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0:08 Brail TV. 0:16 Peace be upon you, Bang Dula. 0:20 And peace be upon you too, Mas Angga. 0:23 How are you doing this morning, Bang 0:25 Dula? 0:27 Thank God, I'm doing well. Still very 0:30 busy with all your activities, Bang 0:33 Dula. 0:35 I hope you always stay healthy, Bang 0:37 Dula. I heard you’ve been traveling 0:40 back and forth to Malaysia lately, 0:42 Ustadz. Yes, just yesterday. 0:46 Just yesterday, Bang Dula, we’re 0:49 going to highlight several topics that 0:53 are currently hot in the media, whether 0:56 in news reports or talk show debates. 1:01 Because people say that these days, if 1:03 TV shows don't have debates, they’re 1:04 not exciting enough. In the end, 1:06 everything gets debated by both sides. 1:09 The only thing is, we don't know which 1:11 debates are real and which are scripted 1:13 . One thing, Bang Dula, a hashtag has 1:18 been trending on social media regarding 1:21 the term "thugs and power," which is 1:24 being discussed by many netizens, 1:27 especially since several scholars have 1:30 already commented on it. They say, " 1:34 Arresting ustadz is fast, arresting 1:35 scholars is fast, arresting Habib is 1:37 fast, but why are they afraid to arrest 1:39 thugs?" This statement by Habib Rizieq 1:42 has gone viral on social media, 1:44 following the incident that took place 1:47 some time ago. Then there is the event 1:52 that resulted in casualties, which 1:54 ultimately raised the hashtag about 1:56 thugs and power. I also want to link 2:00 this to a second point, Bang Dula. 2:03 Because the issue raised during the 2:06 action some time ago was about the 2:10 Asset Forfeiture Bill, so experts and 2:14 observers are discussing the root of 2:18 this bill, wondering whether it will 2:22 truly eradicate or minimize corruption 2:26 and nepotism in this country, or if it 2:31 will just be a mere formality. What if 2:35 the authorities aren't ready, and the 2:38 government itself doesn't actually 2:41 support it? Or could it potentially 2:43 increase corruption instead? How do you 2:46 really see this, Bang Dula? And thirdly 2:50 , we also want to highlight the 2:52 movements of the people, Bang Dula. 2:56 There used to be a saying that politics 2:59 is dirty, cruel, and dark. That's why 3:03 good people, scholars, and ustadz 3:04 shouldn't limit their movements to just 3:06 the mosques. They must also engage in 3:08 political parties and reach out to the 3:10 constituents. So, is it still relevant 3:13 today for the mosque da'wah movement, 3:15 for the pious people in the mosques, 3:17 that it's time for them to be aware of 3:19 the outside world, like politics and 3:21 the economy? Can they be aligned or 3:23 equated in that way, Bang Dula? Those 3:26 three things first, Bang Dula. Please, 3:27 where would you like to start? 3:30 Alright, to the listeners of this 3:31 gathering, who are hopefully blessed by 3:33 Allah on this blessed Friday morning. 3:36 First, regarding "preman"(thugs/ 3:38 gangsters). Now, the term "preman" is a 3:43 reflection 3:46 of an atmosphere involving individuals, 3:50 organizations, or even the state. Yes, 3:55 is the presence of thugs defending one 4:01 group a reaction toward another group? 4:06 That is the issue. For example, we see 4:09 that a well-known thug figure in 4:13 Indonesia, especially in Jakarta, 4:16 Hercules, we see on TV or in videos— 4:20 I've even seen it on TV—when he 4:23 approaches the forces in brown, the 4:27 police in particular, it's as if he is 4:30 commanding them, and they then 4:35 salute him, and in the context of a 4:37 boarding school community, it's like 4:40 kissing the hand of a Kyai. 4:43 So, this is a problem, and that is how 4:46 it is. So, eventually, an impression is 4:51 born 4:52 that if you arrest an Ustaz, a Kyai, or 4:55 an activist, it's quick—regardless of 4:57 whether there is enough evidence, just 4:59 arrest them and process it. Later, if 5:01 there isn't enough, an SP3 ( 5:02 investigation termination) is issued 5:03 and they are released. Huh. 5:04 But it's very difficult to do that with 5:07 thugs. Now, thugs can exist in daily 5:12 activities, thugs in government, thugs 5:16 in 5:18 state finances, thugs in management. 5:21 For example, the case of the 2019 5:32 2019 presidential election, yes. 5:34 That, uh I forgot the name, it's been a 5:39 while, the one from the PDI-P who fled 5:42 and was declared a suspect, Harun 5:43 Masiku. 5:45 Masiku. Harun—Harun Masiku, what's 5:48 his status now, until today? 5:50 We still don't know where he has 5:53 vanished to. So, who is the real thug 5:56 here? Is it Harun Masiku, the PDI-P 6:00 party, or the law enforcement officials 6:02 ? That is the problem, isn't it? 6:06 Likewise, eventually the KPK Chairman 6:09 who was later named a suspect by the 6:12 Jakarta Metro Police—until now, he 6:15 has not been processed or arrested. Is 6:21 it because that former KPK Chairman is 6:23 a thug, so he and his gang behind him 6:26 make the Jakarta Police feel they lack 6:28 the ability 6:30 to arrest or detain him, and so on? Now 6:35 , the same applies to other cases. For 6:39 example, coal mining cases, nickel 6:41 mines, mines in Freeport, in North 6:44 Maluku, in Central Sulawesi, everywhere 6:46 . 6:48 There is, what do you call it, in North 6:51 Maluku, in Halmahera, there is a 6:54 private airfield where people come 6:56 directly from the Philippines or 6:59 elsewhere, and ordinary people cannot, 7:02 you know. Now, even though that 7:06 airfield was inaugurated by President 7:08 Jokowi at the time. 7:11 Yes. 7:12 So that means those who carried it out 7:15 are intellectual thugs, 7:18 inaugurated by a national-level 7:20 intellectual thug, namely, the 7:22 President. So then, the society is, 7:25 what should I call it, in a state as if 7:26 it were a state within a state, their 7:28 term is a state within a state. 7:31 Yes. Now, so that's a personal issue 7:34 that must become an awareness for the 7:37 police. The police have the 7:40 responsibility to maintain security. 7:42 Police are civilians 7:45 who are given some equipment to 7:47 maintain security. We see in foreign 7:50 countries abroad, the police use batons 7:52 , use sticks, use truncheons like that. 7:56 Different from the Indonesian police 7:58 who have planes, have cannons, have 7:59 sophisticated weapons. Lately, the 8:02 police's weapons are even more 8:04 sophisticated than the TNI's, the Army, 8:06 for example. Like that. So, this is one 8:10 form of modern thuggery in the military 8:13 , modern thuggery in the government. 8:17 Now, so if the police don't want to be 8:19 considered a thug gang or police aren't 8:22 considered friends of thugs, then 8:24 process them according to the law, what 8:26 do you call it. Then they can change 8:31 the public image, public opinion that 8:33 the police and then the government, if 8:35 it's towards ustadz, kiai, and 8:37 activists 8:39 it's easy to arrest them. But if it's 8:41 their gang, they don't. That's the 8:43 issue 8:44 especially the issue. Again, the thugs 8:46 that are here, not just in the field, 8:48 not just in the field earlier, not just 8:50 on the street. Thugs have entered the 8:52 executive, educational, and also 8:54 legislative branches. 8:55 Hm. 8:56 If Mas Angga usually sees some time ago 9:01 in the DPRD session and even the 9:02 central DPR, fighting and throwing 9:04 chairs, that is also a thug style. 9:07 Yes. 9:08 Yes. That's a thug style. So this is 9:11 indeed 9:13 this is what then in my experience at 9:16 the KPK for 8 years 9:20 why the requirements to become a KPK 9:21 employee candidate are first integrity, 9:24 second is professional. 9:27 Why is professional second? Because if 9:30 they have become employees, their 9:32 skills can be improved through training 9:34 and so on. If integrity is problematic 9:38 from the start, it will always be 9:41 problematic like that. Because of that, 9:44 integrity becomes the first requirement 9:46 to become a member or employee or 9:48 leader of the KPK. Now, the election of 9:52 DPRD members from districts, cities, 9:54 provinces to the center 9:57 is not given a requirement of integrity 9:59 . Integrity. Because of that, we see 10:03 many DPR, DPRD members, Regents, Mayors 10:05 , governors who are then processed 10:07 because of fake diplomas, for example. 10:10 Well, that means they don't have 10:11 integrity. Even until today, it hasn't 10:14 been finished, the seventh former 10:16 President Jokowi, who was questioned 10:18 about his, what do you call it, his 10:19 diploma. Likewise, his son who is now 10:22 vice president. I was just in Malaysia 10:26 a few days ago, sitting next to me in 10:29 the ASEAN mosque council session was a 10:32 person from Singapore. A Singaporean. 10:37 So I asked, did Gibran attend college 10:39 or school or what when he was in 10:41 Singapore? He said he took an English 10:44 course. 10:46 An English course in Singapore. 10:48 So not school. Courses, 3-month, 6- 10:51 month, 1-year courses, and so on. 10:53 Now, so this is 10:55 intellectual thuggery, that's what it's 10:56 called. 10:57 Hm. 10:58 So there are, what you call, low-class 11:00 thugs, and there are intellectual thugs 11:02 in the legislative, judicial, 11:04 state-owned enterprises, regional-owned 11:06 enterprises, and up to the highest 11:07 levels. That's the thug style. 11:11 Now, the second thing, Mas Angga, about 11:15 this Asset Forfeiture Bill. 11:17 Yeah. So, it's like this, uh, 11:21 it's like this. When I was still at the 11:24 KPKPN, and then at the KPK, it was 11:26 already proposed, but truly, that asset 11:28 forfeiture should be in accordance with 11:31 the Corruption Eradication Law. 11:33 Hm. 11:35 In the Corruption Eradication Law, it 11:37 has been stated, uh, the difference 11:40 between corruption cases and general 11:43 criminal or civil cases. In general 11:46 criminal cases, if you're guilty, then 11:48 you go to prison. In civil cases, the 11:52 judge imposes a penalty of some 11:54 thousands, millions, or billions, like 11:57 that. If it's corruption, it's both. 12:02 So, criminally you go to prison, and 12:04 then, uh, there is also restitution. 12:07 Restitution. So we, 12:10 things like, uh, houses, cars, stocks, 12:12 whatever are proceeds of corruption, 12:14 are confiscated. So that's for the 12:17 corruptors. Now, regarding this asset 12:21 forfeiture, I have often stated it 12:22 several times in various places, even 12:24 in the results, that 12:25 he 12:28 back in the New Order era, laws were 12:30 good, but there was always, uh, an exit 12:34 , uh, an exit door or an exit, uh, what 12:37 do you call it, a window, and so on. So 12:41 , a place to get out, to escape, like 12:43 that. Now, likewise, for example, in 12:47 the Corruption Eradication Law, some 12:49 time ago I said that in Article 2 12:51 paragraph 2, it states that in certain 12:54 circumstances the death penalty can be 12:56 applied. 12:58 So, in the corruption law, there is 13:00 already the threat of the death penalty 13:02 . But what I mean by the intent of that 13:05 law is that there is a window to escape 13:08 . Because in the explanation of that 13:11 law, those "certain circumstances" are 13:14 a national natural disaster or an 13:16 attack by a foreign enemy. 13:18 Now, that is the window that was 13:20 prepared. So I said, to apply the death 13:23 penalty for corruptors, we hope for a 13:26 natural disaster from Aceh to Papua all 13:28 at once 13:29 uh, so that Indonesia can be submerged, 13:31 and only then can that article be used. 13:34 Or we ask a foreign country to attack 13:36 us, like Iran with, uh, America or, uh, 13:39 with the Zionists, like that. So that 13:43 is what I meant, that 13:44 an emergency exit, like that. So, this 13:48 asset forfeiture law, after demands 13:52 from everywhere and, then, for the sake 13:56 of 2029, they are making an agreement 13:59 to pass it, but they will prepare 14:03 articles that will allow them to escape 14:06 . For example, if someone has already 14:11 received some kind of recommendation 14:13 from, say, Danantara, then they cannot 14:16 be prosecuted. 14:18 They cannot be prosecuted. Just imagine 14:20 , they have assets, then they have 14:22 received what you call a certificate 14:25 from Danantara or whatever, then they 14:27 cannot be criminally prosecuted. 14:30 So, it means the state is also a thug, 14:32 the government is also a thug. What do 14:35 you call it? As long as you have, uh, 14:38 paid the boss thug, then whether you 14:41 are a parking attendant or whatever, 14:44 you are safe and won't be bothered. 14:48 Well, this is, what do you call it, uh, 14:50 very, uh, hypocritical, let's say. 14:53 It's clearly very hypocritical, what's 14:55 it for, and meanwhile, it provides 14:57 protection to corruptors. 14:59 Because 15:01 Prabowo said at the beginning of his 15:03 presidency, when he became president, " 15:05 Hey you corruptors, hey you thieves, uh 15:07 , return those stolen monies quietly, 15:09 and we'll handle it later." Now, 15:13 Prabowo doesn't understand the law, 15:15 that in the Corruption Eradication Law, 15:17 returning state losses does not waive 15:19 criminal charges. Yeah. 15:23 So, because of that, if they have 15:24 already received a certificate from the 15:26 authorities, they cannot be prosecuted; 15:28 even if the money is corruption money, 15:29 they can't be prosecuted, that's the 15:31 question. 15:32 So that eventually, later on, 15:36 it will be used as a tool for extortion 15:38 by the government, by the thugs in, 15:41 what do you call it, uh, in power. Ah, 15:45 this is for organizations or people who 15:49 usually fund activist organizations, 15:53 mosque organizations, 15:56 organizations. For example, 15:59 before the 27th, someone who wanted to, 16:02 what, coordinate the departure to 16:05 Jakarta. Their account was blocked, 16:08 blocked, you know, their account was 16:10 blocked just like that. So, it's like 16:12 that. So, with that, it's the same as 16:17 the Health Law that was passed two or 16:20 three years ago, 16:23 which was protested by the IDI, the 16:25 Indonesian Medical Association. 16:28 Because that Health Law is an 16:30 international program, not a national 16:32 one, an international program where the 16:34 government or the authorities or thugs 16:37 can choose which ethnic groups to 16:39 target. The Acehnese, West Sumatrans, 16:43 Bantenese, Makassarese, Ambonese, which 16:46 groups, you know, unlike COVID-19, 16:48 which affected everyone. But this can 16:51 be processed to target whoever they 16:53 want. So, the Asset Forfeiture Law can 16:56 be made like that. Yeah. 16:58 Who, for example, 17:00 uh, what's it called, gets their assets 17:02 seized or processed, saying, "Oh, this 17:04 mosque or this person likes to fund, 17:06 what's it called, Islamic organizations 17:08 , or funds social organizations," and 17:10 so on. Yeah. 17:12 So, this is very dangerous 17:15 if it is used as a tool to then destroy 17:19 , impoverish, or render activists and 17:22 certain mass organizations helpless. 17:27 That is why netizens here are speaking 17:30 up. Don't let the public be deceived 17:34 when the DPR wants to immediately enact 17:37 general criminal asset forfeiture. Even 17:41 though what is being, uh, pressed for 17:43 by the public is the, what, forfeiture 17:46 of corruptors 'assets, right, Bang Dola 17:49 ? 17:50 Corruptors. Yes. Back when I was at the 17:52 KPKPN and then at the KPK, that was for 17:55 corruptors. 17:56 For corruptors, not for the public, 17:58 like that. 18:00 So, with that, it is feared that this 18:02 is a single scenario. Now, let's look, 18:05 for example, 18:06 why suddenly there's this movement from 18:08 Pati, then an extraordinary movement, 18:11 and then on the 27th everyone meets 18:13 like that? And then, 18:16 uh, the leadership, 18:18 it has never happened in history. Yeah. 18:22 DPR leaders signing a statement saying 18:24 that it will be passed in December. 18:27 Never before. 18:28 Yeah. 18:31 I have experience, ever since I was a 18:33 student, I've met with the DPR, met 18:35 with Governors, met with regents, 18:37 mayors, and ministers, all of it. It's 18:41 just, you know, these commitments 18:43 didn't reach a written signature, but 18:45 these are signatures, except for the 18:46 House Speaker who didn't sign, but 18:48 everyone else did. 18:51 Now, in political terms, this is very 18:53 tendentious. 18:55 So, it means this is just planting 18:58 stocks for 2029. 19:01 So that later they will be considered, 19:03 ah, these are the heroes. 19:05 Now, why is that? The public has 19:08 started to judge that these parties 19:10 should be punished in 2029. The 19:12 punishment is to no longer choose them, 19:14 both the parties and the people in them 19:16 . They are anticipating 2029 so much 19:18 that they are making moves like that. 19:21 And then finally, as we have witnessed. 19:25 Now, the unfortunate thing is one 19:27 mistake or weakness of our society. We 19:33 are too easily trapped in intelligence 19:35 operations, so we end up showing up in 19:37 crowds, then there are victims, then 19:39 the thugs escape, and in the end, it's 19:42 always the people who are the victims. 19:48 Now, that is the issue of the law. 19:51 However, highlighting the House's 19:53 maneuvers, they forgot that in this 19:56 country there are still many who can 19:59 analyze things; there's Bang Dula, 20:01 there's Anis, and there are others. The 20:05 House forgot that they thought their 20:08 scenarios would run smoothly. Yes. 20:12 Because of that, there is one party 20:15 that feels that in 2029 it will not 20:19 receive support anymore. So they form a 20:24 new party which is actually Party A, 20:27 then in 2029 they create Party A-prime 20:31 or Party B. That is actually being done 20:34 and has already been done now for the 20:37 sake of 2029. 20:40 Yes. So, you know, those kinds of 20:42 tricks. So, therefore, I hope the 20:46 public must be observant and the source 20:49 must return to... 20:51 the Quran and Sunnah. Because the Quran 20:54 says, if you hear news from someone who 20:56 is, you know, an unbeliever or a 20:58 hypocrite, then you must examine it, 21:00 you must investigate it. 21:04 That is' tabayyun ', whether it is true 21:06 or not. Don't let it be an intelligence 21:07 operation and so on. That is the issue 21:10 of the Asset Forfeiture Bill. 21:11 Yes. 21:12 Third, Mas Angga, what was it again? 21:14 The third one. 21:15 The mosque movement for national change 21:18 . So, don't just be busy with worship 21:20 inside the mosque, but also outside. 21:22 Yes. Yes. 21:24 So yesterday in Ipoh, Perak, Malaysia, 21:27 all countries were present. 21:31 Except for the Philippines, which was 21:33 unable to attend. Then from Palestine. 21:36 Then from Iran, they were present. 21:40 Yes. 21:41 And then the point is, besides making 21:43 the mosque functional, it is also about 21:46 defending Al-Aqsa Mosque. 21:49 Yes. 21:50 So in my presentation, I quoted 21:53 Al-Baqarah 120. I said if we talk about 21:59 Palestine, Al-Aqsa, and Israel, we 22:01 cannot leave out Al-Baqarah verse 120. 22:06 The Jews. 22:10 The Jews and Christians will not stop 22:13 until you follow them. So, the' asbab 22:15 nuzul '(revelation context) is about 22:17 the Qibla. So the Qibla is the 22:19 direction for prayer. 22:23 But the Prophet's Mosque, the Nabawi 22:24 Mosque was a place for prayer, the 22:26 Nabawi Mosque was also a school. 22:29 Because after leading prayers, the 22:31 Prophet would teach, so it was also a 22:33 school. The mosque was also the office 22:35 of the head of state. Because the 22:37 Prophet was the head of state and held 22:38 office in the mosque. 22:40 Well, in the Prophet's time, the mosque 22:43 was also, uh, the Supreme Court. Why do 22:46 we say it was like the Supreme Court 22:47 now? Disputes between husband and wife 22:50 were resolved in the mosque. So the 22:53 mosque was also the office of, uh, what 22:54 , the Supreme Court and so on. In the 22:58 mosque yard, the Prophet would practice 23:00 martial arts or horse riding, and so on 23:03 . 23:05 Then, around the mosque, the Prophet 23:08 built kiosks for a polyclinic. People 23:11 who were wounded in war were treated 23:13 there, just like that. 23:15 So, 23:17 the mosque was the center of 23:18 civilization, the center of culture, 23:20 the office of the head of state, the 23:22 office of, uh, what do you call it? 23:24 Governors, regents, and mayors. So, if 23:28 someone says that you cannot talk about 23:31 politics in the mosque, 23:34 in Malaysia, I said that they must be a 23:36 Jewish agent. 23:37 A Jewish agent. 23:39 In that forum, I was very honest: if 23:40 someone forbids talking about politics 23:42 in the mosque, they are a Jewish agent. 23:44 Let's look at when Snouck Hurgronje 23:48 pretended to convert to Islam and lived 23:51 for several years in, uh, Mecca. 23:55 He returned and suggested to the Dutch 23:57 government that regarding Islamic 23:58 worship, let the Muslims be, because 24:00 it's like performing Hajj, 24:03 fasting in Ramadan, or praying, but 24:05 when they talk about politics, economy, 24:07 or military, prevent it, even with 24:10 military intervention if necessary. Now 24:13 , that is why in mosques we stopped 24:15 talking about politics, we were not 24:17 allowed to talk about the economy, only 24:19 about worship, just like that. 24:22 Now, therefore, 24:24 a few years ago in Lampung, all the 24:27 Ustadz of Lampung Province were 24:29 participants, and after I gave a 24:31 presentation for about 40 minutes, an 24:33 Ustadz said, "Sorry, Sir, I am an 24:35 Ustadz, so I do not talk about politics 24:37 ." H 24:38 I immediately replied to him, "Ustadz, 24:40 that is insulting the Prophet. 24:42 The Prophet was a politician." If the 24:45 Prophet were not a politician, 24:46 Hudaibiyah would not have brought 24:48 victory for Muslims in just two years. 24:50 The entire Arabian Peninsula converted 24:52 to Islam because of the Treaty of 24:54 Hudaibiyah. The Prophet was a 24:55 politician. 24:57 If the Prophet were not a politician, 24:59 he would not have prepared or drafted 25:00 what is called the first written 25:02 Constitution in the world, the Charter 25:04 of Medina. 49 articles in that charter 25:08 regulating the rights and obligations 25:11 of the Muhajirun, Ansar, Jews, 25:14 Christians, and Bedouins were a 25:16 political product. 25:19 carried out by a head of state. So the 25:23 Prophet was a prophet, head of state, 25:26 commander-in-chief, head of a household 25:28 , a servant, and so on, and the mosque, 25:30 therefore, should carry out activities 25:33 as performed by the Messenger of Allah. 25:37 In fact, one of the functions of the 25:39 Prophet's Mosque was as lodging 25:41 for travelers. Lodging for travelers, 25:44 like that. 25:46 Well, that is why I suggested back in 25:49 Malaysia that if there are seminars, 25:52 symposiums, or conferences, they should 25:55 be held in a mosque. 25:58 Yes. At the very least, for example, 25:59 the mosque should have a dedicated room 26:01 for that. By doing so, there would be 26:05 no intervention from secular politics, 26:08 usurious politics, or any other kind of 26:11 political interference. Because being 26:15 within the mosque area, the spirit and 26:16 essence of the mosque will influence 26:18 the participants. 26:20 Whether it's a conference, congress, 26:22 seminar, or symposium. In an atmosphere 26:25 like the Al-Azhar Mosque, they have 26:28 special rooms for what you call 26:30 symposiums or annual conferences, or 26:33 for instance at the Istiqlal Mosque, or 26:36 other mosques that should have a space 26:39 directly connected to them, which can 26:41 then be used for—well, there are 26:44 mosques that host weddings or marriage 26:47 ceremonies too, aren't there? So if a 26:51 marriage happens in a mosque, it means 26:53 the spirit of the mosque influences the 26:55 family born from that process in the 26:58 mosque. 26:59 Now, that must be done. With that, I 27:03 hope the DMI, the Indonesian Mosque 27:05 Council led by' Kak ', can restore the 27:08 mosque's position as a center of 27:11 civilization, culture, and activity, 27:13 not just a place for prayer. So that 27:17 Al-Baqarah 120 earlier is not just a 27:20 qibla for 27:22 prayer, but also a qibla for education, 27:25 a qibla for politics, 27:28 a qibla for the economy, for culture, 27:30 for social issues, a qibla for 27:32 everything 27:33 within Islamic teachings. 27:36 In this way, the spirit of the mosque 27:37 can integrate into every Muslim, 27:39 especially those who consider 27:40 themselves leaders. I think that's it, 27:43 Mas. Hopefully, that movement for 27:47 change will emerge from the spirit of 27:49 the community to enliven the mosque, 27:51 making the mosque the base, right, 27:54 Brother? 27:56 Yes. 27:56 Yes. It can only function that way if 27:59 people actually fill the mosque. If the 28:03 community has already— 28:05 I often say that out of the four Imams 28:07 of the schools of thought, only Imam 28:09 Syafi'i stated that for men, praying in 28:11 a mosque or musalla is Sunnah Muakkad. 28:15 Sunnah Muakkad is a sunnah that is 28:16 close to mandatory. The other three 28:19 Imams said, Mas Angga, that for men it 28:21 is mandatory 28:21 h 28:22 to pray in a mosque or musalla. Why? 28:25 Their basis is a hadith of the Prophet. 28:27 The Prophet said, "If I didn't feel 28:28 pity for the mothers and children in 28:30 Medina, I would have ordered their 28:31 houses to be burned so that the men 28:32 would come to..." 28:35 So, what is the point of building 28:38 beautiful mosques if they are empty, 28:40 with only one row, half a row, two rows 28:43 , or—well, like on the first day of 28:45 Ramadan, it overflows outside, Mas 28:47 Angga, it even spills out. Yes. 28:51 Then it continues, and then it is 28:54 consistently only one row as we 28:56 approach Eid, like that. 28:58 True. 29:00 So, restore the mosque as a center of 29:02 civilization, but also enliven the 29:04 mosque by filling it up. 29:06 Hopefully, this can be an example for 29:08 the leaders of this country who are 29:11 Muslim. So, if there is an adhan, they 29:13 should go to the mosque. Hopefully, 29:15 right, Bang Dul? 29:17 Yes. Yes. Uh, last year I went to 29:19 Singapore. So perhaps the minority 29:21 group is a matter of 29:24 I was in Singapore last year, uh, at 29:27 Asr prayer time, it was half the mosque 29:29 . 29:30 Half the mosque. Yeah. 29:32 Asr was the mosque. 29:34 Whereas my experience in Jakarta, at 29:36 the mosque near my house, for Dhuhr or 29:38 Asr, one row is already decent. One row 29:41 is already decent. 29:43 Yes. But in Singapore, it was half the 29:45 mosque. Half the mosque was 29:47 Yes. Yes. Now, how do we enliven the 29:49 mosque, then the spirit of the mosque, 29:51 then we carry out politics, economy, 29:53 education, law, 29:55 social, culture, in accordance with the 29:57 spirit of the mosque. Like that, Mas. 29:59 Alright, extraordinary, Bang Dah. 30:01 Thank you, Bang Dola, for this morning. 30:04 May Bang Dula always be healthy. God 30:06 willing, we will meet again next week. 30:08 Assalamu alaikum warahmatullahi 30:10 wabarakatuh. 30:11 Wa alaikum assalam warahmatullahi 30:13 wabarakatuh. 
