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0:02 Brail TV. 0:09 >> Peace be upon you, and Allah's mercy 0:11 and blessings. How are you, Bang Nuim? 0:14 >> And peace be upon you, and Allah's 0:16 mercy and blessings. Alhamdulillah, I 0:18 am doing well. 0:19 >> Alhamdulillah. Oh, it's starting to 0:21 rain here and there. How is Melbourne? 0:24 Is it still cold, or how is the weather 0:26 in Australia? Yes. It fluctuates, up 0:30 and down. But the thing 0:31 >> that changes is just like this. As I 0:33 said 0:34 >> on Saturday 0:35 >> Dhuhr was still at 12:01. 0:37 >> Oh, I see. 0:38 >> Saturday, right? Last Saturday 0:40 >> Dhuhr was at 12:01. On Sunday 0:44 >> Dhuhr was at 12:00. 0:45 >> Oh, one hour, so that means four hours 0:48 now? 0:48 >> Yes, the difference is four hours now. 0:50 >> It's been four hours already. The world 0:52 is truly extraordinary, isn't it? It 0:55 seems quite consistent these days, 0:56 right? But how about it, Bang Nuim, in 1:01 Australia, are the state officials 1:03 proportional to the citizens? Because 1:07 in Indonesia, wow, it's amazing, the 1:09 number of minister-level officials has 1:12 now reached 161 people. Last year it 1:15 was still 70, right? What does Bang 1:20 Nuim see regarding the consistency or 1:22 commitment when so many communities are 1:23 recruited by the President? There are 1:28 an extraordinary number of presidential 1:30 envoys. There are advisors, a team of 1:33 presidential staff totaling 26 people, 1:35 plus 41 ministers, not to mention their 1:38 deputies. Ah, how does Bang Nuim view 1:42 today, October 5th, which is marked as 1:44 the anniversary of the Indonesian 1:46 National Armed Forces? Of course, there 1:51 is another story regarding October 1st 1:53 and September 30th; Bang Nuim is a 1:55 witness to the history of this nation's 1:57 journey. What can Bang Nuim see in the 2:02 midst of the global turmoil that keeps 2:04 unfolding? What is Bang Nuim's view on 2:07 the Gibran election dispute (PHPU) 2:09 trial? Perhaps the person behind it is 2:12 someone you know in Australia, acting 2:14 as the trigger. And of course, the 2:17 world is not doing so well. Netanyahu 2:20 with his 5153 and the opposition, and 2:25 about what is it called, a false flag 2:27 operation, regarding the fly Dubai? Wow 2:32 , maybe if 100 people disappear, it 2:34 could be, what is it? An image booster 2:38 for a Netanyahu. While Iran is 2:42 preparing a new "Hang Hengghong." 2:45 Please, Bang Nuim. For the next 30 2:47 minutes 2:50 >> we are waiting for enlightenment from 2:52 an Indonesian citizen at the edge of 2:53 the world. Please, Bang Nuim. 2:58 >> Thank you. In the name of Allah, the 3:00 Most Gracious, the Most Merciful. Peace 3:01 be upon you, and Allah's mercy and 3:03 blessings. So 3:04 >> first of all, let's talk about 3:06 >> in quotation marks 3:07 >> the cabinet reshuffle, which, if looked 3:09 at from the outside, 3:11 >> from the outside, it reminds me 3:13 >> in the past 3:15 >> the late President Soekarno was once 3:17 mocked for having a cabinet of 100 3:19 ministers. 3:21 >> Having a cabinet of 100 ministers, they 3:23 said. He was mocked. Now, there is 3:26 something even more impressive, more 3:28 than 100 ministers and other officials. 3:33 >> The problem here is, it's not certain 3:34 that with such a large number, the 3:36 quality will also increase, because 3:38 there is an English proverb, whether 3:40 it's true or not, it's up to you. 3:43 >> It is 3:44 >> too many cooks spoil the broth. 3:46 >> Oh, 3:48 >> too many cooks spoil the porridge. So, 3:51 it becomes too salty or—yes, that's " 3:54 too many cooks." Too many cooks spoil 3:57 the broth. 3:58 >> The broth gets ruined. In this, perhaps 4:02 we can use the English proverb about 4:04 having too many cooks. So 4:08 >> here is the story. 4:11 >> Once upon a time, the late Bung Karno 4:13 felt perhaps a bit uneasy. Hmm. 4:18 >> Because among his 100 ministers, no one 4:21 dared to deny, contradict, or disagree 4:23 with him. 4:25 >> Yes. 4:29 >> So, when he met an expert named Mr. 4:31 U.I. Chutan, he reportedly said in 4:33 Dutch, "I want someone in the cabinet 4:35 who dares to contradict me." So, can 4:41 you do it? Are you able to? And U.I. 4:45 Chutan later recounted that when Bung 4:47 Karno was about to go to the restroom, 4:48 he pulled my hand. He said, "Let's not 4:52 waste time.""Let's keep talking, even 4:54 if I have to go to the restroom." That 4:56 is roughly how it was. So finally, 4:58 Chutan said, "I am willing." However, 5:04 at one point when the President 5:05 proposed an idea or a plan of action, 5:07 Chutan stood up and said, "This cannot 5:09 be," and President Soekarno became very 5:12 angry. 5:15 >> Hmm. 5:17 >> And after the cabinet meeting, Chutan 5:18 said, "You said you wanted to find 5:20 someone who could contradict you.""When 5:23 I contradict you, you get angry." Oh, 5:25 Soekarno replied, "Contradict me, but 5:28 not in public."" 5:30 >> What if my reputation falls if you 5:31 contradict me in public?"" 5:33 >> Contradict me in private." Now, there 5:35 it is. So sometimes we see a few things 5:38 to note in this cabinet reshuffle. 5:40 First, 5:43 >> some say why was Listyo Sigit Prabowo 5:45 suddenly moved or dismissed from his 5:47 position? Even though he had been 5:50 attacked and called to be removed so 5:51 much before. Well, here 5:54 >> Prabowo perhaps wants to show, "I do 5:56 not want to listen to you.""You can 5:58 shout all you want over there.""If I 6:00 change him right now, you will say it 6:02 is because of you, not because of me." 6:05 So, he waited for a quieter time, after 6:08 he once said, "Has our National Police 6:10 Chief received the Satya Lencana award 6:12 yet?""I will give him the Satya Lencana 6:15 ." Then he was shifted. So the play was 6:18 quite smart, but I don't think it was 6:20 very subtle. The issue is also the view 6:23 of the people's representatives 6:26 >> seeing their representatives in the DPR 6:28 so easily, 6:31 >> so easily finishing a fit and proper 6:33 test and so on in half an hour. Well, 6:37 this makes people say, as the Malay 6:39 proverb goes, if you are too picky with 6:41 sugarcane, you might end up with the 6:43 woody part. 6:45 >> Anyway, this has become reality now and 6:47 it happened so fast. It is not 6:49 impossible. 6:50 >> Perhaps it was whispered beforehand, " 6:52 You will be appointed as the National 6:53 Police Chief.""So prepare your work 6:55 plan.""What about parliament?""Don't 6:58 worry, we'll arrange the DPR later."" 7:02 They will surely agree even if we 7:03 appoint Nuim as the Police Chief, they 7:05 will agree; that is roughly the idea." 7:08 Only God knows, we do not know. But it 7:11 is also a problem. 7:12 >> regarding this FlyDubai incident 7:14 >> not that one 7:15 >> this is interesting because it raises 7:17 many questions. Hm. 7:20 >> First, it must be explained here that 7:22 Hammam bin Ham, Hammam al-Ham, the 7:24 co-pilot who is said to have attacked 7:26 the pilot, had attended school in 7:28 Australia for 2 years. 7:33 >> But then he left Australia, so his visa 7:35 was canceled. 7:37 >> It is also said that he once studied to 7:39 fly planes in New Zealand, reportedly. 7:42 But what draws attention is 7:46 >> why, why was someone known to dislike 7:48 Israel so much allowed to accompany a 7:50 pilot on a flight to Israel? This is 7:55 usually impossible. 7:57 >> This is usually impossible. 7:59 >> Why was this permitted? Because it was 8:02 already known that he did not like 8:04 Israel. 8:06 >> How could this become a reality? Ah, 8:12 this was also asked of the person 8:13 hailed as a hero by Netanyahu for 8:15 saving the pilot, who was actually just 8:17 a repairman 8:21 >> a handyman for fixing broken faucets 8:24 and such. 8:25 >> He supposedly managed to save the pilot 8:27 . Then he was asked how he could 8:30 control a plane that had begun to 8:32 nosedive so rapidly. And then there was 8:36 a pilot, reportedly a passenger, who 8:38 supposedly took over. Now, this is 8:41 where questions arise. 8:43 >> The interesting question here is 8:48 >> that the plane nosedived so fast that 8:50 within 2 minutes it should have 8:51 supposedly reached 5,000 meters down. 8:56 >> And everything inside should have been 8:58 in total disarray. So why didn't that 9:02 actually happen? They say these are 9:06 questions that remain unanswered. But 9:08 there is one more thing. 9:11 >> Now, this is one thing that might draw 9:13 attention, especially for a Muslim. It 9:19 is said that when the plane left the 9:20 United Arab Emirates at exactly 5 9:22 minutes past. 9:25 >> Yeah. Yes. And it was said that the 9:30 co-pilot asked for permission 9:35 >> from the pilot to pray. 9:37 >> Oh. 9:37 >> Then it was asked, what prayer is this? 9:41 >> It was past Fajr and not yet Dhuhr. 9:44 Well, maybe it was Duha prayer. But 9:47 this becomes a question. Then, 9:49 >> oh 9:51 >> because not long after leaving Dubai, 9:53 suddenly the co-pilot asked for 9:54 permission to pray. 9:57 >> People asked earlier, what prayer? If 9:59 it were Fajr prayer, it would have been 10:01 3 hours earlier. 10:02 >> He. 10:02 >> Because now the sun has already risen. 10:04 So maybe Duha prayer, we don't know. 10:08 Now, this is what raises questions, and 10:11 for Netanyahu 10:14 >> this is actually an advantage because 10:16 soon there is an election 10:18 >> the 10:19 >> general election, and he recently was 10:21 said to have been informed 10:25 >> not only by Israeli intelligence that a 10:26 Hamas attack would occur, but was also 10:28 warned by a leader from the United Arab 10:30 Emirates 10:35 >> that an attack would happen, but why 10:36 did he not do anything? Now, this 10:40 >> could also make him feel quite 10:41 overwhelmed. So this incident 10:45 >> it seems will truly make Netanyahu feel 10:47 overwhelmed. He is indeed considered 10:50 responsible, that this is because of 10:52 Netanyahu. But we also see, Bung Ehsan, 10:54 this happened recently in Ireland, 10:56 right? Yes. 10:59 >> In that soccer match, the players 11:01 refused to shake hands, they didn't 11:02 want to exchange pendants as is usually 11:04 done. They refused because they were 11:10 playing against Israel, instead they 11:12 wore gloves or black armbands on their 11:14 shoulders or upper arms to show. 11:19 >> their condolences for the victims who 11:21 have fallen in Gaza. Yes. 11:24 >> Yeah. It seems extraordinary that the 11:29 world is indeed the parent of all this 11:31 conflict, which also causes Iran to 11:33 keep conflicting, triggered by Israel, 11:35 so America follows along by pushing its 11:37 way there. Curses from both sides are 11:44 currently ongoing. Are we waiting for 11:48 the election in America first while 11:50 this continues, or how does Nuim see 11:52 the existing developments? What is 11:55 certain is that the impact of oil 11:56 prices is extraordinary on everyone's 11:58 pockets. Isn't that right, Brother? 12:00 >> Yes. Because we also see that right now 12:02 , not all countries, even countries 12:05 >> like the G7 for instance, are no longer 12:07 obedient to America. They will export 12:11 fuel oil, diesel oil. And America 12:13 doesn't like it if this happens. Don't 12:16 forget, Brother. 12:19 >> This, what is it called? Trump has said 12:24 nine times already that it's over, 12:25 America has won the war against Iran, 12:27 but it still hasn't happened. 12:31 >> Now, what's being highlighted is why 12:33 America still continues to maintain 12:38 >> the agreement, with the agreement. Why 12:42 not take a step? Even though it's with 12:45 Saudi Arabia, and Saudi Arabia is one 12:47 of America's extraordinary allies. Why 12:50 Iran? Why does America not want to 12:52 >> America does not want to go to war? 12:55 Perhaps because they also see that they 12:57 have sent so many troops, yet Iran 12:59 still exists. 13:02 >> And before, they said it was for regime 13:04 change. Uh-huh. 13:08 >> Then they said Iran is a country that 13:10 likes to be a kind of, you could say, 13:12 terrorist foreman. 13:16 >> Now, but now Iran is not allowed to 13:18 have nuclear weapons. Iran has for a 13:22 long time said it will not use nuclear 13:24 weapons as a war tool. Nuclear is only 13:28 intended for peaceful purposes. For 13:30 example, generating electricity and so 13:32 on. So this is a bit chaotic, a bit of 13:35 a mess. But because it's Trump, well, 13:37 what can people say? That's Trump. We 13:40 have to say that's Trump. 13:41 >> Uh-huh. Yes. Yes. This is extraordinary 13:45 . I don't know, we once experienced 13:48 turmoil between the East and the West, 13:50 they called it the Cold War. Which led 13:55 to what is called the G30S PKI. Back to 13:57 domestic affairs, Brother Nuim. It's 13:59 different now, isn't it? Yes, we say " 14:02 jasmerah," don't forget history, today 14:05 is October 5th. Of course, in '65 we 14:11 received a gift of incredibly long 14:13 turmoil, and it seems the army has 14:15 become a, what, a barometer in our 14:17 country. Brother Nuim, remember the 81- 14:25 year journey of the Indonesian National 14:27 Armed Forces and also about socialism 14:29 wrapped in red communism and some even 14:31 say white communism. Ah, call it 14:35 socialist, if people say so. How do you 14:38 see it, brother? Yes, this is 14:41 interesting, because when we talk about 14:43 this issue 14:46 >> first, it is always said and we are 14:48 reminded—even one of the late Bung 14:50 Karno's sons reminded us— "don't 14:52 forget history"(Jasmerah). 14:55 >> This is Jasmerah. 14:59 >> But I once wrote about this, that when 15:01 the turmoil occurred in 1948 in Madiun, 15:04 it was in September. 15:07 >> It was in September. And the ones who 15:10 did it were the PKI. 15:12 >> Because they attacked from behind the 15:14 provisional government at that time, 15:16 which was led, if I'm not mistaken, by 15:17 Hatta or Syahrir and others. Then 15:20 Nasution, at that time he was 20, he 15:23 was 15:24 >> uh, the youngest general in Indonesia. 15:27 He succeeded in getting it under 15:28 control in '48. But then, not long 15:33 after that, 7 years after that, 15:35 >> Heh. 15:36 >> How could the PKI become one of the big 15:38 four in the election which 15:41 >> was the most honest and fair in 15:43 Indonesia in 1955. How could the PKI do 15:47 that? Why was it allowed? 15:49 >> I myself, when I was still at 15:51 university, initially wanted to study 15:53 Pancasila. There was even a teacher 15:55 whose name was 15:57 >> TM Utsman Almuhabbadi from Aceh. He 15:59 taught Pancasila and Islam and so on. 16:01 >> Suddenly, NASAKOM came out. Yes. 16:04 >> We were astonished. 16:05 >> Wow, Pancasila, from five pressed down 16:08 to three, pressed down to one—gotong 16:10 royong—we were confused. And all this 16:13 was certainly at the will of President 16:15 Soekarno at the time; no one ever dared 16:17 to oppose his wishes, and everything 16:19 was obeyed. So we see that the 16:22 tinkering with 16:24 >> uh, Pancasila was also done by Bung 16:26 Karno, who was once very angry at the 16:28 ulema who said they could not accept 16:30 communism because communism did not 16:32 acknowledge the existence of God and 16:34 even called God the opiate of the 16:35 people and so on. But because he 16:39 himself forgot history, h 16:41 >> he is the one who said "don't forget 16:43 history," but he is the one who forgot 16:45 history. That coincidentally in 16:49 September there was turmoil in Madiun 16:51 by the PKI and so on. So this makes us 16:55 wonder. 16:56 >> Indeed, Bung Karno had many 16:58 contributions. As said, uh, if I'm not 17:00 mistaken, by the person who wrote his 17:03 biography, Cindy Adams, 17:05 >> when asked, "Bung, why August 17, 1945? 17:08 " He he. 17:10 >> Reportedly, Bung Karno's answer was 17:12 this. Muslims pray a minimum of one day 17:15 a minimum of 17 rakaat, hence the date 17:17 17. 17:18 >> Yes. 17:19 >> Ah, why the month of August in '45? The 17:23 month of August in '45 was the month of 17:25 Ramadan. And in Islam, "Syahru 17:28 Ramadanalladhi unzila fihil Qur'an." 17:30 The month of Ramadan, the Quran was 17:32 revealed. 17:32 >> Then why 1945? Because 1945, if added 17:37 up, becomes 19. And in Islam, that 17:41 number has a special meaning. That's 17:44 what Bung Karno said. Maybe one day 17:47 someone will explain why, when the PKI 17:50 later rose again, why Bung Karno was so 17:52 fond of the PKI; I 17:56 >> as a person at that time 18:00 >> was a coordinator for what was called 18:01 the American development volunteers. So 18:05 at that time, there was an agreement 18:06 between Bung Karno and President 18:08 Kennedy that America would send young 18:10 personnel to Indonesia. 18:14 >> among them, helping people in the 18:15 village with farming, because experts 18:17 would be sent to Medan. Yeah. Uh-huh. 18:21 >> Yes. They were called the American 18:22 Peace Corps. 18:24 >> There were actually two people sent to 18:25 Medan. 18:26 >> I remember their names. One was Peter 18:28 Morsi, 23 years old. So he was about 18:31 the same age as me. 18:32 >> The other one was Norman Majores. 18:34 >> He coached basketball. 18:37 >> Meanwhile, Peter Borsi coached swimming 18:39 and diving. And at that time, I was an 18:42 administrator for the All-Indonesia 18:43 Swimming Association, North Sumatra 18:45 branch. That's great. 18:46 >> And when he came to Indonesia, came to 18:48 Medan, 18:49 >> this Peter Morsi was surprised. 18:51 >> H 18:52 >> He tried speaking to me in broken 18:54 Indonesian because he had only learned 18:56 it for three months. I spoke in English 18:58 because I had already been studying 19:00 English at the time. He was amazed, 19:02 >> and he said, "In America, we thought 19:04 that you all still lived in trees, not 19:06 in houses and had electricity." Yes, 19:08 that's right. Uh-huh. 19:09 >> But 19:10 >> the problem was 19:12 >> he was accused by the communists in 19:14 Medan, North Sumatra, of being a CIA 19:16 agent. So, naturally, I was affected by 19:20 it. 19:21 >> That’s why, as the HMI secretary at 19:23 the time, every Sunday 19:26 >> I had to report to the police station. 19:29 >> Why? Because that was the demand of the 19:30 People’s Youth. Uh-huh. 19:32 >> So if they say the PKI was good, they 19:34 weren't, especially toward Islamic 19:36 people, especially toward Muslims. 19:39 Uh-huh. 19:39 >> Even though among them, there were some 19:41 who, on Fridays, would intentionally 19:43 sit next to me for Friday prayers and 19:45 so on. But outside, they were very 19:48 cruel whenever we held a study group. 19:51 They would throw stones at the zinc 19:53 roofs of our houses. 19:56 >> How rude, but what could we do? It was 19:58 like that, I swear, I’m not lying. 20:01 Yes. 20:01 >> When the University of Bones 20:06 >> held a seminar on the G30S incident in 20:08 Indonesia, they brought in speakers 20:10 from abroad, especially from East 20:12 Germany. 20:14 >> Oh. 20:17 >> Before the seminar began, I asked to 20:19 speak with a friend of mine from Radio 20:21 Australia named Hidayatullah Jaya 20:22 Miharja. I asked to speak, 20:26 >> I told him my experience of being 20:28 oppressed by the PKI when I was in 20:30 Indonesia. 20:31 >> I swear to God, I’m not lying. At 20:34 that time, Modes finally canceled the 20:36 seminar 20:39 >> because it couldn't proceed, as there 20:40 were actually reasons from ordinary 20:42 people who would not accept the cruelty 20:44 committed by the PKI in Indonesia at 20:46 that time. An incident occurred in 20:49 Bandar Betsy, not far from Medan. 20:51 Uh-huh. 20:52 >> Then people from Jakarta brought in, 20:54 for example, an editor-in-chief of a 20:56 people's daily newspaper in Medan named 20:58 Tan Kukyong. 21:01 >> Yes, a Baperki person. 21:04 >> Then there was another Baperki 21:05 newspaper there. 21:08 >> Baperki had a newspaper, and its leader 21:10 was a Muslim. 21:13 >> The newspaper was called Gotong Royong. 21:16 Its leader was named Suhaimi, but we 21:18 mocked him by calling him Suhaimi. So 21:24 >> this was incredibly cruel. I swear, I 21:27 said to Tan Kukyong, " 21:29 >> Tan, I met him at diplomatic receptions 21:31 because I was the managing editor of a 21:33 newspaper in Medan. 21:35 >> I told him that if your newspaper 21:38 >> dares to bring up the issues regarding 21:40 Peter Borsi, thus disrupting his duty 21:42 of training 21:43 >> h 21:44 >> my men." 21:44 >> Yes. My war, my war, 21:47 >> I cannot, I cannot be responsible for 21:49 your safety. Why? Because many of those 21:52 swimmers were thugs, that's the term 21:54 for them, 21:56 >> whom I wanted to civilize, and they 21:58 became civilized; 21:59 >> yes, they called me 'Bang Nuim' with 22:02 respect and so on. 22:04 >> But when I left for London in June 1964 22:06 , a month later Peter Borsi was 22:08 expelled from Medan; well, it couldn't 22:10 be helped due to communist power. So 22:14 the evil of the communists is indeed 22:16 inhumane. When I returned from the BBC 22:20 in 1967 to Medan, 22:21 >> I 22:22 >> met my friends, 22:24 >> they said 22:26 >> that if Bang Nuim had been here during 22:28 the September G30S incident, they would 22:30 surely have hounded Bang Nuim. Bang 22:33 Nuim would have been one of the victims 22:35 . 22:36 >> But as they said, " 22:37 >> I swear to God, I am, I am not lying." 22:41 Ah, that is, they were so steadfast, 22:44 they were, what to say, ideologically 22:46 committed. I hear many people saying 22:50 they still exist today. But, I don't 22:53 know, maybe Bang Nuim has a different 22:55 opinion on this because this idea is 22:57 still ongoing. There were figures in 23:01 the past, were there differences among 23:03 them, like Tan Malaka with his Madilog? 23:08 That is also an analysis that seems, 23:10 well, we are in an era of hedonism and 23:12 pragmatism now. Regarding this 23:16 steadfastness, Bang. 23:18 >> Yes, Tan Malaka was a more 23:20 nationalistic person. 23:22 >> Oh yes, different. 23:23 >> Compared to Aidit's communism, which 23:25 was very international, 23:27 >> as the third-largest communist party in 23:29 the world after the PRC and the Soviet 23:31 Union. 23:33 >> Lately, many people, especially in the 23:35 era of the seventh president, 23:39 >> seem as if there is a defense of the 23:41 PKI and so on. True. 23:43 >> I say this, 23:45 >> I have now in front of me, 23:48 >> I swear, in front of me, 23:51 >> a photocopy of Harian Rakyat Jakarta. 23:54 >> Wow. 23:55 >> Harian Rakyat Jakarta. A newspaper. H 23:57 >> newspaper 23:58 >> dated October 1, 1965. 24:02 >> Oh. H. What? 24:04 >> Inside, on the front page, 24:06 >> with 24:09 >> a large headline, Lieutenant Colonel 24:11 Untung. Commander of the Cakra Birawa 24:15 Battalion saves President Soekarno and 24:17 the Republic of Indonesia 24:20 >> from the COUP 24:21 >> Hm. 24:22 >> Council of Generals. 24:23 >> Generals. Oh, slander. That is what was 24:25 highlighted. 24:26 >> So the communists were defending here. 24:29 >> Defending here, the communists and 24:31 their cartoons, their caricatures were 24:33 extraordinary, showing how great the 24:35 PKI's resistance was against 24:36 Indonesia's enemies, including the 24:38 United States and so on. But remember, 24:42 Harian Rakyat was a communist newspaper 24:44 , a PKI newspaper in Jakarta on October 24:47 1, 1965, I have the photocopy in front 24:49 of me. 24:50 >> What do you want to say? History goes 24:54 on, yes. That is how history goes. 24:57 Sometimes this has to happen, you know, 24:59 because the current millennial 25:01 generation is distorted by the 25:07 abundance of information going back and 25:09 forth, and this is why a generation 25:11 needs to keep going, like Bang Nuim's 25:13 consistency in swimming. You still swim 25:16 to this day, Bang Nuim. 25:19 >> That's for health, what can I do, I'm 25:21 approaching 88, if I don't take care of 25:23 this body 25:24 >> it could collapse. 25:29 >> Now, Bang Nuim, the Australia story is 25:31 certainly not something just anyone can 25:33 tell. Currently, the Constitutional 25:36 Court (MK) hearing is also discussing a 25:38 diploma from Australia. What do you 25:42 make of this whole confusing situation, 25:44 Bang Nuim? Because Gibran allegedly 25:47 went to school there, and in the 12th 25:49 grade at that. How do you see it, Bang? 25:52 >> Yes, that has become an issue because 25:54 >> there is this person, I am in Melbourne 25:57 , who said Gibran was in Sydney, yes, 25:59 previously there was UTS. Now it is no 26:01 longer there. 26:03 >> What is known according to one source 26:05 >> is that there is no, I don't know the 26:07 connection, there really isn't one. Yes 26:09 . 26:09 >> There is a source saying that in that 26:11 place, in that area 26:13 >> there used to be a drug rehabilitation 26:15 clinic. But I don't know what the 26:18 connection is. Why people tell stories 26:20 about that, I don't know. There is just 26:22 a person who says 26:24 >> they once acted as a kind of driver. 26:26 Asked by 26:28 >> by Gibran to be a driver and so on. 26:31 According to this person 26:33 >> Gibran was actually not in Sydney for 26:35 long, only 6 months. I know nothing 26:38 about that because it was in Sydney and 26:40 there was no news about it and so forth 26:42 . 26:42 >> But if it is said that it is about 26:44 equality, well this is what must 26:47 >> be many things that perhaps raise 26:48 questions 26:50 >> up until now, questions before there is 26:51 a decision from the Constitutional 26:53 Court. Is it truly certain that Gibran 26:56 really studied there? We do not know. 26:59 Because it's like this. Hm. 27:02 >> The problem is why, for example, when 27:09 >> the Constitutional Court, which was led 27:11 by his uncle—not Gibran's uncle, but 27:13 the man who married his aunt, or as 27:15 people say, his aunt— 27:19 >> namely Anwar Usman. 27:20 >> When he became Chief Justice of the 27:22 Constitutional Court and decided to 27:24 change the rule that someone under 40 27:25 years old could run. Nobody made a fuss 27:27 . Everyone accepted it. Oh, that is the 27:29 decision 27:30 >> done. Once the Court makes a decision, 27:32 it cannot be negotiated anymore. Now, 27:34 currently 27:35 >> the Court hasn't even made a decision, 27:37 yet people are already saying it can't 27:39 be this, it can't be that. Well, so 27:41 this is just for us two, right. Now, if 27:44 we talk about consistency, it means 27:46 walking a straight path; *ihdiniratal 27:48 mustaqim*is important. So, do not 27:50 accept it on one side, but then say it 27:52 cannot be done on the other. We must 27:54 not do things like that. We must be 27:57 consistent in this matter and we wait 27:59 for the Court's decision, then we 28:00 accept it. But there are oddities 28:05 >> that raise questions which make us 28:07 doubt this equality. 28:13 >> It's not that, if he is a professor of 28:15 equality, this is actually important 28:17 because even within the country, 28:18 information from sources deemed 28:20 knowledgeable about GB is rather 28:22 conflicting. Now, let's wait and see if 28:27 the Constitutional Court can indeed 28:29 reach a decision in this case. Will the 28:34 Constitutional Court later consider 28:36 whether the decision it takes could 28:38 cause a bit of, well, chaos? God only 28:42 knows. But there is the saying, uphold 28:45 justice. Even if the heavens fall 28:48 because of it. Here it is. 28:50 >> Ah, yes. Extraordinary. Indeed, this 28:53 issue of justice has become a specter. 28:55 In various places. Bang Noim, recently 28:59 it was World Teachers 'Day. The senior 29:04 Rasil listeners vividly remember their 29:06 English teacher from Australia, and 29:07 they still keep their books. When I 29:11 visited Batam and the Riau Islands, 29:13 they remembered it very well. What 29:16 would you like to convey on this 29:18 Teacher's Day, and also as a teacher 29:20 yourself, if I'm not mistaken, Bang 29:22 Nuim? What would you like to remind all 29:26 the listeners of our radio station of? 29:30 Israel has added three more listeners, 29:32 Bang. What is happening here? From 29:34 Canada to New Zealand, too. Please, 29:37 Bang Nuim. Life, Bang. 29:40 >> Perhaps to note that I am not allowed 29:42 to enter Israel. 29:46 >> Teachers. 29:48 >> Teachers are extraordinary. Hm. 29:50 >> Because they guide us deep down. 29:54 >> In our culture, it is said. 29:56 >> A teacher's influence is extraordinary. 29:59 >> So if the teacher stands, 30:02 >> the students run. Imagine how powerful 30:05 that is. 30:06 >> Yes. So a teacher has. 30:09 >> The ability to guide and educate. So, 30:13 until now, I cannot forget my teachers, 30:15 like the one I mentioned, Partap. I 30:19 once met him in New Delhi. Wow, I was 30:21 so proud of him. 30:23 >> Yes, yes, yes. I am proud of him 30:27 because he was so kind, so good, that. 30:31 >> He could guide me and my friends. 30:34 >> Until there were 19 of us among those 30:36 who participated. Because our exams 30:38 were as I wrote in. 30:40 >> My memoir about my school. 30:43 >> That our exams. 30:45 >> Were they equated or not, God knows, 30:47 but the questions came from the 30:49 University of Cambridge in England. 30:52 >> So it was uniform all over the world 30:54 like that. 30:54 >> This happened in 1957. The people who 30:58 proctored the exams were from the 31:00 British consulate in Medan. So it 31:03 wasn't the school. Yes. 31:04 >> The questions all came from England. In 31:08 English, in various subjects. 31:10 >> Yes. 31:13 >> Now, even though many took part, 31:15 somehow only 19 people passed from 31:17 Medan, at the school, and one of them 31:19 was me, his student, Partap's. He must 31:25 have been proud too, although not too 31:26 good, but proud because 19 of his 31:28 students passed. With that. So, 31:33 teachers truly play an incredibly 31:35 important role, and we see that even in 31:37 the religion of Islam, the Prophet said 31:40 , "Convey from me, even if it is just 31:42 one verse, one word from me, convey it 31:44 to others." Now, this teacher conveys 31:49 >> teachings like these. 31:52 >> That is why teachers hold such an 31:54 extraordinary position in our lives. I 31:57 remember 31:57 >> yes 31:58 >> when I was invited by a friend because 32:00 he wanted to marry off his son 32:03 >> in Mecca. 32:04 >> Hm. 32:06 >> I was accompanying a person named at 32:08 that time Makmun. 32:12 >> H. 32:13 >> Yes. He was an extraordinary person, it 32:15 seems. Yes, very, very extraordinary, 32:19 and even though he was from Indonesia, 32:21 he was highly respected. When we 32:25 arrived at a boarding school where? In 32:28 Mecca, there were so many students from 32:30 Indonesia 32:33 >> the teacher at that boarding school was 32:35 a tall, big man, if I'm not mistaken 32:37 named Alwi. 32:39 >> Yes. This person stood up, the Arab man 32:41 stood up and immediately approached 32:43 Mbah Mun 32:44 >> and immediately kissed his hand. As an 32:47 Arab, kissing the hand is an 32:48 extraordinary sign of honor. There is 32:51 an Arab proverb, if I'm not mistaken, 32:53 that says the hand you cannot break, 32:55 you must kiss. 32:57 >> Mashallah. 33:00 >> So Mbah Mun was that extraordinary. So 33:03 this was his memory of Mbah Mun as a 33:04 teacher. Even though he himself was an 33:07 ustadz, a sheikh 33:08 >> in Saudi Arabia. This shows how 33:10 important a teacher is. Therefore, when 33:14 we hear about how honorary teachers and 33:16 others who 33:20 >> do not get the opportunity to live 33:22 decently and so on, I think this is 33:23 something that will be a very big 33:25 responsibility for us in the future. 33:29 Heh. 33:30 >> Because it is these teachers who will 33:32 provide education, not just teaching, 33:34 but education. In this case, it is very 33:38 significant. Therefore, teachers must 33:41 be served, must be treated with great 33:43 respect because they are more than that 33:45 . Because I remember back in the 33:50 village, if our parents saw us being 33:52 scolded or hit by a teacher, they would 33:54 say, "Good, thank God," you know, now a 33:59 teacher. Right. Yes. Yes. So teachers 34:01 are extraordinary. 34:03 >> Mashallah. Mashallah. Bang Nuim. Time 34:08 is what separates us; hopefully, Allah 34:10 grants extraordinary steadfastness to 34:12 Nuim Hayat, our senior citizen who 34:14 always accompanies the listeners of 34:16 Radio Silaturahim. Closing statement, 34:20 Bang Nuim. What is your final advice, 34:22 Bang Nuim? Yes, 34:24 >> I heard, yes, so there were some 34:26 British people who 34:28 >> then converted to Islam, they returned 34:30 to Islam. 34:30 >> Yeah. H. 34:33 >> He said, "Imagine," he said, there is a 34:35 key that when we open it, the key opens 34:37 a door. 34:40 >> Even what opens it 34:42 >> is al-Fatihah. 34:45 >> This key brings healing. This key 34:49 provides us with guidance. This key is 34:52 Ar-Rahman Ar-Rahim. This key is 34:55 forgiveness. This key is protection. 35:00 And all of this is encompassed within 35:02 Bismillahirrahmanirrahim. 35:04 Alhamdulillahi rabbil alamin up to 35:06 walad-dhaallin. Amen. 35:09 >> So remember, whenever you have the 35:11 chance, also recite al-Fatihah. That is 35:13 important. Mashallah. Thank you, 35:15 Brother Nuim Hayat. May this serve as a 35:18 guide for listeners who tuned in to our 35:20 talk this morning. See you next Friday. 35:24 God willing, may you have a long life 35:25 filled with blessings. Assalamu alaikum 35:27 warahmatullahi wabarakatuh, Brother 35:29 Nuim Hayat. 35:30 >> Wa alaikumussalam warahmatullahi taala 35:32 wabarakatuh. 
