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0:01 Brail TV. 0:09 >> Peace be upon you, and Allah's mercy 0:11 and blessings. How are you, Dr. Ben? 0:14 >> And peace be upon you, and Allah's 0:15 mercy and blessings. I am well, Mr. 0:17 Ihsan, how about you? 0:18 >> Masyaallah, the world is getting hotter 0:21 , Dr. Ben; let's start from our own 0:24 country. Everything is nice in Jogja, 0:26 right? Borobudur is calm and peaceful. 0:28 But now this Bocelli character wants to 0:31 come here. It is said that he once held 0:34 a concert supporting the IDF, and why 0:37 are people like Ahmad Sahroni like that 0:41 ? Cholil Nafis is even upset about it. 0:43 What is happening to this republic? Do 0:46 they not read the laws, or what is 0:48 going on? But we just read that the 0:50 Magelang Police have revoked the permit 0:52 for the Andrea Bocelli concert. I 0:55 wonder how much of a loss that is? Ah, 0:58 but this country does seem like it 0:59 needs to be guarded, doesn't it? Eh, 1:02 there's even an Indonesian pilot at 1:04 Ethiopian Airlines. They are so scared, 1:07 I don't know if it's because of the 1:09 Indonesian or what, but it’s 1:10 happening in Israel. Flying from, uh, 1:13 Ethiopian Airlines, Addis Ababa to 1:15 Israel, they were rejected and turned 1:17 back. They had already arrived, it's 1:19 okay to be rejected, ultimately, they 1:21 are paranoid. What is happening 17 days 1:24 before the general election in Israel 1:27 itself? But these tensions don't seem 1:31 to stop because of the extraordinary 1:34 bluffs from America and also from, uh, 1:36 Iran regarding the turmoil. Wow, it 1:39 seems like Yemen is busy with Saudi; if 1:42 there's another war, Iran says, "Oh, 1:44 this is great.""They won't bother us, 1:47 they're just fighting each other." Wow, 1:49 the strategic planning that many people 1:52 talk about is extraordinary. Pitting 1:54 people against each other. What is 1:56 happening with, uh, what did Donald 2:00 Trump say regarding the news we just 2:03 reported? Of course, other news about 2:07 the Houthi turmoil, what is the role of 2:09 the Houthis regarding America, eh, 2:11 regarding Saudi, why has it become like 2:14 this? Everything was calm for the past 2:17 four years, you know. Eh, now it's in 2:20 turmoil to the point where Umrah troops 2:23 , I mean Umrah pilgrims, can't even 2:26 depart. What is Indonesia's role? Why 2:29 is this new foreign minister so quiet? 2:32 Please, Dr. Sarjini Abdul Murad, share 2:35 your discussion and perspective on the 2:39 news you are facing or responding to 2:42 from various sources, please, Doctor. 2:47 >> Yes, thank you, Mr. Ihsan. Let's try to 2:50 start from Andrea Bocelli or 2:53 >> a very extraordinary tenor singer. An 2:57 Italian citizen. And indeed, at first, 3:01 there were some who questioned why, for 3:04 example, Andrea was, uh, rejected from 3:06 entering Indonesia even though he is 3:08 blind. He wouldn't know that genocide 3:11 is happening in Gaza and so on. So we 3:15 are not looking at that, Mr. Ihsan, 3:17 that after, uh, the Israeli orchestra 3:20 was, uh, rejected from Indonesia, then 3:22 consecutively, uh, 3:26 >> uh, he was invited for a concert from 3:30 Italy initiated by Siti Murdaya's child 3:34 , Prajna Murdaya. Yes. And indeed, 3:38 initially, we thought, why are these 3:41 people so insensitive? So, for everyone 3:43 invited there, we must first look at 3:45 their background. Check the background, 3:47 is this person worthy to perform or 3:49 hold a concert in Indonesia? Although 3:52 she is not as provocative as the 3:55 Israeli host, Mr. Ihsan, by raising 3:58 funds for the IDF and openly supporting 4:01 Israel, visiting Israel, and being a 4:04 friend to the IDF. I think, even if she 4:10 does not explicitly state that she 4:13 supports genocide, we should not give 4:16 even the slightest platform to people 4:19 who have special ties to Israel; this 4:22 is a moral punishment, a moral sanction 4:25 . 4:28 >> The Minister of Tourism tried to reach 4:32 out to MUI because two nights ago they 4:36 visited MUI to hold discussions; MUI 4:39 explained why they rejected Dea 4:42 Bosili's presence, and finally the 4:45 Ministry of Tourism understood why MUI 4:49 and various other elements of the 4:52 nation rejected Andrea's presence. 4:57 Although Ahmad Sahroni—although I 4:59 won't call him Ahmad, as Ahmad is a 5:01 most noble name—Mr. Ustaz, although 5:04 Sahroni, uh, did not... 5:06 >> uh, did not show appreciation, using 5:08 words that were indeed inappropriate to 5:11 express, because a politician actually 5:14 should... 5:15 >> should have a lot of literacy. Literacy 5:17 , should look more at the duties and 5:19 functions of MUI so as not to release 5:21 words that... 5:22 >> explain who he is, Mr. Ihsan. So, 5:25 actually, I really didn't want to 5:27 respond specifically because when I 5:28 read on IG, the attacks against him 5:30 were extraordinarily massive, Sir. So, 5:33 >> so we understand that this is the 5:35 quality of... 5:36 >> Yes. The quality... 5:38 >> we are concerned about the quality. 5:40 >> H. 5:41 >> Now, so, with the Chief of Police today 5:44 , Mr. Ihsan, who visited MUI and then 5:47 gave a sermon, it shows that he is, uh, 5:49 more, let's say, pious. More pious, 5:53 more empathetic, closer to the scholars 5:55 . I think naming it a response from the 5:59 Magelang Police is a form of, uh, 6:01 looking at the public's sensitivity 6:04 toward Andrea's presence. And I am sure 6:07 that even though there is no firm 6:09 decision, the indications are heading 6:11 that way, Sir. Even though there are 6:13 parties who feel panicked, I think that 6:15 is a natural thing in a policy. 6:18 >> And we also believe that in the future, 6:20 Mr. Ihsan, with the...will better 6:25 understand the ins and outs, the 6:27 dynamics of Indonesia's foreign affairs 6:29 and Indonesia's foreign policy with. 6:33 And we are confident that in the future 6:36 , MUI will be firmer in discussing the 6:38 Palestinian issue and firmer in 6:40 highlighting Israeli policies that 6:43 truly hurt the world's conscience, Mr. 6:45 Ihsan. So there is a belief, Mr. Ihsan. 6:49 H. 6:49 >> And I also see that Mr. Ihsan, uh...our 6:56 government is changing a little, there 6:58 are changes, yes, there are changes, 7:00 changes. 7:01 >> Especially regarding Palestine, for 7:04 example, how Indonesia no longer 7:06 continues the issue of the ISF BOP, so 7:08 ... 7:10 >> the government's decision for us, for 7:12 Indonesia, to be part of this BOP did 7:14 indeed trigger rejection from the 7:16 public. Then there was also rejection 7:19 regarding the involvement in it. So, in 7:22 this context, I see that Prabowo will 7:24 be better, let's say, more able to 7:27 understand what public outcry is. 7:29 Especially recently, during the 100- 7:31 year anniversary of the Kontor, he 7:33 firmly stated "Free Palestine." This 7:35 surely surprised the Israeli public, 7:36 especially Benjamin Netanyahu, Mr. Isan 7:38 . 7:39 >> That is the direction we must monitor. 7:41 So, let's not expect, let's not expect 7:43 Prabowo to immediately change and 7:44 condemn everything. We aren't thinking 7:47 that far, Sir. So there is a shift, a 7:50 shift where some people, perhaps those 7:53 close to Prabowo, are whispering about 7:55 Indonesia's relations with Israel and 7:57 Indonesia's foreign policy position 7:59 regarding Israel. And this, I think, 8:03 Prabowo is starting to understand 8:05 because he has used firm words toward 8:07 Israel. 8:08 >> Then, Mr. Isan, if we continue to Yemen 8:11 , it is indeed very sensitive, Sir. For 8:14 example, when Yemen strikes with 8:17 missiles, say, the King Khalid airport 8:19 in Riyadh, for instance. 8:23 >> So, it's just condemning, condemning, 8:24 saying, "Oh, this is Hajj," and so on, 8:26 right? But it was turned around by the 8:28 Houthis. Why, when their bus was 8:31 attacked in 2018 or that airport, did 8:34 you just stay silent? This is actually 8:38 quite dilemmatic, quite a dilemmatic 8:39 position for part of the Muslim 8:41 community in viewing this context. 8:44 >> Therefore, we cannot cover up this 8:46 sectarian fanaticism, Sir. Even 8:50 >> Even though we try to look at it 8:52 geopolitically, these overlaps are 8:54 always there. But we are grateful, Mr. 8:59 Isan, that MBS's statement says they do 9:01 not accept, do not accept help from 9:04 Israel, whether it's intelligence 9:06 forces or air strikes from Israel 9:09 >> against Houthi positions, Sir. I think 9:13 this statement from MBS is an 9:14 indication that this is our own 9:16 business, in a way. This is our own 9:19 business. We also have people or 9:22 countries ready to help us, and perhaps 9:25 he doesn't dare to say directly or 9:27 refuse directly, or state directly that 9:30 what Israel is doing to Palestine is 9:33 something I cannot justify. Now, if we 9:37 also take information or ask for help 9:39 from you, then Saudi Arabia's position 9:41 might be very squeezed, Sir. So, 9:44 geopolitically, this is indeed the 9:46 right move not to involve Israel, even 9:48 though we have received information, 9:50 Mr. Isan, that there have been, for 9:52 example, informal discussions between 9:54 high-ranking Saudi military officials 9:56 and Israel. But it's hard for us to 9:59 clarify whether this is true or not. 10:02 But in terms of its sources, it is very 10:05 , very authentic, Sir, that these 10:07 discussions are happening. 10:09 >> Yeah. It is truly extraordinary, the 10:11 turmoil in the Middle East. I wonder 10:14 what role Indonesia can play. Yes, this 10:17 is also a separate note. Especially 10:19 since Sisi met with Prabowo yesterday, 10:23 who knows what was discussed amidst the 10:26 turmoil and just days before the 10:28 elections in Israel and not even two 10:31 weeks left in the United States. What 10:35 do you see from those developments, Doc 10:37 ? Usually, sir, Egyptian presidents 10:42 rarely visit Indonesia. But with Sisi 10:44 coming to Indonesia, it shows that 10:46 Indonesia is an important country for 10:48 Egypt. 10:49 >> Because trade between Egypt and 10:50 Indonesia is indeed significant, Mr. 10:52 Ihsan. So, we continue with Egypt, and 10:55 I think, uh, 10:58 >> positive and constructive talks between 11:00 Indonesia and Egypt are what I want to 11:02 emphasize regarding Palestine, but the 11:04 most important thing is the follow-up. 11:07 Opportunities that can be technically 11:08 carried out by the Indonesian side. 11:10 Humanitarian aid that has been 11:12 collected by the Indonesian people can 11:14 be distributed properly to Gaza. That 11:18 is actually the core that must be 11:19 followed up by the relevant parties, 11:21 whether it's the Ministry of Foreign 11:23 Affairs, the Embassy, or intelligence 11:24 agencies, for example. So, if it's just 11:29 talk and then just, uh, condemning, I 11:33 think without a more productive 11:35 follow-up, Mr. Ihsan, it wouldn't be 11:38 optimal, so I see that, as you said 11:41 earlier, Indonesia actually has 11:46 >> the opportunity to convey, uh, Yemen or 11:49 be close with Saudi Arabia, as long as, 11:51 sir, as long as we are willing, sir. I 11:54 have one principle: nothing is 11:56 impossible, everything is possible, sir 11:59 . So, it means if Indonesia has that 12:02 commitment, a commitment of Muslim 12:04 brotherhood, for example, or whatever 12:06 you call it, Mr. Ihsan, and takes an 12:08 Indonesian-style approach—not 12:09 confrontational, not offensive, and 12:11 more slow-paced. I think that can be 12:14 done, as long as we have, what do you 12:16 call it, the confidence that we are 12:18 capable of doing it. Even though 12:21 economically, Mr. Ihsan, we might still 12:23 be below Saudi Arabia, and politically, 12:25 we might not be as influential as China 12:27 or perhaps India. But I think there is 12:31 another side we must see, that 12:32 Indonesia and Saudi have a very, very 12:34 long relationship, Mr. Ihsan; they are 12:35 part of our brothers. So, the 12:38 approaches of, uh, Islamic brotherhood, 12:40 I think, with OIC countries can be done 12:42 . The important point is the 12:43 willingness, sir, the willingness. 12:45 >> Using Indonesian ways. I think even if 12:48 it is not 100%successful, there is a 12:50 direction toward it. So 12:52 >> there is, there is, what do you call it 12:54 , a story that Indonesia has done that. 12:57 So 12:59 >> We are trying to upgrade our rank, 13:01 because all this time for Southeast 13:03 Asia, Indonesia might be leading in, 13:05 for example, Myanmar or Cambodia, we 13:07 are leading there. But there is nothing 13:11 wrong with us shifting to the Middle 13:13 East, sir, to the global axis that will 13:14 never end until the arrival of the Imam 13:16 Mahdi, sir. There's no problem if we 13:18 get involved there, sir. Waiting for 13:20 Imam Mahdi takes a long time, so we 13:21 should get involved. There's a netizen, 13:24 our listener, commenting that we are 13:26 already fed up with, what is it, stress 13:28 domestically. There is a survey that 13:32 says, try reading it, 75%of the public 13:34 is stressed due to the current 13:35 government's policies. So, how is it, 13:39 brother, is it true that stress makes 13:41 us only worry about our own stomachs, 13:44 unable to move due to global news or 13:46 roles, or how is it, Dr. Ben? You see, 13:49 I actually laugh when I look at that, 13:52 sir. 13:54 >> I laugh because the president is part 13:56 of the problem, I laugh to myself, 13:57 usually, the president gets a headache 13:58 thinking about the people, now the 14:00 people get a headache thinking about 14:01 the president. So that is indeed a 14:04 unique thing we have here, sir. So 14:07 actually, it's like this, sir, this is 14:08 indeed the president's duty. Sir, the 14:10 president's duty is how to filter all 14:12 the information and aspirations from 14:14 the public, sir. So if there are indeed 14:18 programs of his that cause stress to 14:20 the public, they must be verified so 14:22 they are not continued, sir. So we see 14:25 that there are things like MBG, for 14:26 example, MBG and village cooperatives, 14:28 for instance, which are indeed the 14:30 president's flagship programs, even 14:31 Gerung was invited to join the team, 14:33 sir, to be able to explain these two 14:35 flagship programs. Hmm. 14:37 >> But I think, sir, the point is that the 14:39 president should listen more, I think. 14:42 >> Sir, a leader should listen more, we 14:43 shouldn't talk too much. Listen to what 14:46 is being conveyed by, by the public, by 14:49 the citizens, so that even if not 14:52 everything is true, there is, what's 14:54 the term, a way out, a solution to 14:57 address what is being conveyed, that is 14:59 the solution from a leader. 15:02 >> Yes. Ah, this is also, Doc, a health 15:05 issue, besides this, El Nino and others 15:08 as well. But Kalimantan and Sumatra are 15:12 becoming a, what is it, a specter of 15:14 extraordinary smoke, Doc. Looking over 15:17 there, I had called a friend there, " 15:19 How is it?""Oh, Mr. Iksan," he said. " 15:21 Wow, this is how my life is here." 15:24 Japan sent aid, but our neighbors 15:27 Singapore and Malaysia have already 15:29 offered to help. But the regulation for 15:32 this aid isn't easy, is it? The bombers 15:34 are entering from Kaliman, from Kaliman 15:36 , what, Kalimantan. What does Dr. Ben 15:39 see from this extraordinary natural 15:42 chaos, regions with smoke while in some 15:44 places flash floods suddenly arrive? My 15:48 goodness, nature is speaking. How does 15:51 Dr. Ben see it? 15:53 >> No? This is actually an annual cycle, 15:56 Mr. Isa, El Nino leads to fires, always 15:58 , and the cause is burning, it's not 15:59 like it suddenly burns on its own, sir. 16:02 >> Suddenly what, a fire happens. 16:05 >> And then. 16:06 >> Actually, since long ago there have 16:08 been threats made by the government 16:10 that land that burns will be 16:11 confiscated, for example, this is 16:13 because indeed. 16:14 >> Because there is no firm action from 16:15 the government, sir, so this will keep 16:17 repeating. 16:18 >> So the land, they say, is owned by many 16:20 Singaporeans, owned by Singapore, owned 16:22 by Malaysians, this is it. So actually, 16:24 the government must be firm, announced 16:26 that land that has fires, those fires 16:29 are immediately. 16:30 >> Taken over by the government. So, so 16:32 this has an effect, but it must be done 16:34 seriously until the end, it must be 16:35 peaceful. 16:36 >> This is the problem. Then I see, Mr. 16:39 Isa, for example, the subtle jab, yes, 16:41 a jab, like the video call between 16:44 Anwar Ibrahim and, well, Prabowo, where 16:46 he showed the smoke, to the point that 16:48 Prabowo said, "Good evening.""No, it's 16:52 not night, it's daytime, right?" So 16:54 that was actually Anwar Ibrahim's 16:55 thought, but the problem is, it's 16:57 awkward for Anwar to reprimand Prabowo; 16:59 perhaps because the two of them are 17:00 friends. This is problematic. So the 17:04 victims here, the victims are the 17:06 community. We were hoping for palm oil, 17:09 but we ended up with much greater 17:10 losses. So I think it's not just 17:12 regulations; it's the firmness that's 17:14 important. Just imagine, sir, people 17:16 getting ARI, all these lung diseases, 17:18 it's all caused by this. But even so, 17:21 what we regret, sir, is that the 17:23 Governor of Kalimantan shows no empathy 17:25 , sir, he went to Singapore. 17:29 >> That is what makes people even more 17:31 annoyed. So when the community is 17:33 experiencing hardship, but there is no 17:35 empathy shown toward the people, this 17:37 becomes a new problem. 17:39 >> Common again, for example. 17:42 >> Foreign aid is not, what, the tap isn't 17:44 opened, so the smoke persists; in my 17:47 opinion, in Jokowi's time, there were 17:49 those firefighters, but they were also 17:52 sick, all of them, sir. But, this is a 17:57 lesson for Indonesia, for all of us, 17:58 sir, that if, for example, there are 18:00 regulations that are not firm or clear, 18:02 then this will keep happening, sir. 18:05 Next year, the same thing will keep 18:07 happening. So when will we finally 18:09 realize? Do we have to be destroyed 18:11 first before we wake up, sir? For 18:12 example, the Sumatra incident recently, 18:15 the floods in Sumatra, sir. Now there 18:17 are still things like illegal permits. 18:20 Still, it's like we forget, sir, we 18:21 once had a disaster, we forget, and it 18:23 just keeps going on. So, honestly, I 18:26 must say that we are disappointed with 18:28 the lack of firmness from both the 18:29 central and regional governments. The 18:32 regional government blames the central 18:33 government, but the victims are the 18:35 local community. So if we live in 18:38 Bekasi, we don't really feel how 18:40 difficult it is for them to breathe, 18:43 but we should have empathy for such 18:45 things. Alright. Yes. The problem is 18:49 that ethics is becoming an increasingly 18:51 rare story in our country. And it seems 18:54 that shame is becoming further and 18:56 further away from reality. It means it 18:59 doesn't become a driving force. Like, 19:02 I've already paid, as if it were a 19:04 completed transaction. What does Dr. 19:07 Ben want to remind us of regarding this 19:09 particular ethic, Doc? 19:12 >> No. Actually, it's clear what the 19:14 Prophet said, "Al-haya'u minal iman," 19:16 modesty is part of faith. So, when the 19:19 sense of shame is gone, then whatever 19:21 we do, it won't really have an effect, 19:24 sir. That shame comes after sanctions 19:26 or punishment, sir. If there were moral 19:29 sanctions, people would feel ashamed of 19:31 being humiliated, even if it didn't 19:32 proceed to further sanctions under 19:34 positive law. But the point is, really, 19:37 how the government should provide a 19:40 good example, Sir, an example to the 19:42 public. 19:44 >> Although a Dutch saying goes that a 19:49 leader's duty is to suffer. That, that 19:52 is fitting. 19:54 >> It is indeed fitting; that Dutch term 19:56 means a leader should be like that, 19:59 suffering, setting an example to their 20:02 citizens, a good example when living in 20:05 a poor province, don't show off. 20:09 >> Yes, even if their children learn, 20:11 everyone must learn well, so the 20:13 leader's words are heard; but if a 20:15 leader says one thing and does another, 20:18 people will turn their backs on what 20:20 they say. 20:23 >> But earlier I forgot to mention about 20:25 the Indonesian pilot who was in 20:26 Ethiopia. This pilot, this is Israeli 20:31 paranoia, go ahead Doc, that hasn't 20:32 been fully revealed yet. 20:34 >> Yes, this is indeed a hot topic, Sir, 20:37 that actually... 20:40 >> The important thing for us is, Sir, 20:41 there is what's called reciprocal 20:43 punishment, even though we have no 20:45 relations with Israel, so we must also 20:47 be able to expel Israeli tourists, Sir. 20:49 Where are those Israelis? Don't be 20:52 swayed by the news, Sir. The news now 20:56 is that in Thailand there are many 20:58 Israeli communities, they have started 20:59 to create like ghettos, for example, 21:01 like, a ghetto is like their own 21:03 community, their own village, and they 21:04 are rejected by the locals; in the 21:06 Philippines it's already happening, in 21:08 Vietnam too. 21:10 >> Now this is dangerous if the government 21:12 doesn't respond quickly. 21:14 >> Then we will, or rather Bali will 21:16 experience problems, as they live in 21:18 groups, in their own ghettos. 21:21 >> And this is what I think requires firm 21:23 steps from the government. Don't let it 21:25 be that when the tourists are already 21:27 crowded, later... 21:28 >> there's a Bali Bombing three, and we're 21:29 shocked again, right? 21:31 >> That's right, Sir. 21:33 >> H 21:35 >> If it reaches 200,000 like the Russians 21:37 , Sir, it will be difficult for us to 21:39 control them. So before there are many 21:43 of them, before they take control of 21:45 Bali's economy, Sir... 21:47 >> and the Balinese people don't feel or 21:49 haven't felt the danger yet, the 21:50 government must take quick action. So 21:52 the lesson from Ethiopia Airlines can 21:55 be used as a moral sanction, a positive 21:58 sanction, or what you call it, 22:00 punishment for the crimes committed by 22:02 Israel. Even if they use dual passports 22:06 , Sir, that is not a reason for us to 22:09 let them settle in Indonesia, 22:11 especially if they try to buy an empty 22:14 island, it's over for us. 22:17 >> Yes, that's true, it's extraordinary 22:20 with the existing poverty, and that's 22:23 the best surfing center there. He 22:27 >> That's right, they always buy islands 22:29 near the beach where there's surfing; 22:32 Albania is the same, they control a 22:34 somewhat remote island. 22:37 >> Now this is what must be watched out 22:39 for by all of us, especially since our 22:41 people are poor, Sir, we are easily 22:43 bought. 22:46 >> Eventually, there will be a dependency 22:47 between the community and them, and we 22:49 will end up facing our own people. 22:54 >> Well, it seems time is parting us. What 22:58 is the message from Dr. Sarbini Abdul 23:00 Murad for our listeners this Thursday 23:02 morning, Doctor? Please, Doctor. 23:05 Perhaps as a closing, or is there 23:07 another story you would like to share? 23:10 Go ahead? 23:12 >> Yes. I think we must echo how we have 23:17 the courage to oppose Zionist groups. 23:22 >> We must do this systematically. 23:24 Together, collectively. 23:26 >> That Zionists today are very dangerous 23:28 to our country. Because Zionists are 23:31 not always just Israel, but there are 23:33 networks that can even reach the White 23:35 House, right? 23:37 >> To Capitol Hill, sir. So, we must try 23:39 to be vigilant so that... 23:42 >> We can be capable of suppressing these 23:45 Zionist influences, which would 23:47 otherwise benefit... 23:50 >> In a positive way, the state of Israel, 23:53 sir. So, in many opportunities, I have 23:56 tried to say that in Indonesia, there 23:58 are also so-called Zionists, for 24:00 instance, "black" Zionists or " 24:01 flat-nosed" Zionists, right? They still 24:05 exist, and for all of us, we must not 24:07 remain silent when certain groups—who 24:09 are indeed Indonesian—deny 24:11 nationalism and instead support the 24:14 Zionist struggle, being blind in heart 24:16 and sight regarding Gaza. Mr. Ihsan, so 24:20 we must resist. So, one of the reasons 24:23 why we oppose Andrea Bocelli, who has 24:25 been blind since childhood, is not 24:27 because we hate him, but because he has 24:30 intersections with the IDF, with 24:32 Zionists, with people who have indeed 24:34 committed genocide in Gaza. So we 24:37 consistently echo this so that our 24:40 citizens are constantly reminded that 24:42 the domestic issues we are experiencing 24:45 today are not an excuse for us to 24:47 forget our brothers and sisters, 24:49 especially those in Gaza. So, the 24:52 conflict between Yemen and Saudi is 24:53 just a small part. Do not let us be 24:55 divided to the point where we forget 24:57 about Palestine, sir. So it is 24:59 important that I convey to the 25:02 listeners, especially, that we remain 25:04 steadfast in our struggle. So that 25:07 Allah may bless all of our efforts. 25:11 Something like that, sir. 25:12 >> God willing. Thank you, Dr. Sarbini 25:14 Abdul Murad. May Allah grant you health 25:18 and blessings, and see you next 25:19 Thursday, God willing. Peace be upon 25:22 you, and Allah's mercy and blessings. 25:25 And peace be upon you, and Allah's 25:26 mercy. 
