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0:06 Brail TV. 0:11 In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious 0:12 , the Most Merciful. Peace be upon you, 0:13 and Allah's mercy and blessings. Praise 0:15 be to God, we meet again today, 0:18 Wednesday, August 5, 2026, or the 21st 0:22 of Safar 1448 Hijri. We meet again in 0:27 the Hijrah Talk show. Of course, here 0:31 we have Neza, Algi, and also our 0:34 friends who are doing an internship, 0:37 Danya, Cacan, and Reva from SMK Taruna 0:40 Bakti, or abbreviated as Starbucks. 0:45 Alright, we have certainly invited 0:47 Coach Husaini. He is a BNSP Master 0:51 Trainer and a digital scale-up 0:54 consultant, and later we will present 0:58 Professor Sultan Deden Lesmana, an 1:01 expert in circular economy. Later we 1:06 will hear his explanations on how to 1:09 make compost, make fertilizer, and 1:12 relate it all to the Quran. We will 1:16 hear from him later. Okay. Uh, alright. 1:22 With Coach Husaini and Prof. Sultan 1:26 Deden Lesmana who is currently in 1:29 Cirebon. Peace be upon you, Bib. 1:34 And peace be upon you, and Allah's 1:35 mercy and blessings, sir. Your voice 1:37 can be heard. 1:38 Oh, this is a very interesting theme, 1:40 isn't it? Designing a circular economy, 1:44 turning waste into profit. This is 1:46 actually what is being faced by the 1:48 government. Confused, confused, 1:50 confused by this waste pile, right? 1:53 Okay, could you give an introduction 1:55 first, Bang Habib, Coach Husaini? 1:59 Okay, thank you, Mr. Krishna. You're 2:02 healthy, Mr. Krishna, right? 2:03 Praise be to God, Bang Habib. 2:05 Okay. Praise be to Allah, Lord of the 2:07 worlds. In the name of Allah, the Most 2:08 Gracious, the Most Merciful. Peace be 2:09 upon you, and Allah's mercy and 2:10 blessings. Praise be to Allah, Lord of 2:12 the worlds. All praise is due to Allah 2:14 who has given us blessings today. 2:16 Amen. Health, life, and the opportunity 2:21 to discuss all sorts of things related 2:24 to the community, the economy, and 2:27 empowerment. May prayers and peace 2:30 always be upon Prophet Muhammad, peace 2:33 be upon him. 2:36 Sir. 2:37 And his family. Maybe send it first, 2:40 Mr. Krishna. 2:43 About to enter the toll road, right? 2:44 May the voice be heard. Prayers and 2:48 peace to Prophet Muhammad, peace be 2:50 upon him, his family, and his 2:52 companions, the best of mankind and the 2:55 best of examples. Today we will discuss 3:00 something that is often underestimated 3:05 by some people, namely waste. But this 3:10 is not just waste, Mr. Krishna, this is 3:12 actually the future of Indonesia. 3:16 Because history shows that great 3:19 nations are not only good at managing 3:22 natural resources but are capable of 3:26 managing problems. So, so an 3:33 opportunity, right? Maybe if it's like 3:36 that, waste is even made into an island 3:38 , right? There are other countries, 3:41 many European countries too, where 3:43 waste can be made into a commodity. 3:47 Even there are countries that really 3:49 need waste, what is it called? 3:52 Importing waste from other countries 3:54 because their country has no waste, no 3:56 materials that can be processed. Now, 4:00 ironically, in our daily lives, what we 4:03 throw away turns out to be one of the 4:06 fastest-growing industries in the world 4:09 today. And this is, uh, one of those 4:13 things that, in Islam, is a form of 4:16 ongoing charity, right? Our 4:18 contribution to improving the 4:21 environment. So, it's about our 4:23 relationship with the environment. Now, 4:25 one of these approaches is the circular 4:27 economy. A circular economy is uh, very 4:32 much needed right now because the 4:35 future in this era of disruption isn't 4:37 about being the biggest, but about who 4:40 learns the fastest. It's about how 4:44 something discarded, something that 4:47 becomes waste, can be reprocessed so it 4:51 can be used again. Especially if it can 4:54 have economic value. Now, uh, Indonesia 4:57 is currently entering a new chapter, 5:00 Mr. Krisna. 5:03 There are several, starting from the 5:05 green economy, where countries are 5:07 beginning to provide incentives to 5:08 eco-friendly businesses. Maybe we've 5:11 heard of something like green carbon. 5:15 So, uh, what happens is that companies, 5:18 uh, buy credits; if they don't plant a 5:21 forest, they buy credits instead. Now, 5:26 those green carbon credits are 5:28 currently being promoted, right? It's 5:32 about how Indonesia's conservation 5:34 efforts are extraordinary in absorbing 5:37 carbon. What's more, Indonesia is quite 5:39 unique. Where, uh, things like swamps 5:44 or coastal areas, uh, there's so much 5:48 of that, and the absorption is far 5:51 greater, uh, even thirty times more 5:54 than, uh, regular plants. So, uh, the 5:58 plants that live in coastal areas, uh, 6:01 absorb carbon from above and also from 6:03 below. So Indonesia is really very 6:05 unique. Then there is also the digital 6:07 economy, where data has become the new 6:09 asset. So, in the future, assets won't 6:13 just be, uh, natural resources like oil 6:17 and such, but data. Why did we see 6:21 recently, during the war, that, uh, 6:25 Iran attacked data centers? Well, it's 6:29 because data is an asset. Data is, uh, 6:32 information, data is strategy. Uh, data 6:36 is something that is very important. So 6:39 , uh, this data generates an incredibly 6:43 great power. Now, back to the circular 6:47 economy. In this circular economy, what 6:50 used to be called waste, becomes raw 6:52 material. Waste is a new resource. 6:56 Waste is a new, uh, resource. In fact, 6:59 uh, from the latest research, only 7%of 7:03 waste globally is processed. Now, there 7:07 is so much waste in Indonesia that is 7:10 not managed well. Actually, there are 7:14 already, uh, startups and communities 7:17 starting to process waste. How waste is 7:21 , uh, shredded and separated. Uh, some 7:25 of it is decomposed. And that can 7:29 become, uh, processed material. Some 7:33 also become, uh, raw materials, raw 7:35 materials for industry. So, there are 7:40 many, uh, many, uh, factors there. Well 7:43 , there are other things like the 7:46 knowledge economy, and the idea and 7:49 collaboration economy. So, what does 7:53 that mean? If in the past our business 7:57 only sold products, now we have to sell 8:00 solutions. We used to chase turnover; 8:03 now we build ecosystems, Mr. Krishna. 8:06 Yes. 8:06 Many people want to scale their 8:08 business, but it turns out they are 8:10 just opening more branches. Adding 8:12 employees, adding costs. This is not 8:15 scaling up, because scaling up means 8:18 revenue is greater than the costs. With 8:22 the circular economy, the impact is 8:25 much greater. The resources used are 8:29 low-cost resources, or even discarded 8:31 ones. That actually increases the 8:36 company's value more drastically, and 8:39 this is even a new trend with 8:42 government regulations prohibiting 8:45 waste disposal at landfills and so on. 8:49 This is actually a new opportunity. So, 8:54 scaling up or growth, how we grow our 8:58 business, depends on the value, the 9:02 system, the technology, the people, and 9:06 collaboration. So right now, it's not 9:11 about having 100%of the shares but not 9:14 growing. Instead, we should invite 9:17 people who can collaborate. Oh, Mr. 9:20 Krishna is great at communication. Mr. 9:22 Krishna is great at networking. Okay, I 9:25 am in the technical and digital 9:27 department. We collaborate. That 9:29 produces much bigger results. When we 9:33 want to scale up, the simple principle 9:39 is what problem are we solving? Not 9:44 starting with "I sell this product." 9:47 But starting from the problem. The 9:49 bigger the problem, the greater the 9:51 potential for our product to grow. One 9:55 of the biggest problems now is waste. 10:00 Secondly, who benefits from our product 10:04 ? When we utilize waste, the community 10:08 also benefits. It’s about how we 10:11 reduce environmental emissions, reduce 10:15 disease, reduce waste, and so on. If we 10:19 look at Bekasi, at Bantar Gebang, the 10:21 effects have spread everywhere—to the 10:23 water and the air. It's quite 10:25 unfortunate. So, when we can process 10:28 waste—which is now being facilitated 10:31 by the government—we will reduce 10:34 emissions. The third thing is the 10:36 process. How to create a faster process 10:38 . Technology also helps, there is AI 10:42 now to analyze data, how we interact 10:45 with customers, and so on. So, the 10:49 point of the circular economy is that 10:52 the old model was: take, produce, throw 10:55 away, finished. But the circular 10:58 economy is: take, produce, and then 11:01 improve it. Recycle it, and then use it 11:04 again. So, actually, there is no such 11:07 thing as waste in a circular economy, 11:09 there is only, uh, materials that 11:11 haven't been used yet, right? So, this, 11:14 uh, every big problem is, uh, a big 11:18 potential that we haven't actually 11:21 utilized yet. The bigger the problem, 11:23 the bigger the business opportunity, 11:25 right? Now, waste is everyone's problem 11:27 , Mr. Krisna. 11:29 So, what is the solution? Managing this 11:32 waste has a very, very large market, 11:35 right? Now, uh, as it happens, I know a 11:39 professor who is an expert in the field 11:44 of waste. 11:45 Mashallah. 11:46 Right. So, how about later we, uh, 11:50 listen to his story, how he manages 11:53 waste, even starting from, uh, the 11:56 household level, right? How his 11:59 children, instead of being funded for 12:02 college, were able to generate income 12:05 to pay for their own tuition, uh, own 12:08 assets, and so on. This is a real story 12:11 from him. Later we will try to ask him, 12:14 okay. He has already practiced this. He 12:17 has indeed been, uh, involved in this 12:19 field for a long time. He also develops 12:22 things that can be planted and, uh, can 12:25 be eaten. So, if there are many 12:28 pesticides and such, that has an impact 12:30 on our bodies. So, his studies are 12:33 actually holistic, right? Not just for 12:36 nature, but also for the body. Actually 12:38 , we could make this into several 12:39 sessions if possible, Mr. Krisna. But 12:41 it is very interesting to discuss that 12:44 this circular economy can create jobs, 12:47 new businesses, food security, right, 12:49 and food health, right? And this can be 12:53 started from home, right; our lives can 12:56 be cleaner, we have plants, we can, uh, 12:58 eat the food that is produced, right? 13:01 Now, this, uh, discussion, I hope we 13:04 can gain knowledge and the courage to 13:07 start because regulations already 13:09 support it, right; we start from our 13:12 own homes, right. Now, let's explore, 13:16 uh, today with Prof. Deden Lesmana, 13:20 right. Hopefully, uh, our environment 13:24 can manage waste to be a blessing, 13:26 compost to be productive, right. and 13:29 productive. So, an economy that 13:32 empowers and helps the community in an 13:35 era, uh, of challenges like this, Mr. 13:38 Krisna. Yeah, ready. That is all, Mr. 13:41 Krisna, a little opening from me. 13:44 Alright, perhaps we can go straight to 13:46 Prof. Sultan Deden Lesmana, a circular 13:48 economy expert. Hello, Prof. Prof. 13:54 Sultan. He is currently in Cirebon. Now 14:00 , 14:00 uh, Sir, I ask for 5 minutes, I am 14:01 about to unload some goods for a moment 14:03 , okay, Sir. 14:04 Oh, right, right, right. We 14:06 go ahead. 14:07 5 minutes. 14:09 It's fine, Mr. Krisna. 14:11 Do you know, from RT8 in, uh, Duren 14:13 Sawit, the neighborhood head is also 14:15 from Cirebon. In his neighborhood, it's 14:19 zero waste, everything is useful, even 14:22 the gutters have become fish ponds, and 14:25 the ponds are not just for decoration 14:27 but can be utilized. They even said the 14:30 catfish... 14:33 weigh more than if you bought them at 14:35 the market, so there are clean 14:36 vegetables, oh my, his name is Mr. 14:38 Taufik. 14:40 so waste 14:40 Mr. Taufik is 14:41 Waste is interesting, isn't it, Mr. 14:43 Krisna, as people now call it the "next 14:45 oil.""Next oil" means that waste will 14:49 become the next oil, right? Because the 14:52 world is undergoing changes very 14:55 rapidly. In the past, we destroyed 14:58 nature to create economic value. Now, 15:01 we create economic value from the 15:03 resources that exist. I see plastic 15:06 being processed. So, the plastic waste 15:10 is processed, there's a machine to 15:13 shred and clean it. 15:16 Once cleaned, it can become various 15:18 products, like toys, household goods, 15:21 and so on. 15:22 Then there is also processed waste. 15:26 Food waste, it's very simple; I saw 15:30 Prof. Deden put it into something like 15:35 a water gallon. He puts it in, and it 15:38 can become very healthy fertilizer. So 15:41 it's put into 15:42 the soil, and the land doesn't even 15:44 have to be large. 15:45 And the food can become much healthier. 15:48 Yes, that's how it is. The plants grow 15:49 faster, right? He has also researched 15:51 this, and later 15:52 we will hear about it. So, waste 15:54 becomes raw material. Now, costs become 15:59 profits. This change is not just about 16:02 selling products. If we sell products, 16:05 we don't know where the materials come 16:07 from, whether it destroys nature, and 16:09 so on. But here, we are helping, 16:12 helping nature; this is one of our good 16:15 deeds for the environment. All this 16:17 time, humans have damaged nature a lot, 16:19 extracting 16:20 oil and other things. Now, Prof. Deden 16:24 can join us. 16:24 Are you ready? 16:25 Yes, I can. Yes. 16:26 Hello. Peace be upon you, Prof. Sultan 16:28 Deden Lesmana. 16:30 And peace be upon you too. Thank you 16:32 for your willingness to be interviewed 16:34 by Radio Rasil here in Jakarta. Prof., 16:37 regarding 16:39 the definition of waste here, what kind 16:41 of waste is meant, what waste can be 16:43 utilized? 16:44 Please start, Prof. Perhaps with an 16:47 introduction. 16:48 Yes. Peace be upon you. Let me 16:50 introduce myself, I am Deden from 16:54 Bandung, because there are several 16:56 goals, one of which is utilizing waste 16:59 to make beverages. Oh, waste. So, it 17:03 becomes a drink. Wow, what kind of 17:04 drink is that? Amazing. We will discuss 17:07 that in the session later. 17:08 Alright. Thank you very much for this 17:12 research journey, and thank God it has 17:15 been recognized. So, the waste being 17:19 processed is mostly coming from 17:25 households. 17:27 Households. 17:28 Yes. Now, the transfer from households 17:31 to the neighborhood unit (RT), then 17:32 from the RT to the community unit (RW), 17:34 and from the RW to the landfill (TPA), 17:36 is not actually waste management, but 17:38 waste relocation, which causes 17:40 landfills to grow. Now, if landfills 17:43 keep growing, the most common household 17:45 waste is organic waste. 17:47 Yes. 17:47 It makes up almost 70 to 80%. In 17:51 landfills, the waste that is collected 17:54 is waste that has market value. For 17:58 example, plastic, 17:59 iron, and so on. While the organic 18:01 waste and residues are left behind. 18:04 H 18:04 so year after year the waste piles up 18:07 and finally cannot be managed. 18:10 Indonesia's waste emergency seems not 18:12 due to wrong, uh, wrong handling, maybe 18:15 it's wrong 18:18 in the households. uh, uh, handling 18:20 from the start, from the source. 18:24 Yeah. 18:24 Now, waste should be resolved at the 18:26 neighborhood and community unit levels 18:28 by turning waste into the dining table. 18:32 So, uh, we are trying to create a 18:33 program with teams in Bandung called 18:35 waste to table. How waste is processed 18:38 directly into products, yes, waste to 18:41 table. So, uh, it becomes chili, onions 18:44 , long beans, secondary crops, rice, 18:47 and finally returns to the dining table 18:50 . 18:51 Now, the government's job is how to 18:54 handle the residue, 18:56 not handling the organic waste. 18:58 H 18:59 not handling the organic waste. If they 19:00 handle the organic waste, the 19:01 government's job gets even heavier. 19:04 Because the government has few 19:05 personnel, we are more numerous, that's 19:07 why the waste cannot be handled. In 19:10 Indonesia, uh, there are many waste 19:13 experts and, uh, there are many studies 19:16 , I have also received, uh, burdens, 19:19 received insults, received mockery. 19:23 What I ask is, why does the waste keep 19:25 increasing, you know. 19:27 So, uh, resolve waste at the community 19:29 level, you know. Don't resolve waste at 19:32 the end. If at the end, it will never 19:34 be resolved. Now, this is what we will 19:36 discuss today, how to resolve waste at 19:38 the household and community levels. So, 19:41 what are called biological agents, 19:44 household waste like leftover rice, 19:47 vegetables, fish, those are biological 19:50 agents that have enzymes and vitamins 19:53 for the media for, uh, for, uh, soil 19:56 fertility. Now, the way to do it is, uh 20:01 , we will dump that waste into one 20:04 container. The container is, let's say, 20:08 a gallon jug. Gallon. A mineral water 20:11 one is easier. 20:13 So, later, uh, later every day it is 20:15 covered with soil. 20:17 H 20:18 put in organic waste, cover it again 20:20 with soil, per layer, yes. 20:22 H 20:23 it just so happens I am on the road so 20:25 I cannot practice the, what, uh, uh, uh 20:28 , what, the practicum in 20:30 but it is imaginable. 20:32 Yes, it is imaginable, right. 20:34 So per layer. Now, then to create, uh, 20:38 speed for it to process decomposition 20:41 or the fermentation process in the soil 20:44 , then local microorganisms are watered 20:47 from the top. 20:49 What are the ingredients of these local 20:51 microorganisms that make it 20:53 revolutionary so that in 1x24 hours the 20:55 waste, uh, can be used immediately as 20:57 planting media. Of course, the basic 20:59 ingredient is honey. 21:00 Oh, not sugar. That 21:02 honey and 21:03 Yes. Yes, so this is what finally, uh, 21:07 we have indeed, uh, made a guinea pig 21:11 model. So, every fermentation always 21:14 uses sugar, right. 21:15 H 21:16 sugar. Now, sugar is actually indeed 21:18 for a fermentation tool, but it has 21:19 limits. Limits like an expiration date. 21:22 Now, when those limits, uh, if it 21:25 exceeds the limit, then the bacteria 21:27 that work are pathogenic bacteria. 21:30 Hm. Now, these pathogenic bacteria do 21:32 not function as nutrients in the soil. 21:35 They will instead damage 21:37 damage everything that is in the soil 21:40 and in the plants. 21:43 Now, but if it is honey that is mixed 21:45 in, like when we make eco-enzymes, 21:46 right, like honey. Well, honey, by 21:50 Allah's command, is ordained only for 21:53 human health. So, anything that comes 21:55 into contact with real honey, 21:57 God willing, everything will be healthy 21:59 . Whether it's soil, 22:01 whether it's waste that was previously 22:02 toxic, or anything else. Now, this 22:04 process has its own class. Later we can 22:08 practice it in certain events where I 22:10 am invited; please, the viewers are 22:13 welcome to participate. So, we are 22:17 actually learning how to make 22:18 probiotics, not eco-enzymes, but 22:19 probiotics. So, transforming 22:22 pathogenic bacteria—the bad bacteria 22:24 —into non-pathogenic bacteria, into 22:26 new bacteria. Now, all this time, we 22:30 have been constrained by, "Ah, forget 22:32 it, just use this product," though I 22:35 shouldn't mention the product, I'm not 22:38 allowed to. 22:39 This is a live broadcast. 22:42 Wait, the one who mentioned it wasn't 22:43 me, right? 22:43 It's okay, it's okay, just mention it 22:45 so it's clear. 22:47 Yes, because it uses sugar, and if it's 22:49 sugar, the final product, once 22:50 fermented, becomes alcohol. 22:54 Once it becomes alcohol, let alone the 22:56 soil, sir—our bodies reject it. If we 23:00 have too much sugar, you know how 23:02 cancer forms, how degenerative diseases 23:04 form; even those with internal diseases 23:07 or cancer are not allowed to eat or 23:09 drink sugar. 23:11 Hm. 23:12 What about our soil that has been 23:14 infected with what you mentioned 23:16 earlier? There are many viruses that 23:18 cannot be handled, sir, in our soil, 23:20 and it is confusing the farmers now. 23:22 Never mind chili, sir; now even bananas 23:24 are getting viruses, sir. And papaya, 23:26 too, sir. 23:27 Hm. Masha'Allah. 23:28 Masha'Allah, in the old days, there was 23:30 never any such thing as papaya getting 23:33 a virus or bananas getting a virus, sir 23:35 . So it is mentioned in Surah 56, "I 23:39 have nurtured, I have created this 23:41 universe." Allah said, "I have nurtured 23:45 this universe.""Humans, please take 23:47 care of it," He said. Now, if this has 23:51 been issued as a command, then it is 23:54 our obligation to protect Allah's 23:56 creation. But what is the reality? We 24:01 dispose of our waste as we please, and 24:04 the waste isn't processed but instead 24:06 passed on to a third party, the 24:08 government. It's a pity, sir, it's a 24:10 burden on the government, actually. 24:12 Yes. Now, how can we use this study to 24:15 resolve waste at the household level? 24:18 Because waste is our product, not the 24:20 government's product. It is our product 24:23 that we produce daily, and it actually 24:24 burdens the earth, right? 24:26 He. 24:27 How can we honor nature and glorify 24:29 Allah's creation by processing waste, 24:31 turning it into planting media, turning 24:34 it into superior agricultural products 24:36 to be enjoyed together? Secondly, can 24:39 waste be used to become animal feed or 24:42 human food? It's possible. There is a 24:44 way to do it, Sir. So, starting today, 24:48 through not just a campaign, but 24:50 through the RWC Indonesia movement. I 24:54 am conducting studies, briefings, and 24:57 training on how to manage kitchen waste 24:59 into planting medium within 24 hours. 25:03 Oh, 25:04 many have succeeded in harvesting chili 25:07 , pakcoy, and other vegetables. 25:09 Mashallah. Mashallah. And they are 25:13 happy because what they produce is 25:14 organic. 25:15 Now, if it's organic, it's healthy to 25:17 eat, Sir. 25:17 Yes. 25:18 Sometimes we don't even know, Sir. 25:20 Whether the vegetables we buy at the 25:23 market are exposed to pesticides or not 25:25 , we don't know. 25:26 Yes. 25:28 Correct. No. 25:29 I 25:29 are exposed to chemicals, we don't know 25:31 . Eventually, many people today are, 25:33 forgive me, 25:34 suffering from autoimmune diseases. 25:36 Besides autoimmune, they get diabetes. 25:40 Yes. 25:40 Now, this autoimmune diabetes is 25:42 claimed by people to be a hereditary 25:44 disease. Well, it's actually not 25:47 hereditary. This is about residue 25:49 levels and pollution levels. Pollution 25:53 isn't just air, water, or soil that we 25:56 cause. Yes, 25:58 so we must set it straight, Sir. Let's 26:00 set it straight now. Let's set it 26:01 straight. There is no such thing as 26:03 hereditary disease because Allah 26:05 created humans in the best form. Right, 26:07 right. Mashallah. 26:09 Mashallah. So, this paradigm must be 26:13 instilled in society systematically so 26:16 they don't believe in hereditary 26:19 diseases, or take pride in seedless 26:22 food, 26:24 or instant food. It must be returned to 26:27 its essence, that everything goes 26:29 through a process, like chickens that 26:30 take 4 months to harvest, not 1 month. 26:33 Fruits must have seeds. 26:36 Because if there are no seeds, what do 26:37 you plant them with? 26:38 Yes. 26:39 Furthermore, in agriculture, never use 26:42 chemical fertilizers or pesticides, 26:45 i 26:46 because residues will stick to our 26:47 bodies and settle in the kidneys. 26:49 The kidneys have to work harder, Sir. 26:54 Perhaps that is all for now. 26:55 Alright, a question has come in from a 26:57 listener. Okay, yes. The first question 27:00 is from Mr. Cokro. Assalamu'alaikum, 27:03 Prof. Sultan Deden Lesmana. Earlier you 27:06 said, Prof, that for fermentation, we 27:08 use honey, especially real honey. Now, 27:11 that's expensive. So, what is done with 27:14 the honey? Is it mixed with water and 27:16 sprayed, or mixed with something else? 27:18 What? Do you not need EM4 or how is it? 27:21 Is the method using only honey, or is 27:23 there something else for the 27:24 fermentation? That's from Mr. Cokro. 27:29 Please, go ahead. 27:29 Mashallah. 27:30 Thank you very much. This is the first 27:33 step; we must know what the formula is. 27:37 So, actually, honey mixed with fruit 27:40 and biological agents from the soil is 27:43 enough to create probiotics. Honey is 27:47 always expensive in our minds. Because 27:50 it's hard to get, Sir. 27:51 Yes. 27:53 But now, on many platforms, real honey 27:55 is sold that isn't expensive, it's 27:56 economical and cheap, Sir. We just have 28:00 to check the reviews of the seller. So, 28:05 in ee fermentation, in ee 1 liter of 28:10 water we use about 50 milliliters of 28:13 honey, sir. 28:15 Yes, 28:15 50 milliliters. Yes. If it's in 200 28:18 liters of water, we use 1 kilo of honey 28:21 . 28:21 Now, how much does honey cost? It 28:23 varies, sir. Yes, some are 50,000, some 28:25 are 70,000, 28:27 some are 100,000. It depends on the ee 28:29 bee species, it depends on the type of 28:31 honey produced. 28:32 Yes. 28:33 It's not that expensive. So actually, 28:36 in the process of making nutrients for 28:39 plants, nutrients for ee drinks, or 28:42 nutrients for soil, we must use 28:45 ingredients that shouldn't be made too 28:48 economically. Because it goes into the 28:51 body, sir. 28:51 Yes. 28:52 Now, honey has blessings, sir. The 28:55 blessing is that Allah conveyed it in 28:58 Surah 69, honey is for human health. So 29:02 if honey is indeed expensive, I am 29:04 currently campaigning ee a joint 29:06 movement for all farmers in Indonesia. 29:09 We are raising bees now 29:12 so that the honey isn't expensive. 29:14 If it's one spoonful of honey, how many 29:15 liters of water can it be mixed with? 29:18 1 spoonful of honey can do 1 liter, sir 29:20 . 29:20 1 liter, yes. Hm. Okay. 29:23 So the job of honey is that it actually 29:25 breaks down methane gas. 29:27 Okay. 29:27 Methane gas. It breaks down ammonia gas 29:30 . Okay, so Deden, feel free to eh share 29:34 , I'm interested in children's 29:36 education regarding ee organic waste 29:39 and perhaps you can tell the story of 29:41 your own child, how this organic waste 29:44 education to children succeeded, right. 29:48 Ee formed from an early age, for 29:50 example, sorting waste, making compost, 29:52 and learning responsibility. Maybe you 29:55 could share a little bit of personal 29:57 experience, ee how this education is 30:00 for children, as well as the success 30:02 story, Prof. 30:04 Mashallah tabarakallah. Yes. So my 30:07 child is studying at BINUS, right. 30:10 Indeed, the tuition is mashallah, one 30:13 semester reaches 15 to 20 million. 30:16 Mashallah. So 30:20 she applied to TB but wasn't accepted. 30:23 Only the major she requested. If not 30:25 that one, she wouldn't study, she said. 30:26 Heh. 30:27 Yes. I said, go ahead, but if anything 30:30 happens later, Dad can't help much. 30:32 H. 30:33 But actually, this child is named Zahra 30:35 , sir. 30:36 Yes. 30:37 But actually, she is going through a 30:39 process of how not to burden her 30:41 parents. So every night she goes to 30:44 culinary places to work. Culinary 30:48 places close at 11:00 or 10:00, they 30:50 are already closed in Cirebon. Heh. 30:52 She takes the leftover fried rice, 30:54 leftover martabak. 30:56 Yes. 30:57 Meatballs, and others. She mixes them 30:59 with soil, mixes them with, then puts 31:01 them into gallons. 31:02 Yes. 31:03 I thought it was just 100 gallons. It 31:06 turns out it's up to 5,000 gallons now. 31:08 Wow, that means a lot of land then. 31:11 Mashallah. So she entrusts those many 31:13 gallons to the neighborhood heads. H. 31:17 A sharia economic cooperation, working 31:19 together. 31:19 Mashallah. Extraordinary. 31:22 So if one gallon is harvested, it's 31:23 tiring, Yes. If one gallon yields 1 31:25 kilo of chili. Now, if you have 5,000 31:27 gallons, what is the harvest? 31:28 Hmm. 31:28 5 tons. 31:32 Okay. 31:32 So, the chili yield is 1 kilo, sir. In 31:35 150 days. 31:36 Yes. 31:37 Each harvest isn't 1 kilo, it's 200 31:39 grams. 200 grams. If you harvest 10 31:41 times, it's over 1 kilo, sir. Yes. 31:45 Now, if you have those gallons, that 31:46 means 5 tons times the price of chilies 31:48 . Let's assume the cheapest chili is 30 31:51 . 31:52 That means 150 million. I'm amazed my 31:55 child is graduating soon. I never paid 31:57 to help my child with college. I only 31:58 helped by giving money that one time. 32:00 Mashallah, that is extraordinary. 32:01 Now, they are graduating, sir. 32:02 Graduated and finished their thesis and 32:04 said they already have a house from the 32:05 gallons. 32:06 From these waste gallons. 32:08 Growing chili in there, right? 32:10 Yes. So what they planted was the 32:12 beauty chili, you know. Which chili? 32:14 The one for spicy stir-fry, the big one 32:16 . That is just one type, and the market 32:18 price isn't as high as bird's eye or 32:20 super hot chilies, right? 32:22 Around 30. 32:23 150 days for the harvest, right? 32:26 Yes, 150 days. Correct. 32:27 Doc. Here is another question from Mr. 32:30 Dirga, Doc. Eh, Prof, how—Doc, let me 32:33 say Prof—how do you ferment so the 32:35 fermentation doesn't smell and bother 32:36 the neighbors? 32:40 Right? So, actually, if you want it to 32:46 be a bit better, add an element from a 32:51 cow's body, sir. 32:54 From what? 32:55 That is cow rumen. Cow rumen. 32:57 Cow rumen. 32:58 Yes. Rumen, right? Cow rumen. Cow rumen 33:03 . So, that will ensure within half an 33:06 hour the waste won't smell and there 33:09 won't be any flies, sir. 33:11 Hm. 33:12 Why cow rumen, sir? 33:13 Is the cow rumen cow dung? What is the 33:15 rumen anyway? 33:16 The rumen is not cow dung. The rumen is 33:18 in the front, dung is in the back. 33:20 Oh. 33:22 So when a cow eats, it stores it 33:23 instead of putting it into the 33:25 digestive system, sir. It stores it in 33:26 its pouch first, sir. Oh, 33:29 yes. Then after being stored in the 33:31 front pouch, it brings it back up, sir. 33:33 Brings it back up. Put back into what 33:36 pouch? Into the stomach. So this is 33:38 interesting, sir. Why is there a Surah 33:41 Al-Baqarah in the Quran, sir? That is a 33:43 female cow, right? 33:44 Yes. 33:44 It turns out there is a mystery there, 33:46 sir. The mystery is that whatever is 33:49 affected by the study of Al-Baqarah 33:51 verse 73, whatever it is, it will be 33:54 broken down, sir. And that thing can do 33:59 good. Because it is explained that when 34:03 Prophet Musa was challenged by the 34:04 Israelites to bring the dead back to 34:06 life, then Prophet Musa prayed to Allah 34:07 , "Oh Allah, how do I bring the dead 34:09 back to life?" Like that. Allah gave a 34:11 direct instruction, "Slaughter a cow 34:14 that is fresh, that is yellow, strike 34:17 it with the cow's meat." 34:19 Insya Allah, the corpse will wake up. 34:21 And this body reconstruction process is 34:23 actually a process of forming new cells 34:25 called stem cells. 34:28 Hm. 34:28 The so-called cells change from 34:30 pathogens into non-pathogens. 34:31 Pathogenic, bad bacteria become good 34:34 bacteria. 34:35 Automatically, once they become good 34:37 bacteria, they will decompose the gases 34:39 present. This scientific relationship 34:42 is called ecology, sir. If combined 34:44 with current scientific laws, it won't 34:46 connect. Because current science sees 34:50 waste as disgusting, full of bacteria, 34:53 and it has to go through very long 34:55 processes. The decomposition process 34:58 alone can take us 3 months, sir. 35:01 Yes. 35:02 Yes. So, 35:04 when God spoke to Prophet Moses, there 35:06 was no time count involved, sir. The 35:09 corpse was struck and it rose to 35:12 identify the killer. H. 35:16 Now, in the study I researched, it 35:17 turns out, mashallah sir, the waste 35:19 becomes odorless. The lack of odor is 35:23 because the methane gas is decomposed. 35:25 Hm. Okay. 35:26 Now, why does waste emit methane gas? 35:29 That is the waste's way of warning 35:31 humans. Oh humans, please dignify me. 35:34 And so it becomes smelly, right? But if 35:36 we know about waste and just stay 35:38 silent, then we are the ones at fault. 35:40 Actually, the way waste communicates 35:42 with us is by emitting a smell. 35:44 Oh, I see. Okay. Okay. Someone is 35:50 asking, "Doc, can the leachate be 35:52 utilized for liquid organic fertilizer? 35:55 " 35:58 Now, this is interesting. Liquid 36:00 organic fertilizer can be utilized 36:02 directly, sorry, the leachate can be 36:04 directly turned into liquid organic 36:07 fertilizer by mixing the aforementioned 36:09 probiotic fermentation into the 36:12 leachate. 36:13 How long is the process? 1*24 hours, it 36:16 is left to sit overnight. 36:18 Yeah. 36:19 It can indeed happen, mashallah, that 36:21 water comes out of this waste. And this 36:24 leachate is for fertilizer. For 36:27 fertilizer. Okay. But it's mixed with 36:32 water first, right? 36:34 Uh, no, just add probiotics to the 36:36 leachate. 36:37 H 36:40 what are the probiotics taken from? 36:43 The honey mixture mentioned earlier. 36:44 Honey, cow rumen, and fruits. 36:46 Oh, honey and cow rumen, right. Okay. 36:52 Yeah. 36:52 So someone is asking, what is the 36:54 composition? Sure, sure. Go ahead. 36:58 Prof, uh I want to ask, where can we 37:00 get cow rumen? Is it at a meat shop or 37:02 how, Prof? 37:05 If we make it ourselves, it's a bit 37:07 complicated because we have to go to 37:09 the slaughterhouse. 37:11 But if you want, I can make it later. I 37:14 will make it and later I can leave it 37:15 at 37:17 R. Rasil. 37:19 Wow, Rasil. Masyaallah. 37:20 Radio Rasil. Uh okay. 37:23 Uh Prof, how do we make this organic 37:26 waste management a social movement, not 37:30 just a temporary project? So how do we 37:34 make it a culture, Prof? Maybe from 37:39 seminars and others, Prof. Is there any 37:42 movement so that the effect, which is 37:46 very good, can have a national impact, 37:49 Prof? In my opinion 37:52 experiences, yeah. 37:54 Yes, in my experience, activities must 37:56 have economic value—they must turn 37:57 into money. 37:59 Yeah. Yeah. 38:00 If it turns into money, anyone will be 38:02 keen to pursue it. 38:04 H. 38:05 Don't just campaign about throwing away 38:07 trash or sorting it if there’s no 38:08 money in it; people won't follow. 38:10 Yes. Yes. Right, Masha'Allah. Exactly, 38:14 Prof. 38:15 Uh, Prof, this is very true. 38:17 Yes. If I am called by the government 38:20 now for a campaign, the main point is 38:23 to make trash into money—convert it 38:25 into planting media, grow chilies, and 38:28 it will generate money. Eventually, the 38:31 trash will be gone if it becomes money. 38:35 True, so true. 38:37 That's it. What I convey is how trash 38:41 becomes money—I don't mean selling 38:43 the raw trash, but processing it into 38:45 planting media or animal feed products. 38:49 And especially used bottles, they can 38:52 be shredded into plastic pellets, right 38:54 ? 38:55 Hmm. 38:56 How do we start, Prof? And about that 38:58 24 hours earlier, why must it be 24 39:00 hours, Prof? I mean, how does a family 39:04 start if they don't have much land? 39:10 Maybe just some plants, right? 39:12 There’s a little bit, right? How can 39:15 it become an economic value? Where do 39:16 we start? From food or what, Prof? 39:22 The fastest way is at home. Even if a 39:27 house lacks farmland, you can use the 39:29 front, the back, the rooftop, or even 39:32 the roadside. Plant vegetables with a 39:36 30-day harvest cycle. H. 39:38 H. 39:40 30 days. So, if you grow vegetables, uh 39:44 , what is it? You don't need to be 39:47 extremely knowledgeable to do it. 39:50 Growing vegetables doesn't require a 39:51 high level of expertise. 39:53 Do you have to water them diligently 39:55 every day, or how? 39:56 Uh, there are techniques for that. If 39:58 you have many containers, you can use 40:01 solar energy for drip irrigation. But 40:03 if you only have 10 to 100, you can 40:05 just water them normally. 40:07 And watering, we have a schedule: after 40:10 the Subuh prayer and after the Isha 40:12 prayer. So when...extraordinary. 40:17 Masha'Allah. 40:18 So the secret to watering plants is to 40:20 do it after the Subuh prayer and... 40:24 after the Subuh prayer, they are about 40:26 to start the photosynthesis process. So 40:30 , their bodies need to be refreshed 40:31 first. Because we believe that plants 40:33 are creatures of Allah. They have a 40:37 life, they glorify Him, and they 40:39 perform dhikr. When watered, 40:42 they surely say 'Alhamdulillah' because 40:45 they feel refreshed. But if you water 40:48 them at 10 AM, it's at the hottest 40:49 point of the day, sir. They are in the 40:51 middle of working, it's a pity, you 40:53 know. They might end up stunted. Now, 40:55 why must it be at night? 40:58 Why must they be watered after the Isha 40:59 prayer? Because they are about to 41:02 undergo metabolic processes and cell 41:05 regeneration, just like our bodies. 41:08 Allah created the cycle of day and 41:10 night as the science for cell 41:12 regeneration. That's why at night, 41:15 don't just hang out and drink coffee; 41:17 sleep so your cells can regenerate. Yes 41:21 , yes, yes. 41:21 Usually, in the cell regeneration 41:23 process, we should take a shower 41:24 beforehand, by 8:00 PM at the latest, 41:26 take a shower by 8:00 PM. If you take a 41:28 shower, our body feels fresh. Okay, 41:30 this is 41:33 from Mr. Aang. Peace be upon you, Prof. 41:37 So what is the formula for cow rumen 41:38 fluid plus honey plus fruit, and how 41:40 many days for fermentation? Which 41:42 fruits are the most effective, Prof? 41:45 From Mr. Angka. 41:47 The fruits that are in paradise are 41:51 better. Watermelon, figs 41:56 like that, right? Then papaya. Choose 42:00 one of the bananas. H. 42:04 Then the composition is, in 1 liter of 42:07 honey, you may use 50 milliliters 42:10 maximum. 42:12 1 kilo of fruits, 1 kilo of bananas, 1 42:15 kilo of pineapple, or other fruits like 42:18 watermelon or 1 kilo of papaya, mixed 42:21 together. Then add just one spoonful of 42:24 cow rumen fluid. 42:26 Yeah. 42:27 One spoonful. Let it sit for up to 15 42:30 days. 42:31 Then what about the other leaves? The 42:33 waste 42:35 that's to make the liquid. That's to 42:37 make the liquid. 42:38 Hmm. Okay. 42:39 Making the liquid. If it's the other 42:41 waste I mentioned earlier, 42:42 how about the brown waste? 42:45 How 42:45 the brown waste like dry leaves. The 42:48 leaves that 42:48 Oh, those dry leaves, just pile them up 42:50 , sir, in the gallon container I 42:52 mentioned earlier. In the gallon. 42:56 Okay, 42:57 Prof. earlier you mentioned 43:00 that the gallon is covered with dry 43:02 leaves, covered with soil, and sprayed 43:04 with the probiotic. 43:06 H 43:07 h. So, Prof. earlier you explained the 43:09 relationship between health, the 43:12 environment, and food, right? There is 43:14 a circular economy. Now, we actually 43:17 don't really know the current 43:19 relationship between food, soil, and 43:23 health. Sometimes we eat out. People 43:27 are looking for profit, not thinking 43:29 about our health, right? There are many 43:31 unhealthy factors, they look for cheap 43:34 options, right? We don't even know what 43:36 was used to grow it, how the meat was 43:39 processed, and so on. Now, when it 43:42 enters the body, how does it neutralize 43:45 the bad bacteria or pathogens and so on 43:48 ? Because we don't know how they manage 43:51 their soil. And especially now, using 43:55 oil, for example, the oil is also oil 43:57 that has been what do you call it, 43:59 reprocessed, right? Used oil can be 44:02 made clear again. That is extraordinary 44:04 . So, in my opinion, our bodies become 44:07 a trash can, a waste processing site. 44:12 Because, so our bodies, I feel pity for 44:14 them. That's why there are strange 44:16 diseases, all because of food, right? 44:19 Maybe in the mountains, in villages, in 44:21 rural areas, they are still healthy and 44:23 live long lives, right? Even yesterday, 44:26 my younger sibling told me there is 44:28 someone in Yemen who is 170 years old, 44:29 Prof. They can still drive, right? I 44:32 said, "Wow, how? In the morning they 44:34 drink honey, honey water, what is it 44:37 called? Eating dates, right?" That's 44:39 true. So, Prof, how do you suggest we 44:42 deal with living in an environment like 44:44 this? And what about when we eat 44:47 outside? And how do we neutralize a 44:49 body that’s been exposed to toxins so 44:51 often, Prof? 44:53 Masyaallah. Well, it is explained in 44:55 Surah Al-A'raf verse 58 that from good 45:00 soil, Allah says, good people will come 45:03 . And conversely, from bad soil, people 45:07 will be unhealthy. Allah mentions this 45:11 repeatedly in that chapter. Then this 45:15 verse serves as the basis that our 45:18 bodies are formed from the essence of 45:20 soil, in Surah Al-Mu'minun verse 12. So 45:24 , everything is connected. It means 45:26 it's like this. All this time, farmers 45:29 haven't thought about who will be 45:31 eating their harvest. So they use 45:34 chemicals just as they please. One 45:38 hectare of rice fields can use 700 45:39 kilograms of chemical fertilizer. The 45:42 recommended amount is only 100 45:43 kilograms, sir. Actually, 45:44 it's the soil that suffers. 45:47 Masyaallah. I was recently in West 45:48 Sumatra, and I asked the farmers there, 45:50 "How much do you use, sir?""Almost 45:52 1,000 kilograms, sir." For one hectare. 45:53 NPK or what kind? 45:55 NPK, all combined. Now, the excess 46:00 chemical residue, the plants actually 46:03 tell Allah, they complain, "Oh Allah, I 46:06 am so burdened. When I'm harvested, I 46:10 will be eaten by humans. I feel sorry 46:12 for humans, O Allah." Instead of 46:15 destroying the universe, the plant 46:18 stores the residue in the rice, sir, 46:21 and it gets eaten by humans. And that's 46:26 why people blame rice for diabetes; 46:29 it's not the rice itself, but the 46:32 residues the plants deposited into the 46:35 grain. 46:38 Back then, our farmers could drink a 46:40 whole pot of sweetened water and never 46:43 get diabetes. 46:44 Hm. 46:46 Because they still used animal manure 46:47 in the fields, right? Now, it's 46:49 replaced, and rice is blamed. 46:52 O Allah. Oh. Energy, sir, 46:56 that Allah gives us. 46:58 So this is what we call eco-theology. 47:00 How to unite culture, religion, and 47:03 technology. So we educate our farmers 47:07 not to use excessive chemical 47:09 fertilizers. At most, half a quintal is 47:11 enough. Because if it's excessive, the 47:14 soil loses its fertility. Not just 47:17 loses, the soil is destroyed, sir. The 47:18 soil becomes hard. Hm. 47:20 Then floods, landslides, and earth 47:22 fissures occur, right? Actually, after 47:26 many years, it is mentioned in Surah 47:28 Al-Anbiya verse 30. "I once created the 47:32 universe as one," the heavens and earth 47:36 , says Allah. "Then I separated them," 47:38 Allah says; that separation is a 47:39 disaster. Now, water is everything; in 47:43 verse 30, water's function is to reset 47:45 nature. So when a flood happens, we 47:48 shouldn't ask, "Oh Allah, why is there 47:50 a flood?" but say, "Alhamdulillah, O 47:52 Allah, You are resetting this nature to 47:54 become fertile again." 47:55 Masyaallah. 47:57 Masyaallah tabarakallah. So, how should 48:00 we actually approach this? We must 48:02 honor the soil, we must honor the 48:04 rivers, we must honor the air. God 48:07 willing, all creatures in this universe 48:09 will be noble and healthy. Take New 48:12 Zealand for example, there's no mining, 48:14 everything comes from agriculture. The 48:18 society is healthy, the economy is, 48:20 thank God, prosperous. 48:23 There is no unemployment, and the air 48:26 is fresh. You can go anywhere without 48:28 theft, there are no social problems. If 48:30 in this country there is a lot of 48:33 mining and a lot of waste, it reflects 48:35 that our people have started destroying 48:37 nature and are never grateful for God's 48:40 blessings. So, it means if we want our 48:44 bodies to be healthy, we must honor the 48:47 soil. 48:47 Okay. Uh, Prof. How can soil that has 48:51 already been affected by chemical 48:54 fertilizers be restored to natural soil 48:57 ? Can it be brought back? 49:01 Let's go back to Surah Al-A'raf verse 49:03 58. Good soil leads to good humans. So, 49:09 how long is the process of forming good 49:13 soil? 24 hours. 49:17 It doesn't take decades. How is it done 49:21 ? There is a study in Surah Al-Baqarah 49:23 verse 73 earlier about the process of 49:25 reviving the dead. About the process of 49:27 restoration. When the dead were revived 49:31 by a part of a cow's body, the soil 49:35 must use cow manure. Do not use chicken 49:40 , do not use others. Why do you think? 49:43 It is the fastest process, Sir. 49:45 Hm. 49:45 It's just not possible, Sir. We want to 49:48 plant, and we leave it for 3 months, 49:49 you know. We'd be finished first, Sir. 49:51 Us. So if we apply cow manure to the 49:54 soil, tomorrow it's ready to be planted 49:56 , Sir. But it will die, Sir. Cow manure 49:59 is hot, Sir. As I mentioned earlier, 50:01 there is a liquid called probiotics 50:03 that contains honey and other things. 50:06 God willing, I have already carried out 50:08 that process at Albahjah, Cirebon. 50:12 So the plants are grown using cow 50:14 manure and probiotics as the growing 50:16 medium. We process it this evening, and 50:18 by tomorrow evening, we can plant. 50:20 MasyaAllah. So just once, if you want 50:22 to have a study session, you can join 50:25 the sessions later via Rasil TV or 50:27 Rasil radio, every week or every month 50:29 we will fill these studies slowly, 50:31 because we can't possibly cover this in 50:34 one go. 50:35 Okay. Very well. Next is from Mr. 50:37 Kastam. Prof., earlier you mentioned 50:40 the issue of papaya and bananas being 50:42 hit by viruses in my hometown, Banjar 50:44 Harja, Brebes, not far from the city of 50:47 Cirebon. It's not just them, those hit 50:49 by the virus include mangoes and 50:51 avocados too. How is this, Prof? How to 50:53 prevent it, from Mr. Kastam in Pondok 50:56 Aren. 50:56 Yes. Returning again to Surah Al-A'raf 50:59 58. Good soil, good humans, good plants 51:03 . Where do those viruses come from? 51:05 That is a fusarium virus, Sir. From our 51:09 soil which is infected by excessive 51:12 chemical fertilizers. Then there is a 51:16 sugar element that produces methanol, 51:19 produces alcohol which is stored by 51:21 them and will be channeled when there 51:24 are plants later. In the old days, Sir, 51:28 we didn't have things like papaya virus 51:29 . 51:31 Only now, Sir, the virus attacks with 51:33 yellowing leaf tips, if I'm not 51:35 mistaken. How do we reverse it? Make 51:39 the planting medium that I mentioned 51:41 earlier. Try it on the papayas later, 51:44 Sir. God willing, the papayas will 51:46 return to normal. Or you make that 51:48 liquid and spray it on what’s already 51:50 planted. You make the liquid I 51:52 mentioned. That liquid is an ecological 51:54 fluid, Sir. It reconnects the food 51:56 chain. The food chain will form again, 51:59 Sir. Down there, there are worms, there 52:00 are microbes, 52:01 hm 52:02 there are hormones. Then there are 52:06 bacteria that can kill the fusarium 52:09 elements, Sir. Trichoderma and others. 52:13 Okay. Prof, sorry, someone is asking 52:17 for the phone number of Prof. Sultan 52:20 Deden Lesmana. May I know or may I 52:25 what is it 52:26 or should I go through Rasil? 52:28 E, Rasil. 52:30 Whose number does Rasil want? The 52:32 Professor's number. Prof. Sultan Deden 52:35 Lesmana's number. Someone is asking, 52:36 can this be shared? 52:37 Yes, it can. 52:38 Go ahead. 52:41 Yes. You can also go through Rasil, Mr. 52:43 Krisna. 52:43 Through Rasil. Okay. So just through 52:46 Rasil. 52:47 Just through Rasil, Sir. 52:49 Okay. Alright. 52:50 Maybe they're worried about being 52:51 uncomfortable. 52:52 Prof, when will there be training like 52:54 this? It is very interesting and 52:56 challenges things as they are now. 53:00 Mashallah. 53:00 That's right. Yeah. 53:02 Mashallah. God willing, I will work 53:04 with Rasil later. God willing, we will 53:06 hold a study session every week. 53:07 Wow. On Zoom? On Zoom is fine. If 53:11 there’s a fan meetup later, that’s 53:12 fine too. Like where we mentioned 53:14 earlier? In Banjarnegara, for example. 53:16 We can visit there sometime. As long as 53:17 the farmers are gathered there. We’ll 53:19 just go there. 53:21 Hmm. Okay. Okay. Here’s someone 53:24 asking, what about raising fish? 53:25 What’s the best thing to feed them, 53:27 Prof? Fish food is actually not, sorry, 53:33 it's not waste water, not waste. Not, 53:38 uh, commercial feed brands. 53:43 Not concentrate. 53:45 Fish food is 53:46 plankton. 53:48 Oh, where do we get plankton from? 53:51 Plankton is created by the food chain 53:53 we make using the probiotic liquid; 53:55 there is training for that, Sir. In 53:58 fact, it's better to use azolla and 54:00 sorghum now, Sir. 54:02 Oh, azolla and sorghum, I see. H 54:04 Yes. That can be used for chickens, for 54:07 fish, and for other things as well. So 54:09 when the fish are healthy, the water 54:11 becomes healthy, Sir. 54:12 H 54:13 Because the waste doesn't contain as 54:15 many gases, Sir. 54:16 He. 54:16 There’s a lot of gas now under the 54:18 water, Sir, which causes problems. 54:20 Hm. 54:21 It causes problems. Eventually, the 54:23 fish end up dying, Sir. And the taste 54:25 isn't good. 54:25 Hm. Let me ask, Doc. Prof, is what you 54:30 explained earlier already known by our 54:32 friends at IPB? 54:37 BB. What is BB? 54:39 IPB. IPB. Is what you just explained 54:41 already known by our friends at IPB? 54:45 Why does it have to be at IPB? 54:47 Those who go there for agriculture. 54:50 Why must it be IPB? There are many 54:52 others. For instance, in the Purwokerto 54:54 area, what is there? Undip, right? Yeah 54:58 . 54:59 So, for now, our benchmark is always 55:01 IPB, Bogor Agricultural University, sir 55:04 . Yes. 55:05 Yes. 55:06 I want to empower the regions, sir. For 55:08 example, in Banjarnegara, find a 55:10 university there, and we conduct 55:13 studies there. Our studies will be 55:16 recognized by international research 55:19 journals, not just IPB, sir. Everyone, 55:23 sir, yes. If Indonesian agriculture 55:27 were good, then sorry, that means 55:29 what's running is already good. But in 55:33 reality, for almost 50 years, Indonesia 55:34 hasn't achieved much, sir. 55:36 H 55:36 Honestly, after President Prabowo's era 55:39 , the push for food self-sufficiency 55:41 has been aggressive. What about before? 55:44 Hm. Yeah. 55:45 Lacking fertilizer, soil issues, lack 55:47 of water. So that means...the 55:51 consultants graduating from agriculture 55:54 , where do they go? 55:55 Hm. Okay. 55:57 Where do our agriculturalists go? We 56:00 are an agrarian country, sir. We should 56:03 be a global food contributor, but 56:04 instead, we are just agrarian, sir. If 56:07 there is a drought, it rains once every 56:08 6 months. 56:09 How about Europe? 56:10 Once every 4 months. How about the 56:12 Soviet [Union], sir? 56:13 Hm. The daylight can last a year like 56:15 that. 56:16 Yes. I 56:17 we should be ashamed of this. We should 56:18 be ashamed. That's why I say, why must 56:20 the reference point always be IPB? 56:23 Can't farmers conduct research journals 56:26 ? They can. With whom? With farmer 56:29 groups, cooperatives, and local 56:30 businesses there. Do it yourself. Don't 56:35 have reference points that end up 56:37 making things complicated and expensive 56:39 . Inviting everyone and everything. 56:41 Yeah. Okay, 56:42 that's it. Regardless, with this in 56:44 place, just keep moving. Later, only 56:47 God knows about the health, the soil 56:51 quality, and so on, right? What's the 56:55 benchmark? The measuring tool. The 56:56 measuring tool is to collaborate with 56:58 universities located right there, sir. 57:01 There is no agriculture, sir. They can 57:03 be connected and collaborate, you know. 57:05 So it's not too far. Our benchmarks are 57:09 too far, and in the end, nothing gets 57:10 done. Hm. 57:12 Where do you benchmark or compare? If 57:15 you're from West Java, like Wonosobo, 57:17 there's UNPAD in West Java. 57:19 Why look so far? 57:21 In East Java, why come here? There are 57:23 plenty of good ones there, like 57:25 Brawijaya, right? 57:26 Okay. Wow, extraordinary Prof, sir, and 57:32 Coach Sus, there are so many questions 57:35 coming in, but we are limited by time. 57:38 My apologies. Uh 57:40 Could you provide the Rasil contact, 57:42 Mr. Krishna, please state the Rasil 57:43 contact again. 57:45 Oh yes, for Coach Husya, please write 57:48 down this phone number. 0823 done. Then 57:54 1000213 0823 10000 213. If anyone was 58:03 asking for Prof. Sultan Deden Lesmana's 58:06 phone number, you can contact, uh, Bang 58:08 Habib or Coach Husaini at 0823 10.0213. 58:17 Prof, the session was extraordinary, 58:19 very beneficial, and truly out of the 58:21 box. 58:23 With honey 58:24 extraordinary. Especially when linked 58:26 to the verses of the Qur'an, it's 58:27 incredible. Thank you, Prof. Thank you, 58:30 Coach Husaini. We will see you again in 58:34 the next session. Krishna. 58:36 Thank you. I am Muhammad Krishna. Then 58:39 there is also Neza here, uh, Danya, 58:43 Caca, and Reva, also Algi. We bid you 58:46 farewell. Wabillahi taufik walhidayah. 58:48 Wasalamualaikum warahmatullahi 58:49 wabarakatuh. 
