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0:01 Brail TV. 0:09 >> Peace be upon you, and Allah's mercy 0:10 and blessings. How are you, Dr. Ben? 0:14 >> And peace be upon you, and Allah's 0:16 mercy and blessings. I'm doing well, 0:17 Mr. Ihsan. 0:19 >> MashaAllah, many people are saying 0:21 it’s the season of, "Hey, where did 0:22 you go to high school?" So, where was 0:25 it, Doc? The Doctor’s high school, 0:28 >> MashaAllah. Oh, how extraordinary. 0:31 >> Yes. Because high school days really 0:34 are,,just extraordinary, aren't they, 0:36 Doc? But there is this commotion at the 0:39 Constitutional Court over just a 0:41 diploma. This country makes simple 0:44 things complicated instead of the other 0:46 way around. But that is just how this 0:49 country of ours is. What do you see, 0:51 Dr. Ben, from this journey? Is this an 0:55 obstruction or a calibration of the 0:59 domestic political map? Because this 1:03 involves the future, not just looking 1:06 back. A couple of hours earlier, the 1:09 former leaders and the highest 1:11 authorities met; what is behind this 1:14 news? But it is no more important than 1:17 the 3 years in Gaza. It seems truly 1:21 extraordinary. 74,000 martyrs, yes. And 1:26 another 175,000 injured. These are just 1:30 the recorded ones, not to mention those 1:31 still under the rubble of buildings in 1:32 the heart of Gaza. How many? 1,000 1:36 teachers and lecturers, innalillah; 1:39 healthcare workers up to 1,700; 1:41 journalists 261, extraordinary. And 1:44 what is happening these days? Dr. Ben 1:47 might be able to give an overview of 1:49 the current developments. And it seems 1:53 the "divide and conquer" tactic is 1:55 another story when this commotion leads 1:57 to the turmoil between Saudi Arabia and 1:59 the Houthis. Will Iran become another 2:03 tale following America and Israel's 2:05 recent attacks? Ah, how do you see the 2:09 developments after 3 years? This is the 2:12 trigger for everything, isn't it? And 2:14 what lessons can we learn from the 2:17 turmoil there? It has an influence here 2:19 , you know. Please, Dr. Sarbini Abdul 2:21 Murad. 2:23 >> Thank you, Mr. Ihsan. Let's look 2:26 domestically, Mr. Ihsan, that the 2:27 Constitutional Court has granted the 2:29 request of the friends from the, uh, 2:31 what, the plaintiffs, Mr. Ihsan, yes. 2:33 >> Yeah. 2:34 >> That, uh, that the Constitutional Court 2:36 has proven that Gibran doesn't have a 2:38 diploma, sir. So actually, Mr. Ihsan, 2:40 if we look at it, Gibran isn't actually 2:42 to blame, sir. 2:44 >> This child is innocent, sir. The one to 2:47 blame is his father, sir, yes. Pushing 2:49 his child forward. My term for it is, 2:51 it's forcing a child who has reached 2:52 puberty but lacks maturity, sir. He was 2:54 just pushed and pushed, and so here he 2:57 is. We actually see that he doesn't 2:59 have any comments at all, sir. He has 3:02 no response, he's not reactive, 3:04 everything is flat, sir, yes. Meeting 3:06 Prabowo, his father, it's all his 3:07 father. So, if we are talking about 3:09 being a good parent, Gibran shouldn't 3:11 have been brought out, actually, yes. 3:13 This is a public issue, a big issue, a 3:15 national issue, sir. 3:17 >> Almost 300 million Indonesian citizens 3:20 are then given a heavy task for a child 3:22 who is indeed 3:24 >> Sorry, Sir, it doesn't connect. We 3:26 aren't blaming him, Sir, it doesn't 3:28 connect, but he was forced by his 3:30 father, and he is a pious son who 3:32 follows what his father says; that is 3:35 the problem, Mr. Isa, so the whole of 3:37 Indonesia is dizzy thinking about him. 3:39 So, it is actually true what the 3:41 Prophet said, al-haya'u minal iman. 3:43 Modesty is a part of faith. Actually, 3:45 in a context like this, if Gibran had 3:47 any shame, he would say, "I'll step 3:48 down, enough with all this commotion, I 3:50 feel even more ashamed." Instead, he is 3:53 still defending himself, Mr. Isat. This 3:55 is what is happening, not to mention 3:57 the negotiations of his father's 3:58 meeting with Prabowo. 4:00 >> Only God knows. We hope, as children of 4:03 the nation, we hope for the best for 4:05 this nation. We look at how it was in 4:08 the past, from the presidents to 4:10 Mohammad Hatta, 4:12 >> up to, what was it, Mr. Ma'ruf Amin 4:13 yesterday, those were people who were 4:15 highly regarded, right? 4:17 >> Suddenly, this person, oh my God, Sir. 4:21 The best, Sir, for us, it's the best. 4:23 >> Yes. Now, then Mr. Isa, we 4:25 >> Yes, how? 4:26 >> Continue. No, I'm just, just, just 4:28 connecting it. Right now, Indonesia is 4:31 ranked as a "fatherless" country, right 4:34 ? But this one, the father's attention 4:37 to his child is overwhelming, and what 4:40 about our memory regarding our families 4:43 , so we know how to deal with children; 4:46 how does Dr. Ben see or advise parents 4:49 regarding their children? What do you 4:52 think, Doc? Yes, parental love for 4:56 children is indeed eternal, Sir. For 4:59 instance, a child's love for their 5:01 parents is only as long as a pole. But 5:03 parental love for a child is as long as 5:04 the road. 5:05 >> So we are actually calculating, 5:08 calculating whether Gibran is suitable. 5:11 Forgive me, Sir, let alone for mayor, 5:12 even for a neighborhood head (RT), we 5:14 think twice about becoming one. So 5:16 parents should actually know and 5:18 understand their child's condition 5:19 better. So we push our child. Okay, we 5:22 support the child if they truly have 5:24 quality, and when the child is pushed 5:26 forward, the public says, "Wow, this is 5:29 great." H 5:30 >> This is right. So, even if people don't 5:32 like it because it's not a monarchical 5:34 system, most people still understand, " 5:36 It's okay, this kid is smart." So even 5:39 if there is rejection, there is also 5:41 validation from people when they see 5:42 the child's figure. But this is not the 5:46 case, so to parents, I think we must 5:48 help push children according to their 5:50 talents and abilities so they don't 5:52 become the subject of gossip in every 5:54 corner of the earth, Sir. So 5:57 >> that is a huge impact, Sir, not just 6:00 for him. If we push him and only he 6:02 becomes the victim or the loser, that 6:03 would be fine, Sir. This involves all 6:05 of Indonesia. Imagine. 6:07 >> Oh, my God. Will Prabowo be alone? He 6:10 has to work by himself, work by 6:12 consulting on Indonesia's mess, 6:14 consulting with a Vice President, it 6:16 won't be tidier, Sir, it will be even 6:18 messier, Sir, so this is 6:21 >> That is also what makes Prabowo dizzy, 6:24 right? Now, I think that's it, Mr. Sama 6:26 . My message to all parents, including 6:29 myself as a parent, is that we should 6:31 support and help our children according 6:33 to our means, without going overboard, 6:35 so it doesn't cause any, uh, unpleasant 6:37 things in public. 6:39 >> Okay. Okay. Yeah. 6:41 >> Yes. That is the story. Let's see where 6:44 this drama is heading. But the world is 6:46 still not doing okay. Please, Doctor. 6:51 Let's try to move on to the Middle East 6:53 , Sir. Yes, indeed, this is getting, 6:55 getting more complicated, Sir. Gaza is 6:58 actually the focal point for everyone, 7:00 especially the Arab nations, Mr. Ihsan. 7:02 Now it has shifted to Yemen, Mr. Ihsan. 7:04 So if we look back a few weeks, the 7:07 Saudi Arabia coalition faced many 7:09 obstacles dealing with the Houthis plus 7:12 Iran, Mr. Ihsan. Today, they don't want 7:15 to be defeated. So they are trying to 7:17 retaliate to put up a fight, Mr. Ihsan. 7:21 So if we see how Saudi and the UAE used 7:24 to be at odds, now they have united in 7:27 facing this great coalition. Sir, so 7:30 even Iran is in a difficult position, 7:33 Sir. So if, for example, Iran goes 7:36 all-out to defend the Houthis, they 7:38 also need energy and support from 7:40 international parties to face America. 7:43 Because they are waiting for November. 7:45 If in November, for example, the 7:47 Republican Party wins the election, 7:49 perhaps the war will continue. But if, 7:51 for example, the Democrats win, maybe 7:53 they will evaluate the war. So I see, 7:56 Sir, there must be parties that can 7:59 mediate, so a prolonged conflict does 8:01 not occur. Because Iran has a great 8:04 interest in Bab-el-Mandeb. Because if 8:07 Bab-el-Mandeb can be controlled by 8:09 pro-Iran parties, then Iran's influence 8:12 to pressure pro-American or proxy 8:14 countries will be even greater, Sir. So 8:17 if, for example, Iran does not help, if 8:19 the Houthis lose, this will also have 8:22 an impact on Iran's influence in 8:24 pressuring Gulf countries or America 8:26 regarding the control of Mandeb. 8:29 >> I can imagine if, for example, Iran 8:31 could control the Strait of Hormuz and 8:34 then Bab-el-Mandeb, there would be two 8:36 narrow straits that are vital arteries 8:38 for the world economy controlled by 8:41 Iran, making Iran's position very 8:43 strong. Now, because of that, this is a 8:45 gamble, in my opinion, Sir. Saudi has a 8:48 strong stake, and Iran also has...A 8:50 strong stake in winning this 8:52 competition or battle on the Yemeni 8:55 Peninsula, Sir. 8:56 >> So I 8:57 >> think this will be even, even more 8:58 complicated, Sir. Not to mention being 9:01 spiced up by current geopolitical 9:04 factors, it will make the sparks grow 9:06 bigger and bigger. 9:09 >> Yeah. Meanwhile, the trigger for all of 9:14 this was 3 years ago when the Al-Aqsa 9:16 Flood happened, this, uh, what, the 9:19 world remembers the genocide that is 9:21 happening in Gaza. Ah, have they 9:25 started to forget? But in the blue 9:27 continent and all over the earth, this 9:30 story is getting more crowded and there 9:32 are many tales behind the tale. How is 9:35 it, Doc? Yes, Sir. Indeed, we see, sir, 9:39 a shift in public attention regarding 9:41 Gaza, especially in the Middle East. We 9:44 must admit, sir, that the Yemen case is 9:46 draining all resources and power in the 9:48 Middle East, not to mention the 9:50 conflict between America and Iran. 9:53 Israel is using this opportunity or gap 9:55 to continue seizing Gaza, which is 9:57 already 80%occupied, and they will push 10:00 forward until they potentially control 10:02 all of Gaza. So, the scenario of 10:05 expelling the people of Gaza to turn it 10:08 into a new metropolitan city is 10:10 becoming increasingly likely. 10:14 >> Moreover, the UN is ineffective; the 10:16 international community lacks the teeth 10:19 and power, sir, to be able to...... 10:22 >> resolve the issues happening in Gaza. 10:24 So everything is being ignored, sir, 10:25 the whole world is being ignored. And 10:27 in Europe, we see, for example, that 10:30 England is angry at Israel. 10:32 >> But England's anger toward Israel is 10:34 not primarily because of the Gaza 10:35 factor, but rather because of the 10:37 situation in the West Bank. 10:40 >> The West Bank is the main issue, 10:42 because there are Christian communities 10:44 there that have an emotional connection 10:46 with Europeans, although they do not 10:48 disregard what is happening in Gaza. 10:52 And there is indeed a major shift, sir, 10:55 in Europe, especially among the 10:57 blue-collar demographic, who used to 10:59 view Israel as the chosen people. But 11:03 seeing today's reality, the younger 11:05 generation is starting to shift, 11:07 realizing that what Israel is doing 11:09 today must truly be stopped. So, the 11:13 pressure on England—for example, from 11:15 the Conservative Party—where the 11:17 former prime minister fell and power 11:19 shifted to the Labour Party today. 11:22 >> And the Labour Party today is truly a 11:24 party that supports Palestine, not to 11:26 mention the Green Party. 11:27 >> The Green Party has even decided that 11:30 Israel is a racist state. So, Europe 11:32 has actually started to shift, sir. It 11:36 has shifted; they are fed up with 11:38 Israel's behavior. Furthermore, take 11:41 Kosovo or Albania, for example; while 11:43 their governments are very pro-Israel 11:46 ......the proof is when what? When 11:50 Trump's son built property in Albania, 11:52 for instance, thousands of Albanian 11:54 people rose up to protest. They did not 11:57 agree, they did not want it. They fear 11:59 it will end up like Palestine, buying 12:00 land little by little, until eventually 12:02 ...... 12:03 >> it becomes theirs. As the Acehnese 12:05 people say, it's like the Dutch 12:07 colonizers—they keep taking until it 12:08 all belongs to them. So I see, sir, 12:11 that Indonesia is now ranked second as 12:13 the country that hates Israel the most. 12:17 Turkey is first, and for the second, 12:19 the pro-Israel buzzers have all failed 12:22 to convince the Indonesian public to at 12:24 least be neutral, even if they aren't 12:27 pro-Israel, just neutral in viewing 12:29 this case. 12:31 >> In my content, I have observed that 12:34 there are indeed many Israeli people 12:38 who are not closing their hearts to the 12:41 issues happening in Palestine. So this 12:46 hatred, sir, is a form of—what is it, 12:48 using the term from Caspian, sir? 12:51 >> That Israel is the chosen people but is 12:54 doing the devil's work; those were his 12:56 exact words. So, in these past three 13:00 years, Mr. Isan, what Israel has been 13:01 doing must truly be our collective 13:03 focus so that we do not forget. Society 13:06 must truly rise up and see what we can 13:09 do. So, what the wives of Mr. Isan did 13:14 in cancelling the music concert—is a 13:21 form of hatred. 13:23 >> Our public's hatred toward Israel is 13:25 something we appreciate in the 13:26 government's move. Although issues like 13:29 immigration and Bali are not yet 13:31 handled, sir, for this one time, we 13:33 appreciate the government for having 13:35 the courage to deny visas for this 13:37 concert, even though they once came to 13:39 Indonesia in 2008. But that was before 13:42 this case existed, Mr. Isan. 13:44 >> So, actually, what made Indonesia angry 13:46 or the government ban it wasn't the 13:48 concert itself, sir. It is because this 13:51 Israel Hoston is provocative in 13:53 defending Israel, right? So, the people 13:56 of Indonesia must show our support for 13:58 Palestine. But if we provide a path or 14:02 an opportunity for them to hold a 14:03 concert here, then our commitment is a 14:06 double standard. On one side we defend 14:09 Palestine, but on the other side, we 14:11 don't care about the actors who are 14:13 pro-Israel. Even though, Mr. Isan, 14:16 there are many Hollywood people or 14:17 American singers who are pro-Palestine. 14:19 They are blacklisted and kicked out of 14:21 their clubs. So, what we are actually 14:24 doing is no different from what they 14:26 have done to those—whether they are 14:29 athletes or even artists—who are 14:31 pro-Palestine and shout "Free Palestine 14:34 ." They also receive punishment just 14:37 like those who are pro-Palestine and 14:40 anti-Israel, sir. 14:43 >> So, I see this balance as a natural 14:45 consequence of what Israel has done to 14:48 Gaza. I am confident that, moving 14:50 forward, they will become a pariah 14:52 nation. Especially in America now, 14:55 heading toward November, many who are 14:58 pro-Palestine are—mashallah—gaining 15:01 good rankings in the American public 15:03 eye. 15:06 >> Dr. Sarbini Abdul Murad, Sheikh Yassin 15:09 once expressed a premonition about the 15:13 end of Zionist Israel—not Jewish, 15:16 mind you. This Zionism will end in 2027 15:20 . That is only a few months away, and 15:23 many developments have occurred in 15:25 these past two or three months. What 15:28 does Dr. Sarbini Abdul Murad see after 15:31 connecting with the people of Gaza and 15:34 observing the turmoil in this world? Is 15:39 it possible, or is there still a long 15:41 story for this nation? 15:43 >> But Mr. Ian, I see that what Mr. Isa 15:45 said is true, Mr. Ian. But I do not see 15:48 that Israel will be eliminated from the 15:51 world map in 2027; I don't think it's 15:53 going that way, even if it happens, it 15:55 won't be in 2027. 15:58 >> But I see it in this context, just as 16:00 Mr. Isa said earlier, that indeed. 16:02 >> We see that today, Sir, Israel is 16:04 starting to face reality. Much of the 16:06 hatred toward Israel is a form of the 16:09 prophecy from Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, Sir. 16:12 Moreover, Sir, if this election victory 16:15 in America is truly a tremendous blow 16:17 to the Zionists, to AIPAC. How the 16:22 American public has opened their eyes 16:23 to see that their country has been a 16:25 slave, enslaved by the Zionists. So I 16:29 think the meaning of the statement or 16:31 the prophecy from Sheikh Yassin, I look 16:34 more in that direction, Sir, that there 16:37 will be a demise for the Zionists with 16:39 this situation. So all the causes are 16:43 because they are indeed committing 16:45 genocide, which is truly outside the 16:47 context of human civilization today, 16:50 Sir. So I believe that, Sir, even if it 16:53 does not mean that the state of Israel 16:55 will be eliminated, Sir. No, no, it's 16:57 not heading that way. 16:58 >> Yes. I also read a lot of news that 17:00 it's possible a civil war could happen 17:03 between the Jews and the Zionists in 17:05 Israel itself. Looking at the current 17:07 developments, it's 51-53. In the 17:11 surveys that have occurred, there will 17:14 be internal turmoil. How does Dr. Ben 17:17 see it? Is what they say about being 17:19 united while actually being divided 17:22 happening, or what? 17:23 >> Yes. There is a rabbi whose thoughts 17:29 were leaked, Sir, a rabbi—whether 17:32 he's Albanian or what—who said that. 17:38 >> Israel would actually be better off 17:41 under an Arab state or not having their 17:43 own country; it means their internal 17:46 state isn't as solid as we see, we 17:48 actually know that. 17:51 >> Israeli citizens are immigrants, Sir, 17:54 they are all from outside, newcomers. 17:57 They had hopes that coming to the 17:59 promised land, according to them, the 18:01 promised land was for what? To build 18:05 something, to improve their status, or 18:08 for better income. Suddenly, with the 18:11 current conditions, they have become a 18:13 pariah state everywhere, so turmoil 18:14 could happen, Mr. Ian. That is why in 18:17 the elections today, Sir, the highest 18:19 rating is not Benjamin's. Others are in 18:21 higher positions. That is why. 18:22 >> Their internal state is broken. The 18:24 logic is like this, Mr. Ian: who would 18:27 want to be in constant conflict, chased 18:29 by people, and risk being killed, you 18:31 know? Yes, Sir. People certainly don't 18:34 want that. 18:34 >> So, so I think it is heading that way, 18:37 sir. Internally, they will experience, 18:39 uh, divisions, and that is indeed 18:41 caused by what I mentioned earlier, the 18:44 collective sin they have committed 18:46 against the Palestinian people, both in 18:48 the West Bank and in Gaza. Sir. 18:51 >> Rabbi Don, uh, what, Rabbi Dof Lando 18:54 from Lithuania who is in Israel said, 18:57 as Dr. Ben mentioned earlier, ah, what 18:59 can you see from, uh, what is it, the 19:02 upheaval in the Middle East, this is 19:05 the mother of all upheavals, uh, this 19:08 is indeed the Zionists who have staked 19:11 their claim from the Tigris River to 19:14 the Euphrates River. Their flag is blue 19:17 on top and blue on the bottom, and does 19:20 it seem like they are powerless against 19:22 Iran when this one country is so solid? 19:25 What does Dr. Ben see behind Iran, 19:28 which today is giving repeated warnings 19:30 ? Beware, if you attack from Middle 19:32 Eastern countries, it will not be like 19:34 yesterday. This will be a different 19:36 story. How so, Doc? Yes. Yes. Well, we 19:40 can see right now, sir, there is 19:42 consolidation happening in each country 19:45 . 19:45 >> Yes. 19:46 >> America is consolidating its troops, 19:48 sir, 50,000 ground troops are being 19:50 prepared right now. 19:52 >> Then, uh, Israel is also preparing, uh, 19:55 >> what? Airfields, uh, airbases for 19:58 American fighter jets. So it seems, sir 20:01 , there are signs of an impending war 20:04 or attack by America or Israel on Iran 20:06 after the election results in November, 20:09 uh, on the 4th, sir. I see that if this 20:13 happens, then 20:15 >> I cannot imagine, sir, what kind of 20:17 global shocks will occur. Because after 20:20 all, the Middle East is, uh, what, the 20:22 center of the economy, the world's 20:24 energy center. So if this turbulence 20:27 happens, I think, masyaallah, sir, I 20:29 cannot imagine, it will be a long story 20:31 , but the most important thing for us, 20:33 sir, is how, uh, Palestine can be saved 20:35 . Iran is a strong country, a large 20:38 country, with a large population, sir. 20:40 So whatever happens between them, 20:43 America and Israel, sir, for us, it is 20:46 how Palestine can rise again and Israel 20:49 can get out of Gaza. That is what we 20:52 hope for. What we hope for. That is why 20:54 when there is an MOU between America 20:57 and Israel, uh, with America and Iran, 20:59 there is no explicit clause stating 21:02 that Israel must actually get out of 21:04 there. But indeed, we must give Iran 21:06 the benefit of the doubt in this matter 21:08 . That is why going forward, what we 21:11 hope for all of us, sir, is that 21:12 whatever 21:13 >> uh, whatever the event, Israel must get 21:16 out of Gaza and Gaza must live normally 21:18 as before. Indeed. 21:20 >> Masyaallah. Masyaallah. Uh, ending the 21:23 story, we are approaching 30 minutes of 21:24 our discussion, time flies. What does 21:27 Dr. Ben, uh, want to express in the 21:30 midst of 3 years of turmoil in Gaza 21:34 that has become a symbol of global 21:37 genocide? And there was even a 21:40 Christian who previously said, why does 21:43 hell exist? Finally, they understood, 21:45 oh, if this is how it is, then hell 21:47 must exist. Atheists who did not 21:51 understand before. How does Dr. Ben see 21:54 the wisdom in all of this, how should 21:56 listeners respond to the current 21:58 turmoil, and what should Rasil 22:00 listeners do? Please go ahead, Doc. Yes 22:04 , what is certain, Sir, is that the 22:06 turmoil will be long. Prophecies have 22:09 stated that the end times involve a 22:11 battle between Muslims and the Jews or 22:13 Israel in this case. So, our actual 22:16 commitment is to have the stamina to 22:20 maintain and defend Palestine in any 22:23 form, Mr. Is. I see that today our 22:26 public is constantly presented with 22:29 various activities that remind us of 22:31 the events occurring in Gaza, 22:33 especially today, Mr. Is. Whether it is 22:38 through discussions or BMBT, we bring 22:40 it up so that our public, especially 22:43 Rasil listeners, never forget that a 22:45 major event is taking place in this 22:48 last century. A major event of the 22:53 slaughter of our brothers in Gaza, and 22:56 we must not forget our prayers for them 22:59 , Sir, so that they can be free, 23:01 independent, and enjoy life just as we 23:04 do today. And the dynamics of the world 23:10 and Indonesia, Mr. Isa, are like world 23:12 ornaments that we are required to 23:15 participate in and contribute to. We 23:19 cannot be passive, even though our own 23:22 situation is not perfect, but this is a 23:24 form of social, humanitarian, and 23:27 communal responsibility to our brothers 23:29 in Palestine, Mr. Is. 23:32 >> Masha Allah. Thank you, Dr. Sarbini 23:35 Abdul Murad; hopefully, Allah grants 23:37 blessings, and the Palestinian people 23:40 can truly enjoy their independence. 23:44 Thank you, Dr. Ben. Peace be upon you, 23:46 and Allah's mercy and blessings. 23:48 >> And peace be upon you, and Allah's 23:49 mercy and blessings, Mr. Ihsan. 
