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0:07 Peace be upon you. 0:09 >> And peace be upon you. Dr. Benallah. 0:13 >> How are you? Are you healthy? 0:15 >> Praise be to God, I am healthy, Doctor. 0:17 >> Masha'Allah. 0:18 >> I was actually going to suggest that, 0:20 Doctor. Suggesting Ustaz Afta. Oh, 0:22 Ustaz Afta was on Bincang Mina 0:24 yesterday. It's done, Ustaz. Just 12 6:50 seconds here. 6:52 >> Let's go. In the name of God. In the 6:54 name of God, the Most Gracious, the 6:54 Most Merciful. Bumper in. 10 9 8 7 6 5 7:04 4 3 2 1. 7:10 >> In the name of God, the Most Gracious, 7:11 the Most Merciful. Peace be upon you 7:13 and the mercy and blessings of God. All 7:16 praise is due to God, Lord of the 7:18 worlds, and peace and blessings be upon 7:20 our master Muhammad and his family and 7:23 all his companions. O God, increase my 7:27 knowledge...broadcast from Jalan Masjid 7:30 Silaturahim Number 36, Kalimantis, 7:32 Cibubur, Bekasi, Radio. Silaturahim and 7:36 Rasil TV for a united Islam. Brothers 7:39 and sisters, may God the Almighty have 7:41 mercy on you, how are you this evening? 7:44 May you always be in good health. And 7:47 for those of you who are unwell this 7:50 evening, may God heal your illnesses 7:53 soon, and thank you for always 7:55 faithfully listening to Rasil's 7:57 broadcasts. I am very happy this 8:01 evening, I am Angga Aminudin, 8:03 accompanied by Fahri as operator, and 8:06 also Yanto as cameraman, to be able to 8:09 greet you again, brothers and sisters, 8:12 as we present the Buka Mata Buka 8:15 Telinga program for the Sunday, October 8:18 25, 2026 edition, with our guest, Dr. 8:21 Sarbini Abdul Murad, Director of 8:23 Indonesia for Peace and Humanity, who 8:27 has joined us via Zoom online. Peace be 8:31 upon you and the mercy and blessings of 8:32 God, Dr. Ben. 8:39 >> And peace be upon you, Mas Angga. 8:41 >> How are you, Doctor? You're healthy 8:43 this evening, yes? 8:46 >> Praise be to God. Praise be to God, I'm 8:48 healthy, Mas. 8:48 >> Praise be to God. Let's add this. 8:51 >> Aside from other issues, Doctor. If we 8:54 talk about Palestine, there is 8:56 something viral right now, Doctor. 9:01 Greenpeace is doing what, uh...a 9:06 demonstration at the Welcome Statue in 9:08 Jakarta, criticizing the government, 9:10 not long ago. Palestine-supporting 9:14 activists are also holding an action. 9:19 The action is to stop the export of 9:22 Indonesian palm oil to Israel. So, it's 9:26 quite viral on social media, Doctor. 9:30 Besides those issues, we also want to 9:32 focus on something more important, 9:33 Doctor. 9:35 >> October 27th is a gamble for 9:38 Netanyahu's power. Because Israel will 9:44 enter one of the most defining 9:47 political moments on October 27, 2026. 9:53 We also want to see how the genocide in 9:58 Gaza truly influences the Israeli 10:06 election. That is why this evening we 10:10 want to raise a topic, Dr. Ben, 10:12 regarding the Israeli election and its 10:15 regional impact, Doctor. We want to 10:18 discuss it tonight. What do you think, 10:21 Doctor, about the importance of us 10:22 raising this topic? Yes, indeed, Mas 10:27 Angga, we are trying to find themes 10:29 that are appropriate and have 10:31 significant implications for the 10:34 political and security constellation in 10:36 the region. Whether that is in West 10:41 Asia or regarding Palestine itself. So 10:46 I think that the world's concern today 10:49 is the Israeli election, and I think 10:51 it's a very appropriate topic for us to 10:54 discuss tonight, so that our listeners 10:57 can broaden their perspective and 10:59 participate in this discussion. Because 11:03 I think the 27th and the 3rd of 11:06 November, one week later, the election 11:10 in America has such a close correlation 11:13 . Well, for the constellation of 11:16 politics and security in the Middle 11:18 East in particular. Therefore, on this 11:22 occasion, let's try to examine, to look 11:25 closely and dissect the anatomy of 11:27 political parties in Israel. And then 11:31 we also need to know how the views of 11:34 Israeli citizens are towards their 11:36 leaders, and I think their choice of 11:39 party determines or reflects the 11:41 desires of the Israeli people. If 11:44 Israeli citizens want war, they will 11:46 choose leader A. But if they want peace 11:48 , they will choose leader B. So this 11:50 will be a reflection of the domestic 11:52 situation later on the 27th, uh 11:54 >> of this October. So we will see if the 11:57 Israeli citizens indeed choose the 12:00 right-wing coalition, whose big boss is 12:03 Netanyahu, it means 12:06 >> indirectly that Israeli citizens want 12:08 to continue the war. But if, for 12:11 example, the coalition is, uh, what if 12:14 it's, uh, Herzog's...Hello, Dr. Dr. M, 12:46 your voice is breaking up. Yes. Yes, 12:57 brothers and sisters, we are waiting 12:59 for the connection to be restored with 13:02 Dr. Ben, our resource person. There 13:05 seems to be an interruption. Tonight, 13:09 our program "Open Eyes Open Ears" is 13:11 covering the topic of the Israeli 13:13 election and its regional impact. While 13:18 we wait for Dr. Ben to reconnect 13:21 through his Zoom meeting. We see, 13:25 brothers and sisters, that in these 13:29 past few weeks many analysts, both in 13:33 the media and various figures, see how 13:37 the Israeli election is greatly 13:40 influenced by, among other things, the 13:44 ...Al-Aqsa Flood on October 7, 2023. 13:51 Because many parties also argue that 13:54 the attack is being used as campaign 13:57 material by Benjamin, as the current 14:00 Prime Minister of Israel. And there are 14:04 even analysts who say that Netanyahu 14:08 actually already knew about the October 14:13 7, 2023 event, the Al-Aqsa Flood, 14:15 beforehand. However, it was 14:18 deliberately ignored by Netanyahu 14:20 because he had a goal of providing 14:23 legitimacy for Israel to commit 14:26 genocide in Gaza, Palestine. And 14:30 conversely, the event also provided 14:33 negative feedback for Netanyahu's 14:35 leadership. Because many people see 14:39 that Israel's national security during 14:41 the Al-Aqsa Flood event was very 14:43 negligent and could be breached, as 14:45 well as being a threat from the outside 14:47 . But, as we entered the political 14:51 sphere since that attack, Netanyahu has 14:54 been using the event as his campaign 14:56 material. However, it turned out that 15:00 beyond Netanyahu's predictions, many 15:02 parties also see that Netanyahu himself 15:05 , along with the Israeli forces, 15:07 actually failed in their efforts to 15:09 prevent the Al-Aqsa Flood attack by 15:12 Palestinian fighters, especially in 15:14 Gaza. This also raises fundamental 15:17 questions regarding the effectiveness 15:19 of his administration, starting from 15:21 his intelligence readiness, military 15:23 readiness, and also political 15:24 accountability. Now, this year, that 15:28 political accountability has truly 15:31 become a very crucial matter, right. 15:35 Alright, we have reconnected with Dr. 15:37 The connection was cut off earlier. 15:40 >> Yes, it was disconnected. It was 15:41 raining quite hard earlier, to the 15:44 point that... 15:44 >> I was just explaining the situation 15:47 earlier, Doctor. Actually, besides 15:50 being an international fugitive, 15:53 Netanyahu is currently facing a 15:56 difficult political situation 15:59 domestically, as waves of protests are 16:03 constantly occurring. Many, a large 16:08 portion of the public, no longer want 16:10 Netanyahu to lead. The Al-Aqsa Flood 16:15 attack in October 2023 is always used 16:18 as Netanyahu's campaign material. Even 16:21 though the public knows that it was 16:23 Netanyahu's failure. Finally, there are 16:25 now oppositions emerging, there are 16:27 about three oppositions here being 16:29 highlighted, Doctor. Including Naftali 16:32 Bennett, who is also here as 16:34 Netanyahu's rival. Now as an opening, 16:37 Doctor. How do you see the condition of 16:41 the Israeli election, the electability 16:43 of Netanyahu, and how the world views 16:45 Netanyahu now when his own people 16:48 reject him? How, Doctor? 16:54 >> Yes, so the right-wing coalition's 16:57 tagline is what? "Right wing or 17:00 Palestine." 17:01 >> Meaning, choose the right-wing 17:03 coalition or choose Palestine. So, 17:06 indeed, he always loudly touts what you 17:08 said earlier, which is security. So, if 17:12 not me, then your domestic security is 17:15 not guaranteed. Meaning you will be at 17:20 the mercy of Palestine, or Iran will 17:22 wipe you out. So we, the right-wing 17:25 coalition, are the only ones who can 17:27 save Israel. That is roughly the 17:29 tagline being sold to the Israeli 17:31 public. Okay. If in the past they were 17:34 still naive, perhaps still naive, still 17:37 accepting all of Benjamin's empty 17:38 promises. But the reality of October 17:42 7th showed them that what he had been 17:44 touting as national security was 17:45 actually breached. So, actually, what 17:49 he promised were not substantive 17:51 promises, but empty ones. And that is 17:54 read by the public. That is why in the 17:58 opposition coalition, they have their 18:01 tagline, which is "Repair and Hope." So 18:06 they are trying to repair what Benjamin 18:08 has destroyed, and they will provide 18:10 new hope for achieving welfare and 18:12 prosperity for Israel. So, based on 18:16 surveys. The Israeli public has become 18:20 what? They are becoming less interested 18:23 in the security slogans delivered by 18:25 Benjamin Netanyahu. So what does that 18:28 mean? It means all this time they have 18:30 been blindly swallowing whatever 18:31 Benjamin says, but the reality is not 18:33 like that. We can imagine, Mas Angga, 18:36 when there was that conflict or war 18:38 with Iran, about 500,000 Israeli 18:40 citizens left Israel. They headed back 18:42 to their countries of origin. 18:43 >> Huh. 18:44 >> Because Israel, on average, they are a 18:45 nation of immigrants, right? They are a 18:46 nation of immigrants. It means they 18:49 came to Israel seeking prosperity, 18:51 welfare, wealth, you know. But when 18:54 they see Iranian missiles flying around 18:56 , they think, why should I be here? 18:58 I'll just go back to my home country. 19:00 So, this is what Benjamin cannot 19:04 provide. But why is Benjamin so 19:07 insistent, so adamant on selling these 19:09 false promises? Selling promises that 19:13 people already know are ineffective, 19:15 because there are only two choices: you 19:18 get arrested, or you remain prime 19:21 minister. Heh. 19:23 >> So, if he doesn't promise something 19:25 that the public finds appealing today, 19:27 he's in trouble, right? The prison cell 19:31 is already waiting. 19:33 >> So, this is why, Mas Angga, I see that 19:34 ... 19:35 >> If he's not an official, he has no 19:36 authority, right, Doc? 19:39 >> None at all. So there are reasons, both 19:42 domestic and foreign, to drag him to 19:44 prison. Now, the opposition groups, 19:48 they are selling the failure of 19:50 Benjamin, they are using this. And 19:54 their surveys are going up, right? 19:56 >> Their parties are rising. For example, 19:59 the party of this Gadi figure, the one 20:03 you mentioned earlier... 20:06 >> Gadi, Gadi Eisenkot. 20:08 >> What about Naftali? 20:10 >> They gained 23 seats, while his ( 20:12 Benjamin's) party dropped from 19 seats 20:14 . There are coalition parties, Mas 20:17 Angga, but what is interesting, like 20:19 the alignment, is the Arab party, the 20:21 Muslim party; that is also interesting. 20:25 They once formed a coalition with the 20:27 leftist parties, so to speak. They 20:30 opposed Benjamin and they actually won, 20:33 they had won. So it is estimated that 20:36 they could get around 13 seats there. 20:39 Therefore, the Arab parties stated that 20:42 they would not want to form a coalition 20:44 with Benjamin's party. We will fight. 20:47 So they are trying to form a coalition 20:49 later with the parties that are in the 20:52 opposition, rather than the right-wing 20:55 coalition. This is the most interesting 20:58 part, Mas Angga, because next week 21:00 there are midterm elections in America, 21:02 which is also very decisive. 21:05 >> Yes. 21:06 >> Especially with the rumors that in the 21:08 coming weeks America will attack Iran, 21:10 attack Iran, right. So, I think the 21:13 world is really waiting for the 21:14 election results in Israel and also the 21:17 election results in America. Something 21:19 like that, Mas. 21:20 >> Now, Doc, let's briefly look at the 21:24 questions from the...the election 21:27 contestants in Israel. Beyond Benjamin 21:32 Netanyahu, even though the public is 21:34 currently demonstrating, the other five 21:38 candidates are still Israelis as well, 21:41 aren't they? However, let's look at 21:45 their political party backgrounds. 21:48 Netanyahu is the leader of the Likud 21:50 party. The public views it as a 21:54 hardline party. Its ideological 21:58 foundation is what's called Revisionist 22:01 Zionism. And his closest, most intimate 22:05 partner is Ben-Gvir. Ben-Gvir is the 22:08 hardline far-right wing. So, how do we 22:14 view parties in Israel whose ideologies 22:17 are categorized as Revisionist Zionism? 22:22 There is also the ideology behind the 22:26 Yesh Atid party. This is actually the 22:30 ideological opposition to the Zionist 22:32 ideology, even though they are both in 22:35 Israel. So, Zionism really maps out the 22:39 important ideologies of the parties in 22:42 Israel, right, Doc? What is the deal 22:44 with this Zionist ideology, Doc? 22:46 >> Well, actually, it’s like this, Mas. 22:48 It’s actually a bit vague, really. 22:50 It’s quite vague for us to determine 22:53 which one is the most radical, which is 22:56 semi-radical, or which one can make 22:58 peace. I think even though there is a 23:01 centrist coalition or a left-wing party 23:03 coalition, in reality, when dealing 23:05 with Palestine, they are just as crazy 23:07 as the right-wing coalition. 23:09 >> Just as crazy, yes. 23:11 >> For example, Mas, take the Kadima party 23:14 that used to exist. It was a splinter 23:17 from the Likud party. The Likud, which 23:19 was led by Ariel Sharon. Ariel Sharon 23:21 was the most insane butcher, right? 23:24 >> Now, if you look at his party's 23:26 platform, it was a centrist party— 23:28 very centrist, positive, and 23:29 progressive regarding the two-state 23:31 solution. That was it, but the reality 23:36 we encountered was contrary to the 23:37 party platform, you know. So I think we 23:40 shouldn’t 23:42 >> be hypnotized by those party platforms. 23:45 Because even though they end up having 23:47 similarities, the most important thing 23:49 is, do you see the correlation between 23:51 this right-wing coalition and the 23:53 Republican Party in America? So, if in 23:57 America, for instance, the Democratic 23:58 Party wins, and here we have a 24:00 right-wing coalition, well, the story 24:01 doesn't connect. But if here we have a 24:05 right-wing coalition and there we have 24:08 the Democrats—both are Zionists, one 24:10 Jewish Zionist and one Christian 24:12 Zionist—this will cause serious 24:14 international instability, right? So, I 24:19 , I don't think so, that today we hope, 24:21 we hope for the citizens of Israel to 24:24 be able to rethink, to rethink, and to 24:27 the Palestinians who are in Israel not 24:32 to abstain from voting. They must also 24:35 determine the, uh, future of Palestine, 24:37 not just their own future, but the 24:38 future of Palestine. Now, this is 24:42 something very interesting, Angga, 24:44 which is why I think if Benjamin 24:47 Netanyahu plays this card after Trump. 24:50 I mean, haven't we seen that after all 24:53 the turmoil and Benjamin's declining 24:56 poll numbers, including Trump saying "I 24:59 support my friend Benjamin as prime 25:02 minister," it's for Israelis to vote 25:05 for Benjamin and Benjamin's party to 25:08 win this election, right? So I see that 25:12 even though, yes, before, Mas Angga 25:14 said, "Wow, Benjamin and Trump have 25:16 been fighting," I’ve often said in 25:19 interviews that it was just a joke, 25:21 they’re not really like that. Because 25:25 Benjamin, uh, Trump is really hoping 25:27 for... 25:28 >> Yes, he is really hoping for Benjamin's 25:30 victory, Mas Angga. So, that's why I 25:33 re-read how the polls were after this 25:36 statement, it didn't really affect 25:39 Benjamin, it had no effect. That's why 25:43 Benjamin, if he isn't elected, he’ll 25:46 say get ready, America won't send this, 25:48 America will cut that. He scares the 25:52 citizens of Israel with the 25:53 consequences if he is not elected as 25:55 prime minister. 25:59 >> Alright. We also, uh, see this, Doc, if 26:05 we relate it to how Zionism has indeed 26:09 become the foundation for all the 26:13 parties in Israel. Then how, Doc, when 26:19 it is linked to the, uh, change or the 26:23 incumbent who remains in facing, 26:27 specifically, Hamas. In facing Hamas, 26:32 and also in facing Iran, or facing the 26:36 armed groups that are in the Israeli 26:39 region itself, Doc. Among these 26:43 candidates, who is the most supported 26:45 by the military, is it Netanyahu, or 26:48 actually other candidates? Especially 26:51 since there are other candidates, right 26:53 , former high-ranking Israeli military 26:55 officials, who are even becoming the 26:57 opposition in Israel. How is this 27:00 Israeli military support for these 27:02 candidates, what is it like? Will they 27:07 lean toward the incumbent or to the 27:09 opposition, seeing what they are facing 27:12 : Hamas, Iran, or other armed groups? 27:15 Doc. 27:17 >> Uh, Angga, it's quite unique, Angga, if 27:19 you look at their military, it's quite 27:20 unique. 27:21 >> Their military has two groups. One, 27:24 there is the professional military. The 27:27 second, there is the reserve military. 27:30 These are people who are trained as 27:31 reserves who perhaps after 2 years 27:33 return to their origins. And they don't 27:37 care about who is elected; the 27:38 important thing is that they follow the 27:40 rules according to their constitution 27:42 to be reserve forces. 27:44 >> Now, but you must know that the Israeli 27:47 army is different from our army. Our 27:51 army, in history, even though we didn't 27:54 have a coup like Thailand, the 27:56 military's role is stronger... 27:59 >> in our domestic politics, yes. But it's 28:02 different from the Israeli army. They 28:05 are a mirror of states, like America, 28:08 right. They don't get involved in those 28:10 political affairs, political matters, 28:11 political things. They still, uh, how 28:14 should I say, see themselves as 28:16 standing in a position in accordance 28:18 with the constitution, defending the 28:20 state but not interfering. It’s not 28:24 the same as in countries like Egypt, 28:26 for example, or wherever, countries 28:28 where the military has a major role in 28:30 determining the political direction of 28:32 their nation or state. Now, and 28:35 secondly, we see why Benjamin, when he 28:37 deals with the military, he's quite 28:39 firm with them. 28:40 >> Yes. 28:41 >> All Israeli prime ministers aren't 28:42 afraid of the military. If it were us, 28:44 our president would have to think twice 28:45 if a civilian had to face the military, 28:47 right. But a prime minister doesn't. 28:49 Why? Because they were all once drafted 28:51 into the military. For example, like 28:53 Benjamin. Benjamin is also a former 28:55 member of Israel's special forces, 28:57 Sayeret Matkal. Well, he's a former 28:59 commander. So, all Israeli prime 29:01 ministers are former military 29:03 commanders. So, facing the military is 29:06 normal for them; mentally, they are 29:08 more prepared to face the military than 29:10 Indonesian civilians are. In Indonesia, 29:12 we aren't trained for that. So, when we 29:15 face the military, we feel a bit 29:16 inferior. Like that. So, I believe that 29:20 >> the Israeli military does not interfere 29:23 in this political context. No meddling 29:26 there. Or how things really are under 29:29 the surface, for that matter. Ah, there 29:34 was also an analyst from Al Jazeera, 29:37 Doc, that I read. Summarizing several 29:42 campaign meetings in Israel since 29:44 October 5th. Meaning if we're now at 29:47 the 20th, it's been almost 20 days 29:50 since then, and what's worrying is the 29:53 parties participating in this election, 29:57 Doc. Including the parties currently in 30:00 power that support Netanyahu, there are 30:03 voices that actually support campaigns 30:06 to expel Palestinians from Gaza. Now, 30:10 this is the most worrying part, that 30:13 the threat of expulsion, of expelling 30:15 Gaza residents, is actually gaining 30:17 more support. What do you think about 30:20 this, Doc? Is the issue of Gaza, the 30:22 issue of Palestine, something that the 30:24 Israeli public is very united on in 30:25 terms of finishing off the Palestinians 30:27 , Doc? 30:29 >> Yes, that’s right, Angga. So we have 30:32 to distinguish between two things. Hm. 30:35 >> The first is that when they face [the 30:36 consequences of] their own actions... 30:40 they don't want to. 30:41 >> Hm. 30:42 >> Yes, because they will face real 30:44 consequences. But if you ask them about 30:48 expelling the people of Gaza, 70%agree, 30:51 Angga. 30:51 >> Hm. 30:52 >> 70%of Israeli citizens agree with 30:55 expelling the people of Gaza and the 30:57 people of the West Bank. So, as you 31:00 said, Angga, it's not something strange 31:02 . I think whoever wins, whichever 31:04 coalition wins, those are the elements 31:06 that will be the deciding factors later 31:09 on. Because certainly, for domestic 31:11 consumption, it's already clear that 31:13 their campaign is that 31:15 >> they must be expelled, it must be 31:16 legalized, Palestinian prisoners must 31:19 be killed, right? So, like the case 31:23 yesterday, there were two Palestinians 31:25 who shot, killing two Israeli soldiers 31:28 and wounding four. What happened? They 31:33 carried out collective punishment, 31:35 nearly 150 of their extended family 31:37 members were all expelled from their 31:38 homes, all their property was seized, 31:40 that is collective punishment. 31:43 >> So, I think that is, this is not just 31:45 something...perhaps it has become the 31:47 character of the Israeli people. 31:50 >> 70 to 80%, and the 20%who don't agree 31:52 are maybe Arabs or Palestinian Israelis 31:54 , maybe the Palestinian Arabs who are 31:56 in Israel, they don't agree with being 31:58 treated like that. So we could, we 32:02 could say that 100%of native Israeli 32:04 citizens, native, are those who 32:06 >> who agree to expel the people of Gaza. 32:11 So it's no wonder, isn't it, when we 32:13 see many people taking tours by boat 32:15 while Gaza is being destroyed, those 32:17 who join the tours are elderly. They 32:21 see the destruction, they foster hope 32:23 that later they will get houses there. 32:26 It's as if they are watching, like 32:30 watching a football match, how the IDF 32:34 bombs are pounding Gaza. They watch, 32:38 what does that mean? It means there is 32:39 satisfaction, there is some kind of, 32:42 their ejaculation. Their satisfaction 32:44 is in the destruction. So, I am not 32:46 surprised. 32:47 >> Not surprised and not expecting any 32:50 major improvements, even though they 32:53 say the right-wing coalition has a 32:55 tagline, which is "repair and hope." 33:00 But we still do not believe that they 33:02 will live up to that slogan. Yes. 33:05 That's why the rhetoric of these 33:07 Israeli politicians is the rhetoric of 33:09 violence. Their rhetoric of violence 33:11 against Palestinians is also something 33:14 that is highly criticized by global 33:16 human rights groups, especially in 33:18 Europe. It's still like that, Israeli 33:22 politics with its racism and so on. And 33:27 what makes many observers even more 33:30 annoyed is that the West is also 33:32 following suit in this matter. 33:40 >> Yes. We saw a few weeks ago there was a 33:44 delegation from the European parliament 33:46 and executive members, right? 33:49 >> Plus America. As for the American, 33:52 Brother, he came to the West Bank to 33:55 see the, what is it? The olive harvest. 33:58 >> Hmm. What happened was harassment, and 34:01 they are still being detained to this 34:04 day. There was a French mayor who was 34:06 beaten by Israeli citizens, they came 34:09 to a village, the village of Taibeh. 34:12 Taibeh is a village mostly inhabited by 34:14 Christians and is a village once 34:16 visited by Jesus, according to them, or 34:17 so they say. So right now, this village 34:21 is experiencing a very horrific 34:22 situation. So, yesterday when they were 34:26 , uh, what, harvesting olives, those 34:28 olives, people came from Europe, 34:30 America, it didn't matter, it didn't 34:32 matter to the Israelis because they 34:35 know that 34:37 >> uh, their strength lies with America. 34:39 So even Europe, although they were, you 34:41 know, treated like that as citizens, 34:44 they weren't really that enraged or 34:46 angry, right, Mas Angga? Now, it is 34:50 this lack of firmness from the world 34:52 that makes these Israeli settlers bold 34:54 enough to take actions not just against 34:56 Palestinian settlers, but also against 34:58 those who actually support Palestine. 35:01 Like just yesterday, there was a dual 35:03 American citizen who died—wasn't he 35:05 killed in the West Bank? And now it's 35:08 being investigated, but the perpetrator 35:10 has vanished, right? So, this is what 35:13 is happening, that, uh, today there is 35:16 indeed a series of reactions that 35:19 reflect a political message, and that 35:22 has to be, has to be continuously 35:24 repeated by Benjamin. Now, if Benjamin 35:28 were to be tough on these groups, he 35:31 wouldn't be elected, because his 35:33 community or his supporters, his 35:35 constituents, are all hardliners. All 35:39 of them are, what do you call it, 35:41 short-fused. 35:43 >> So, this is what results in them being 35:45 more unconstrained, more free, with no 35:48 punishment, because the top leadership 35:50 is actually part of their constituents. 35:54 Meaning the people they chose, right. 35:57 >> Hmm. Brothers and sisters who are 35:59 blessed by Allah Subhanahu wa ta'ala. 36:01 You are currently listening to the live 36:03 broadcast of "Open Your Eyes, Open Your 36:05 Ears" with Dr. Sarbini Abdul Murad, on 36:07 the Israeli elections and their 36:09 regional impact. That is our topic and 36:12 we invite you to join us. Please send 36:14 your questions or comments to the Rasil 36:17 WhatsApp number at 0811999 720. Okay, 36:25 Doc. Let's continue our discussion, 36:28 because I have been, uh, uh, googling, 36:31 you know, opinions or, uh, analyses not 36:35 just from national media but also 36:37 international media. Even Al Jazeera 36:41 had a, uh, report that highlighted how 
