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0:08 Brail TV. 0:15 >> Peace be upon you, Bang Dulan. 0:18 >> And peace be upon you too, Mas Ihsan. 0:22 >> Praise be to God. Yes, Bang Dulah. How 0:25 are you, Bang Dulah? This week seems 0:28 >> uh, very busy. Are you feeling well 0:31 today, Bang? 0:32 >> Praise be to God, I am well. 0:33 >> That is what matters, because our 0:36 country is not in the best shape, Bang 0:38 Dula. There is even someone in 0:40 Banyuwangi who is stressed, saying they 0:42 left their child with a neighbor. The 0:44 police got involved, too. It’s quite 0:46 a popular story. But what is happening? 0:50 A child who was forced to become a vice 0:52 president is another story entirely. 0:55 This story is quite long. This matter 0:57 of diplomas and also what, exactly? 1:00 Back then, there were vice presidents 1:02 who built planes or cooperatives. I 1:05 don’t know what this one is building. 1:07 What is certain is that he is making 1:08 the whole country dizzy. What do you 1:10 see, Bang Dula? Bang Jimli said, "Just 1:13 forget it, no need to use diplomas, 1:15 because we are not ready or still, 1:17 still what, still ignorant in 1:19 practicing democracy, as mentioned 1:21 earlier." Also about the writing from 1:27 this person, this expert in 1:29 constitutional law said, 'Hmm, our 1:33 country is intertwined with what, with, 1:36 uh, uh, Arifin, what is it, Zainal 1:42 Arifin Mochtar, it is entangled between 1:45 businesspeople and those in power; they 1:47 make the rules, they execute them.' " 1:50 Now, what is its influence on 1:53 corruption? Bang Dula might be able to 1:56 comment, as the integrity regarding 1:59 this has become an extraordinary tale. 2:03 Perhaps there is something else that 2:05 Bang Dullah would like to convey to the 2:08 Radio Silaturahim listeners this 2:10 morning to enlighten us all. Please go 2:13 ahead, Bang Abdullah, Bang Nusron has 2:15 also been summoned, that cleric. But it 2:18 is quite difficult, isn't it? And yes, 2:20 what we see is that the purchasing 2:22 power of the public right now is 2:23 extraordinary. Please go ahead, Bang 2:26 Abdullah Hehamahua, regarding the 2:28 Constitutional Court (MK) story and 2:29 others. Please, Bang Dula. 2:33 >> Very well, listeners of Radio 2:35 Silaturahim who, God willing, are 2:37 blessed by Allah Ta'ala on this blessed 2:39 Friday morning. 2:41 >> Huh. 2:42 >> First, regarding the Constitutional 2:43 Court. Uh, we know that in the legal 2:49 system in Indonesia, judges cannot 2:52 reject a complaint from the public from 2:55 anywhere. That is the first point. 3:00 >> So, the Constitutional Court has no 3:02 reason to reject it. The second is, uh, 3:07 the Constitutional Court or any court 3:10 has the right to reject if there is no 3:13 legal standing. Therefore, those who 3:18 reported the matter of the vice 3:20 president's diploma are considered to 3:23 have no legal standing. But if that is 3:28 the issue, then the Constitutional 3:30 Court should have made what is called 3:32 an interlocutory decision. 3:35 >> Oh. 3:36 >> So after receiving it because they had 3:38 to, but then because there was no legal 3:40 standing, the Constitutional Court 3:42 should have decided 3:45 >> with a ruling that the case was 3:47 rejected. Hmm. 3:50 >> But what must be noted is that this 3:53 case is not a case about a fraudulent 3:56 election or presidential election and 3:59 so on. Heh. 4:02 >> As we know, under the regulations for 4:05 filing complaints, protests, or 4:07 disputes to the Constitutional Court ( 4:10 MK) regarding fraudulent elections or 4:12 regional elections, 4:15 >> the time limit is 3 days. 4:17 >> Hmm. Once that time limit passes, it is 4:20 considered expired. But what the 4:24 plaintiffs are questioning here is not 4:26 about election fraud, 4:29 >> not election or regional election fraud 4:31 , but the issue of diploma forgery 4:33 which should have 4:36 >> been rejected administratively, 4:40 >> because the vice president's diploma 4:42 does not meet the administrative 4:45 requirement, which is at least a high 4:48 school diploma or equivalent. Now, in 4:53 this context, it is possible that the 4:55 Constitutional Court wants to atone for 4:57 its sins. Atone for sins because in 5:01 2024 it allowed Gibran to become a 5:04 vice-presidential candidate. Even 5:09 though there was no formal decision 5:11 made to determine that Gibran qualified 5:15 as a vice president. 5:19 >> So the Constitutional Court then wanted 5:21 to atone for that sin by continuing the 5:24 process through evidence and witness 5:26 testimonies. 5:28 >> Yeah. 5:29 >> From there, we find two substances in 5:32 the ruling. The first is rejecting the 5:38 applicant's demand, but the second 5:41 states that no valid data was found 5:44 showing that Gibran possesses a high 5:47 school equivalent diploma from abroad 5:50 or domestically. 5:53 >> Yeah. But the important point there 5:56 that the public must understand is that 5:58 this is no longer the domain of the 6:00 Constitutional Court but another 6:02 institution. Now, we know that the 1945 6:06 Constitution states that a president or 6:09 vice president can be impeached 6:13 >> h 6:14 >> if they commit collusion, corruption, 6:17 and then what do you call it, 6:20 >> reprehensible acts, disgraceful conduct 6:22 . Yes, reprehensible like that. 6:25 >> Now, this is the door provided by the 6:27 Constitutional Court for the public to 6:30 pursue impeachment 6:33 >> according to the 1945 Constitution, not 6:36 the 1945 Constitution, the 2002 6:37 Amendment. In 2002, for the impeachment 6:42 of a president or vice president, 6:44 two-thirds of the House of 6:45 Representatives (DPR) must approve the 6:47 impeachment motion before it is brought 6:50 to the Constitutional Court. Yes, only 6:53 then to the Constitutional Court. Once 6:56 the Constitutional Court agrees that 6:58 the President or Vice President should 7:00 be impeached, it is brought to the 7:01 People's Consultative Assembly (MPR), 7:03 and at least 3/4 of the MPR members 7:05 then decide 7:07 >> whether the vice president or president 7:09 is impeached. 7:12 >> Right now, we can still see the 7:14 political map in the DPR. 7:17 >> Hmm. When the ruling was being read by 7:22 the Constitutional Court. 7:25 >> Yes. 7:26 >> At Prabowo's house, there was the 7:29 former president. 7:30 >> Hmm. 1 hour before. Yes. 7:34 >> It was about 2 hours. 7:36 >> H. 7:36 >> Now, because Javanese people 7:39 >> for example, in the Javanese power 7:42 system, if the people disagree or 7:45 protest against a king. Yeah. 7:48 >> They come to the town square, to the 7:50 field in front of the house 7:52 >> or the king's palace. They just sit 7:55 there. 7:56 >> Just sit there. That shows they are 7:59 expressing a protest or dissatisfaction 8:01 towards the king and so on. So a wise 8:05 king will then carry out 8:07 >> an evaluation or fulfill the people's 8:09 demands. Yeah. 8:12 >> Now, when Jokowi came to Prabowo's 8:15 house for 2 hours in the Javanese power 8:18 system, it was an instruction or a 8:21 directive that Gibran must not be 8:24 disqualified. 8:28 >> Don't forget that Prabowo is now 8:30 Jokowi's man. 8:34 >> So, with that being the case, then of 8:36 course that side will contact the 8:37 Constitutional Court people. That at 8:40 this house, Jokowi is there, blah blah 8:42 blah. 8:44 >> Because deciding to reject or accept 8:46 something is done in the very last 8:48 minutes. 8:50 >> So it could be handwritten or something 8:53 at the very end. So 8:56 >> the basis is long and can take hours, 8:58 but the final decision can take just 1 9:00 minute, 2 minutes, 3 minutes. Like that 9:04 , so we can understand why the 9:06 condition is like that. 9:09 >> Now, let us return to the 2002 9:11 Constitution. Hmm. 9:15 >> Whether the current structure of DPR 9:18 members can then carry out what is 9:20 called an impeachment process, which 9:23 requires 2/3 of DPR members. 9:28 >> We know that the party not in the 9:31 cabinet is PDIP. 9:33 >> Hmm. 9:33 >> So PDIP could do that. 9:36 >> And then perhaps Nasdem. 9:40 >> But don't forget, Mas Ustan, that 9:42 Jokowi still holds the trump card. 9:46 >> Megawati, quite strongly like that. 9:50 >> If, for example, there is a tendency 9:52 for PDIP to be like that, 9:54 >> then Jokowi can order the head of the 9:58 KPK. The head of the KPK is Jokowi's 10:00 man. 10:01 >> For the BI case involving. Hmm. 10:05 >> Then Puan's case. 10:07 >> Hmm. 10:08 >> The Communications Minister case that 10:10 was caught. 10:11 >> That involved Puan's husband. 10:15 >> So, if that happens, then Puan becomes 10:17 a problem like that. Now, in this 10:21 context, does Prabowo dare to take such 10:25 a stance if it turns out PDIP is like 10:29 that, and Nasdem—don't forget that 10:32 skyscraper in Gondangdia. Can it exist 10:39 like that, where one person, a Nasdem 10:42 executive, migrated to PSI, remember 10:45 that? 10:47 >> How the person who has been financing 10:49 Nasdem all this time. 10:51 >> Suddenly becomes the executive chairman 10:53 of PSI. 10:55 >> Because he has a mining case in Central 10:59 Sulawesi. 11:00 >> Like that. 11:01 >> So, this country is indeed in a state 11:04 of mutual hostage-taking like that. 11:07 >> But if, for example, PDIP, Nasdem, and 11:10 others take a stand, 11:12 >> then it can change. Now, I already said 11:17 last week, last Friday, that power, 11:19 control, and decisions are in Prabowo's 11:22 hands. Does Prabowo want to or not? If 11:28 Prabowo wants to, his coalition can all 11:30 do it. If not, they can be removed from 11:34 his cabinet. Hmm. 11:37 >> But the problem refers back to the case 11:39 of that night's Constitutional Court 11:40 decision. So I wonder several times 11:46 whether Prabowo can give approval to 11:49 impeach or not. 11:52 >> Against the vice president. So, the 11:55 conclusion depends on Prabowo. Want to 12:00 be a hero, or a" late hero, "or a 12:02 traitor. Well, that is up to Prabowo. 12:06 That is the issue. Yeah. 12:10 >> Secondly, about the corruption 12:12 mentioned earlier. 12:15 >> Businessmen and rulers. 12:18 >> Yes. Hmm. 12:20 >> So, one of the characteristics of 12:24 corruption as an extraordinary crime is 12:28 that it is transnational in nature. 12:33 >> Hmm, so corruption is not only in one 12:36 region, one province, one ministry, or 12:40 one country, but it is transnational. 12:44 Transnational. Now, we see that in 12:49 Indonesia's trading system, how many 12:52 goods used by the Indonesian people or 12:55 the government or agencies have 12:57 connections with foreign countries. Hmm 13:02 . 13:03 >> whether it is with China, whether with 13:06 America, whether with Singapore, even 13:08 with Israel. We are not aware, Mas Ian, 13:13 that many Israeli products we use these 13:15 days simply do not come directly from 13:17 Israel, but through other countries 13:19 like that. So we can understand that in 13:25 the history of international politics, 13:29 no president or vice president is 13:32 elected unless approved by the White 13:35 House. 13:37 >> and that White House is controlled by 13:40 Israel, like that. therefore, this 13:44 transnational aspect is not limited to 13:47 a country or party, but is 13:49 international in nature. So, in that 13:54 sense, an oligarchy is businessmen 13:56 becoming rulers, and rulers becoming 13:59 businessmen. That is why I often say, 14:04 Ihsan, there are five laws produced by 14:07 Jokowi in his second term. The KPK Law 14:12 amendment, the Job Creation Law, the 14:16 Health Law, the IKN Law—all of them 14:19 are in the interest of the oligarchy, 14:22 namely rulers and businessmen. Hm. 14:27 >> So, if Prabowo is truly serious about 14:30 chasing corruptors as far as Antarctica 14:33 , then he must first resolve the 14:36 corruption among us. 14:39 >> Among us. 14:41 >> Yes. Among us first. 14:42 >> Not Antarctica first. H 14:45 >> yes, among us. Why? 14:49 >> Let us look at someone involved in a 14:51 case 14:53 >> Hm. that has already been decided by 14:57 the relevant agency or institution. But 15:01 in the decree appointing the 26 members 15:02 of the Presidential Advisory Council, 15:04 they are included. 15:08 >> I thought Bang Dula would be called too 15:10 , since critics are usually called, but 15:11 there was no contact from the palace, 15:13 sir. So my wife said it's reversed. If 15:22 Mr. Abdullah were called there, for 15:24 instance. 15:26 >> Now, so that is the prob—the problem 15:31 is like that. So finally 15:34 >> people are questioning 15:37 >> whether Prabowo can actually do what is 15:41 called 15:43 >> chasing corruptors to Antarctica. When 15:47 corruption among us is not even 15:50 finished. He. 15:51 >> The one right in front of our eyes is 15:55 PIK, PIK 2. 15:56 >> Hm. 15:57 >> It has reached the point of 15:58 demonstrations and everything else. 16:01 >> The bamboo is already concrete now. 16:04 >> Yes. It just keeps going, keeps going 16:06 just like that. 16:09 >> Thus, the issue here is a matter of 16:12 >> repaying favors. Because mathematically 16:18 , Prabowo would not have been elected 16:21 in 2024 without Jokowi's blessing or 16:24 involvement. 16:28 >> so that is the oligarchic issue that 16:31 must be resolved. 16:34 >> Now, then 16:36 >> there is an effort considered a 16:38 strategic step by Prabowo with the 16:41 formation of Danantara. 16:43 >> Hm. But the problem is that the 16:46 President has issued a Presidential 16:49 Decree stating that those who buy or 16:53 invest in Danantara cannot be disturbed 16:56 by what 16:58 >> law enforcement. 16:59 >> Even Danantara itself cannot be 17:01 disturbed, right, Bang? I 17:04 >> ah, that is actually as if the KPK 17:06 cannot handle Danantara because it is 17:08 not a state institution, even though 17:10 the funds are from the government, the 17:12 funds are from the APBN. I. 17:16 >> So this is what often makes the public 17:20 think, is Prabowo healthy or not, or is 17:23 Prabowo actually controlled by the 17:26 oligarchy? 17:29 >> Now, so I finally conclude that it is 17:33 up to the people. 17:36 >> If the people want 17:38 >> they can do anything. H 17:40 >> let's say they come 17:43 >> not necessarily 17:46 >> through a party, not necessarily 17:48 through an organization, but 17:50 individually, I remember at a birthday 17:55 >> what is it, Bang Fikri, at his house, 17:57 during that birthday 17:59 >> and I told a story 18:01 >> when I led a protest at the 18:03 Constitutional Court in 2019 18:07 >> then a journalist asked me," Pak Dula, 18:09 at your age, why do you want to lead a 18:12 protest? "He. 18:13 >> I then said," Just look at that 18:16 >> there's a participant in a wheelchair, 18:18 >> using a wheelchair to come to the 18:20 protest. "He. 18:20 >> Well, like that. So, I mean, Bang Fikri 18:23 came in a wheelchair to join the 18:24 protest at the Constitutional Court, 18:26 like that. So, it means that if every 18:30 citizen, every member of the public has 18:33 a sense of belonging, has something 18:35 towards the state, feels they own the 18:38 state 18:40 >> like that, then 18:42 >> masses, as long as there is, for 18:44 example, a desire to protest or 18:45 something, like that. So if it goes on 18:49 for days, for days, for days, I think 18:51 we remember Soeharto, 32 years as 18:53 president. Then, extraordinarily, he 18:57 held power. Then, the Speaker of the 19:01 House at that time, what was it, day 19:03 after day talking about, I forgot his 19:05 name again. 19:07 >> Yes. But finally, after the protest 19:11 reached such a scale, he gathered the 19:14 MPR members, the MPR leadership, then 19:17 sent a letter to Soeharto to then 19:20 resign, like that. 19:23 >> Now, this is the problem, so with that, 19:27 corruption can be resolved. As I often 19:32 say, if the President issues a 19:34 government regulation in lieu of law to 19:37 restore the old KPK law, then there is 19:39 hope for the KPK to carry out the 19:41 eradication of corruption by handling 19:44 all the cases 19:46 >> that involve the oligarchs. That's it, 19:49 Mas. 19:49 >> Mashallah, yes. Extraordinary, Bang 19:52 Dula. Indeed, guarding this dignity in 19:55 our country is troublesome, right? 19:59 What's funniest is making" martabak " 20:02 —there is a writing that draws an 20:04 analogy that the nation's dignity is 20:07 also created by its leaders from the 20:09 people. Isn't that right, Bang Dula? 20:11 Some have, some have analogized it. 20:14 Likewise, if the leader is like this, 20:16 is it because the people really want it 20:18 this way, or because 60%of our people 20:20 are poor, or is education the problem? 20:23 Bang Dula, as a closing, maybe you 20:25 could provide a reminder for the 20:26 listeners of Radio Silaturahim. Please, 20:28 Bang. Two. 20:30 >> Earlier, according to BPS 20:33 >> he 20:34 >> the Indonesian people who are 20:35 categorized as poor, 20:39 >> uh. 20:39 >> But 20:41 >> the World Bank states 60% 20:44 >> 60%of Indonesians are poor. He. 20:48 >> Why are the numbers so strikingly 20:50 different? Because of the criteria 20:52 >> H. 20:52 >> BPS criteria. Why 8.2%? Because poor 20:58 people in Indonesia are those whose 21:01 income is below 20,000 per day. He. 21:05 >> If that criterion is used, then 21:10 >> beggars on the streets in Jakarta, 21:12 everywhere at the intersections. Then 21:16 one comes by, they earn 2,000, 21:20 >> then they are not included as 21:22 >> poor 21:24 >> people. because they can, what you call 21:28 it, earn up to 50,000 a day, it could 21:30 be like that. The BPS criterion is 21:34 20,000. 21:36 >> The WB sets that poor people are those 21:39 at 2.15 21:42 >> US dollars. 21:43 >> So if right now 21:45 >> 18,000 means about 21:47 >> R.000 it is that could be considered 21:51 poor, parking attendants could be 21:53 considered poor. Well, 21:54 >> therefore, 21:57 >> the problem is not that we must provide 22:00 Free Nutritious Meals, 22:03 >> but we must provide jobs. 22:06 >> Those jobs are what later 22:09 >> can be in the form of SMEs, can be in 22:12 the form of, and so on. Uh I uh went to 22:16 Ambon two weeks ago and then I wanted 22:19 to eat yellow rice. That is a typical 22:23 breakfast in Ambon. I walked around and 22:27 then I found a cart selling yellow rice 22:31 . 22:31 >> And then at that time it was Friday. 22:34 >> Uh then after that eating uh it was 22:37 13,000, Ma'am, while I was eating a 22:39 rickshaw driver came and she gave him 22:42 one package. Another rickshaw driver 22:46 came, she gave him another package. I 22:48 asked, is that not paid for, Ma'am? No. 22:51 On Fridays, I, what do you call it? Uh 22:54 give uh to the neighbors as well. So 22:59 >> the yellow rice seller understood the 23:01 concept 23:03 >> that if people are hungry, it's not 23:05 possible. But if you only provide food, 23:08 then people will always depend on it. 23:13 But if it becomes a job, then that 23:15 person can develop themselves, develop 23:17 their family, provide education, and so 23:20 on. Therefore, we must have jobs. So in 23:25 Islam, it's not just about jobs. 23:29 >> Jobs lead to good education, good 23:31 health, and then a good family. Now, 23:35 that means we must return to the 23:37 original 1945 Constitution of August 18 23:40 , 1945, which was strengthened by the 23:42 July 5, 1959 decree, that is still 23:45 there. 23:46 >> Mashallah. Thank you, brother Dula. May 23:48 Allah grant you health, blessings, and 23:51 steadfastness. That is what is needed 23:53 these days. 23:54 >> Peace be upon you, and Allah's mercy 23:56 and blessings. And blessings, brother. 23:57 >> And peace be upon you, and Allah's 23:59 mercy and blessings. 
