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3:24 Ahlan wasahlan. 3:31 Bismillahirrahmanirrahim. Peace be upon 3:33 you warahmatullahi wabarakatuh. 3:35 >> Allahumma sholli ala sayyidina Muhammad 3:37 wa ala ali sayyidina Muhammad. 3:40 Alhamdulillah we meet again today, 3:43 Tuesday, the 8th of Jumadil Awal 1448 3:46 Hijriah or October 19, 2026. We meet 3:49 again in the Ahlan wasahlam event. 3:53 Ahlan wasahlan. Yes, here our crew, 3:56 namely Alfa Virza and Trianto who are 3:59 doing PKL. Then Ustaz Fahrur Rozi at 4:03 the operator table who supports this 4:05 event. We meet again in the Ahlan 4:08 wasahlan event. Ee we will take the 4:11 theme of the impact of fire on social 4:13 behavior. We invite back who is it? Ms. 4:21 Arustin Ilyas. Asalamualaikum, Mr. 4:24 Arstin. 4:25 >> Waalaikumsalam warahmatullahi 4:26 wabarakatuh. 4:28 >> Welcome back to Rasil. It's 4:29 >> so nice to meet you now. 4:31 >> Heeh. 4:32 >> Long time huh? 4:32 >> Long time we met. Do you know? Hey, my 4:36 wife loves cats. When she eats at a 4:39 restaurant, there's a cat that she 4:41 >> touches her feet. It seems like it was 4:43 touched this year. 4:45 >> Yeah, it's always like that, 4:46 >> these feet are the feet of a cat lover. 4:48 >> Well, that's also the case 4:50 >> when Mbak Rusin was in Mecca. The air 4:54 was tense, helping children under 4:56 bridges in Mecca, many people got lost 4:58 asking Mbak Rustin for help. Is that 5:01 right? That's absolutely 5:02 >> true. Besides, 5:04 >> people already knew that at first, 5:05 right? 5:06 >> Yes, and the ones who asked me for help 5:08 were mothers and grandmothers, not old 5:11 people. 5:12 >> Grandmothers, right, and those who 5:14 couldn't speak English couldn't speak 5:15 the language. 5:17 >> Oh, not a typical Indonesian, 5:18 >> not a Turkish person, or something like 5:21 that. So I always looked for someone 5:23 wearing a uniform, they would 5:25 definitely know that. I just handed it 5:29 over to them, but they still held my 5:31 hand. It was interesting. Interesting. 5:34 So I was thinking at that time, uh, me, 5:39 uh, we, uh, our group, uh, who was led? 5:44 Oh, the very famous Umar Sihab or Umar 5:48 Sihab, 5:49 >> Mr. Umar Sihap's younger brother. Oh 5:51 yes, he also said Quraisiab, yes, 5:53 that's right, at that time, then I was 5:56 told this, wow, I told him, he said 5:59 this, when I get home from here, my 6:01 mother will become a social worker, I'm 6:04 now the general chairman of the 6:06 community social workers, so 6:11 >> believe it or not, 6:13 >> all of that will happen. 6:14 >> Okay. By the way, there are a lot of 6:18 forest fires in Indonesia, right? 6:20 >> Heeh. 6:21 >> Where have you been with me? Actually, 6:23 we've experienced it in Jakarta, Mas. 6:26 >> Heeh. You know. But I have a friend in 6:29 Banjarmasin. Even though it's only 10 6:32 kilometers away, I don't see it anymore 6:35 . What's it like? 6:37 >> Like dew but it's hot, Sir. That's 6:39 right. 6:40 >> So he's really at home all the time. 6:43 >> Oh, he's scared. I'm just scared of one 6:46 thing. What? I'm afraid that the AC 6:47 will turn off. 6:48 >> Yes. Yes. It's 6:50 >> really hot. 6:51 >> Yes. My child is there in Palangkaraya. 6:54 In Central Kalimantan, that's Central 6:56 Kalimantan. 6:56 >> Yes. If I go out, if I work, I just 6:59 stay at home. I've been there with Kak 7:02 Seto before, they've been 7:03 >> breastfeeding and all sorts of things. 7:05 >> Right. Right. Right. And the sad thing 7:08 is the small children, many of whom 7:10 can't stand it. 7:12 >> Some have asthma and in the end, they 7:14 can't be helped. 7:16 >> Heeh. 7:17 >> How scary, scary, scary? What is it? I 7:20 can't, I can't, I can't really say 7:22 anything when I see the situation and 7:25 the story. Heh. 7:27 >> Almost everything there is dark. 7:31 >> Yes. 7:33 >> Yes. The prayer is that the electricity 7:35 doesn't go out. 7:36 >> The electricity goes out if the AC goes 7:38 out. 7:39 >> Right. Poor children are in trouble. 7:43 >> So what I'm thinking is, why are the 7:46 ones who are the victims? 7:51 >> And they are disappointed with the 7:52 governors. 7:53 >> Yes, right. Absolutely right. The 7:56 bigwigs are 7:57 >> traveling to Singapore. 7:58 >> Traveling to Singapore. I don't 8:01 understand whether their consciences 8:03 still exist when it's like that. The 8:06 people were really screaming there. 8:09 >> I said, why a demonstration? Never mind 8:11 a demonstration. I couldn't even 8:13 breathe. 8:16 >> If Mbak Ras were there, what would it 8:18 be like? What? If I were there, Sir, 8:23 maybe I would have gone straight to 8:24 where the bigwigs were. 8:27 >> I would have come myself, you know. 8:30 Because there was no other way, eh, 8:33 what had to be faced like that. 8:36 >> Hmm. Okay, we already have this 8:41 question. eh, when forest fires occur, 8:46 we often count how many hectares of 8:49 forest were burned. But do we also 8:53 count how many families lost their 8:54 income, how many children lost their 8:56 right to education, how many people 8:57 lost their sense of security? 9:01 >> Why hasn't this social impact 9:03 >> always received attention? From Ibu 9:08 Fatimah in Pesanggrahan, it should have 9:12 been what is it called, eh, what, eh, 9:15 what, if I say it's national, it should 9:19 be so that everyone focuses on it. 9:23 National floods, for example, like that 9:25 . This should have been nationalized. 9:28 >> Yes. 9:29 >> This, I apologize, I don't understand 9:32 what the President wants. H, 9:35 >> let's put it. It's not impossible that 9:39 he's the one who will work, but what is 9:43 it that he wants to talk about? Why 9:46 have I never seen him take it seriously 9:48 ? What is his attitude? There has to be 9:52 a focus first, what is it like, like 9:54 this, why not, why does it seem like he 9:57 thinks that it's just that, this, this 10:00 exhaust, or whatever, needs to be 10:02 invited there or left there for 2 weeks 10:05 like that. 10:06 >> So sometimes it's 10:08 >> painful. Especially now that there's 10:11 what's called social media and 10:13 television. People can see what the 10:16 >> president is doing, what his ministers 10:18 are doing, right? Well, now the 10:22 Minister of Forestry never says 10:24 anything that makes me look like an 10:27 idiot, you know, because I see that the 10:30 ones who suffer the most are the poor. 10:34 >> Hm. 10:35 >> The residents who live on the edges of 10:37 the forest, bro. You know. Their homes 10:39 are all gone, you know. 10:41 >> Not to mention the forest people. Poor 10:42 forest. 10:43 >> Poor animals are gone there. 10:45 >> Poor. 10:46 >> Even though that's the lifeblood of 10:48 Indonesia. Actually, that's one of them 10:54 . 10:54 >> And this is what I think, okay, we have 10:57 the right to be angry, we have the 11:00 right to be sad, but one thing we 11:03 really have to change is children's 11:06 education. So, kindergarten and 11:10 elementary school children should stop 11:13 dancing too much, immediately teach 11:16 them how to plant properly, what 11:19 fertilizers to use, that should be 11:22 taught. 11:24 >> This is my voice until it runs out. I'm 11:27 sad, why wasn't it taught like that? It 11:29 should be switched right away. H 11:32 >> should be taught to children, both boys 11:35 and girls. How to conserve water should 11:38 be made into a discussion. If your 11:41 water is only this much, how do you do 11:43 it? So that children start to think and 11:48 not just theory. Well, it's also 11:52 necessary to ask you whether you turn 11:53 the lights on or off when you sleep, 11:55 for example. That should be made a 11:58 habit, taught so that it becomes a 12:00 character, you know. So, educating 12:03 Indonesian children for the future. 12:07 Include this as a character, one of the 12:09 characters of Indonesian children. 12:11 Because we have, eh, how many? 17,000 12:16 islands with so many oceans. These 12:21 children need to know this from an 12:23 early age. Don't let them be able to 12:26 read on their own when they're older. 12:28 Not like that. They have to be trained. 12:31 >> They have to have pride in this nation. 12:33 >> Yes. Well, if they've never been 12:37 trained, they've never practiced in 12:39 simulations, how will they have a sense 12:42 of belonging? If it's just theories, 12:47 and I'm not sure if the teachers 12:49 understand that or not. Not all 12:53 children in big cities are like that, 12:54 Mas. 12:55 >> Heeh. 12:55 >> In remote areas, there are teachers too 12:57 . 12:58 >> People often, for example, if one 13:00 teacher is not included, who's the 13:02 religious teacher? They take the 13:05 gardener because they think he can 13:07 recite the Koran. Wow, that's very 13:10 common and it's not unusual. It's just 13:18 that our nation is permissive. Never 13:21 mind, it's 13:22 >> easy to forgive, right? 13:23 >> Yeah, like that. No one wants to fight 13:25 for the government, there's none. So 13:28 the government really doesn't have an 13:30 opposition. The ones who are hurt the 13:34 most are the poor, middle and lower 13:36 classes. 13:38 >> If they still have money, they can just 13:39 go to a hotel. Rather than being stuffy 13:43 there, they left their homes and went 13:44 to Singapore, 13:46 >> right? Even the bigwigs did it 13:48 >> with the excuse of seeking medical 13:49 treatment. 13:50 >> Right? So, things like this still need 13:53 to be incorporated into the nation's 13:54 character. One is caring. Caring. 14:00 Caring for animals, caring for the 14:02 environment, and especially caring for 14:04 humans. Yeah, that's it. And if it's 14:07 not practiced, it won't work, bro. 14:09 That's it. Simulate it. For example, if 14:16 there's a fire, make a piece of paper 14:19 and take the red one and put it inside, 14:22 >> yeah, that's it. For an earthquake, 14:24 there's a simulation 14:25 >> of hiding under the roof, what is that 14:27 training? Training. Not just once, if 14:30 the head of the department comes, they 14:32 show it off, and then they forget about 14:34 it. So, make all of those simulations 14:37 into the nation's character. In the 14:40 future, we've never made it into a 14:43 character. Even though we have so many 14:47 islands, such a vast ocean. And yet we 14:49 don't understand anything about it. We 14:52 only know it in pictures, we only know 14:54 it as theory, we only know it in 14:56 stories. Like that, bro. That's how it 15:01 is. It's like this now in Jakarta. I 15:04 was thinking, if in Jakarta, they were 15:06 taught things like that, right? Ancol 15:10 should be full of school shifts there. 15:13 >> H 15:15 >> No. 15:17 >> Because the entrance ticket is 15:18 expensive. 15:19 >> Yes. There are rules from what? From 15:22 the governor. If it's for education, it 15:25 has to be like that, right? If you 15:27 don't want to, then don't be governor, 15:28 right? It's just easy, right? There 15:32 must be rules and there must be a way. 15:37 >> H. Please, those who want to respond 15:39 about the forest fires, we'll wait for 15:41 >> the morning, already angry 15:42 >> 0811999720 from Mrs. Herlina. Which 15:50 community groups are most affected? 15:53 Indigenous communities, farmers, 15:55 elderly children, and urban communities 15:57 ? Ms. Restin? 16:00 >> Lower-middle class people. 16:02 >> Hm. 16:04 >> Because why? Because they can't go 16:06 anywhere. He. 16:08 >> If her house has been destroyed to dust 16:10 , she will probably go to her 16:13 relative's house who is not affected. 16:16 >> But how long can it last, right? 16:19 >> But how long? Well, that's definitely 16:21 lower-middle class. Whether he's a 16:24 cleric, whether he's a teacher, anyone 16:26 can be affected. Well, this is what we 16:30 have to include because so far there 16:32 hasn't been any for things like this. 16:35 Include it in the nation's character. 16:39 How to educate our children as early as 16:42 possible. 16:43 >> Hm. 16:44 >> To love the environment, animals, love 16:48 this air, and especially love fellow 16:51 human beings. fellow human beings of 16:54 God, you know. 16:56 >> Okay. From Mrs. Vivi, 16:59 >> education must change, Mas. 17:01 >> Heeh. How, ee Mbak Rostin, does the 17:05 haze from forest fires affect daily 17:07 activities? Children's education, work, 17:10 and social interactions? Yes, you've 17:12 already answered that. 17:13 >> Heeh. 17:14 >> With Mbak Rustin, right? Can forest 17:18 fires widen the social gap between the 17:20 wealthy and the poor? And why? 17:23 >> Oh yeah, it's definitely a 17:26 >> social gap, ee like this, ee people, if 17:30 ee those who are not capable, Mas, all 17:34 humans have good characters, some are 17:38 bad. Is he a corruptor in the upper 17:41 class there? Is he a gel, right? He's 17:45 also the head of the local Dharma 17:46 Wanita, the 17:48 >> governor's mother, you know, there's 17:50 his mother, they're destitute, this can 17:52 later suggest, eh, is there a 17:54 restaurant, what's this, let's collect 17:56 this for their meal, they can be like 17:58 that, right, 18:00 >> if the husband is sick, you know, the 18:01 husband is sick, but the governor is 18:03 like that, 18:03 >> he, 18:05 >> hopefully this will be an example, 18:07 because God doesn't always give good 18:10 examples, you know. There are also 18:13 those who are like this, we can't say, 18:15 right? Well, they think all the 18:17 high-ranking officials are good, you 18:18 know. Turns out they're not. Hmm. Okay. 18:24 Okay. From Mrs. Lulu. When the forest 18:27 burns, who actually suffers the most 18:30 and who benefits the most? Are there 18:32 those who benefit? 18:33 >> Oh yes, there are. 18:34 >> Who are those? 18:35 >> It's true that this was all going to be 18:37 cut down, right? 18:38 >> How many PTs were affected? H 18:41 >> PTPT is PTPT Indonesia. 18:44 >> H is a 18:44 >> big company. But they live in Singapore 18:47 . Since when have I been suspecting 18:51 something like that, but I thought, 18:53 there's no proof. It's just my opinion. 18:57 Eh, I didn't know yesterday it was on 18:58 TV in a wall magazine. Oh, it's true 19:00 that there's a thief. Okay. H 19:02 >> like that. 19:05 >> So it's pretending to be a Singaporean 19:06 company, huh? Huh no. He lives in 19:09 Singapore, you know. The office is also 19:11 in Singapore but it's owned by an 19:12 Indonesian too. 19:13 >> Yes. 19:14 >> Heeh. Isn't 19:16 >> that rude? 19:19 >> Oh my, why am I so angry? 19:22 >> Am I angry? I should be angry. I should 19:25 be angry. Someone asked for Ms. Rustin 19:27 Ilias's phone number. 19:29 >> Please write it down. 0812 88 8 4 times 19:38 then 11 45 0812 88 8 1145 Ms. Rustin 19:50 Ilyas ee Ms. Rustin, just tell me an 19:59 exciting story. Yes, about children on 20:02 the streets in Jakarta. 20:04 >> How are you now? Did you hear anything 20:07 about it? 20:08 >> If the 20:08 >> price increases for children, does it 20:10 have an impact, Ms. Rustin? 20:12 >> Huh? What kind of impact is this? Does 20:14 the 20:14 >> price increase have an impact on them? 20:18 >> Yes, what is that, Mr.? 20:20 >> The one who asked was Ms. Lestari. 20:22 >> Oh, yes, Ms. Lestari. Everywhere, if 20:25 prices increase, the whole country is 20:28 the victim. But of course, for the 20:31 middle and upper classes, it's not like 20:33 that. 20:35 >> Uh, for the children in Jakarta, thank 20:38 God, uh, now there are many fewer 20:40 street children. But here, but these 20:49 children are clever, you know. 20:52 >> Uh, the quality has increased. Uh, not 20:55 good, I mean, but the quantity has 20:57 decreased. Uh, 20:59 >> like that. Well, this is what we have 21:02 to approach. We can't just uh, theories 21:06 . So, what is this? Here's another 21:11 example. I'll repeat it. When uh, in 21:13 the Kuningan area, there was a little 21:16 child. This is a story, not because he 21:18 was bad or not. This is a portrait. So, 21:21 there was a child, or I passed there, 21:24 >> cleaning a car. He 21:25 >> was daubing the car while jumping up 21:27 and down like that. Because no no no no 21:29 , it didn't matter. 21:31 >> I saw, "Oh my God, this kid is 21:34 >> really dangerous if there's a car with 21:36 a green light like that." I opened the 21:39 window, I asked, "Hey, I said come here 21:41 , son." I said that. Then I didn't give 21:44 him candy. Hey, are you here alone, Mom 21:48 ? Who are you with, son? I said, "With 21:50 mom.""Where are you, Mom?""Noh?" He 21:52 said, pointing to his mom sitting under 21:55 the bridge in Ngadem, right? Oh, then I 21:58 said to my driver, his name happened to 22:00 be Mr. Kiman. Mr. Kiman was turning in 22:02 front of me, where are you going? I 22:04 want to meet that person. What are you 22:06 doing, Mom? Come on, take me there. 22:08 I've already met his mom. So I sat 22:11 under the bridge too. I asked, "Pu, is 22:14 that his daughter?""Yes, Neng." He said 22:17 that. "What's this? Hey, he said he got 22:20 quite a lot, right?"" 22:22 >> How could you be so cruel, Ma'am?" I 22:23 said. "He's still small. If something 22:26 happens on the road, this is a big road 22:29 . So what should I do, Mom? That's why 22:31 I'd have the heart to go home. He said 22:33 that. That's why I'm here. Why is that, 22:36 Miss? That's it. Yes. If a child that 22:40 small shouldn't be made to do work like 22:42 that, Mom. Come on, Miss, you know what 22:46 that is. Miss, what do you know? He 22:48 said that. We're different. If I didn't 22:51 love my child, I wouldn't be sitting 22:53 here. Heh. 22:54 >> So, Sir, there are classes in the 22:57 language of parental love for children. 23:00 >> Heeh. 23:01 >> What are the classes below that? And I 23:04 started working under the bridge in the 23:08 90s. 23:10 >> Those mothers used to wake their 23:12 children up with their feet and kick 23:14 them. Wake up and earn money like that. 23:20 And if she worked cleaning cars, it 23:22 wouldn't work. As for the mother, well, 23:24 if the mother 23:25 >> told me earlier, Miss, from 0:00 she 23:27 said that until 09:00 she didn't get 23:30 any work. nothing. He said that. 23:34 >> As soon as my child saw the cardboard 23:37 box, my driver was shaking his head. 23:41 But that's it. 23:42 >> People feel more sorry for their 23:44 children than their mothers. That's 23:46 right. 23:47 >> So that's who we are, that's our nation 23:49 . Educating them, not 23:52 >> just feeling sorry for them, but what's 23:54 the end result? I don't want to think 23:56 about them, right? Well, I encounter 24:00 things like this almost every day, and 24:03 uh, behaviors that don't change like 24:05 that. 24:09 >> Yes. In this book, there's a writing. 24:14 >> Yes. 24:14 >> In the book, God, why is prayer so 24:17 expensive? 24:19 >> Yes. That's right, what he 24:20 >> meant when 24:22 >> he wanted to pray. 24:23 >> Heeh. So at that time, the children of 24:25 the children from Keramat Jati had been 24:27 living in Pasar Minggu for a long time. 24:30 I thought I had taught them how to save 24:33 money, so I took them to the office, uh 24:35 , to the bank, to the bank, there were 24:38 banks there, there were market banks 24:40 like that. But because they were still 24:43 minors, they had to use their ID cards, 24:45 Mas, if that was the case. So I was the 24:47 one in charge. I even taught this, the 24:50 cashier, this, this, this. 24:52 >> Why haven't I taught them how to pray? 24:55 Let me start, okay? 24:57 >> Let's pray. That answer surprised me. 25:01 Why are you praying like someone who 25:03 has money? Why do you pray like someone 25:04 who has money? Well, 25:06 >> when we do ablution, we have to 25:09 >> pay. At 25:09 >> that time, we paid 50 perak, if I'm not 25:12 mistaken, 50 or 25, right? We paid 50, 25:18 yes, 50. Finally, oh my, I thought 50 25:22 times, how much is that, ma'am? He said 25:26 that, it's better to eat, is God really 25:28 thinking about us? It's really 25:31 >> unfortunate. I said that, I was 25:34 speechless because that was a very 25:37 pragmatic answer, 25:39 >> what we see is what he said, and yes, I 25:43 was still a bit stubborn. You can do 25:48 ablution at the mosque or the prayer 25:50 room, there are taps there. What, I 25:53 just entered and was thrown out, 25:54 thought I was trying to steal sandals. 25:58 >> Masyaallah. 25:59 >> So things that That's how it is for 26:01 poor people, bro. You know. We just 26:06 feel sorry for them, but only for a 26:08 moment. If it takes too long, the poor 26:11 person will be around us, and we'll get 26:13 annoyed, right? What's this for? I 26:16 already gave it to them. Well, that's 26:18 it. West. 26:20 >> Okay. I'm reading this book, God. Why 26:22 is prayer so expensive? He said that 26:25 when we decided to write a book about 26:27 Rustin Ilyas, many people asked," Who 26:29 is Rustin Ilyas? "" When asked a 26:33 similar question, we were silent and 26:35 thought it was a difficult question 26:37 because honestly, Rustin can be 26:39 described in many ways. In our eyes, 26:43 she is a mother and a friend who is a 26:46 humanitarian fighter, a mother to 26:48 children on the streets of Pasar Minggu 26:50 , in Tomang, in Bekasi, in Bojong, 26:53 Ciputat, and many other places. She is 26:55 also an activist who immediately comes 26:57 down from the mountain when she hears 26:59 about a disaster. So when asked who 27:02 Rustin Ilias is, we have to say that 27:05 Rustin Ilias's true figure cannot be 27:07 described in a few words. Yes, because 27:12 there are so 27:13 >> many, because he still doesn't have 27:15 much to do. Even though I was little, 27:18 it's 27:19 >> okay, ee, my environment wasn't like 27:21 that, you know. Meaning I've 27:24 >> almost never seen her, Mas. My mother 27:28 is an organizer. What was she from? The 27:32 leader of what? The leader of the 27:36 women's movement at that time. Then 27:41 when I was invited, I was usually taken 27:43 to an orphanage, like the Kartini 27:45 orphanage, or something for disabled 27:48 children. The orphanage 27:51 >> in Surabaya is on Jalan Pemuda, it's a 27:54 nice, big building. So The buildings 27:56 are like that, the old Dutch buildings 27:59 were nice. The disabled children were 28:01 like that on Jalan Siia too. Even the 28:03 ones guarding them were always 28:05 foreigners. 28:07 >> When I got older, it was like this, and 28:12 then I started to think that the Dutch 28:14 colonialists were good, teaching them 28:16 things like that, not letting them go. 28:20 So those who taught them said things 28:22 like that and so on and so forth. From 28:24 there, I learned that. Oh, disabled 28:27 people don't have a good time like this 28:28 . People who don't have mothers, not 28:30 having mothers is bad. Well, finally, I 28:33 continued when I was in high school and 28:36 started to become an activist. So, if I 28:41 , for example, found a child on the 28:44 street, I would try to take them to an 28:48 orphanage. Heeh. 28:51 >> Usually, the one that was easy to 28:53 accept at that time was Mrs. Nasution's 28:56 , in the mother's wing on Jalan 28:59 >> Radio Dalam. There were cute babies 29:02 there. But whose children I don't know. 29:05 So, 29:06 >> who financed those things? Well, 29:09 >> Mrs. Nasution was subsidized, right? 29:13 And she also had a lot of donors from 29:16 the Netherlands, from everywhere. Who 29:18 doesn't know Mr. Nasution, right? Well, 29:21 it was Mrs. Nas who was there 29:24 >> when she was in Surabaya, right? She 29:25 just lived on Jalan Majapahit, an elite 29:28 area, 29:29 >> number 31. 29:29 >> Yes. Behind Santa Maria School. 29:32 >> Oh yeah. There were 14 rooms, they say. 29:34 >> Yes. 29:35 >> Wow. 29:36 >> But at that time, it felt normal, bro. 29:39 My friends 'houses, or maybe because I 29:41 went to Santa Maria school. 29:42 >> Heeh. 29:43 >> Yes. Most of them were from the upper 29:45 middle class, right? 29:46 >> Well. Yes, there were 14. 29:49 >> Then there was the maid, Mbak Rusin, 29:51 what's her name? S 29:54 >> Mak Mi. 29:55 >> Mak Mbak Mi. 29:56 >> Makmi. Mak Miang? Yes. She was with me 30:02 for 40 years. 30:04 >> He. 30:05 >> Starting from me. Yes. Starting from 30:08 when I was 3 years old. Loyal, you know 30:10 . She used to be the maid of a Dutchman 30:13 who was our neighbor. 30:14 >> Oh. Oh. 30:15 >> Well, this Dutchman came home 30:17 >> and was taken by my mother. 30:20 >> So, what did Mak Mi do there? I 30:24 consider her a second mother. 30:27 >> My mother is a journalist. He. 30:30 >> So when my mother was on official duty 30:32 abroad, it was like a month, two months 30:34 , right? Mak Mi is like my mother. So 30:39 if a male friend of mine came, she 30:42 would immediately sit there, Mbak. 30:47 >> Why is she fiercer than your mother? 30:50 >> Yes, that's loyalty in the old days, 30:52 huh. Because we considered her 30:57 >> eh so I was used to being taught by 30:59 Mother that she is a maid, not a 31:02 servant 31:04 >> and not a slave. A 31:05 >> maid helps with assistance like that. 31:09 So remember you are not allowed to 31:11 shout for her like that even though my 31:13 room 14 is far back, right? So if I 31:18 need her, this Makmi, I'm the one who 31:20 runs to the back, Mak like that, Mak 31:22 makes a cake, Mak, come on, like that. 31:26 >> Mbak Rustin also said that Mbak Rusin's 31:29 mother was once scolded at the palace, 31:31 yes, the one 31:33 >> who scolded Soekarno. Bung Karno. Karno 31:36 >> yesterday, why was that? Because my 31:39 mother was the former leader of the 31:41 socialist women's movement. 31:44 >> He. 31:45 >> The former leader was Sultan Sahrir 31:49 >> in the PSI, you know. 31:51 >> Well, PSI was disbanded by Bung Karno. 31:55 >> He was like 31:56 >> that because he couldn't accept 31:58 communism at that time, right, and Mas 32:00 Yumi couldn't accept communism. My 32:03 mother, because she was a journalist, 32:05 had many assignments to America. H 32:09 >> I don't know why she was considered 32:13 what ee socialism there. 32:18 >> Well, it was when we were in Kemayoran, 32:21 Mas, the plane landed in Kemayoran, 32:24 >> why didn't you come out of this airport 32:27 , it was still in the baggage area and 32:30 all that. Finally, behind him was Cakra 32:34 Birawa. Hm. 32:35 >> Cakra Birawa. Mother was waiting ee 32:38 asked to go to the palace. 32:41 >> H. 32:41 >> Ee then Bung Karno and Mother, that was 32:44 Dutch, I don't understand. But what I 32:47 know is that Bung Karno slammed the 32:48 table. What will, huh. What do you want 32:52 , like that, if you were there, I 32:54 wanted me, yes, 32:56 >> I spoke like that because I think 32:58 that's how it is, 33:00 >> if I were now, my party was dissolved, 33:03 it's your right, 33:04 >> but it's also my right to speak 33:06 >> H like that, yeah, I don't 33:09 >> know, so that's the courage that I 33:11 might have imitated, yeah, from my 33:13 father. He's a civil servant, isn't he? 33:17 >> This isn't what he's called? Hey, he's 33:18 not the type of person who isn't 33:20 >> vocal. 33:21 >> He doesn't become a civil servant, so 33:23 that's it, just one thing like that. 33:29 >> Okay, if you want to ask, we'll wait at 33:31 0811999 720 with Ms. Rustin Elyas. Ms. 33:44 Rustin, do you know the children under 33:46 the bridge by heart when greeting them? 33:53 I've known them for a long time. But 33:56 sometimes I don't know the newcomers. E 34:01 , who was there, didn't ask me to write 34:03 my name on a piece of paper and stick 34:04 it on my chest with tape. 34:06 >> H 34:06 >> when I arrived. 34:09 >> Hm. Like that. 34:11 >> But I memorized it after a while. 34:14 >> Who else is there? I don't have one. 34:16 Asalamualaikum, Ms. Rustin. Where am I? 34:22 I'm Nugraha from Cisalak. May I ask, 34:25 with the forest fires that were 34:26 deliberately set on fire, even though 34:28 they had already occurred elsewhere, 34:30 where do you think our country is 34:32 headed? Hm. 34:36 >> Yes, it should be fixed, fixed, you 34:39 know. That's the main responsibility 34:42 here. The highest is the president, of 34:45 course. Well, but in those regions, 34:49 they all have their own leaders. H, 34:53 >> yes, their leaders are the ones who 34:56 need to be pinched. They need to be 34:59 held accountable. Don't let this go on 35:04 for too long. 35:07 >> Okay. Then in the Depok area. 35:09 Asalamualaikum, Ms. Rustin. Ms. Rustin, 35:12 what is the fate and sustainability of 35:15 the indigenous people who depend on the 35:18 forest ecosystem after this fire? 35:22 >> Yes, they are still Kalimantan people, 35:25 especially the Dayak tribe. They are 35:31 never afraid of anything because they 35:33 are in the middle of it. 35:36 >> That is their home. So if the forest is 35:38 destroyed like that, they feel like my 35:41 home is being destroyed. Then there are 35:44 leaders who are using it for what, they 35:46 are destroying it, they say they want 35:47 to turn it into what is it called, palm 35:49 oil plantations. That's 35:52 >> insane, right? Kalimantan people are 35:55 going crazy. Be 35:56 >> careful who says things like that. We 36:01 should know, sir, that we are a single 36:04 nation. ika. You can't make a fuss 36:08 about it like that. Is that the same 36:10 thing as making a fuss about it? 36:13 Although according to this high-ranking 36:16 man, if he replaced it with oil palm, 36:18 the yield would be greater. More for 36:21 whom, right? 36:23 >> Well, for him, probably. But for the 36:25 Dayak people themselves, they don't 36:27 need oil palm, they need the forest. 36:29 That's 36:30 >> right. 36:32 >> Greetings, Mbak Restin, regarding the 36:33 children, it's very sad. I don't know 36:36 the ones out there, but there are some 36:38 in my neighborhood too. For example, 36:41 even late at night, they're still 36:43 playing. If I want to remind them, 36:45 they're afraid of being called nosy or 36:48 what? Ee, that's also sad. What should 36:51 I do, Mbak Rustin? 36:53 >> Well, there's an RT. There's an RT. So, 36:59 let's go to the RT, we'll have a chat, 37:04 >> or if it's the mothers, I'm sure in 37:06 every village there are religious 37:08 studies or social gatherings or 37:10 something. Talking about these children 37:13 will definitely find a way. There's no 37:16 way a mother wouldn't find a way for 37:18 her child. Whatever the way. Well, This 37:21 village is different from Onoh village. 37:24 >> H, 37:24 >> you know, Mas. They can't be compared. 37:27 For example, a village in the area 37:29 called Jalan Keramat, for example, has 37:32 a lot of Ambonese people. It 37:34 >> can't be compared with a village with a 37:36 lot of Betawi people. 37:37 >> Oh, that's different. Of course it's 37:38 >> different. The culture is different 37:40 there. Well, this is hallelujah here, 37:42 Samroh. It's different, right? So it 37:44 can't be. It's better to leave it that 37:47 way but remain friendly. Because at 37:49 certain times, at what-so-called very 37:52 specific times, they need something in 37:56 common, Mas. 37:57 >> Hm. Okay. From Mas Selamat Mega. 38:03 Asalamualaikum, Mbak Rustin. Thank God, 38:05 you're listening. May I ask, Mbak 38:07 Rustin. Does your organization 38:10 collaborate or work with NGOs like 38:13 Green Face, the Indonesian Green Party, 38:16 smoke-free? or something from Mr. 38:19 Selamat Mega in Mampang Prapatan? 38:22 >> Uh, it's like this, Sir. Mr. Samat, yes 38:25 , 38:26 >> Mr. Selamat. 38:26 >> Mr. Samet. For me, I've been a field 38:30 worker since the 1990s, my husband was 38:32 in the air force. 38:35 >> So I invite anyone. For me, friends, 38:38 I'm friends with even the devil, sir. 38:41 You know. If I'm not friends with the 38:44 devil, I won't know 38:46 >> what the devil is up to. I have to know 38:48 that. 38:50 >> Am I friends with the so-called tuna 38:52 prosilala, tuna, what is a friend to me 38:54 ? If he just went there, there was a 38:58 sacred tunggak, right? That's the 39:00 red-light district where I hung out. 39:03 What did they do there? There were 39:04 >> still a lot of little kids there. 13, 39:07 14 years old, already prostitutes. 39:09 >> Hm. 39:10 >> How come? Heeh. 39:12 >> Well, at that time there was no such 39:15 thing as a minister for women, there 39:18 was no minister for women and children. 39:21 That was new. So in the 90s, there 39:24 wasn't one. That's why there was a 39:25 red-light district there. I'm just 39:28 disappointed that the red-light 39:30 district was just disbanded without 39:32 these people being channeled somewhere 39:35 first. 39:36 >> H, 39:37 >> what was I doing at that time? If it 39:41 was in another place, I won't say where 39:44 . In another place, I did something 39:46 like this. Hey, the governor said 39:50 there's a localization here that will 39:52 be disbanded. Wait, sir. Don't be like 39:55 Jakarta. Jakarta doesn't use nonsense, 39:57 it just disbands like that. What's the 40:00 end result? They end up on the streets. 40:03 >> Hm. I've criticized you ladies before, 40:08 haven't I? Back when I was with the 40:12 wives of high-ranking local government 40:16 officials, I said, "Ma'am, the 40:19 localization has been disbanded. So 40:24 where are they now, Ma'am? Who's Muslim 40:27 here? They're all Muslim.""Yes, yes. 40:30 Then I said this, our religion also 40:34 doesn't teach us to defecate carelessly 40:37 . 40:38 >> Everything has to have a place. Why are 40:41 we defecating carelessly if prostitutes 40:44 are considered dirty? I said that. 40:47 >> Why are we throwing it carelessly? Even 40:50 feces have a safety tank. I said that. 40:52 Heh. 40:54 >> How come this isn't considered to have 40:56 a safety tank? Well, in the end, 40:58 hopefully those sons of yours won't be 41:00 visited or they won't date, I'm so 41:02 annoyed. I don't understand how to 41:07 remind these honorable mothers. 41:11 >> Hm. 41:12 >> Who, sir, wants to be a prostitute? No 41:16 little child is asked," What do you 41:17 want to be when you grow up, son? "" 41:20 Prostitute, Mak. "No one said that. 41:22 It's impossible, you know. Most want to 41:25 be a 41:25 >> doctor. I want to be an engineer, right 41:29 ? No one asked," What do you want to be 41:31 , son? "" Lonte mako tidak ono lote is 41:35 covered up because that's not true, you 41:38 know. 41:41 >> Eh, asalamualaikum Mbak Rustin from 41:43 Titin. How did Mbak Rustin get in there 41:47 ? How did Mbak Rosin get accepted by 41:52 them and did Mbak Rosin bring any 41:54 changes to them? I was accepted because 41:59 of what I am? I don't differentiate 42:03 myself from 42:04 >> them. H if I had come to that place, 42:08 first of all, it would be just an ice 42:10 breaker, like that, you know, everyone 42:13 doesn't care like this while I bring 42:16 some cakes or something. Then I see who 42:20 here is the most popular, Heeh. Those 42:24 who 42:24 >> have influence like that. I approach 42:27 them, I talk to them about what, Mas, 42:29 what's good or Mbak or whoever from 42:31 there. He. 42:33 >> Well, we sit together there. So, I 42:36 never talk to them. 42:38 >> H 42:39 >> I talk to them. 42:41 >> Hm. 42:42 >> I never teach them, Mas. That's how it 42:43 is. Because it turns out that's how it 42:45 is. The Pasar Minggu kids are quieter 42:47 than the Keramat Jati kids. 42:50 >> Why is that? 42:50 >> Because if the kids Keramajati is a 42:52 market kid. 42:53 >> Hm. He. 42:54 >> Well, what did he bring back then? A 42:56 >> plastic bag, a 42:57 >> plastic bag, a basket, and all that. 43:00 And there were a lot of buyers there 43:02 that he had to introduce. If they 43:03 didn't know each other, they wouldn't 43:04 be given money later, right? 43:05 >> Yes. 43:06 >> Well, Pasar Minggu kids are homogeneous 43:08 . What's their 43:10 >> nature? 43:12 >> Emm, they're just quiet. Meaning, for 43:16 example, if they were told what to be, 43:18 the public transport conductors were 43:21 still small, like that. So they were 43:25 let loose on the streets. But if 43:26 Keramajati kids are in the market, they 43:29 ... 43:29 >> Hmm. Their characters are different. 43:30 >> Different. Different. Same as the 43:32 characters of the kids in 43:34 >> Tanjung Pria Angke. Angke. 43:36 >> Mayam. Muaraangke. Pantung Periuk is 43:38 the same. 43:38 >> Heh. They're 43:39 >> very quiet. 43:41 >> Why is that? 43:41 >> Because they only see the sea. 43:44 >> Hm. 43:44 >> So when they meet people, they're a bit 43:46 like that. 43:47 >> H is 43:48 >> not friendly. Well, we who have to be 43:51 those characters, I have to learn that. 43:55 If I suddenly become friendly When they 43:57 went there, they were scared and didn't 43:59 want to. 44:01 >> Did you see any changes from Mbak 44:03 Rustin's visit? 44:05 >> I've been a lot since I was a kid since 44:08 I was a kid. 44:11 >> Some of them sell shoes, some of them 44:14 fix computers, some of them cut hair. 44:19 Oh, that's it. 44:20 >> Heeh. The one who sells shoes is the 44:22 one who keeps teaching his friends. 44:24 Finally, he went back to the village. 44:26 >> Heh. 44:27 >> He became a shoe boss there. H 44:31 >> like that. Are 44:32 >> they criminals? 44:33 >> No. Ugh. The criminals next to them, 44:37 Mas, are the ones wearing ties. 44:40 Criminals. They're already hypocritical 44:42 criminals, right? 44:44 >> Today they're speaking religious 44:45 language, tomorrow they're speaking 44:47 national language. The day after 44:49 tomorrow they'll be stealing, right? 44:52 >> Okay. How long will Mbak Rus be 44:57 involved in this world? 44:59 >> As long as she has breath. 45:01 >> Masyaallah. Well, like today, there's a 45:05 plan, there's a schedule, right? 45:09 >> Not today, but later it's usually like 45:11 this, Mas. Get out of here and then 45:13 talk Vi, where's the best place to go? 45:15 Oh yeah Mom. Have you been there yet? 45:16 Let's go there. It's like going to 45:18 Ciputat everywhere, 45:19 >> but every week there's always a visit, 45:21 yeah, 45:22 >> if it's by phone, I'm okay, you know, 45:25 >> because it wasn't always like that 45:27 before, when there weren't cell phones, 45:29 >> they had cell phones, 45:31 >> so like this, in every location, 45:34 there's a coordinator, for example, Em 45:37 Yani is in Ciputat, then the one under 45:40 the Jelambar bridge, Miss, who's in 45:43 Slipi, who's like that, Jati, who? Is 45:46 Mr. Otong in the Keramat Jati area 45:50 >> always bringing supplies on every visit 45:53 ? At least some food, do you bring it? 45:56 >> Heeh. 45:57 >> But now that I'm older, I'm the one who 45:59 brings it. I'm the one who gets what 46:03 they bring, eh, when they hear I'm sick 46:06 , they've always come to the house to 46:09 visit 46:10 >> and bring various things, you know. 46:12 >> Heeh. 46:12 >> Bring tomatoes, bring this and that. 46:15 Yeah, I'm happy to be processed like 46:16 that. But I didn't see why this is like 46:19 a chip, this is broken. Where did you 46:22 get this from? That's where you got it, 46:27 it fell on the clock. Those things fell 46:30 down. There are Where did he steal a 46:35 motel like that? I just think of it as 46:38 mischief. 46:38 >> But it means his intentions are better, 46:40 right? 46:41 >> Yeah, that's it. Hm. 46:43 >> When I was usually under the bridge. In 46:46 the past, they would immediately come 46:48 and bang their hands like this, asking 46:51 for their nails to be cut. 46:53 >> Oh. 46:54 >> Well, their nails were black 46:55 >> like that. And if 46:57 >> there was any spoiling, right? 46:59 >> Heeh. They were spoiled. That's what 47:01 Mas, children actually miss everywhere, 47:04 children have the same character. 47:06 Whether they're under the bridge or in 47:08 the palace, they're the same. They want 47:12 to be loved, they want to be hugged, 47:14 they want to play with children 47:16 everywhere, they're the same. 47:18 >> Hm. 47:19 >> Well, it's like that. If I bring the 47:22 rainy season, I bring an umbrella, I 47:24 put this umbrella here when I visit 47:27 them, "Ma'am, for an hour, Ma'am," like 47:29 that. They borrowed the umbrella, they 47:32 ride the umbrella, they don't want to 47:33 lose out. 47:36 >> Oh, I see. 47:37 >> Masyaallah. Okay. Oh, thank God I 47:43 listened. Oh God, Miss Rustin, I'm 47:45 sorry, why do you want to take care of 47:48 that? There's no money. There's 47:50 >> none, but there is happiness. 47:53 >> I'm often asked, I'm always asked, what 47:57 are you teaching me, Miss there? No. I 48:01 don't teach them. They're the ones 48:04 teaching me about life. 48:05 >> Hmm. How can you not teach me, Mas? 48:09 Because at 7 years old, I'm already 48:10 thinking about this for my mother, this 48:12 for my grandmother. I'm the one who is 48:17 >> oh my. Yes, this child is already 48:19 thinking, "Mom, this is fun, Mom. Later 48:21 I can buy rice like that."" 48:24 >> What do they do? Ee yeah, they 48:28 >> lift things. 48:29 >> Lift things like that. 48:30 >> Heeh. Heeh. Is 48:32 >> there jealousy between them? 48:33 >> Yes, it's normal, Mas. Like that. But I 48:35 always ask again, what are teenagers 48:38 like, like children like that. 48:40 >> Okay. It's a shame that the time has 48:43 run out before I realize it. Okay, many 48:47 people have asked for Mbak Rustin's 48:48 phone number. I'll read it again, okay. 48:50 Please note it down. Mbak Rustin 48:52 Ilias's phone number. R O S. Rustin. T 49:00 I E The number is 0812. Already 88 8 4* 49:09 1145 0812 888 1145 Rustin Ilias Mbin, 49:21 thank you, Mbak Evi. Thank you. 49:24 >> Okay, you're welcome, Mas. What do you 49:26 want to say 49:28 >> lastly, um, what do you want to say? 49:32 >> Yes, we have to start learning to teach 49:36 our children about the forest. H 49:40 >> because this is an example of the 49:42 forest there. But it's not impossible 49:45 that in Java it can also happen, 49:49 >> whether it's throwing cigarette butts 49:51 carelessly or whatever it's called I'm 49:53 not open to plants. Teach the kids to 49:57 plant. 49:58 >> Okay, 49:58 >> that's it. 49:59 >> Okay. Thank you, Ms. Rustin. Hopefully, 50:02 it will be good again. I'm Muhammad 50:05 Krishna. Also here are Alfa, Firza, 50:09 Rianto, and Algi Farurji. Please take 50:14 your leave. May Allah grant us guidance 50:15 and guidance. Peace be upon you. 
