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0:01 Brail TV. 0:09 Peace be upon you, Dr. Sarbini Abdul 0:11 Murad. How are you? 0:14 And may Allah bless you and grant you 0:16 peace. Good news, Mr. Ihsan? 0:18 Alhamdulillah. That's the important 0:20 thing. This is currently busy in New 0:23 York. Dr. Band is monitoring it 0:24 continuously, right? But indeed, this 0:27 demonstration is being held by a 0:29 multitude of Jewish organizations. This 0:33 is also a funny story, it seems like a 0:35 kind of salawat asgil (asgil prayer). 0:38 The listeners also want to know what 0:41 the contingent is up to, is it football 0:44 or sports, or the Indonesian delegation 0:46 ? The Indonesian delegation is led by 0:51 their extraordinary foreign minister, 0:54 Men Sugiono. Why not have a president? 0:59 Oh, a vice president, right? He has a 1:01 bachelor's degree, in what field? 1:03 Bachelor of science, in marketing from 1:05 the University of Bradford, England. So 1:08 , why is this happening, Doctor Ben? 1:12 What is Dr. Sarbini saw this from Hang 1:15 Hengghong 1 and also the media 1:17 highlighting the shouts of "Free 1:19 Palestine" at ee Gontor recently. But 1:23 President Trump expressed his gratitude 1:26 for the delegation's readiness to send 1:29 to Gaza. That's another story, the BOP 1:32 issue, which seems to have yet to show 1:35 its teeth there. The Israeli delegation 1:40 walked out of Erdogan's speech in Gaza, 1:43 but Trump's general assembly speech 1:46 also made another note. Well, that's 1:50 the story in New York, and of course 1:53 I'm also curious as to why Saudi Arabia 1:55 seems overwhelmed in dealing with Haiti 1:57 . Isn't its capacity extraordinary with 2:01 this so-called splinter group of Haiti 2:03 there? How does Dr. Ben view the 2:07 current global turmoil? And of course, 2:11 there are other things the doctor would 2:13 like to share, various stories in the 2:15 republic and the world today that are 2:17 not going well. Please, Dr. Sarbini 2:20 Abdul Murad. 2:22 Yes, thank you, Mr. Ihsan. Indeed, we 2:25 see that the person sent by the 2:27 President is Foreign Minister, Mr. 2:29 Sugiono. 2:30 Hehe. Well, we see that in fact it is 2:33 legitimate, Mr. ee Mr. Ihsan, whether 2:35 it is foreign or foreign, but we 2:39 are citizens and this is a decision 2:42 made by a president. 2:45 We made a mark because during Jokowi's 2:47 term, the president was the one who was 2:49 sent by the president to 2:52 speak in front of the UN public. Well, 2:55 later in the second term, he was sent 2:57 by Benjuret. 2:58 H. Well, in my opinion, Mr. Istan is 3:01 one of the president's concerns, what 3:04 is it for abroad, that there must be an 3:06 Indonesian delegation coming to speak 3:09 there. But the question is, why not the 3:12 vice president? This, in my opinion, is 3:16 an indication that the president is not 3:18 confident in the capacity of a vice 3:21 president to speak in public. So, 3:25 maybe he thinks like this, Sir, if for 3:28 example WP is there, oh why can't I, no 3:30 no no no no, oh it's not comfortable, 3:33 no no, I'm sure it will fail, Mr. Isah, 3:36 there is confidence in the president, 3:38 for example, if he sends the vice 3:41 president. But if the public might see 3:44 many things from various angles, Mr. 3:45 Isan, that there is a communication 3:47 rift between the president and the vice 3:49 president. Because during the G20 3:53 meeting in Johannesburg, South Africa, 3:56 the president was only sent once to 3:59 represent Indonesia, or was he 4:01 represented by the vice president. But 4:06 after that, the president did not give 4:08 the vice president any special tasks, 4:10 especially abroad. So, this is my 4:13 question as a citizen, sir, paying 4:15 attention to 4:17 the dynamics of foreign policy, I think 4:19 there is something that is not in line 4:21 between the president and the president 4:23 . 4:24 But my desire is one of distrust, 4:26 distrust of the vice president's 4:28 ability to not only give speeches, sir, 4:30 everyone can give speeches, sir. So, 4:34 there are many things that must be done 4:36 , for example, how he should meet with 4:38 representatives of other countries to 4:40 discuss many domestic issues, the 4:41 Palestinian issue, and so on. In fact, 4:45 perhaps in this context, the message, 4:47 eh, Mr. President, is somewhat doubtful 4:50 , even Minister Sugiono, although 4:52 Sugiono rarely speaks at international 4:55 meetings or international conferences, 4:58 but I think his capacity still allows 5:00 him to speak. Moreover, he firmly said 5:03 that eh, we shouldn't talk too much, 5:05 don't talk nonsense. That's roughly the 5:07 language, huh. We have to do 5:09 what caused the president to usually be 5:11 the happiest when he goes abroad, but 5:12 this time, why did he put the brakes on 5:13 it? What's another story, and also the 5:17 problem with the vice president, right? 5:20 There are accusations of what a fake 5:21 graduate, they say, like the legal team 5:23 at the Constitutional Court. How do you 5:26 see this? Uh, D, 5:30 I see a positive shock, sir, maybe the 5:32 patient is tired, sir, he's been 5:33 running around 5:35 too much, ee, raun-raun-raun, he's been 5:41 traveling everywhere, so maybe he's 5:43 tired if we're positive, sir, Isannya, 5:45 that 5:46 For this time I'm not present, but this 5:48 is indeed questionable. Because, the 5:50 president usually enjoys forums like 5:52 this, enjoys meetings, speeches, and 5:54 then enjoys hearing people's applause, 5:55 for example. But in this content, I 5:58 don't, it's okay to draw conclusions, 6:00 but it could be that he's afraid of you 6:02 , sir, asking for this money, "Why 6:03 haven't you given the money yet?" Well, 6:06 he's afraid maybe it's complicated... 6:12 because because he said, Sir, thank you 6:14 to Indonesia, right? 6:15 But I see, 6:18 thousands of troops are really prepared 6:21 or what, Doc, like this, Sir, the 6:22 information we got is limited, Pal, 6:24 other countries are already on standby 6:27 there. Is it Albania, Kazakhstan, they 6:30 are already on standby there, but 6:32 Indonesia is not yet. So, there are 50 6:34 countries gathered, Sir, military and 6:37 civilians at Karyat G, Sir, what is the 6:40 purpose of the 6:41 BOP and the USF headquarters, but 6:43 Indonesia, I got, I've been looking for 6:46 information, I haven't found it yet, 6:48 Sir, because 6:49 when I was in SF, it was from Indonesia 6:51 , Sir, the commander was 6:52 from America, the time was from 6:54 Indonesia, but in my opinion, what is 6:57 my guess, that ee, the decision that 7:00 the president personally took from BOP 7:03 and ISF, what ee, such a strong 7:05 reaction of rejection, extraordinary 7:08 rejection, not only ee, not all certain 7:11 groups, but from 7:13 ee, former, ee, former, former vice 7:16 presidents, and so on. What clothes did 7:19 he wear, whether PBW or not, it's not 7:22 clear. And where the funding comes from 7:25 is also a recurring question. And it 7:30 seems President Trump can't get Israel 7:32 to take action, why manage Gaza, right, 7:34 Doc? That's 7:37 right, Mr. Isa. So, this is still the 7:39 question of having to contribute around 7:41 17 trillion, Sir. Where does that money 7:43 come from? So, 7:46 perhaps the initial thought I read 7:48 earlier entered President Pan's mind 7:50 was that I thought he was joining the 7:52 BOP and sending a large troop 7:54 contribution, from 20 to 8,000 Paksan. 7:56 He. 7:57 So he thought that Indonesia could 7:59 contribute and this was a narrow gap 8:01 that could liberate Palestine. Maybe 8:04 that was the president's initial 8:05 assumption, Sir. Because he said yes 8:08 first, prepared first, then thought. 8:10 Then, Sir, it's different from 8:12 civilians, when I said 8:17 yes, yes. 8:18 That was after he was ready, with BOP 8:20 members ready to send troops. But after 8:24 the trip, it seemed like there were 8:26 lots of problems with the mines, and 8:28 Israel didn't show any positive 8:30 indication or performance, Mr. Eksan. 8:33 So, Indonesia there also couldn't make 8:36 a big contribution, even though he said 8:38 that if there were no signs of 8:40 independence and humanitarian 8:42 improvements, Indonesia would be 8:44 involved, but in reality, Mr. Isa 8:46 wasn't involved. I. 8:49 So, that's why the Free Palestine event 8:51 in Gontor, in my opinion, could be 8:53 twofold, twofold, that maybe the 8:57 place is here, all the clerics are 8:59 there, there's the Palestinian 9:00 Ambassador, 9:02 and I think this was spontaneous, to 9:04 show that Indonesia is with Palestine, 9:08 but in reality, a president is enough 9:10 with free-feal, but he has to do many 9:13 things to make the conditions in Gaza 9:15 more conducive. So, when Sugodo gave 9:18 his speech in the UN general affairs, 9:21 he said we don't need to talk, we need 9:23 action, right? So, he met with the 9:26 countries that initiated the BOP, one 9:28 of them was. But the question, Mr. Is, 9:31 if everyone is talking, we shouldn't be 9:33 talking. 9:34 H, 9:35 don't talk but no one is doing anything 9:37 , everyone is like 9:40 that, what's that? Okay, so people 9:42 become OIC. So, so this is an 9:44 organization that wastes money but has 9:47 no benefits. Mayanfa said people like 9:49 that, Sir. So 9:53 there is still a question, Sir, has 9:56 Indonesia deposited the money? This is 9:58 still unclear, Sir Isa. Because it said 10:01 17 trillion in storage, 10:04 even though in the story the money was 10:06 lost, who knows where, but I want to 10:08 deny it, but I deny it, I have no 10:09 evidence, whether we are 10:12 half full or what, I don't know, it's 10:14 just dark, 10:15 so now because there is a coalition, 10:17 the government coalition with the DPR, 10:19 all the strategic decisions of the 10:21 government are all dark, Sir, Ustaz, 10:24 for example, as dark as this, Ustaz, 10:26 for example, Sir, is the Kereta Jati 10:28 airport swollen, the workshop, the 10:30 workshop, about America, right? Oh no, 10:34 he said, Right. No, but what I asked 10:37 was there was an American flag, then it 10:39 was big, right? He. 10:42 So there is something covered up, Sir. 10:43 Covered up. For example, there is FL, 10:46 what is it, I flew, that is, the flight 10:48 permit for an American plane, right? 10:51 The Minister said we are not going 10:53 there, but the world says the 10:55 international media says Indonesia 10:56 agreed with that, by allowing American 10:58 planes to fly back and forth without 11:00 permission, Sir. So, there are some 11:03 things that are being covered up, sir. 11:06 This is a risk of a coalition between 11:08 the government and the legislature, so 11:10 many things must be revealed, covered 11:12 up, and covered up together, just like 11:14 the KPU in the past. The KPU and 11:17 Jokowi's diploma, his son, are like 11:18 that of the police. They say it's 11:21 stupid now that the Constitutional 11:23 Court is in charge, so this is 11:24 embarrassing. We're dealing with 11:27 various things, they say even 11:28 processing a diploma is difficult. This 11:31 country, they say, this one, this one 11:32 is sometimes funny, right? This is such 11:35 a simple matter. There's an institution 11:37 , there's this, there's just one matter 11:39 that takes 2-3 hours to complete. 11:41 What's going on? 11:42 That's it, sir, because because because 11:44 because there's been a lot of scrutiny 11:46 from the start. There's scrutiny about 11:48 what's going on, there's 11:49 this evil miar. So now, in the course 11:52 of 11:54 regime change, the commitment of the 11:55 subordinates or the upstream 11:56 balang-hulu balang to the former 11:58 president is no longer strong. So, so 12:01 yes 12:03 I think this is a smart move by Deni 12:05 Indrayana B, a professor, he is smart, 12:08 he doesn't want to have a confrontation 12:10 like Roso, he doesn't, but he did it 12:12 with Bonar Matua, Sir, 12:16 I tried to go straight to the 12:17 Constitutional Court, especially there, 12:18 uncle, uncle, is no longer there, uncle 12:20 , so the opportunity is 12:22 right, 12:24 but I must not imagine the energy that 12:26 must be maintained, this is a long 12:27 journey to face something like this, 12:29 there are many people who are a bit 12:31 frustrated along the way, Doc. And 12:35 society, Sir, the 12:38 problem of struggle, Sir, that's why a 12:41 fighter needs a long breath, needs 12:43 energy and 12:46 good intentions, intentions are 12:48 important, but if the intention is a 12:50 bit crooked, like he, 12:52 it breaks down along the 12:54 way, but 12:56 like Egi, for example, Eggi, fighting, 12:58 right, so he can break up, but if for 12:59 example he is sincere for the nation 13:01 and state and this is part of the party 13:03 , I think 13:05 all obstacles are overcome and that is 13:07 for jihad. That's why it's 13:09 important, that's why it's long, that's 13:11 the risk, for example. So not everyone 13:14 is ready for that risk. 13:16 I see, yes, back to the Middle East, 13:18 Doc. This is a risk and also 13:21 extraordinary energy from the hoti 13:24 group in Yemen. Saudi Arabia is 13:27 extraordinary, Doc. That's wow, bah beh 13:31 . But why does it seem overwhelmed 13:34 facing this Haut? Even Babel Mandep is 13:38 already in its grip. I only attacked 13:41 Saudi. America didn't even make peace 13:43 with America. The one over there said 13:46 no to Saudi ee Iran. I only attacked 13:49 military bases. What kind of game is 13:52 going on and how can this be, Bro? It 13:55 turns out money can't buy all the 13:57 world's troops to secure their country. 13:59 How do you see it, Bro? 14:03 No, I remember, Sir, I remember 20 14:05 years ago, Sir, there was a friend, Sir 14:08 , he was the commander of the PM PM in 14:10 Banda Aceh, Sir, 14:12 I chatted with him. 14:13 Chatted with him. 14:15 Well, the story goes like this, Sir, I 14:17 studied at Forbreak, they said in 14:19 America. 14:20 He. 14:21 Well, the students were officers from 14:23 one of the Saudi Arabian universities, 14:24 yes, from Arabia, they said. 14:26 Oh. Well, that's why there's a 14:29 correlation, Sir, I'll say it like this 14:32 , my score is in the middle, eh Sir, 14:35 I'm in the middle, 60-65, yes, the 14:37 highest score is the two American 14:40 marines and the Israeli army, yes. 14:44 But the lowest score is the Saudi 14:45 Arabian army, they say. Oh Arabi. 14:50 So we concluded, Sir. The conclusion is 14:52 that these Arabs have a lot of 14:54 sophisticated weapons, 14:55 but they can't use them, then they 14:57 entrust them to other people. 15:00 Well, the ones who handle them are 15:02 Pakistanis, American soldiers who 15:03 aren't them. 15:05 So the Saudi army that is very 15:07 sophisticated is the one that is truly 15:08 disciplined, it's called the royal 15:10 guard, wrong, that's the royal guard. 15:12 But the others, they still have a 15:13 tribal system. No, not the same as us. 15:16 Different from Hoti. Hoti is indeed 15:17 solid, they are an army, even though 15:19 they have a militia, but they are solid 15:21 , Sir Is. 15:23 So, Mr. IS's conclusion is that even 15:25 though their weapons are incredibly 15:27 sophisticated, basically, Sir Is, but 15:29 the ones who use them are not them, Sir 15:31 , the American soldiers, Pakistani 15:33 soldiers, eh, those, they don't have 15:35 the spirit to be able to fight or use 15:37 weapons as they defend their country, 15:39 Sir. Hm. 15:42 Well, for example, the Israeli attack 15:46 in 2 ee 82 or 92 on the Iraqi nuclear 15:49 reactor in OS Iraq. Iraq's 15:53 fighter jets passed through Saudi 15:55 Arabian territory and all the radar 15:57 systems were held by the American 15:59 military. America held the American 16:02 combat troops, just koling-koling. 16:04 Koling-koling. Hello, how are you? B 16:06 I'm passing by, it's not like that, 16:08 Ustaz. He 16:09 just beat up the Iraqi rector. Well, 16:12 like that, Mr. Is. Well, that's why 16:14 it's natural, Mr. Is, why Saudi Arabia 16:17 uses mercenaries, 16:19 both local people, local Sunni tribes, 16:21 Pakan, which indeed have sentiments? 16:25 Sectarian sentiments. 16:26 Yes. ee with the Colombians, people 16:28 feel that the Colombians and they fight 16:33 , if there is payment, people who have 16:35 payment, it's impossible for them to be 16:37 enthusiastic as careful, he's already 16:41 from the 16:41 ideology of jihad, Sir, 16:44 one hub of the world, this one person, 16:46 Sir, sophisticated, yes, 16:48 yes, 16:49 they are sophisticated. Their weapons 16:51 were trained by Iran and they are 16:53 serious about mastering the technology, 16:55 so they use locally made weapons. The 16:59 impression is that they fired, their 17:00 missile fighter jets destroyed Saudi 17:02 Arabian tanks with local equipment. And 17:06 I think that even though they have been 17:08 present in Yemen for 12 years, sir, 17:10 they already control 80%of Yemen. 80%, 17:14 sir. Isat 20%is still developing again 17:16 now. Correct. But is this narrative 17:20 that is said to come from Yemen and Sam 17:22 and also the devil's horns from Hijaz, 17:25 it is indeed something like that, how 17:28 do you see the narrative of the 17:30 arguments that have developed, whether 17:32 they are genuine or false? But uh, it 17:36 has become a basis for many people. How 17:40 does Dr. Ben see it? I am proportional, 17:44 sir, an Islamic, that in this conflict 17:46 there are definitely fanatics, sir, 17:47 Shia fanatics and Wahhabi fanatics, sir 17:49 . So they each use arguments to 17:54 strengthen a decision made by Hi and 17:56 Saudi Arabia. So, even though people 17:59 accuse me of this, I pay attention. 18:01 Actually, I don't, I analyze it 18:03 proportionally. I said I'm proportional 18:04 , it's not a question of pro or not pro 18:06 . This is not a matter of sect, this is 18:08 a political issue, and politics can 18:10 develop anywhere. Because like this, 18:12 sir, I studied history and I read, I 18:14 heard everything, sir. One conclusion, 18:16 sir, it's called a dynasty, the name of 18:18 the kingdom, sir, that is most worried 18:20 about it falling. 18:22 Or they are most worried about there 18:23 being someone who is considered a 18:25 threat, sir Ian, so sir, if this is 18:26 comfortable, sir Ian, this is a threat 18:28 to the Saud in Arabia according to the 18:29 Saud people 18:32 because they used to be one, between 18:34 Hijaz and Yemen, which is one, they are 18:36 the people of Hijaz, are Yemeni, sir, 18:38 they are all Yemeni people. 18:41 So, I see, sir, there is a fear of the 18:44 Saud Dynasty if this is united. So, 18:47 they always try to divide each other so 18:50 that they don't unite, so the north and 18:52 south continue to do so so that they 18:54 are not unstable, so that the national 18:56 security of Saudi ee is more guaranteed 18:59 , sir Ihsan. I see it like that, sir. 19:02 So, there are parties-sir Ben, what 19:05 kind of government system is there in 19:07 Haiti, bro? Is there a kingdom or 19:11 democracy or is it like that in Iran? 19:14 There is a wadatul fqih, how do you see 19:17 him? He's exactly like, like actually 19:19 almost exactly like, like Isbullah. He 19:22 has the leadership, there is the 19:24 highest, there is what, there is an 19:26 executive, there is someone at the top 19:28 level. Feed, but those in power are 19:31 like, like Iran is almost the same, sir 19:33 . So Mali Alhai is the one who rules 19:35 Mali Alhai, Paksan. 19:37 So, 19:39 sir, this is the Imami side that makes 19:42 them stronger. 19:43 Their Imami is stronger even though 19:45 they are Zaidiyah. Zaidiyah is actually 19:48 closer to Sunni if we read history, sir 19:50 . But because of what is called Pak 19:53 Istan politics and they have political 19:55 targets, for example, in their eyes, 19:58 Israel is their enemy because they are 20:00 together with Hezbollah and Iran. Hey. 20:04 So, Saudi Arabia, according to them, is 20:07 a bit of a mess compared to Israel, 20:09 which is a bit of a mess. This creates 20:13 a political problem between America and 20:16 Saudi Arabia. Especially after the fall 20:19 of the pious expert, Mr. Isan. Saleh is 20:21 a pious expert, right? Then 20:24 Heeh. So, now everything is controlled 20:28 by the hoti, what are their aspects, 20:31 sir? And how could America refuse Saudi 20:37 aid? What kind of power is it? Is it 20:41 true that its capabilities have 20:43 declined so much? Is this Trump or what 20:45 ? We see this, years ago, when during 20:51 the Red Sea blockade, 20:55 there were several American fighters 20:56 who fell and were bombed here and there 20:58 , assisted by Germany, but the heart 21:00 was still active. 21:02 So America calculated that if he helped 21:04 Saudi, it would be a big risk for his 21:07 country. So there was a meeting in 21:09 Mustad Mustad between America and him, 21:12 and he 21:13 was given access to America as long as 21:15 he didn't get involved. 21:19 Now, Saud is helping England, Mr. Isan, 21:21 because it's natural that the history 21:23 that gave birth to the Saud dynasty was 21:25 England, including England that gave 21:27 birth to him, right? So he went back to 21:31 the original midwife to him for help. 21:35 But what help did he get at most? H, 21:38 air strikes, land attacks, it's 21:40 impossible for them to do 21:43 with Yemen with its mountains, Islam, 21:45 the Yama people, on average, all of 21:47 them have weapons, especially with this 21:49 sophisticated luck, Sir, 21:52 wake up, yes, that's right, it has 21:54 become a culture and this is like 21:56 entertainment, yes, besides, added to 21:59 this ideology, it becomes a story that 22:01 is beh ah, yes, this is how it is while 22:04 the world is not doing well Aha. 22:07 Extraordinary, Doc. 5 minutes before 30 22:10 minutes of our conversation, Doc. What 22:12 do you want to convey, both 22:15 domestically and internationally, after 22:19 100 years of the United Nations rolling 22:23 , many say this institution needs to be 22:27 evaluated, but it seems not easy. Ahah. 22:31 Is it being researched or is there 22:33 another institution or is it indeed in 22:35 the process of changing this world. How 22:37 do you see it, Doctor? Yes, it is true 22:42 that changing again, uh, changing, uh, 22:45 the UN is an old story, an old pan. It 22:49 means it is a product of the second 22:50 world, meaning it is no longer suitable 22:52 . There are those who say that ordinary 22:54 countries will increase, some say that 22:56 Brazil will be added, there is India, 22:58 there is Japan, and so on. But the name 23:01 of the feature holder, especially 23:03 America, yes, does not want it, Sir, I 23:05 do not want it to be there, there are 23:07 other parties who try to provide a role 23:09 or contribution in the UN BB P..Well, 23:10 then why did Soekarno make Kanevo P 23:12 disappointed, he was disappointed with 23:14 the UN, he made Kanevo, he left the UN, 23:16 right, 23:19 Indonesia once left the UN, yes, yes, 23:21 it is extraordinary while the world, 23:23 well, this is the last Doc, this advice 23:26 , I read somewhere about El Nino. 23:29 Thousands of people will die in the 23:31 next 6 months. This heat is indeed 23:34 extraordinary. Yesterday there was rain 23:38 in several places in Jabot Tabek, but 23:40 the data said it was artificial rain, 23:42 but thousands of people will die and 23:44 Indonesia is ranked second from ee El 23:47 Nino deaths from international 23:48 institutions. That's what doctor ee 23:53 reminds as a doctor this time, a real 23:56 doctor, yes, regarding the natural 23:59 conditions and facing the disaster that 24:02 will be before our eyes? Okay, what 24:05 else is there, it's not finished yet, 24:07 right? From the sinking of a ship to 24:09 the eruption of a volcano, until 24:11 another Krakatau eruption. Please, Dr. 24:13 Sarbini Abdul Murad. 24:15 Yes, sir. Indeed, if we have a sign 24:17 from the Qur'an, sir, the damage to the 24:19 earth, blood, and all kinds of things 24:21 is our fault. So, elminto is also part 24:24 of 24:25 what humans do wrong. 24:28 So, for example, forests. Wow, many 24:31 things are done. He. 24:34 So, what is the climate, what is it 24:36 called? The International Climate 24:38 Commission forgot what it means? It 24:41 means that all countries contribute to 24:43 this damage, right? What does that mean 24:45 , greenhouses, not to mention factories 24:47 and all kinds of things, what does it 24:48 mean? It is humans who have a big role 24:51 in destroying the ozone layer and all 24:52 kinds of things that cause risks. So 24:56 what happened today, sir, it is not 24:57 nature that caused the damage, it is us 25:00 who brought the damage, and this is an 25:02 implication of our mistakes in causing 25:04 that damage, sir. Well, because of that 25:07 , I think the government, sir, must be 25:09 consistent, must set an example, which 25:11 forests are productive forests, which 25:13 are industrial forests. Just imagine, 25:16 like in Kalimantan, fires have a big 25:18 impact, they also affect the climate, 25:22 not to mention, for example, 25:24 in rivers, there are many things, sir. 25:26 So, in my opinion, sir, we must pray a 25:28 lot. There is 25:30 no other way, we must pray then, that 25:32 God can, at least protect our country. 25:36 Because the earth, in other words, the 25:38 earth is no longer immune, the earth's 25:40 immunity is no longer immune to things 25:42 that can damage nature, for example, 25:44 destroying other creatures there. So I 25:46 think, eh, each of us must, must carry 25:48 out our functions and duties to the 25:50 maximum. So the Minister of Forestry 25:52 must really carry out his duties well, 25:54 don't regret it, sir, only after 25:55 retirement do you talk about kar-kar, 25:57 sir. So, we are going to retire, so 26:01 sometimes I say, well, that's it. 26:05 That's what I think, Mr. Is. So, we 26:06 must carry out our duties according to 26:08 our respective positions to the maximum 26:10 , and that will be a golden record for 26:12 this nation, for our children and 26:14 grandchildren. It's wrong for our 26:16 children and grandchildren to say that 26:18 my father, my grandfather, when he was 26:20 a minister, president, or governor, did 26:22 good things like this to save Indonesia 26:24 , Mother Earth, sir. There's no story 26:27 about me going to jail, sir. Corruption 26:29 is 26:30 indeed a digital literacy issue. So 26:33 it's not thought about by many people. 26:35 Because in this era, in the past, the 26:38 shame was covered up, said Dalil. Now, 26:41 how can Google cover up its shame? Our 26:44 children and grandchildren's behavior 26:45 is constantly recorded. That's not how 26:47 it is, Doctor Ben. That's 26:48 right. So, I actually posted this, sir, 26:54 that Nus Wahidah Yusuf, one of the 26:56 vice-chairs, 26:59 must truly uphold the dignity of NU. 27:02 It's not proven or not proven, so this 27:04 case is famous, so 27:07 how can you imagine, 27:09 imagine, the largest Islamic 27:11 organization in the world, the guardian 27:13 of the nation's morals, Mr. Isa, 27:16 so he failed to maintain the morals of 27:17 his cadres, what can we expect more 27:19 from that? Yes, this is indeed 27:24 extraordinary damage at the level of 27:27 religious leaders, Masyaallah, the 27:30 times are turning like this. Lastly, 27:35 Dr. Sarbini Abdul Murad, what would you 27:37 like to say in the last 30 minutes on 27:40 this Thursday morning? Dr. Ben, please, 27:42 give your closing remarks. 27:45 I said, I said, Mr. Isan, that we 27:47 should never forget our brothers and 27:49 sisters in Palestine, Mr. Isan. And we 27:52 include our prayers for them, that they 27:54 may be strong, that Allah save them, 27:56 and that Allah destroy their enemies, 27:58 especially Israel. May we remain 28:02 steadfast in the struggle to defend 28:04 Palestine in any way, in any form, at 28:07 any price. That's what's important, sir 28:11 . For example, thank you, Dr. Sarbini 28:13 Abdul Murad. Our conversation will last 28:16 30 minutes. We will meet again next 28:19 Thursday or Sunday night. Are you open 28:22 your eyes and ears, Doc? Hmm. 28:24 Yes. Yes. Sunday night. 28:25 Yes. What's the theme, Doc? Then, open 28:27 your eyes and ears on Sunday night, it 28:28 will 28:29 still be about Palestine. About 28:31 Palestine. 28:32 Masyaallah. Thank you, Dr. Ben. See you 28:35 again in the future. Peace be upon you, 28:38 warahmatullahi wabarakatuh. Peace be 28:41 upon you and the mercy of Allah. 
