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2:08 Joining the right-wing party, we don't 2:10 know, so if the parliamentary system is 2:12 even if it's more than 61 or more than 2:19 61, he, he, he will win, right? This is 2:22 the problem, if for example the BI 2:25 coalition wins again, 2:28 >> they will definitely be hard-line 2:30 groups, right? In Bengkoir, 2:33 >> I, BFI, is a straight group, ee, what 2:35 is the far-right coalition group, is it 2:37 already so hard-line? This person is 2:39 >> extreme, 2:42 >> very extreme, 2:44 >> yes, Doc, in the last few months, 2:47 Israeli officials have been very vocal 2:50 about their expansionist vision, right? 2:55 How, Doc, with Israel's expansion, the 3:00 two-state solution is fading. Moreover, 3:04 now, ee, these Israeli officials are 3:06 open with the Greater Israel program 3:09 and then also claim that. This means 3:12 that in the future, Zionists are 3:15 Zionists, Jews are Jews. Israel is 3:18 Israel, right? D, yes. Indeed, the 3:23 theme of the two-state solution is 3:26 indeed a theme that is indeed trying, 3:28 meaning, yes, it is a theme that is 3:31 quite difficult to implement because 3:33 both sides oppose it. But for Israel, 3:37 this theme is important for them to 3:40 develop 3:43 >> because they are for the recognition of 3:45 Islamic countries and countries that 3:47 were initially silent in Palestine to 3:49 support recognizing Israel. Why? 3:52 Because they, indeed, the two-state 3:54 solution means what is said and the 3:56 reality can be very different. For 3:58 example, today, the Pacific, yes, the 4:01 Pacific has supported Israel, right? So 4:05 , eh, 4:06 >> Papua New Guinea is supported by Papua, 4:09 right? So, indeed, they have a history. 4:14 So, today, the two-state solution is a 4:17 topic that is presented and is sold and 4:20 championed by America under the 4:22 umbrella of Abraham Cot, yes, but the 4:25 reality is not like that. Evidence from 4:29 the beginning of the Kadima party, a 4:31 progressive centrist party that eh, 4:33 what a two-state solipsism when they 4:35 came to power, Sarah was cruel, then 4:37 died, the waters of Sharon rose to the 4:40 west, the same thing was done. So, in 4:44 fact, the two-state solution is, uh, 4:46 one of the topics or themes being sold 4:49 to the public, to the world public, so 4:51 that it seems as if Israel also has the 4:53 desire to, uh, make East Jerusalem the 4:56 capital of Palestine and they live side 4:58 by side, even though their citizens and 5:01 their elites have no idea about that. 5:05 Hmm. Uh, then how do you see the 5:09 relationship between this Israeli 5:12 election and America, especially 5:15 officials or businessmen in America who 5:18 are their backers or donors, donors to 5:21 Israel? Uh, is Netanyahu facing serious 5:25 pressure, huh? And also the resilience 5:28 of his right-wing coalition in Israel 5:30 or the opposition that is offering, uh, 5:33 new promises to counter Netanyahu? What 5:36 is America's position, Doc? 5:41 >> Yes, I see there has been a shift, a 5:43 shift in the public. I've been 5:48 following campaigns in America, and 5:50 these days, the people who joined Apek 5:54 to win, the candidates who are Jewish 5:57 or pro-Jewish, are now becoming 5:59 unimportant. Sangga. So 6:02 >> yes, 6:03 >> Max Roger asked IP not to openly 6:06 support me because by openly supporting 6:09 me, this is the person for me. So now 6:12 it has appeared like that and this is 6:14 surprising, his intentions are already 6:16 bad, yes, his intentions are bad, it's 6:17 really 6:19 >> bad. Well, 6:21 >> that's why we can't let go of October 7 6:24 , ee October 2023, Angal, that what 6:26 Benyamin did really destroyed the image 6:29 of the American people towards Israel 6:32 today. If before they were apathetic, 6:35 well, they only owned 20%, no, it's 6:37 none of their business. But after they 6:41 saw it, ee, what is called their 6:47 nationalistic sympathy emerged. That's 6:52 why if we see some things like 6:53 YouTubers talking to members of 6:55 congress, "Hey, you are America first 6:58 or they already know them, why are they 7:11 people more open their eyes." One of 7:13 them is Mamdani's victory, Mamdani's 7:15 victory and all the candidates from New 7:17 York who were endorsed by Mandani all 7:19 won today. And especially now, if S 7:22 wins, the only senator will have more 7:24 power than members of the House of 7:25 Representatives. Well, this is what I 7:30 think is that these shifts are 7:33 inseparable from what ee did to Borga 7:36 Gaza. Then not only that, how he 7:40 expanded into Iran which caused what 7:42 economic shocks in the United States. 7:47 Because ee today how goods rose then in 7:50 France also a problem added with trum 7:53 ee what is so deviant mass. So really, 7:57 I think the American public already has 8:00 a negative stigma towards Israel. 23%of 8:03 Gen Z is negative to 8:06 >> yes 8:06 >> eh what eh the positive the rest are 8:09 negative is 8:10 >> yes yes yes yes. Well, especially this, 8:13 Doc, yes. For Benjamin Netanyahu who on 8:16 social media is called the most hated 8:19 People in the world, right, in the last 8:22 few years in one of his speeches he 8:24 mentioned Indonesia, Doc. It seems he 8:27 is monitoring it too because the 8:29 Indonesian people seem to label him. 8:31 What labels him? Colonial, invader, 8:33 murderer, right? Finally, he compared, 8:36 "Oh, this is different, we're not like 8:37 the Dutch, they say, who colonized 8:39 Indonesia." Comments like that, right? 8:42 Well, specifically, I asked this, eh, 8:44 if we look at politicians, what kind of 8:46 politician is he? If we look at eh, 8:50 what, eh, political actors or Zionist 8:52 actors? What kind of Zionist actor is 8:54 this? Actually, it's like asking. He is 8:58 a Zionist figure, isn't he, he's not 8:59 originally from Israel, right? He knew 9:03 Holland, Rolandia, then immigrated to 9:06 America, his name wasn't Minyam 9:09 Minanyahia, but to consecrate himself 9:12 as if he were a pure Jew, he is 9:15 Benjamin, a Biblical name according to 9:18 him. So we see that the people who 9:22 become elite leaders in Israel are not 9:25 originally from Israel. They are from 9:28 Eastern Europe. On average, they are 9:30 from America. So they are those who are 9:32 in touch with Zionist ideas. So I see 9:35 that eh, Benyamin is a genuine Zionist 9:38 figure, eh, a true figure that we can 9:42 see. They have their own roots, their 9:43 own support. So it's natural that they 9:47 try to do something, like establish 9:50 diplomatic relations here and there, do 9:53 something to help political movements. 9:57 Like in Sudan they intervened, then in 9:59 Somalia they intervened, in Yemen they 10:01 intervened; all for their own resources 10:03 , their own financial resources. So 10:06 it's a long discussion, maybe we'll 10:08 invite Ustaz Amri Fahmi. Okay, 10:13 >> Doc, for the next edition, Doc. Uh, 10:16 I'll go to Mrs. Ani, who's also 10:19 listening to the broadcast on ee 10:23 tonight. So, Mr. Amsir Tabrani in North 10:27 Kemang. Peace be upon you. Sir, Dr., 10:33 may I ask? Is the UN's role still 10:37 important for its member countries? As 10:42 for Israel, all the resolutions have no 10:46 impact at all. The UN should be 10:50 replaced or disbanded because it has no 10:54 role. I hope that Netanyahu will be 10:58 destroyed soon, if not destroyed. What 11:01 do you think, doctor? Yes, that's right 11:06 . I agree, that's why Bung Karno left 11:08 the UN, sometimes he gave information, 11:10 right? 11:11 >> Yes. So, we know that B can't do 11:13 anything about what's happening today 11:15 in Gaza, right? 11:17 >> America is nothing, and that's true, 11:19 but if, for example, Indonesia has to 11:22 be in the UN in today's world political 11:24 context, it's not quite right. So, it's 11:27 not the era. If perhaps the Soviet 11:30 Union still existed, America, like in 11:32 the old days of high war, I think it's 11:33 still relevant, like Bungo leaving, 11:35 Indonesia leaving, so what kind of 11:36 information is it for? Uh, the DPR 11:40 today is for all sorts of things, yes, 11:41 it has to be relevant to the conditions 11:43 of those days, right, but today it's 11:45 not, no, it's no longer relevant. 11:47 Moreover, now there are only five HP 11:49 countries, I mean. So, these five HPU 11:51 countries, I determine the direction of 11:52 world politics, right? What's going on 11:55 now? India has advanced, then there is 11:58 Brazil, then Indonesia, this is not 12:00 considered, all of them are not 12:02 considered because the five rights 12:04 countries will still maintain HP, they 12:06 don't want him to share them, they want 12:08 him to share them, even though we shout 12:10 about BBB reform, no, no, no, there are 12:12 none. Okay, next doctor, this is Mrs. 12:18 Mariati in Sukabumi. Peace be upon you, 12:21 warahmatullahi wabarakatuh. Listening 12:22 to the broadcast this evening. 12:25 Permission to comment from Dr. Ben 12:28 regarding Indonesia being the main 12:30 supplier of palm oil to Israel. I read 12:34 in the news 12:35 >> that up to 88%of Israel imports from 12:39 Indonesia. What do you think, Doctor? 12:42 Okay. 12:44 >> Yes, this is indeed something we really 12:46 regret, yes, earlier, 12:49 >> how many groups, the largest, eh, 12:52 importers from Indonesia, and we regret 12:54 it. So when we talk about Palestine, 12:59 both Israeli products, then we condemn 13:02 eh, eh, Israeli crimes, eh, there are 13:05 traders who turn a blind eye, close 13:07 their conscience, still trade with 13:10 Israel. So I think the government, in 13:14 terms of catching it, must be firm, 13:16 must be firm in finding out which 13:18 companies are these and must take 13:20 action. Yes, that means it shouldn't be 13:23 like that. It means Indonesia must be 13:25 consistent in its foreign policy. Well, 13:28 when the constitution states that 13:29 colonialism in the world must be 13:31 abolished, then the consequence is that 13:34 if there are people or parties who try 13:36 to open communication, whether 13:38 political or trade, with a colonial 13:40 country, they must be prosecuted, Mas 13:42 Pangga. Yes, I was surprised, I was 13:45 shocked. I thought it wasn't just palm 13:48 oil, there were many other exports. 13:51 >> Yes, Doc. Yes, 13:53 >> there are many exports, and there are 13:56 >> also many imports from us. So, there is 13:59 indeed ambiguity. What happens is 14:02 >> the public's desire, our desire, with 14:05 >> these traders. 14:07 >> Hm. There are many, Doc. Now there is 14:09 ambiguity, right? Even artists, 14:12 athletes, singers. When it comes to 14:16 connections with Israel, there is a lot 14:18 of manipulation and other things. Okay, 14:21 Doctor. I think that was the last 14:24 question we can answer from Ms. Mariati 14:25 in Sukabumi. Uh, as a closing, Doc. Our 14:31 topic tonight is how doctors see the 14:34 Israeli election not only influencing 14:37 or being influenced by the genocide in 14:41 Gaza, but also by the wars in the 14:44 surrounding region. And even now, the 14:48 Yemen conflict. How do doctors see the 14:52 major influence of this election? 14:58 >> No, I was still thinking, but one 15:00 question for me was, is it true that 15:03 all these wars involve Israel? 15:06 >> Hmm. 15:06 >> Is it true? Is it true? But after I 15:11 delved into geopolitics, I realized 15:13 there's a very relevant link between 15:15 the country's chaos and the roles 15:17 played by Jews, especially in arms 15:19 trafficking. So, why does all this 15:22 happen? Because the majority of Jews 15:25 are businessmen, whether it's arms or 15:27 intelligence agents. They have to sell, 15:30 they have to sell their products. But 15:32 if the country is peaceful, safe, and 15:34 prosperous, then that can benefit all 15:36 employees. So, this war is what can 15:39 revive, uh, what? Revitalize their 15:42 industrial chain. Well, that's why what 15:45 happened in Yemen is definitely related 15:48 to Israel, either directly or 15:50 indirectly. In Sudan, which produces 15:53 large amounts of gold, there is a 15:54 direct or indirect connection with 15:55 Israel. So, what we used to hear is it 15:59 true, how is it true, but why? Because 16:03 whether we wear glasses or not, we wear 16:05 glasses, Indonesia doesn't need to be 16:07 with countries in conflict. But if we 16:10 look at Israel's glasses, then we will 16:12 find a detailed answer. Why is Israel 16:15 involved in all of us in countries A, B 16:18 , C? Oh yes, even though we can't 16:20 determine for sure, the smoke is there, 16:22 and in the end, it will definitely not 16:24 be there. 16:24 >> Yes, 16:25 >> that's right. 16:26 >> Alright, Dr. Ben. Thank you very much 16:30 for the discussion tonight, continuing 16:32 our October edition of Open Your Eyes 16:34 and Open Your Ears. God willing, we'll 16:37 see you again next month, okay, Doc? 16:39 November, Doc. November, God willing, 16:43 we'll call it Palestine Solidarity 16:45 Month, Doc. We'll call it that now. 16:48 Masyaallah. 16:50 >> Thank you, Dr. Ben. We also extend our 16:53 gratitude to the brothers and sisters 16:55 for joining us in this eye-opening, 16:57 ear-opening event. We hope that what we 16:59 have discussed has been beneficial to 17:01 you all. We will now take our leave 17:04 from the studio. Thank you very much 17:06 for your company. We apologize for any 17:07 errors in our words. May Allah grant us 17:09 guidance and guidance. Subhanakallah, 17:11 may He be glorified and exalted be He. 17:15 Peace be upon you... 
