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0:08 Brail TV. 0:16 Hello. Peace be upon you, Bang Dula. 0:20 And peace be upon you too, Mas Angga. 0:23 How are you this morning, Bang Dula? 0:25 Are you healthy? 0:27 Alhamdulillah, I am well. Your mind is 0:29 enlightened, Bang Dula. Is your heart 0:31 at peace, or how is it? 0:33 Amen. God willing. Bang Dula, this 0:37 morning we want to bring up an 0:40 interesting discussion topic, regarding 0:44 ... 0:46 Yusril Ihza Mahendra, and also 0:49 Democratic Party legislator Benny 0:52 Harman, who commented on the proposal 0:56 regarding the death penalty for 0:59 corruptors suggested by the MUI. So, 1:04 this has emerged. Finally, comments 1:08 from political observers and also from 1:11 officials. When we look at the facts 1:14 that exist, the Anti-Corruption Law has 1:16 long regulated the threat of the death 1:19 penalty for certain conditions, 1:20 starting from national emergencies, 1:22 recidivism, economic crises, and even 1:25 the country's legal structure is 1:26 complete, right? There is the KPK, the 1:29 Attorney General's Office, the 1:30 Corruption Court, and even ad-hoc 1:32 judges. But corruption just keeps going 1:35 . Even among law enforcement officials 1:37 themselves. That is why the 1:39 conversation or the proposal from the 1:41 MUI that there must be the death 1:42 penalty for corruptors, right? Well, of 1:45 course, this creates pros and cons. 1:47 Meanwhile, from your perspective, Bang 1:49 Dula, regarding this case, this issue, 1:51 what do you think? That is the first 1:53 thing, Bang Dula. Then the second. 1:55 We are talking about. 1:58 When the Jokowi diploma court case is 2:01 still debating whether it's necessary 2:03 or not, it turns out that in one 2:06 podcast that caught the public's 2:08 attention because it quickly trended on 2:11 social media, it actually revealed the 2:14 origin or how the Solo family manages 2:17 their wealth. Because there was Badrun 2:22 and Bang Ichsanuddin Noorsy in that 2:25 podcast, who brought up how the Solo 2:28 family manages their vast wealth, 2:30 starting from paths to companies, shell 2:34 companies or legitimate companies, to 2:37 paths to officials, and also how this 2:40 network enters regional heads. Now, 2:43 especially with cases now where many 2:44 regional heads are getting caught in 2:45 sting operations (OTT). How do you see 2:48 this problem, Bang Dula, with a network 2:50 built so extensively and so strongly 2:52 that the wealth turns out to be 2:54 concentrated in this family? This is 2:57 just an analysis, but how do you see 2:59 this wealth issue, Bang Dula? We must 3:02 ensure if this wealth is, well, we must 3:05 trace whether it is the people's wealth 3:08 or truly the result of their own 3:10 businesses or how, so that terms like 3:13 the Solo dynasty, the Solo kin, and 3:15 Solo power arise. Now, this is what the 3:19 public is seeing. And how do you view 3:23 these several things, Bang Dula, 3:25 besides later in closing, we also ask 3:27 about the continuous decline of the KPK 3:29 index. Please, Bang Dula. Yes. Alright, 3:34 to the listeners of Radio Silaturahim 3:36 who are, God willing, blessed by Allah 3:37 Ta'ala on this blessed Friday morning. 3:42 First, in the Anti-Corruption Law, Law 3:46 31/1999 in conjunction with Law Number 3:49 20 of 2001. Article 2 paragraph 2 reads 3:56 like this. Under certain circumstances, 4:00 the death penalty can be applied. So, 4:03 the Corruption Eradication Law already 4:05 contains a clause regarding capital 4:07 punishment. The issue lies in the 4:10 explanation of that clause. The 4:14 explanation states that "certain 4:16 circumstances" means, firstly, the 4:18 occurrence of a national natural 4:20 disaster. Secondly, an attack by a 4:24 foreign enemy. So, the drafters of this 4:29 law are the same as those of the New 4:33 Order era. The academic draft is good, 4:37 but in dozens of articles, there is 4:40 always a door or window left open to 4:43 jump out and save oneself. Or, like on 4:48 an airplane, there is a parachute to 4:52 jump out if something happens. 4:57 So, in the Corruption Eradication Law, 4:58 it is also like that. 5:00 The explanation serves as a parachute 5:03 for them to jump out. Why? Because of 5:06 the national natural disaster and 5:09 foreign enemy attack clauses. That 5:12 seems quite difficult to implement, 5:16 doesn't it? But if we look at several 5:21 natural disasters, like in Aceh, then 5:26 North Sumatra, and West Sumatra last 5:31 October, they caused over 1,000 deaths. 5:38 Then, over 60 trillion in state losses 5:41 due to damaged infrastructure, followed 5:45 by other natural disasters, though they 5:48 did not happen simultaneously. But if 5:54 accumulated, that total meets the 5:57 requirements of Article 2, Paragraph 2 6:00 of the Corruption Eradication Law. 6:04 Especially if we consider the statement 6:07 from the Ulema Council; the Quran in 6:10 Al-Ma'idah 38 states that for a Muslim 6:12 man or woman who steals, cut off their 6:15 hands. But Al-Ma'idah 33 states that if 6:21 an individual or group commits acts 6:25 causing natural disasters, destruction, 6:29 and so on, then the perpetrators should 6:33 be killed, crucified, have their right 6:38 hand and left foot cut off, or be 6:41 exiled. So, that is already there, both 6:47 in the Corruption Eradication Law and 6:50 in the Quran. Now, the problem remains 6:55 in the application. The application 6:58 could ideally be in the form of a 7:00 Government Regulation in Lieu of Law ( 7:02 Perpu). If, say, the explanation of 7:07 Article 2, Paragraph 2 is biased or is 7:11 a parachute for them to escape 7:14 punishment, then the President can 7:18 issue a Perpu or a Presidential Decree 7:22 to clarify Article 2, Paragraph 2 of 7:26 the Corruption Law, stating that 7:31 corruptors who do such and such are 7:34 subject to the death penalty. Take 7:37 narcotics, for example; it carries the 7:39 death penalty. So, it could be 7:42 calculated. 7:44 If for drugs, tens of kilos causing 7:46 billions in losses leads to a death 7:48 sentence, then corruption can be 7:50 treated the same way. 7:53 It can be made equivalent to the death 7:55 penalty for corruptors. For example, 7:59 let's say corruption of billions could 8:02 start with cutting off the right finger 8:05 , for example 2 billion, two fingers, 8:10 3 billion, three fingers, and so on 8:11 until the end. But if it reaches the 8:15 scale of a natural disaster and results 8:18 in losses of tens of trillions, then 8:20 the death penalty can be imposed, 8:23 similar to drug laws where people, uh, 8:26 who abuse or sell meth or, you know, 8:28 tons of it, are given the death penalty 8:31 . And that has already been happening. 8:35 What is certain is that the KPK has 8:37 already applied a life sentence 8:39 for the Chief Justice of the 8:40 Constitutional Court, that is already 8:42 in effect. Even though what the Chief 8:44 Justice of the Constitutional Court 8:45 corrupted didn't reach a trillion. 8:47 It was only around a dozen billion or 8:50 so. That is a life sentence. Life. So 8:54 if it leads to, let’s say, the former 8:58 Director of Special Crimes with 74 kg 9:01 of gold, how much is that? How many 9:04 billions is that? 9:06 And so on, then the death penalty could 9:09 be applied to that. The problem is 9:12 whether the Attorney General, the 9:17 National Police Chief, or the KPK 9:20 Chairman are people in power or not. 9:24 Now, why? Because if they are people in 9:28 power, while these corruptions cannot 9:32 happen alone. They involve all parties 9:36 like that, 9:37 then it becomes difficult to implement. 9:41 So, the only way is punishment from the 9:45 people to the rulers who come from 9:48 political parties. That punishment is 9:53 during the 2024 Presidential Election 9:54 and regional elections. If that's the 9:57 case, then don't vote for those 9:59 legislative candidates, regents, 10:01 governors, mayors, vice-presidents, and 10:03 current presidents; do not elect them 10:06 again. So that is the punishment from 10:09 the public to the, what you call them, 10:11 officials who do not want to carry out, 10:13 what you call it, the death penalty 10:15 like that. That is the issue of the 10:18 death penalty. Yeah. 10:20 The second one, the issue of, uh, what 10:25 was it again, Mas Angga? Uh, the second 10:27 one. 10:27 Yes. The spotlight on the Solo family's 10:29 wealth. 10:30 Oh, right. Yeah, yeah. So, uh, there 10:36 was a minister during Jokowi's second 10:41 term. This is a story told to me by 10:44 someone from UI. 10:46 Uh. 10:48 That one of the lecturers at UI was 10:51 invited for a fit and proper test to 10:54 become the Minister of Education in 10:56 Jokowi's second term. It turned out he 11:01 was not selected. The one selected was 11:04 Nadiem, like that. Why wasn't he 11:06 selected? Because his "contribution" 11:08 was far less than what was contributed 11:11 by Nadiem. Like that. 11:13 If I'm not mistaken, 11:15 the information I heard, the 11:16 contribution was 1 T, 1 trillion, like 11:18 that. So, therefore, it's natural that 11:22 when Nadiem became minister, he had to 11:25 recoup it, because even though he is a 11:27 businessman, 1 trillion is not a small 11:30 amount. So, ministers, governors, 11:34 mayors, regents, they all make 11:36 contributions. Uh. 11:39 So when they do that, their money 11:42 becomes unlimited. For example, if one 11:46 minister alone contributes 1 trillion 11:48 or half a trillion and so on, and there 11:50 are 30... 11:52 30 ministers, how much would that be? 11:55 Not to mention the oligarchs involved 11:57 in corruption cases. 11:59 Now, 11:59 yeah. Look at Jokowi's cabinet. Almost 12:04 75%of Jokowi's cabinet are problematic 12:06 people. Uh. 12:08 Problematic people. For example, Sri 12:10 Mulyani. Sri Mulyani was involved in 12:12 the Bank Century case when she was 12:14 Minister of Finance, and at that time I 12:15 was still at the KPK. 12:17 I was still at the KPK. So I know it 12:19 very well. Then, she managed to leave 12:23 for abroad to become a director at the 12:27 World Bank there. Yeah. 12:30 Now, when Jokowi became president for 12:33 his first term, he asked Sri Mulyani to 12:35 be Minister of Finance. 12:37 Uh. 12:38 Sri Mulyani gave terms, saying, "I am 12:41 willing, provided that my case is not 12:43 uncovered, not pursued, and so on." 12:48 So, the people Jokowi uses are people 12:50 with problems, so if they try anything, 12:52 they can be entrapped. Uh. 12:54 That is why Sri Mulyani's policies are 12:57 often strange. Uh, but that is because 13:00 they are under Jokowi's orders or the 13:02 orders of the oligarchy who want to 13:05 stay free and so on. Yes, just like 13:07 that. Later, when it's Prabowo's time, 13:10 only then will Sri be able to free 13:12 herself from those shackles. That's how 13:16 it is with Governors, Regents, and 13:19 Mayors as well. 13:22 And then the parties, including those 13:24 called Islamic parties, also have 13:25 candidates for Regent, Governor, and 13:27 Mayor, they have their... 13:30 they have all sorts of terms. 13:32 Ah, they have all sorts of terms. Yes. 13:37 Then the money for, what is it, 13:39 campaigns, equipment funds, all sorts 13:42 of terms like that. So eventually, when 13:46 they are already elected, they have to 13:48 pay it back, like that. And because 13:51 they cover for each other, then... 13:54 it's impossible for the law to be 13:57 enforced like that. Now, that's Jokowi. 14:00 Then, as explained by what's his name, 14:04 Badrun... 14:05 how many years ago? 5 years ago, more 14:09 than 6, 7 years, I forget. Oh, 2001. 14:12 The year 2000. The year 2021. Sorry. 14:16 2021. 14:17 2020. 14:18 Yes. What is it called? There was a 14:22 company, Sinarmas. Subsidiaries of 14:24 Sinarmas. 14:26 Burned thousands of hectares of forest 14:28 in South Sumatra. 14:31 Then, when sued by the Ministry, what 14:35 is it? Environment and Forestry for 14:39 trillions, the first-instance district 14:43 court in Palembang rejected the lawsuit 14:47 from the Ministry of Environment and 14:50 Forestry. But then the Ministry of 14:54 Environment and Forestry filed an 14:56 appeal, and it turned out they were 14:58 sentenced to pay billions. Billions, 15:01 from trillions down to just billions 15:03 like that. 15:05 Now, because at that time Gibran and 15:09 Kaesang received a capital injection 15:12 from a Sinarmas subsidiary of about 93 15:15 billion Rupiah. 15:18 Into a company newly formed by Gibran 15:21 and Kaesang. Imagine, these young 15:24 people just formed a small company, a 15:26 company selling fried bananas, selling 15:28 this and that, and then they get 93 15:30 billion like that. 15:33 Yeah. Then with those funds, they 15:35 bought shares. 15:37 Bought shares, then how many million 15:40 shares, totaling 92 billion like that. 15:45 So, because of that, there was a light 15:48 sentence from, what is it? uh the 15:54 Sinarmas subsidiary. Now, the funny 15:57 thing is the leader of Sinarmas was 15:59 appointed as an envoy. 16:01 To South Korea. 16:04 And then, after serving as Ambassador 16:06 to South Korea, he became part of 16:07 President Jokowi's advisory team. So, 16:11 that is quite extraordinary. 16:14 And because of that, as the English 16:16 saying goes, there is no such thing as 16:19 a free lunch, right? Nothing is free. 16:22 So, every move like that has money 16:25 involved, and so on. 16:28 Therefore, it is natural if, for 16:30 example, Joko has unlimited wealth. 16:33 There is even a story later 16:36 that 2 or 3 years before Jokowi stepped 16:39 down, he received trillions in Malaysia 16:42 . Then from an oligarch from South 16:46 Kalimantan. Then he bought shares in a 16:49 palm oil company in Malaysia, just like 16:51 that. 16:53 The problem is that the KPK is 16:54 currently toothless. Why? 16:58 Jokowi, through the oligarchs, changed 17:01 the KPK law so that the KPK cannot do 17:03 anything because the new KPK law 17:06 created by Joko 17:08 states that KPK staff are civil 17:10 servants (ASN). ASN, and according to 17:14 the ASN Law, the boss of the ASN is the 17:17 president, 17:19 so it is impossible for the KPK to 17:22 process, not just Ubay and Badun, but I 17:24 and several friends have also come to 17:27 report to the KPK, 17:31 regarding what is called the Gibran and 17:34 Kaesang case, also the case of the 17:36 Medan Block at that time, we reported 17:39 it, yes, and one of the employees told 17:41 me, "Mr. Abdullah, let's wait for the 17:44 weather to change." Yes, that was his 17:47 answer. 17:49 The weather. 17:50 What that meant was that only if the 17:52 regime changes would the KPK be brave 17:54 enough to act. 17:55 But it turns out that later, 17:58 when the president changed to Prabowo, 18:00 it turned out that Prabowo is also 18:02 Jokowi's person, so then 18:03 he entered, entered the same gang. The 18:08 current KPK Chairman is a Jokowi 18:09 loyalist. So, with that, a statement 18:12 was made a while ago by the current KPK 18:15 Chairman that enforcement is expensive, 18:18 and all sorts of things. That duty of 18:22 the KPK is stipulated in the law, both 18:24 the old KPK law and the new KPK law. 18:27 There are three duties of the KPK; 18:29 first, to coordinate with law 18:31 enforcement and supervisory agencies. 18:34 Yes. 18:34 Second, supervision, and third, 18:36 enforcement. So that is mandatory. 18:38 What is the mandatory legal term for 18:40 that? Now, if you don't want high costs 18:43 and so on, then just carry out the 18:45 death penalty for major corruption 18:47 cases. 18:50 So there is no need for prison costs, 18:51 no need for handling costs, and so on, 18:53 just directly carry out the death 18:54 penalty. This is what I often say, 18:57 considering that 18:59 Islam indeed does not recognize 19:00 imprisonment. Islam recognizes corporal 19:03 punishment. Whether it is cutting off a 19:07 hand or the death penalty, so there are 19:10 no costs for building prisons, no costs 19:13 to fund prisons, guards, and so on, 19:15 just corporal punishment. 19:19 Now, therefore, I introduce what is 19:22 actually not my concept, but a general 19:24 concept where 19:27 it uses the philosophy of eating hot 19:29 porridge. 19:31 Hot porridge. You eat it from the edge, 19:34 from the side. 19:36 If you go straight to the middle, it 19:37 will, you know, blister your, you know, 19:40 lips, so you have to start from the 19:41 edge. So, where should we start from 19:43 the edge? I suggest starting with Bobby 19:46 . 19:47 Because Bobby is the son-in-law whose 19:49 resistance is likely not as strong as 19:52 going directly to Jokowi. 19:55 He has three cases. 19:58 First, the Medan block mentioned by the 20:00 former North Maluku governor. Yeah. 20:02 There’s a company in Ternate. Second 20:06 is the use of a private jet that was, 20:10 what do you call it, parked in Solo 20:14 when Gibran was mayor. 20:19 Third, it is now being handled by law 20:21 enforcement in North Sumatra, the PUPR 20:24 case, highways, and so on. 20:27 Yes. So, if that is processed by the 20:32 KPK, it will then drag Kaesang and 20:35 Gibran into it. Why? Because 20:41 they are not civil servants, so they 20:43 cannot be processed by the police, 20:47 prosecutors, let alone the KPK. 20:51 Experience shows that the KPK has 20:53 arrested several village heads or 20:56 district heads because they were 20:58 involved with other state officials, 21:00 whether regents, mayors, governors, 21:03 ministers, and so on. 21:06 So 21:07 Kaesang can be involved in the KPK 21:11 process if Bobby is processed later. 21:16 Now, why? The private jet used by Bobby 21:21 Nasution was parked in Solo when the 21:24 mayor of Solo was Gibran. And so, when 21:31 the Medan block is processed, the 21:34 private jet is processed, then Kaesang 21:37 and Gibran can be processed because 21:40 Gibran was 21:41 Mayor of Solo at that time. Now, if 21:43 those three people—Bobby, then what 21:48 is it? Gibran and Kaesang are processed 21:51 , leaving only Jokowi, then the 21:53 oligarchs who have supported him so far 21:55 will think twice. Yeah. 21:58 I often say that in capitalist theory, 22:01 you use the smallest capital to get the 22:03 biggest profit. Yes. 22:06 So if the public is already leaning 22:09 that way, the oligarchs think what 22:11 matters is that we can join the new 22:13 government, join the new era, so they 22:15 will reconsider whether to stick with 22:18 Jokowi and risk being caught, which 22:20 would make them abandon him. That is 22:23 where Jokowi 22:25 can be processed. Now, 22:28 therefore, Prabowo must have the 22:31 courage to issue the asset forfeiture 22:35 law. 22:37 Which has been a long time, since I was 22:39 still at the KPK, 22:41 before the KPK, since 2003 we have 22:44 proposed that. 22:46 But then it’s difficult because I can 22:48 understand that if the House of 22:49 Representatives passes it, it’s like 22:51 they are digging their own graves. But 22:56 many things have to be paralleled, 22:58 right? From asset forfeiture to the 23:01 death penalty, and so on. Oh, so 23:03 there’s a lot, then. 23:05 But if Prabowo is truly a general and 23:07 he wants that, 23:09 then he must be brave enough to do it, 23:12 even if he himself is involved. Like 23:15 the former Chinese president said, not 23:17 the current one. The previous Chinese 23:20 leader said, "I prepare 100 coffins, 99 23:23 for corruptors, and one for myself." 23:26 Yeah. 23:27 Now, if Prabowo does that and the 23:29 oligarchs are arrested and jailed and 23:32 all that. Then, if people close to him 23:35 must also be processed? It’s fine if 23:37 they are processed. 23:39 Later, the public will eventually 23:41 support and demand, "Prabowo has done a 23:44 service," so that Prabowo is released. 23:47 So there will be amnesty or abolition 23:49 for, what's his name, Prabowo, right? 23:51 Prabowo also already showed it 23:53 yesterday 23:54 a minister's case, 23:56 which minister is that? The former 23:59 Minister of Trade and the PDIP 24:01 Secretary General. 24:02 Now, that is also 24:04 uh, Prabowo's amnesty and abolition, 24:06 isn't that so? So, 24:08 so it means 24:09 Tom Lembong and Hasto, 24:13 and Hel, 24:13 and Hasto, that's what you call it, 24:15 right? So that is corruption under 24:18 Prabowo, like that. 24:19 He he. 24:20 Yes. How, uh, can corruptors be 24:23 released like that, because, uh, I 24:26 heard a story that when, uh, Prabowo 24:30 met with Megawati, one of Megawati's 24:33 requests was the release was, yes, with 24:38 that abolition, like that. 24:42 Well, those things must be carried out 24:44 simultaneously. Now, for that, as a 24:49 final point, I often say that students 24:51 should go to the KPK every day, or at 24:53 least every week or two, to demand the 24:56 process, the elimination process. 24:59 Correct, correct, protest actions by 25:01 people 25:02 going to the Attorney General's Office 25:04 for the Jamsostek case and so on. 25:06 Currently, the ones protesting are 25:08 still just cases like Febri's, the 25:09 students are protesting. 25:11 Yes. Uh, but don't just focus on the 25:14 Attorney General's Office, the KPK too. 25:16 Among other things, the KPK has the 25:18 right of supervision 25:20 so that if, for example, the Attorney 25:22 General's Office acts up, the KPK can 25:24 take over. Well, indeed, 25:27 uh, there is hope because the 25:28 investigators at the Attorney General's 25:30 Office are three former KPK prosecutors 25:32 , and I know them well, they have 25:34 integrity, but the problem is they are 25:36 employees of the prosecutor's office. 25:40 If the Attorney General says to stop or 25:42 something like 25:43 stop. 25:44 Yeah. 25:45 Stop, just like that. Now, because of 25:47 that, what I always say is, Prabowo, 25:49 please issue a government regulation in 25:51 lieu of law (Perpu) to restore the old 25:54 KPK law. 25:56 Because when it was the old KPK, they 25:57 were independent and could do anything 25:59 that could be done by politics and 26:01 prosecutors. That's it, Mas Angga. 26:04 Yes. In closing, Bang Dul, the people 26:06 are getting more restless, aren't they? 26:09 In the health world, the behavior of 26:11 the healthcare workers is causing 26:13 unrest, right? In the political world, 26:14 the politics are causing unrest, right? 26:16 The authorities are also causing unrest 26:18 . Many ministries are also causing 26:19 unrest. Including those who should be 26:22 soothing and providing strength to the 26:24 soul. Some of the clerics are also 26:26 causing unrest. How, Bang Dul, do we 26:28 soothe this public unrest? What should 26:31 we hold on to? Closing from Bang Dul. 26:33 Yes. When Abu Bakar became caliph, he 26:38 once said that at one time you will 26:41 face very serious problems, very 26:44 gripping, very, what do you call it? 26:49 Roughly like the condition that Mas 26:52 Angga just mentioned. Abu Bakar said, " 26:54 Return to the mosque." 26:55 Hm. 26:56 Now, return to the mosque. But then the 26:59 mosque nowadays is just a place for 27:01 prayer. 27:02 H 27:02 yes. Whereas the Prophet's mosque was 27:06 not only a place for prayer, it was 27:08 also a school, it was also the office 27:09 of the head of state to solve social 27:11 problems in the mosque. Well, when we 27:16 return to the mosque, the mosque's 27:19 movement can then awaken the community 27:21 and subsequently carry out an economic 27:24 initiative, such as establishing a 27:27 mosque cooperative. And then selling 27:32 goods produced by farmers, fishermen, 27:35 and the local villagers. Not like 27:39 village cooperatives that end up just 27:41 being agents for Indomaret or Alfamart 27:44 and the like. So, it becomes an 27:47 economic movement, a cultural movement, 27:49 and a guiding movement from the mosque, 27:51 because with movements from the mosque, 27:53 people won't commit violations like 27:55 usury within it. How could one practice 27:58 usury or sell damaged goods in a mosque 28:01 , right? 28:03 By doing so, the function of the mosque 28:05 , as it was in the time of the Prophet 28:07 and his companions, provides the 28:09 community with an alternative, so that 28:12 when, for instance, the price of rice 28:14 is high, the atmosphere in the mosque 28:16 prevents them from becoming frustrated 28:18 and so on. When they are in the mosque 28:22 environment, if they are short on money 28:23 , they won't turn to illegal online 28:24 loans or other such things because of 28:26 the mosque's atmosphere. So, in that 28:28 way, the mosque becomes a center of 28:30 civilization, a center, and a center of 28:33 struggle. God willing, if that happens, 28:37 then in 2029, as I said earlier, the 28:39 community will be wary of the current 28:41 political parties, not 28:46 like that, Mas Anggan. which is strong. 28:47 So it means strengthening their faith, 28:50 right, Bang Dulah? 28:51 God willing, that means faith and piety 28:54 . 28:55 Yes. 28:56 Alright Bang Dulah, thank you very much 28:58 for the dialogue this morning. I hope 29:01 Bang Dulah is always healthy. God 29:02 willing, we will meet again next week, 29:03 Bang Dulah. 29:05 Assalamu'alaikum. 29:06 Wa'alaikumussalam warahmatullahi 29:08 wabarakatuh. 
