12 even if it's only one, two, or three 5:14 billion, if they are a leader, then 5:16 what? A party leader, faction leader, 5:19 organization leader, ministry head, or 5:21 provincial leader. In the regency, that 5:24 case is taken because they are a leader 5:26 , so it is processed. 5:27 Yes. 5:28 The second is the amount of financial 5:31 loss to the state. 5:32 Yes. 5:34 So, even if it's just a regent in Papua 5:36 or a mayor in Kalimantan, if it reaches 5:38 hundreds of billions or trillions, it 5:40 is taken. And the third is the impact 5:45 on society. If you remember, Mas IS, 5:49 when we caught the, what was it? The 5:53 leader of the Buddhist community, that 5:56 case in, uh, 5:59 Central Sulawesi, it was actually, what 6:02 you call, not very big 6:05 in terms of losses to the state, but 6:09 the people's land was forcibly taken at 6:12 a low price, so the community suffered. 6:17 Now, when the KPK handled that case, 6:19 the people's land was returned, based 6:21 on the principle of acting for the 6:23 people's interest. 6:26 Now, 6:28 but then when prevention is carried out 6:31 , the costs are also high. 6:35 My experience traveling from Aceh to 6:38 Papua, socialization, and so on. then 6:41 there is anti-corruption education 6:43 everywhere, that is also substantial. 6:47 The mistake that happened at the KPK 6:50 during the Jokowi period is that after 6:53 a corruption case in an agency, a state 6:56 institution, a province, or a regency, 7:00 it was not followed by what is called 7:03 system reform. So, 7:07 that is the concept of prevention. So 7:10 if in Ministry A the minister is caught 7:12 , then KPK prevention enters to improve 7:15 the system. What system? Is it the, 7:19 what you call, accounting system, 7:21 management system, 7:23 recruitment system, and so on, so that 7:25 maybe in 10 or 20 years 7:27 it could happen again. But this didn't 7:30 happen; one year later, it happens 7:32 again, another year later, it happens 7:33 again. There is a former governor who 7:37 was in prison twice, got out, and after 7:40 a while went back to prison just like 7:42 that. now even in the presidential or 7:49 regional elections yesterday, he was 7:51 elected as a DPD member. So it's really 7:53 strange, these Indonesian people. So 7:55 already, what you call it, 7:57 already in prison twice but still 7:59 elected as a DPD member. 8:01 And 8:03 and those people who were given awards 8:06 by Prabowo, those dozens of people last 8:10 August 17th, one of them was a former 8:13 KPK patient. 8:16 Hm. Yes. And that is really strange 8:19 about Prabowo. So 8:20 then there was an issue that when the 8:23 BI Governor resigns 8:25 he will be a candidate to become BI 8:27 Governor again. Even though he is a 8:30 former KPK convict, a former KPK 8:32 patient. So I think Mr. Bow doesn't 8:35 understand 8:37 Sir, what Wahyu Askar said earlier 8:39 about flawed thinking, what does that 8:41 mean, brother? 8:44 Yes. So, uh, because I am not a doctor, 8:48 I cannot use 8:50 that term. But, uh, what is called 8:55 mental illness has stages, from the 8:58 most severe to the mildest. Well, the 9:03 mild one seems to have already, already 9:05 afflicted this Prabo. So like what 9:08 Askar mentioned earlier, what is it? 9:11 Like 9:14 for example, uh, forming the Republic 9:16 of Indonesia University, 9:19 10 Republic of Indonesia Universities 9:20 have been inaugurated. 9:21 Already inaugurated. 9:23 This is very clearly contrary to the 9:25 Higher Education Law. 9:28 Because why? I was once a head of a 9:32 college in South Sumatra wanting to 9:35 make it a university, the government 9:37 policy since the reform order is that 9:40 you cannot, there is no permit to 9:42 establish a new university unless it is 9:45 a merger. Yeah. 9:47 So, if one private foundation has two 9:50 institutions, for example, what do you 9:53 call it, a college of this, a college 9:55 of computer science, combining them is 9:58 possible. 9:59 That's possible. 10:01 So with that, uh, there cannot be a 10:04 university created without any stages, 10:07 what are those stages, first a 10:09 feasibility study. 10:11 Hm. Yeah. 10:12 That feasibility study is then marketed 10:14 , socialized, and discussed with 10:16 relevant institutions, among others, 10:18 the DPR. 10:20 Because what? Why must it be the DPR? 10:22 Because 10:23 DPR has the budgeting authority. 10:25 Yeah. 10:27 Because why must all state institutions 10:29 , when their commissioners or leaders 10:31 are chosen, be brought to the DPR? 10:35 Because the DPR has the budgeting 10:37 authority, because all those 10:38 institutions need budget funds and that 10:40 is the DPR's budgeting. Now, this 10:45 suddenly, out of nowhere, is already 10:47 inaugurated, we don't know the academic 10:50 text, the stages, and then the term 10:52 governor instead of rector. This is 10:55 strange, isn't it? Correct. Now, what 10:58 is contradictory is that it is intended 11:01 to create state officials who are, what 11:04 you call it, professional and so on. 11:08 Even though there are already 11:10 institutions, say LAN, state 11:12 institutions. 11:13 Yes, that's right. Official ones, right 11:15 . Lemhanas, right? Yes. 11:17 There's Lemhanas, there's IPDN, and so 11:20 on. 11:20 Yeah. 11:21 So, uh, what do you call it? It's not 11:24 solving problems, but adding burden 11:26 because where will the budget come from 11:28 later, like that. Right now, the 11:30 Constitutional Court's decision 11:31 yesterday, the problem is 11:34 that the government cannot take from 11:36 the education budget anymore 11:39 but until 2028. 11:43 Yes, like that. 11:45 So, therefore, this problem is a 11:48 systemic problem. Yeah. 11:51 So what Mas Isan usually says, "come 11:53 the time, come the way," like that. 11:56 This is, this is very dangerous, to the 11:59 point of disrupting the constitutional 12:01 system and so on. Yeah. 12:04 So, therefore, we should return to the 12:06 original 1945 Constitution 12:10 where, as Mas Ian said earlier, what 12:12 the state's educational obligations are 12:14 . 12:16 It provides free education, then free 12:19 healthcare, and so on. 12:21 And the same applies to Article 33; the 12:24 land, water, and 12:26 the natural resources contained therein 12:28 are controlled by the state and used as 12:29 much as possible for the public 12:31 interest. Meaning it must be 12:32 state-owned or regional-owned 12:33 enterprises, 12:35 not private companies, not oligarchs. 12:38 Private companies could be involved, 12:40 but in what capacity, so to speak? As 12:43 agents, perhaps, not 12:45 not as the primary implementers, like 12:48 that. So, in the end, what we see now, 12:52 those chaotic situations are being 12:54 exploited by political enemies. Using 12:58 the term "the public" 13:01 merely to serve their own political 13:03 interests for 2029. And this is sad, 13:07 Mas Ihsan, because 13:10 a sitting president, according to 13:12 survey results, is losing to other 13:15 people. True. 13:17 That's strange. Usually, a president's 13:20 ratings are always high, aren't they? 13:25 But here, it has actually dropped 13:27 drastically, beaten by others. And this 13:31 is because these policies always 13:34 contradict good norms, norms regarding 13:38 government regulations, and norms 13:42 regarding customs derived from the 13:45 Constitution and laws. Moreover, when 13:50 he gives a speech, oh my goodness. Uh. 13:57 Statements come out that, as wise 14:00 people say, when you point a finger at 14:04 someone, 14:06 four fingers or three are pointing back 14:09 at yourself, right? 14:10 Yes. "Londo ireng"(black Dutchman), 14:13 this and that, all sorts of things. 14:16 Eventually, people start digging up the 14:18 history of the past, 14:19 his parents, his roots, and that is 14:22 very dangerous. 14:24 So, because of that, in my opinion, the 14:27 DPR must exercise their authority 14:30 through what is called a right of 14:32 inquiry (hak angket). Right. 14:36 The DPR should use this right of 14:38 inquiry to summon the President to 14:41 explain and clarify the fundamental 14:44 reasoning based on the 1945 14:46 Constitution or existing laws for 14:48 carrying out such activities. Let's say 14:52 , 14:52 the free lunch program (MBG) was never 14:55 discussed academically in the DPR. 14:57 Never. Then also the URI, the Republic 15:01 of Indonesia University, the DPR 15:03 Speaker said they were confused about 15:05 what that was, but the DPR is already 15:08 ...well, the chairmen of the parties 15:10 control everything, many people in our 15:12 DPR are just, who knows, they can be 15:15 replaced at any time, right? So that's 15:18 the story of hundreds of people's 15:20 representatives with extraordinary 15:22 costs. I have often said that the 2019 15:28 KPK survey results showed that 49%of 15:32 DPR members are business owners, 15:37 so because they are business owners, 15:38 their orientation is business. Right. 15:42 Should laws or policies, whether made 15:44 by the DPR or the DPR with the 15:47 President, or presidential policies, be 15:49 oriented toward business? Then the 15:54 survey also found that out of the 580 15:56 elected DPR members, only 10%were 15:58 purely elected. 16:01 90%are the result of oligarchy. There 16:07 are deals, ladies and gentlemen, the 16:10 deal-making process. First, business, 16:13 uh, projects; second, the laws. That is 16:17 why there are omnibus laws, amendments 16:20 to the KPK Law, the Job Creation Law, 16:22 the Health Law, the IKN Law, and so on. 16:26 It is because those were deals, uh, 16:28 agreements between Jokowi and the 16:31 oligarchs, like that. So, therefore, my 16:35 final suggestion is for the DPR to use 16:38 their right of inquiry, and for NGOs, 16:41 mass organizations, and the campus 16:44 community to flock to the DPR and force 16:47 them to use it. Yeah. 16:50 Even though later, on top of 16:54 what do you call it? That the DPR will 16:56 have all sorts of excuses like that. Uh 17:01 , then there is a penalty from the 17:03 public, which is that in 2029, the 17:06 public should no longer vote for 17:08 parties that, you know, played a part 17:11 in ruining 17:14 the country, ruining the economy, 17:16 ruining the order of enforcement. That 17:19 is the penalty that must be given by 17:21 the public. 17:22 Good heavens. If the public just takes 17:25 50,000 or 100,000, they think, well, if 17:27 there are 10 candidates, 10 times 50, 17:29 that's enough. Now, there is a new 17:37 policy, Mas Iksan, that 17:38 personal belongings in the house will 17:41 also be taxed. Huh. 17:44 So it's not just property tax on houses 17:46 , not just land tax, not just car tax, 17:51 but TVs above a certain price, then 17:54 mobile phones will be subject to 17:56 transfer of ownership fees. But really 18:00 this is a tax matter, brother. So let's 18:02 veer off slightly, brother. Yes, MUI 18:05 recently in its meeting reminded the 18:08 Minister of Finance again, "Come on, 18:11 like the neighbor where Brother Dulah 18:14 used to live, Malaysia, try making 18:16 zakat a full tax, deposited there 18:19 through official institutions and of 18:22 course recorded, supervised, and 18:24 monitored so that it doesn't leak by 30 18:27 , 40, or 50 percent." These people 18:31 doing the economic census are exhausted 18:33 , getting cursed at in every house. I 18:36 asked, "Are you tired, sir?" He said, 18:40 how does Brother Dulah view zakat 18:42 becoming part of taxes, with management 18:45 , of course, by a zakat management 18:48 authority? Please, Brother. So I 18:53 usually tell my postgraduate students 18:56 that if I were in Indonesia, my 18:59 children wouldn't be graduates because 19:03 of the tuition costs. But in Malaysia, 19:06 thank God, all four of my children 19:08 became graduates. Why? Because they 19:11 received scholarship subsidies from 19:13 elementary school up to university. Why 19:16 ? 19:17 They get it from collected zakat. What 19:21 we call the Ministry of Religious 19:23 Affairs is called the Islamic Center 19:24 there. 19:26 So the zakat that goes into the Islamic 19:28 Center is returned to the community in 19:31 the form of scholarships. So my 19:35 children, from elementary, middle, high 19:37 school, to university, received it 19:38 because they were not citizens, except 19:40 for the youngest. So then I only paid 1 19:44 Ringgit a day 19:46 at the campus. Yeah. 19:48 So 1 Ringgit a day meant only 3,500 19:50 Rupiah at that time. 1 Ringgit. 19:53 Yes, 1,000. Now it is 4,300. 19:56 Ah, like that. 19:58 So, therefore, the zakat is returned. 20:02 Now, in Malaysia, zakat is not a 20:05 deduction 20:07 but a portion. So, for example, if I 20:09 have a tax bill of, uh, 1 million, 20:12 and I pay 500,000 in zakat, then my tax 20:15 is only 500,000. The tax is calculated 20:18 from that 500,000. Yeah. 20:21 Now, what the Indonesian government 20:23 wants to apply is, uh, what do you call 20:25 it? The 500 zakat is then only deducted 20:32 , only deducted 20:35 by 2.5%, so the tax remains high. 20:41 In Malaysia, it’s not like that. Yeah 20:42 . 20:43 With a 1 million tax bill and 500 zakat 20:45 , only the 500 is calculated for tax, 20:48 like that. 20:49 Now, 20:51 by doing that, the public will be 20:53 obedient in paying taxes and also 20:55 obedient in paying zakat. Now, when Sri 21:00 Mulyani previously gave a policy about, 21:02 what do you call it, tax exemptions, uh 21:05 , for people abroad, provided they 21:07 bring it back, what do you call it, 21:10 they wouldn't be taxed. The intention 21:14 was so they could bring it back or pay 21:17 tax. This is dangerous because 21:21 law-abiding taxpayers then think, "Oh 21:23 well, let's just wait until there's a 21:26 tax amnesty." The Rafael case that I 21:30 still remember, the Rafael one from 21:32 several years ago, it turns out he 21:34 learned from that tax amnesty policy, 21:37 he didn't pay taxes because why? He was 21:40 waiting for an amnesty later on. Like 21:43 that, it’s dangerous. 21:45 But, uh, what hasn't been paid 21:47 attention to all this time is a hadith, 21:50 a hadith I’ve checked several times, 21:52 it’s a sahih hadith, 21:54 that tax collectors will enter hell. 21:57 Yeah. 22:00 So, so imagine, this, what do you call 22:03 it, tax, from the ministers down to the 22:05 bottom, they will, what do you call it, 22:08 enter hell. Now, 22:11 my master's question is, if we don't 22:13 use taxes, what do we use to fund the 22:15 state? Zakat. There is zakat on wealth, 22:19 agricultural zakat, mining zakat, 22:21 marine zakat, and so on. Now, that’s 22:24 what I often say, we have, uh, oceans 22:26 with an economic potential of 20,000 22:28 trillion a year, so how much is the 22:30 zakat? Like that. We have 17 mines that 22:35 , if they could be managed by, what do 22:37 you call it, law enforcement or the 22:39 BUMN institutions without corruption. 22:43 Said the chairman, the former KPK 22:45 chairman, 20 million every month, we 22:47 have forests, what don't we have? It is 22:50 that zakat that, uh, could sustain the 22:52 state without, what do you call it? 22:54 Taxes. Taxes are only given or carried 22:57 out by non-Muslims, who, because they 23:00 receive protection from the state and 23:02 the government, are obligated to pay 23:05 taxes. I am a Muslim, I don't pay taxes 23:08 , I only pay zakat, like that. That is 23:10 the current, what do you call it, state 23:13 of this country. Masyaallah. Masyaallah 23:15 . 23:16 Hey, Bang Dulah. Lastly, Bang Dulah. 23:19 I’d like a comment from you, Bang 23:22 Dulah, on this verse in Al-Isra which 23:24 serves as a reminder for all of us. If 23:28 I’m not mistaken, verse 16. And when 23:31 We intend to destroy a city, We command 23:36 its affluent to obey Allah. But if they 23:41 commit disobedience within it, then the 23:44 decree of Our law rightfully applies to 23:47 it. Then We utterly destroyed that land 23:51 . What does this mean? As a final 23:54 reflection for this blessed Friday, 23:56 Brother Dula. So, it is even mentioned 24:02 in another hadith that when people 24:07 cheat on scales, cheat on measures, 24:14 then Allah sends several types of 24:16 punishment, namely long droughts. 24:20 Mashallah. 24:20 There is a hadith about long droughts, 24:23 as if nature itself is speaking. So, 24:27 for example, regarding those corruptors 24:31 , in Al-Ma'idah 33, it refers to 24:35 cheating, 24:37 what do you call it? Cheating on 24:40 measures, cheating on regulations, and 24:42 so on, such as illegal logging, illegal 24:45 fishing, illegal mining—these are all 24:47 acts of cheating. Then the Prophet said 24:51 that Allah sends one of His armies, 24:53 which is known as a long drought. Our 24:57 problem, Ihsan, is that we think 24:59 Allah's army consists only of angels. 25:02 Whereas Allah's armies are many. H 25:05 what do you call it? For the people of 25:07 Prophet Noah, Allah's army was the 25:09 flood, 25:10 a flood. 25:12 Now, for the people of ‘Ad, Allah's 25:15 army was, what was it? Thunder. Thunder 25:19 , things like that. 25:21 And for the case of 25:24 Ababil, Allah's army was the Ababil 25:26 birds which then, what? Attacked 25:29 Abraha's forces, like that. 25:31 So, Allah's army can also be in the 25:33 form of weather. 25:35 Because of that, the verse you 25:38 mentioned earlier means we must hurry 25:41 back to Allah. 25:44 And that is why in Islamic law, 25:46 corruptors or thieves are not 25:48 imprisoned, but given corporal 25:50 punishment. Corporal punishment. 25:53 If imprisoned, then what happens to the 25:55 state budget? The regional budget and 25:56 so on. But with corporal punishment, a 26:00 thief's hand is cut off; if, as 26:02 mentioned in Al-Ma'idah 33, they are 26:05 killed, crucified, 26:08 or exiled from the land. Hm. 26:11 So the cases in North Sumatra, Aceh, 26:14 West Sumatra, and others, the 26:17 punishment according to Al-Ma'idah 33 26:20 is to be killed, crucified, or exiled. 26:24 So, it is a corporal punishment, which 26:26 has an impact 26:28 in its deterrent effect, it is clear 26:31 for the public, the family, and the 26:33 person themselves, so they can perform 26:36 sincere repentance and do good deeds. 26:39 Worship and so on, so they can then 26:42 enter heaven. 26:45 That is why we must return to the Quran 26:48 and Sunnah, which are actually already 26:50 contained in the original Pancasila of 26:53 August 18, 1945. 26:56 That is actually the case, brother. 26:57 Mashallah. Thank you, Brother Dula. 27:00 Extraordinary. If we return to the 27:02 Quran, it seems 27:04 but it is not easy to persuade people, 27:07 it is indeed an effort. This radio also 27:09 continues its efforts. Just like you, 27:12 Brother Dula, even as a senior citizen, 27:14 you continue to strive to preach. 27:16 I 27:17 mashallah. Thank you, Brother Abdullah, 27:19 see you next Friday. May Allah grant 27:22 you health and blessings. 27:24 Assalamu'alaikum warahmatullahi 27:25 wabarakatuh, brother. 27:27 Wa'alaikumussalam warahmatullahi 27:29 wabarakatuh. 
