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0:09 Brail TV. 0:15 Brothers and sisters who are blessed by 0:17 Allah Subhanahu wa ta'ala. We have 0:19 arrived at our special dialogue session 0:21 for the Tuesday news edition. We are 0:24 already connected with our guest, Bang 0:27 Ihsanudin Nursi, on the line. Hello. 0:29 Assalamu'alaikum warahmatullahi 0:31 wabarakatuh, Bang Ihsanudin. 0:35 Wa'alaikumussalam warahmatullah 0:37 wabarakatuh. 0:38 How are you doing this morning, Bang 0:40 Ihsanudin? Are you healthy? 0:43 God willing. Amen. Amen. 0:48 The red date is indeed a special day 0:50 for Indonesian Muslims. Many are busy 0:53 preparing for their Mawlid events, Bang 0:56 Ihsanudin. And we also see how busy the 1:04 government is with all its 1:05 infrastructure that is currently being 1:07 held and controlled. Then we also see 1:14 how the new United States economic war 1:16 plan is shaping up. When I read a piece 1:28 of news in several online media outlets 1:30 like FK News and Newsmax, they 1:32 highlight that the new US economic war 1:34 target is truly influenced by the 1:36 actions of Iran and the positions of 1:38 countries in the Middle East, as well 1:40 as Central America. So in this media, 1:53 Bang Ihsanudin, there is a myth that 1:55 Trump is a master negotiator because he 1:57 is seen entering Asia, Europe, and 2:00 Central America. But many also refute 2:10 this because there are several people, 2:12 "whisperers" in quotes, who highly 2:14 influence what Trump says and what 2:16 policies he puts out. Now, I want to 2:28 see how Bang Ihsanudin views the United 2:30 States 'plans post-current Middle East 2:33 conditions, and also post-current 2:35 Central American conditions. And also 2:42 post-conditions involving Russia and 2:45 China, which have the same targets as 2:47 the United States. This is something we 2:52 need to look at regarding the new US 2:54 economic war plan being raised by 2:56 several Western media outlets. How do 2:58 you see it, Bang Ihsanudin? Then 3:01 secondly, Bang Ihsanudin, looking 3:03 domestically at the forest fire issue, 3:05 the government's strategy always 3:07 involves the military. The latest video 3:11 shows coordination with the military 3:13 and the police. Netizens are buzzing 3:16 about using sago or tapioca flour to 3:18 put out the fires. But many are also 3:23 highlighting whether the government can 3:25 involve people who are truly capable 3:27 and qualified to handle urgent and 3:29 important issues. Not to mention the 3:34 coordination in the regions, or the 3:36 coordination for public communication. 3:40 So, how do you see the handling of 3:42 urgent and important affairs in general 3:44 , especially those involving the 3:46 central government, Bang Ihsan? Where 3:51 exactly is the biggest obstacle? Is it 3:53 in the policy? Is it in the steps, 3:56 perhaps? And then, what is the actual 4:00 scenario while the government is busy 4:02 with matters of forest fires, disasters 4:04 , and not to mention their 4:06 image-building efforts? Netizens are 4:11 buzzing today, highlighting when Jokowi 4:13 coordinated with his supporters. There 4:17 was a code for acceleration before 2029 4:20 , it seems. The issue of the August 4:23 27th protest also came up with the 4:25 Asset Forfeiture Bill hashtag; it's 4:27 really noisy on social media. There are 4:30 parties being prepared to ride that 4:32 wave, or whatever the case may be. This 4:34 commotion, Bang Insanud, how do you see 4:37 it? Is it one path, or what is the 4:38 general outline of what this nation is 4:40 experiencing, Bang Hanudin? That’s 4:42 all, Bangudin, that we want to bring up 4:44 this morning. Please. 4:45 In the name of God, the Most Gracious, 4:47 the Most Merciful. Glory be to You, our 4:49 God. The Wise, our leader Muhammad. Our 4:57 Lord, grant us knowledge. I see the 5:10 commotion you mentioned stems from what 5:12 I have repeatedly conveyed to the 5:18 public 5:21 via TV, interviews, media, and forums. 5:27 Because the government—the 5:32 government's communication style, the 5:35 content of their communication, I say, 5:37 is not wise. 5:39 Hm. 5:41 But rather denying, insulting, denying, 5:44 and refuting. Uh. I’ll take the 5:51 example of the August 14th speech 5:53 yesterday. 5:54 Hm. The sentence goes like this. I am 5:58 not mandated by the people to submit 6:00 reports. I am mandated by the people to 6:05 work. Try to separate the act of 6:10 communicating, of submitting a report, 6:12 right? 6:13 Yeah. 6:14 From working. Try to separate that 6:15 argument. That argument, the speech’s 6:18 argument, separates those things. That 6:21 is wrong. Hm. 6:28 Those are two closely related terms: 6:30 communicating and acting. If you use 6:35 the structure of faith—the pledge is 6:42 shown through deeds, constructed with 6:44 —constructed with— 6:51 it cannot be separated. And that was 6:54 delivered in a state of the nation 6:56 address. It was delivered in a state of 7:00 the nation address. That is what I 7:03 heard, right? Because I have an 7:08 interest in listening to that speech to 7:09 see the way of thinking, the way of 7:11 delivery, and the way of communicating. 7:16 Now, uh—what logic is in the mind of 7:22 the speechwriter? 7:23 Yeah. 7:25 And I feel I could even tell who wrote 7:27 the speech. Because I understand the 7:30 sentence structure, I understand the 7:32 use of diction. 7:33 It’s already obvious. H. 7:39 I can also tell it’s as if they truly 7:41 understand the constitutional mandate. 7:48 I will truly understand the mandate of 7:50 leadership. It can’t be like that. Uh 7:55 . Yeah. How could you say that? 8:04 Masyaallah. I am—I am quite touched 8:09 when, yes. Because—uh—that can be 8:17 taken from the verse "O you who have 8:18 believed, why do you say what you do 8:20 not do?" 8:22 Hm. 8:23 It can be taken like that. But don't 8:25 look at the construction. It should 8:30 even be understood as well as possible 8:32 that someone says something and then 8:33 carries it out. A person acting means 8:37 —so don't—don't be like that. So 8:43 today, right—I want to convey to the 8:49 listeners of Rasil specifically—that 8:54 we know that—11 days ago, the 8:59 revelation of those words proves— 9:04 that the communication body that 9:06 usually appears in the media is 9:07 actually because, oh, it turns out that 9:10 indeed there are wrong communication 9:15 styles, there is incorrect 9:16 communication content. 9:19 Hm. 9:23 If you use, uh, a further method, you 9:25 can see in the construction what is 9:27 explicit, what is implicit, what is 9:30 veiled. Explicit message, implicit 9:36 message if, if we use the Quran, look 9:46 at what is said, then what is intended, 9:48 how it is done, and whether it is 9:50 framed as magic or not. Now, once it 9:56 reaches that "magic," it has arrived at 9:58 the phrase, at the meaning of implicit 10:01 and veiled messages. 10:03 Hm. 10:05 Because people then feel what is, uh, 10:07 feel what is being said. People think 10:11 about what is said, that is what is 10:13 implied, that is what is veiled. That 10:15 is an implicit message and then what is 10:19 explicit. 10:19 H 10:20 what is explicit, what is clearly 10:22 stated. If you use that method, the 10:26 explicit-implicit test method eh this 10:38 is what clashes with where digital 10:39 opens up space as wide as possible. 10:47 Hm. 10:48 Explicit and implicit information. Each 10:51 person then understands it and the 10:53 perspectivity of a person's knowledge. 11:01 Now, if today for example, the, uh, the 11:03 Pati United Community Alliance, their 11:05 account for collecting funds is frozen 11:08 by the police and then they are even 11:10 arrested, right, with the excuse of 11:12 requesting clarification with a 11:14 clarification request letter dated the 11:16 26th. uh, then 11:23 h 11:28 I think there is, there is a face of 11:30 Indonesian politics that again indeed 11:32 shows a multidimensional crisis, social 11:34 crisis, social disorder, social 11:36 disobedience. 11:40 H 11:43 political distrust, political disorder, 11:45 political disobedience. And you can see 11:49 various accounts appearing, right. 11:55 There are accounts used to talk for 11:57 other interests, to return to the '45 11:59 Constitution, to talk about challenging 12:01 the proof of falsification of the 1945 12:03 Constitution, uh, even to talk with 12:05 certain circles 12:09 ruling circles because the public 12:11 indeed has no power to face them, but 12:13 it emerges. Now, uh, all of this if I 12:20 see it, right, the commotion, that is 12:22 because the governance is not fixed 12:30 with sufficient capacity, 12:34 hm. 12:35 with sufficient capability. What is the 12:38 point? The point is because you have 12:42 taken, uh, incompetent people to carry 12:44 out the duties and responsibilities. So 12:49 if we take an analysis of main duties 12:54 and functions if that's the case, right 13:01 uh, then we must know that there is a 13:03 problematic incompetence, especially 13:05 since the Republic of Indonesia has an 13:10 agreement openly that was not 13:17 formulated well but is then accepted 13:19 that truly the Red and White cabinet is 13:21 a continuation of the cabinet of Jokowi 13:29 . 13:29 Hm. 13:30 Is a continuation of power from Jokowi. 13:32 And that continuation of power is a 13:34 continuation of power that is not 13:35 accepted by the public. 13:36 Yes. Yes. 13:38 Because of lies, because of dishonesty. 13:45 So, uh, and there it is seen, on one 13:47 hand talking about efficiency but 13:49 cabinet members are not recognized 13:53 h 13:54 by their leader. On one hand talking 13:58 about the desire to do MBG, to do 14:00 cooperatives, but the business model of 14:02 its governance is a mess. Now 14:07 that is getting, especially when it 14:08 enters into the national funds. Why do 14:11 Indonesian resources take foreigners as 14:13 their leaders like that. 14:19 So, the hubbub originates from the top. 14:23 Because the top is chaotic. Uh, I want 14:28 to say this, the year the end of the 14:35 year heading towards year 0 until the 14:37 start of the year, right. I attended 14:42 various training sessions on how we are 14:49 taught strategic planning and because 14:51 strategic planning has various schools 14:53 of thought, at least I know of five. 14:57 Hm. 14:59 One of the methods is the 15:01 decision-making method using a 15:02 leadership model. Now, what I'm talking 15:08 about in the perspective of a 15:10 quantitative and qualitative 15:11 decision-making method by referring to 15:13 leadership is mentioned there. 15:16 Hm. 15:18 One is leadership in the context of 15:20 leading people directly. So for example 15:25 , a teacher leading a class, in 15:27 research, it shouldn't be more than 24 15:29 people. 15:31 Hm. 15:32 That's research. So the research result 15:36 shows that a teacher is effective in 15:37 teaching students if there are no more 15:39 than 24. These 24 people are actually, 15:44 if seen, double how Prophet Moses was 15:46 surrounded by his 12 15:49 companions 15:51 multiplied by two. So if you use 15:54 spiritual history, you can see how 15:56 Prophet Moses was with his 12 15:57 companions 16:00 or Prophet Joseph, right, with his 11 16:02 other family members. 16:03 H 16:06 multiplied, it turns out psychology 16:08 research states that in the late 80s 16:10 and early 80s, a leader is only 16:12 effective leading 24 people. 16:15 Hm. 16:16 More than 24 people, the leadership is 16:18 ineffective. Especially 100, Ang. 16:21 Especially up to 100 like that, Angga. 16:23 Yes. Yes. 16:25 So, uh, you imagine that was my 16:27 knowledge 46 years ago. 16:30 He he. 16:36 And it's based on research that was so 16:38 deep in a country that tried to do what 16:40 is called effective leadership. At that 16:46 time, do you remember, the original 16:48 studies were studies on just-in-time, 16:50 studies on 16:52 total quality control, 16:53 studies on how management by result, 16:56 management by process, management by 16:58 target works, right. 17:00 With 17:02 uh, that at the time was the top 17:04 company doing it, an ATPM company, 17:06 right. 17:07 H 17:09 then it was studied by various circles 17:11 and taken into studies with strategic 17:12 planning. Now, the point is why my 17:16 lectures, my discussions, my seminars 17:18 everywhere I close with leadership. 17:21 He. 17:24 Now, the conclusion was that when 17:25 leadership exceeds 24 people, it will 17:28 be seen as ineffective, let alone, let 17:30 alone, right. 17:33 The quality of the leader 17:36 is already in an aging position, in a 17:41 position of aging. 17:42 Yeah. Yeah. Ah, what happens with that? 17:46 What happens is that you cannot fight 17:48 the parabolic law of age. I am not, I, 17:51 I don't use the parabolic law of years, 17:54 okay. 17:54 He. 17:55 Because there is a difference between 17:56 the parabolic law of age and the 17:58 parabolic law of years. Where is the 17:59 difference? I will explain. 18:01 H 18:03 the parabolic law of age is a parabola 18:05 where age 40 is the optimum. he will 18:11 hold out to the very end until the 18:13 level of 60 to 63, then decline 18:16 that 18:17 Yeah. Yeah. 18:19 Just like human body quality, it peaks 18:21 at 40 and holds up until a certain age. 18:27 When you lack discipline in life, lack 18:29 discipline in eating, lack discipline 18:31 in exercise, lack discipline in 18:33 thinking, and lack discipline in 18:34 feeling, then aging will accelerate. 18:39 You can see now that many young people 18:41 are getting strokes, many young people 18:43 are getting 18:44 high blood pressure. Ah, that is 18:46 lifestyle. Ah, that shows that aging 18:48 can be faster. 18:49 I 18:50 imagine if then, right, 18:52 the parabolic aging, right, is faced 18:55 with various things. People might say, 18:58 "Look at Putin now, how old is he 19:00 right. How old is Jinping 19:04 uh uh how old is Trump? How old is Pra. 19:07 " Fin. So, you can do what is called 19:10 stem cells. That is stem cell 19:13 biological technology, right. 19:16 Biological technology helps people to 19:18 facilitate cells. Facilitate, not just 19:21 facilitate, facilitate cells 19:25 so that regenerative is far more than 19:27 degenerative. But he still cannot, 19:31 cannot fight the laws of nature, the 19:33 sunnatullah laws. H 19:37 which is mentioned in the hadith, you 19:39 know. It doesn't matter, wisdom 19:41 direction. You cannot fight that what 19:45 is called the law of age is subject to 19:46 lateral linear law. 19:50 The law of lifespan is subject to 19:51 sequential quantum. But the law of age 19:55 is subject to lateral linear, which 19:56 means when someone is at a certain 19:58 limit, their leadership becomes 19:59 increasingly ineffective. Their 20:02 self-center will still run, in the end 20:04 it's like that. Self-center. 20:06 Brother Isanudin, I 20:09 uh uh uh what is it, if I enter this 20:11 jokingly, maybe joking or satire, right 20:14 . uh when explaining the age parabola, 20:17 the lifespan parabola, I remember, was 20:20 this really prepared by Jokowi for 20:22 Gibran, right. Until finally 20:27 that is what that is 20:29 until juridically and constitutionally 20:31 it was overhauled because he knew this 20:33 concept, right. Is that so? 20:37 That is what I said yesterday on August 20:39 16th 20:41 I slaughtered Jimli thoroughly. Eh, 20:44 I said I slaughtered Jimle thoroughly 20:46 because Jimle explicitly stated in the 20:48 forum regarding age not to be overly 20:50 sensitive, he talked like that. Since 20:53 he legalized, legalized Gibran to enter 20:55 the court 20:58 how? So, now that is proof of who? 21:01 Jimli. 21:01 Hm. 21:03 Well, this is because it has gone viral 21:05 , because it indeed happened in the 21:06 forum 21:07 so I am not in a position to gossip, I 21:09 am not in a position to slander, right. 21:11 Yes. Yes. 21:14 He delivered it openly at Sukur 21:15 Mandar's forum in the context of a book 21:17 discussion on guiding the revolution to 21:19 straighten Indonesia's path. He gave a 21:22 keynote speech. After the keynote 21:24 speech, he ran away, right. As usual, 21:27 he didn't want to face me, right. 21:29 He. 21:30 Uh, yes, finally I slaughtered him 21:32 there. Okay, you slaughter me, I 21:34 slaughter you thoroughly, right 21:37 yeah. No, no other story. So, if he is, 21:41 well, look, everyone finally wants to 21:44 speed things up. 21:47 Yes. 21:49 Because there is an awareness that 21:51 Gibran has fundamental weaknesses. 21:53 Yeah. 21:54 He has procedural weaknesses. Even 21:56 though it is constitutionally correct, 21:59 procedurally it is called flawed. 22:02 It is called a formal flaw. H 22:05 when people started questioning the 22:07 validity of the diploma that was 22:08 equated with 22:11 H 22:13 yes yes yes 22:15 well, in the end, it’s a formal flaw, 22:17 legally it's called a formal flaw. 22:20 H 22:23 and then, in various leadership events 22:25 as vice president, he doesn't show 22:27 competence, see, how is that a material 22:29 flaw? Now, I want to say, I want to use 22:35 your methods. I’ll follow your 22:37 methods. 22:38 Okay, I’ll follow your methods. So 22:40 I’ll use the term formal, I’ll call 22:42 the problem material. Although if you 22:44 use Islamic methodology, this is 22:45 clearly 22:47 something that is indeed not fit to 22:51 reach the position of a leader, right? 22:56 But I’ll follow it, for example, if 22:58 we look at the movement of Feri Amsari 23:00 and friends and their shadow cabinet, 23:02 the motive is to change the person, not 23:04 change the regime, not change the 23:06 system. 23:07 Yeah. 23:08 Like Fatimah Azahra’s question, 23:10 You want to change the regime, does 23:11 that include changing the system? No. 23:13 We want to change the regime. 23:15 He doesn’t realize that the problem 23:16 is the system. Look. 23:17 Hm. 23:19 Zainal Arifin Mochtar from UGM, Feri 23:22 Amsari for example. Likewise those who, 23:25 as I once told Angga, are the ones 23:26 shouting about a shadow parliament. 23:29 They are the ones shouting about, 23:31 Mashallah, right? Meaning, if we use it 23:37 now, well, today we are celebrating the 23:39 Mawlid, although there were some who 23:41 did it yesterday, and there are people 23:43 who celebrate Mawlid, not Mawlud, right 23:45 ? Mawlud, right. Mawlid. 23:47 We are celebrating Mawlid, some did it 23:49 yesterday, some are doing it today. 23:51 Yeah. Ah, that illustrates that, simply 23:55 put, we have become very contrary to 23:57 the teachings of Muhammad Rasulullah, 24:02 peace be upon him. 24:03 H 24:04 It is already contrary to his Sunnah, 24:06 that’s how you see it if you want to 24:07 take it that way. Now, why is it that 24:11 the Muslim community could fall into 24:12 the trap of being contrary to his 24:14 Sunnah? Why did they join in to vote 24:17 back then? Hm. 24:19 Even though in the letter it will be 24:21 questioned, you will be asked for 24:22 accountability, why choose a leader 24:24 like that, and is the accountability 24:26 just worldly accountability? No. 24:28 Yeah, 24:29 that is also accountability in the 24:31 afterlife. 24:34 So it means, if you enter a condition 24:36 like that, we are required to have 24:37 knowledge. We are required to have that 24:41 knowledge manifested in action. It is 24:44 not just that when knowledge is 24:46 processed into understanding, into 24:48 awareness, it must be manifested in 24:49 action. Now, the meeting yesterday 24:57 Budi Satiaji with Joko Widodo, where 24:59 Budi spoke and it went viral. 25:02 That started with a meeting with 25:04 several DPD members, right? 25:06 Yes. Who said they were visiting on 25:09 Friday, and then they held a conference 25:11 , that in the background, that is a 25:12 picture that this is not a normal 25:14 meeting, not a normal visit. 25:18 That political networking is indeed 25:20 designed with future plans in mind, 25:21 that's how it's viewed. 25:23 Yes. 25:27 But before we get there, Brother 25:29 Isanudin, because it was mentioned 25:31 earlier that knowledge and competent 25:33 quality are needed, you touched upon 25:35 leadership, citing the prophetic 25:37 example. Educational requirements are 25:41 important, and constitutionally, this 25:43 country does have educational 25:45 requirements for becoming a leader. 25:47 Yes. Correct. But education in this 25:50 country has become secular education. 25:57 In fact, yesterday, during a study 25:59 session in Tebet, 26:02 when comparing the thoughts of KTA, 26:05 Dawam Rahardjo and Ichlasul Amal. 26:07 Uh-huh. I showed who practices secular 26:10 learning in economics. I will share 26:18 later how the comparison with Rahardjo 26:20 goes, it's allowed. 26:24 I mean, because of the basic economic 26:26 thought lessons, you need to know. Now, 26:32 let's continue with the story about the 26:34 protest on asset seizure. 26:38 Uh-huh. 26:38 Seizing the assets of corruptors and so 26:41 on. 26:42 Let's step back for a moment. Uh. In 26:51 Islamic culture, visiting someone's 26:53 house and bringing food is a tradition, 26:55 right? 26:57 Yes. Correct. It is a tradition. But it 27:01 certainly carries various meanings, 27:03 right? 27:04 Yes. But in Islam, the intention is to 27:07 maintain ties of kinship. 27:08 Wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on. 27:11 Uh-huh. 27:11 According to the Prophet, when giving 27:13 gifts, one must first look at the 27:15 intent. 27:16 Yes. 27:17 Look at the history of the Prophet. 27:20 Look at the purpose behind the 27:21 gift-giving. 27:22 Correct. 27:22 And then, the family is forbidden from 27:24 receiving zakat, right? 27:26 Uh-huh. Okay, 27:28 that's why there is a motive. Yes. 27:30 Ah, yes, there is a motive. So, one 27:33 must see if the gift has an ulterior 27:35 motive or not. 27:36 Yes. Yes. 27:38 If they have an interest, then the gift 27:40 should be refused. 27:43 Hm. 27:45 I have done that, not just once, twice, 27:49 but three times. Hm. 27:52 As soon as a gift arrives at the house 27:54 and I know the motive, there is no 27:55 discussion; send it back. 27:59 Even when the gift is quite impressive. 28:05 We have to look at the motive. We must 28:07 look at the motive. 28:09 We must know the motive. So we analyze 28:11 it based on "actions are judged by 28:13 intentions." Who is this person, how 28:16 are they? Why was the gift given with 28:18 that motive? What is their interest? 28:19 With us. What is our standing, that's 28:21 how we view it. Now, 28:26 from there, when we talk about asset 28:27 seizure, I once discussed it with some 28:30 legal experts, on one occasion with 28:31 Laode Syarif, a former KPK commissioner 28:33 , and there was also a professor there. 28:42 For me, well, the assets must be proven 28:45 first, how the assets are verified, 28:47 there is a process so that eventually 28:49 ...it can be seized and legally 28:57 confiscated only after it is proven, 28:59 not seized first then proven. No, 29:01 proven first, then seized. Where do we 29:04 start? 29:05 Proven first, 29:06 then seized. 29:07 Only after being seized. Or seized 29:09 first, then proven. 29:10 Hm. 29:13 Now, this concerns the culture of law 29:15 enforcement. Once it enters the culture 29:19 of law enforcement, like I said 29:21 yesterday at INWS. 29:22 Yeah. 29:24 How law enforcement shifts into asset 29:26 recovery. 29:29 Hello. 29:29 Recovery. 29:30 The construction of this is dangerous, 29:32 you know. Right. This is, this is 29:34 dangerous. 29:34 Hm. Yeah. It's dangerous right here. 29:37 These sentences, if not carefully noted 29:39 , many in the public don't understand. 29:43 Wait, how can law enforcement be 29:45 treated as asset recovery? That’s 29:48 where the construction of law 29:49 enforcement in Indonesia becomes 29:51 muddled. 29:52 Now, regulating forest areas. 29:55 I’ll take the regulation of forest 29:56 areas as an example. 29:58 One of them is about illegal mining, 30:00 illegal planting. 30:02 Yeah. Illegal mining, illegal 30:05 plantations, right? 30:09 Illegal mining includes coal and nickel 30:11 . Meanwhile, what's called illegal 30:14 plantations is palm oil. 30:15 Yeah. 30:16 What is seen as legal is actually about 30:18 three things. It is seen if the area 30:22 exceeds the provisions. Land area, 30:25 territory area, plantation area, mining 30:28 area exceeding that is considered 30:30 illegal. That means there is a problem 30:33 there. The second is then on the 30:38 position of, if exports are reported 30:40 with lower quantities and cheaper 30:41 prices, under-invoicing or 30:43 under-pricing, right? Next, there are 30:50 tax reports changed from income to 30:51 expenses. That is what's called 30:56 transfer pricing. 30:57 Right? Three, yes. Yes. 30:59 The three just now. 31:01 Quantities are lowered, prices are 31:03 lowered, then income is declared as 31:04 expenses, transfer pricing. 31:12 Now, before we get into the export 31:14 position and the tax reports, let's 31:15 look at the position of, let's say, 31:17 illegal planting, illegal plantations, 31:19 and illegal mining. 31:26 How is it handled? With whitening. With 31:29 administrative clearing. I’ll ask you 31:31 back now. 31:32 During that recovery, there are fines 31:34 imposed, right? 31:37 Certainly. 31:37 H. 31:38 There are fines imposed, right? 31:40 Because there is a criminal element and 31:41 a civil element there, right? 31:44 Exactly, there’s a criminal element 31:46 and a civil element. H. 31:48 That’s why money laundering cases 31:50 appear, you know. 31:53 That case appears. Now, when law 31:56 enforcers. Conduct investigations, 32:01 inquiries, prosecutions, enforcement, 32:07 then are asked to restore the situation 32:09 , how is the appraisal of illegal 32:11 planting and illegal mining done? 32:15 The appraisal. 32:16 What is the appraisal method like? Does 32:20 the loss valuation method use BPKP, BPK 32:23 , or what method? The operational 32:27 method first to declare a loss. Who 32:29 calculates it? The Constitutional Court 32:33 stated it must use BPK calculations, 32:36 not BPKP. Now, up to that point, the 32:40 question is. 32:42 Does the PKH team use that or not? Who 32:47 is it? Do they use Surveyor Indonesia, 32:51 or who is the surveyor, you know? 32:55 H. 32:56 Accountants can't do it directly. 32:57 Accountants don't understand. They will 33:00 use surveyors, they will use 33:01 researchers. Now, I asked my nephew 33:06 yesterday, did Surveyor Indonesia 33:08 receive a project to conduct research 33:10 or valuation for that? There wasn't any 33:14 . 33:16 None After all, we have the Indonesian 33:23 Classification Bureau, BKI, as a 33:25 surveyor body, right? 33:27 BKI. The holding company is named BKI, 33:29 the Indonesian Classification Bureau. 33:31 That's where it should go, presumably. 33:33 So, what I mean is, why am I focusing 33:35 more on domestic issues today? 33:38 Because it’s already chaotic abroad, 33:40 no need to ask. I've checked with 33:43 various media outlets, and basically, 33:45 as long as Donald Trump is president, 33:47 he’ll just do whatever he wants. He 33:49 wants it that way, so it will be that 33:51 way. Really, he does whatever he likes, 33:53 no questions asked. 33:54 Yeah. The important thing is, "I remain 33:57 the real ruler based on strength." 34:00 I am the real power through the 34:01 strength. That’s it, right? I am the 34:04 real power through the strength. I am 34:06 the true ruler, the real ruler based on 34:08 strength. That’s the core of it. "On 34:13 power base," that's the term. 34:15 It’s definitely like that. Is there 34:17 then an actual fact? Is the press just 34:20 following? Their status is just 34:24 following; in economic terms, it’s a 34:27 "price taker," not a "price maker." 34:31 You get what I mean, right? 34:33 Just a follower. 34:35 Yeah, a follower, their status is just 34:37 a follower; we are not in a position to 34:39 be a "price maker." 34:41 That’s why I’m focusing on domestic 34:43 issues. Now, when we talk about asset 34:44 seizure like that, 34:46 the people see it. 34:47 Yeah. 34:47 State debt has reached 10,293. point 34:53 something trillion. In just a short 34:55 time, it’s increased drastically, you 34:57 know. 35:00 From June, from March, May, June, July, 35:02 the rise has been like that. 35:06 Hmm. 35:07 Then with the SBN (Government 35:09 Securities) interest rates rising so 35:11 high like that. Both Sharia SBN (Sukuk) 35:14 and regular SBN move between 6.8, 6.9, 35:18 up to 7.2 percent. 35:21 Hmm. 35:22 What does that mean? It means there is 35:25 political uncertainty, right? 35:27 Yes. Yes. 35:29 Political risk is rising. 35:31 Hmm. So the market is only willing to 35:34 buy Sharia SBN or other SBNs with high 35:36 interest rates because political 35:38 uncertainty is high, 35:40 political risk is high, 35:43 that’s how it’s read. Political 35:44 risk. 35:46 That’s why "sovereign default" 35:47 emerges, although the question is 35:49 whether Indonesia is going bankrupt; it 35:51 means the political risk in Indonesia, 35:53 the regime's political risk, is high. 35:57 Sovereign risk, regime political risk 35:59 is high. Hmm. Yeah. 36:03 And in the financial world, when it 36:05 gets here, it’s visible. But at the 36:08 same time, we see the rulers living in 36:10 luxury. 36:13 Hmm. 36:14 Corporations are enjoying massive gains 36:16 because of natural resources. 36:18 Yeah. 36:19 So, how is it, Mr. Dia? At the same 36:21 time, the middle class is collapsing, 36:23 and the lower class is facing liquidity 36:25 difficulties. Hmm. 36:27 And at the same time, even if liquidity 36:29 is injected through the banking channel 36:31 , wouldn't that just multiply the 36:32 errors? 36:34 Yeah. I 36:36 Purbaya also stated, "I will inject 400 36:39 trillion through Himbara," after the 36:41 previous 200 trillion failed, he wants 36:43 to inject another 400 trillion through 36:45 Himbara, through state-owned banks. 36:49 wanting to repeat the banking narrative 36:51 , right? 36:52 even with low interest rates or 36:54 whatever the story is, the formula 36:56 remains usury. 36:58 the result is still exploitative, the 37:00 result is still that, you know. 37:04 the story of how you have prepared to 37:06 wage war against the Messenger and 37:07 Allah. Just imagine, from 37:13 transcendental logic to rational logic, 37:15 from rational logic to transcendental 37:18 logic. That is consistent, Angga. 37:23 Let me repeat. I will repeat, so I am 37:25 inviting Rasil listeners, I am inviting 37:28 Rasil TV viewers, right? How we see 37:34 transcendental logic and rational logic 37:36 , it is consistent in language, it 37:38 remains subject to consistency, 37:40 correspondence, and coherence. 37:44 It remains subject to that. If it 37:46 remains subject to that, then it will 37:48 be proven in the system configuration. 37:50 Now, that system configuration is what 37:52 states it is a mess. 37:55 Ah, that is my book. Welcome to the 37:57 chaotic nation, so to speak. And that 37:59 is disorder. Now, right now 38:02 right now the disobedience appears, the 38:04 defiance, the issue arises regarding 38:07 the 27th, there will be a massive 38:09 demonstration. 38:11 That is part of social disobedience. 38:13 Now, if social disobedience has already 38:15 appeared, it illustrates that Indonesia 38:17 is suffering from a multidimensional 38:19 crisis. Therefore, it is consistent 38:21 when pointing to the rising political 38:23 risk position. 38:24 H 38:24 like that. That's how Angga sees it. 38:26 Now, how do we fix it? Back to the 38:29 communication model, to the 38:31 communication content, and the 38:32 governance as well as the policies that 38:34 emerge. The government should be like 38:36 that. 38:37 Returning 38:37 to answer simply. 38:38 But earlier, when Bang Ihsanuddin 38:40 mentioned 38:43 the matter of asset forfeiture, why 38:44 does it read as asset recovery? Is this 38:49 related to the president's intention to 38:51 pardon state-owned enterprise 38:52 corruptors? Is there a connection to 38:55 that? I construct that asset recovery 39:01 runs on the story earlier, uh uh on 39:08 coal, on palm oil, and on nickel. 39:12 Hm. 39:13 Meanwhile, regarding the construction 39:15 of corruption in general, I don't read 39:17 it as a recovery model. 39:18 Yeah. Yeah. 39:20 What I read in my debate is whether it 39:21 should be proven first and then 39:23 forfeited 39:25 or forfeited first and then proven, you 39:27 know. 39:27 H. 39:29 For example, there is someone, a young 39:31 person who has no business experience, 39:33 right? 39:34 Yeah. 39:35 Just graduated with a master's degree 39:37 in a short time, 2 years. Their LHKPN, 39:41 the state official's wealth report 39:44 multiplies 39:46 17 billion. I will mention the figure, 39:48 17 billion. 2 years. 39:51 2 years after finishing a master's 39:53 degree and becoming a House member, the 39:55 wealth is 17 billion. 39:57 Wow, what kind of business is that? 39:59 That is the question. Wow, what kind of 40:00 business is that? Or then people ask, 40:02 for example, about the issue regarding 40:04 Raffi Ahmad. 40:06 Sticky business, like that. 40:08 Sticky business. 40:09 Oh, yes. Yes. up to things like that, 40:12 for example, or people ask, for example 40:14 , yesterday, uh 40:16 uh selling bananas and what else? 40:19 Martabak. selling bananas, selling 40:22 martabak, until eventually able to buy 40:24 shares, you know. 40:26 Oh, the shares are massive, and then 40:28 it's not clear anymore how that is, you 40:30 know. 40:30 Yes, yes, yes, yes. 40:33 That is part of whether it really needs 40:35 to be proven or not, you know. then is 40:39 it seized first or proven first, that 40:41 is the methodology and there are 40:42 provisions there, an overview of which 40:44 method you are using, are you using the 40:46 European method 40:48 or whose method are you using if it's 40:50 about seizing something like that. 40:52 There are many models for that. Now, 40:54 let's go back to the construction we 40:56 mentioned earlier. 40:59 This is still in August 41:01 right, still 41:03 the 25th. Meaning, from the celebration 41:09 , it had only been 8 days, indeed even 41:11 on August 17, 1945, various problems 41:14 occurred leading into August 18, right. 41:17 Just one day of independence and 41:19 various things already happened. 41:20 Yes, various things. 41:22 There was the appointment of Prime 41:24 Minister Sjahrir. 41:25 Uh-huh. 41:26 Even though in the 1945 Constitution, 41:27 there was no such thing as a prime 41:29 minister. 41:30 Yes. Soekarno, in order to, in order to 41:33 accommodate his friends, right. Sjahrir 41:37 , well, he was appointed. Now, that 41:39 political accommodation was 41:41 contradictory. 41:42 Likewise, what happened on August 18 41:45 suddenly seven keywords disappeared. 41:48 Now that. 41:49 Then promised. Now all those various 41:52 incidents appeared, let alone now. 41:54 Let alone now. So, if we look at it 41:58 that way, our big problem is indeed, 42:00 when we talk about education. Hm. 42:05 Hm. 42:05 Our big problem is the problem of 42:07 honesty. 42:08 Well, 42:12 our problem is the problem of honesty, 42:14 where I call honesty a universal 42:15 currency. In social action, that is. 42:21 Hm. Anywhere, anytime, and to anyone, 42:26 honesty is a universal currency. 42:31 Hm. 42:34 And because since the beginning this 42:36 republic was established, it has been 42:38 full of dishonesty until now, so we 42:39 fall into the*maghdub*classification. * 42:44 Maghdub*. Oh my. This one, then. * 42:48 Masyaallah*. It’s already, you know. 42:50 It started with the word*kadzaba*(to 42:53 lie) and ended in*ghadhab*(wrath). That 42:56 is how it is if we take it into the 42:57 transcendental logic construction. 43:03 So, it means our world of education is 43:05 truly like what I said on one of my 43:07 podcasts with someone. The importance 43:12 of Indonesia carrying out an education 43:14 revolution. 43:15 If Indonesia must carry out an 43:16 education revolution, that revolution 43:18 starts from the highest leader. Because 43:22 the highest leader carries out 43:24 education by demonstrating policies, 43:26 management, and their words. 43:28 Yes, 43:29 like that. So, he is the source. 43:33 Now, the issue is whether it’s a 43:35 negative source or a positive source. 43:38 Negative example or positive example, 43:40 that's what I think. 43:41 Very well. Alright, Bang Udin, our time 43:44 is up now. 43:46 Just imagine, the subtle language was 43:48 like that. Sorry. 43:49 Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Very well, * 43:52 wabilahitaufiq walhidayah*. * 43:57 Wassalamualaikum warahmatullahi 43:59 wabarakatuh*. *Waalaikumsalam 44:01 warahmatullahi wabarakatuh*. 
