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0:08 Brail TV. 0:16 Peace be upon you, Bang Dulah. How are 0:18 you? 0:20 Peace be upon you too, Mas Ihsan. 0:23 Praise be to God. 0:24 Praise be to God for this blessed 0:25 Friday, Bang. Oh, it seems there are 0:29 many stories today, Bang Dulah. There 0:33 is a "miracle man." 0:35 That is what the echelon-1 officials 0:38 said when revealing the track record of 0:41 the minister who was just recently 0:43 dismissed. Yes, what has Bang Abdullah 0:47 heard about the story behind this? Has 0:51 this "Hang Henghong" become a concern? 0:53 Because it seems meritocracy is 0:56 becoming an increasingly rare tale in 1:00 our world. Ah, besides that, they call 1:03 them "miracle men." And at the National 1:07 Land Agency (BPN) yesterday, there was 1:09 a cool program, a 10-day pioneer, 1:10 meaning the transfer of rights becomes 1:12 fast. But it seems this 10-day program 1:15 is actually what's causing problems at 1:17 the BPN. Whoa. Especially with someone 1:19 who has already been to the KPK three 1:21 times, right? His name is Fahad Arafik. 1:25 I remember his song; don't tell me what 1:28 happened to his child is the same. Ah, 1:31 Bang Dulah. This country is truly 1:34 extraordinary, and it seems there is a 1:36 shadow cabinet. Maybe not just at the 1:38 BPN, later in others too. What does 1:42 Bang Dulah see from the experience of 1:44 clean people in Indonesia, to the point 1:47 where Mr. Jimly even proposed a law on 1:50 state ethics? Wow, in terms of rules, 1:54 we are already extraordinary. Perhaps 1:56 Bang Dulah can explain. And finally, 1:59 Bang Dulah, why have village heads 2:01 become like this? They were already 2:03 given 6 years, and now they want it for 2:05 life; what is happening? Why aren't 2:08 they thinking about income or village 2:10 funds being injected, or how? But the 2:12 important thing is the position. What 2:14 would Bang Dulah like to remind all 2:16 Silaturahim radio listeners? Please go 2:19 ahead, Bang Abdullah, for the next 30 2:21 minutes. Alright, to the listeners of 2:24 Silaturahim, who are hopefully blessed 2:26 by Allah Ta'ala on this blessed Friday 2:28 morning. First, when the KPK 2:35 established a strategy, namely changing 2:39 the system in state governance, both 2:44 central and regional, in 2006, what is 2:51 called bureaucratic reform, the first 2:53 step is the recruitment of civil 2:55 servants (ASN/PNS) who have integrity 2:57 and are professional. Yes. Second, how 3:03 remuneration provides welfare—not 3:05 just a large nominal amount, but true 3:08 welfare. 3:11 Third, IT functionalization that is 3:14 truly useful universally, whether at 3:16 the village, sub-district, regency, 3:19 provincial, or national level. And 3:24 fourth, the management of natural 3:26 resources based on Article 33 of the 3:28 1945 Constitution. It turns out, Mas 3:32 Ihsan, that it is still being drafted 3:35 and hasn't even reached 10%. 3:39 Ministries, state institutions, and 3:41 central to regional governments are 3:44 implementing the bureaucratic reform 3:46 proposed by the KPK since 2007. That is 3:52 why what we just found out happened 3:54 regarding the dismissal of the Minister 3:58 , then the BPN case, and dozens of 4:00 others that will follow. 4:04 Like that. Because this is like what we 4:09 see in the ocean, a structure 4:12 underneath is tall, where only a small 4:16 part appears on the surface, but 4:20 underneath, in the Banda Sea which is 4:24 over 1000 meters deep, there is so much 4:28 of that broken structure. 4:33 So, one perceived sin of Purbaya is 4:36 carrying out a purge of the Ministry of 4:39 Finance, specifically the Directorate 4:42 General of Taxes and the Directorate 4:45 General of Customs and Excise. Two 4:49 directorates general that are indeed 4:51 very lucrative. 4:52 H 4:54 And I remember when I was still at the 4:56 KPK, my colleagues came to conduct a 4:58 sting operation at Tanjung Priok. 5:01 It was extraordinary. Some stored money 5:06 inside socks, some inside shoes, and 5:09 some stored money in hangers, say, 5:13 behind pictures or other things hanging 5:17 on the walls. So, that is the Customs 5:22 and Excise office, where we know there 5:25 is incredible import and export 5:27 activity. For example, he 5:31 when people bring goods, whether it's 5:34 wood or anything else from Sumatra all 5:37 the way to Tanjung Priok, it's strange 5:40 and miraculous, only found in Indonesia 5:43 . Where they are told that the export 5:50 invoice must be doubled. So, for 5:55 instance, if it’s 1 ton, they are 5:58 told to state 2 tons. Anything? Whether 6:01 it's wood, coal, or whatever. Why? From 6:06 South Sumatra or West Sumatra to 6:09 Tanjung Priok, they have to prepare 6:12 matchboxes, the cardboard kind of 6:15 matches. 6:18 That could be up to 100, maybe more 6:21 than 100 boxes. 6:23 Inside those boxes. 6:27 Passing through one checkpoint, they 6:30 hand over one box, so if one box holds 6:33 50, from Sumatra to Jakarta, just 6:35 imagine how many that is. So, to 6:40 anticipate that, they are advised to 6:44 state 2 tons, so they are taught by the 6:49 Customs officers themselves. Now, then 6:56 improvements were made, but it turned 6:58 out to be just like an iceberg, only 7:01 the tip, while the bottom remained 7:03 unresolved. Because of that, the system 7:06 is what actually needs to be changed. 7:10 Mas Ihsan, remember a few years ago, 7:13 Rafael, the Tax official who committed 7:16 money laundering, he did some things, 7:19 and eventually 7:22 because of the incident where he hit 7:24 someone, the case was uncovered. Now, 7:28 Purbaya is trying to bring order to the 7:32 echelon 1, 2, and 3 officials. There 7:36 are hundreds of people 7:37 in the ministry 7:41 4 and that is indeed a disaster, not 7:45 just a disaster in NTT or Anak Krakatau 7:48 volcano that 7:51 is raging like that. But maybe that is 7:55 Anak Krakatau being made angry by a 7:59 woman 8:01 like that. 8:03 So the resistance from those echelon 1 8:05 people against what Purbaya is doing is 8:07 one thing. The second thing, I think 8:12 Prabowo is a president who lacks the 8:15 ethical values of a statesman. 8:19 He thinks he is a general. So he feels 8:23 free to order his subordinates to, 8:25 let's say, jump—if there is a ravine, 8:28 he tells his subordinates to jump into 8:31 that ravine. So that military style is 8:36 very different from, for example, the 8:38 style of his father-in-law, who was 8:41 also a general but used meritocratic 8:43 methods within the government. 8:47 Meanwhile, Prabowo, it means that while 8:49 the prerogative right rests with the 8:51 president, there is also something 8:53 called ethics, 8:55 there is what is called 8:57 the matter of manners. Yeah. 9:01 Especially since we are Eastern people, 9:03 no matter how we want to, let's say, 9:05 kick someone out of our house, we use 9:08 language that is polite and so on. " 9:12 Sorry, I need to rest, excuse me, I 9:14 need to go to the back," and so on, 9:16 which makes Indonesians very polite, 9:18 they can understand language like that. 9:22 Imagine that Mr. Purba was conducting 9:25 an official meeting 9:27 on behalf of the state with the DPD to 9:29 discuss things. But perhaps that is 9:33 also Purbaya's weakness. Then 9:36 announcing there are so many, what do 9:37 you call it, what kind of iron factory 9:41 iron factories like that. 9:44 But perhaps that is the condition of 9:46 Indonesia. People are not allowed to be 9:49 honest, people are not allowed to be 9:51 straightforward, people have to be 9:53 hypocritical, people have to be, well, 9:55 all sorts of things like that. 9:57 Now, because of that, there is 9:59 political fighting. So actually, this 10:03 removal of Purba is a political aspect 10:06 caused by the extraordinary corruption 10:09 conditions like that. Whereas I 10:14 remember very well back when I was 10:16 still at the KPK and then, Mas Ihsan, 10:18 during my first leadership meeting, 10:22 I proposed arresting several police 10:24 generals 10:25 in Indonesia like that. Let's say from 10:29 Western Indonesia, Central Indonesia, 10:31 Eastern Indonesia, we arrest one 10:32 general each. 10:34 One of the KPK leaders said, "Why, Mr. 10:36 Abdullah, do you want to arrest several 10:37 generals?" I said, the Hong Kong KPK 10:40 did that. When the Hong Kong ICAC was 10:43 formed, 10:43 they disbanded the police. They 10:45 disbanded the police force. After that, 10:49 to handle public order issues, they 10:51 selected only the good police officers. 10:56 And today, history records globally 10:58 that Hong Kong is one of the cleanest 11:00 countries regarding corruption and so 11:02 on. But at that time, one of the 11:06 leaders told me, "Mr. Abdullah, in Hong 11:08 Kong, the prosecutors were good, the 11:11 judges were imported from England, and 11:13 then it succeeded. If here, the police 11:17 are like that, the prosecutors are like 11:18 that, the judges are like that, so what 11:20 happens? Just like that." 11:23 Well, exactly. 11:25 So this is a matter of law enforcement 11:27 institutions and law enforcement 11:29 officials. Therefore, I suggested in 11:32 one of my books that when appointing 11:34 heads of state institutions—whether 11:37 it's the KPK, the Supreme Court, the 11:40 Constitutional Court, the National 11:42 Police Chief, or the TNI Commander— 11:45 all those state institutions should not 11:47 have their fit and proper tests 11:50 conducted by the DPR. 11:52 Hm. Yeah. 11:53 Why? Because if it's by the DPR, 11:56 meanwhile to become a member of the DPR 11:58 costs tens of billions, even hundreds 12:01 of billions. 12:03 to become members of the DPR, so they 12:06 need a kickback or money back to, you 12:09 know, recover the funds spent during 12:12 their campaign; thus, in my opinion, 12:14 they should only decide to accept or 12:17 reject candidates for heads of state 12:20 institutions. Why? Because the 1945 12:25 Constitution states they have three 12:28 rights: legislation, budgeting, and the 12:32 right to control. H 12:35 That way, the heads of state 12:37 institutions go through the DPR, but 12:39 they only perform the process of 12:41 accepting or rejecting, not fit and 12:44 proper tests. 12:46 Where is the final result? The 12:48 selection committee is proposed by the 12:50 public, universities, state 12:52 institutions, and so on, by people who 12:54 I call, Mas Insan, barely 12:56 distinguishable from angels. So that is 13:00 what is final and only brought to the 13:03 DPR to formally reject or accept, like 13:06 that. So then, the heads of state 13:10 institutions and even ministers and so 13:12 on are also free from the issue of 13:15 reciprocating favors to DPR members and 13:17 so on. Mas Insan, during Jokowi's 13:22 second term, h 13:24 a UI lecturer was invited for a fit and 13:27 proper test. 13:29 Yes. 13:29 It turned out he wasn't chosen. Why? 13:33 Because the one who was chosen paid 13:35 more to the president than he did, like 13:37 that. 13:39 Well, eventually, as compensation, he 13:41 was offered to be an ambassador. Now, 13:44 this person is a lecturer at a 13:45 well-known university in Indonesia. 13:48 Friends said, "Why be an ambassador? 13:50 It's better to just be a lecturer, 13:52 become a professor," that is the 13:56 problem. So, a process occurred that 14:01 was interconnected. Now, because of 14:06 that, if we say there must be asset 14:09 forfeiture, there must be the death 14:12 penalty, actually, it is already in the 14:15 Corruption Eradication Law. 14:20 Article 2, Paragraph 2 states that in 14:21 certain circumstances, the death 14:23 penalty can be carried out. It's just 14:27 that laws made in Indonesia from the 14:29 Old Order, New Order, until now are 14:31 always prepared. There is an emergency 14:35 exit for those concerned, like that. 14:39 Because when you read the explanation 14:41 of Article 2, Paragraph 2 of the 14:43 Corruption Law, what is meant by " 14:45 certain circumstances"? Certain 14:47 circumstances are when a national 14:49 natural disaster occurs or we are 14:51 attacked by another country. So, that 14:53 is what I said, if so, we pray that 14:56 from Aceh to West Papua, a disaster 14:58 happens all at once, then we use the... 15:03 This is a disaster, as Bahlil said, 15:05 when Fahd Arafiq became a KPK patient 15:08 three times, how could that be, brother 15:10 ? How, brother? This is a story like 15:15 this, brother. 15:17 There was a governor who became a KPK 15:21 patient. Uh-huh. 15:23 After getting out of prison, he was 15:27 then re-elected as a DPD member. 15:32 After that, he was imprisoned again for 15:35 a second case, but not a KPK one, Agung 15:38 . 15:38 After that, he was released. Well, in 15:41 the 2024 election yesterday, he was 15:44 elected as a DPD member again. So this 15:46 is the problem. 15:49 The problem is that our society lacks 15:51 sensitivity 15:54 towards the condition of the state, the 15:56 nation, and the issue of corruption, 15:57 like that. Well, therefore, it then 16:01 depends on the grassroots society who 16:05 hope once every 5 years, what you call 16:08 it, to be paid a certain amount, and so 16:11 on, even though that actually harms 16:14 them themselves. Therefore, 16:17 anti-corruption education needs to be 16:20 carried out starting from home, then 16:22 school, then organizations, society, 16:25 and so on. This is sad, Mas Ihsan, 16:29 because when corruptors are released 16:31 from prison, they are welcomed like war 16:33 heroes. This is a sad issue. Therefore, 16:40 I often say that in order for 16:42 corruption to be eradicated, there must 16:44 be cooperation from all parties. For 16:48 example, parents should not marry off 16:50 their children to the families of 16:52 corruptors. 16:54 Or, for example, if a corruptor has any 16:56 kind of event, birthdays or weddings, 16:58 do not attend if invited. And then, do 17:02 not date, do not have in-laws or be in 17:04 a relationship with the family of a 17:06 corruptor. In fact, in one of my books, 17:10 I even said that if a corruptor dies, 17:12 do not pay your respects. Do not pay 17:14 your respects. because of that I think 17:18 it is enough if only their family 17:20 carries it out. 17:22 When Umar ibn Khattab was caliph, if 17:24 someone died, he would not go to pay 17:27 his respects before he knew that the 17:29 Keeper of the Prophet's Secrets had 17:31 come to pay his respects. If the Keeper 17:34 of the Prophet's Secrets came, that 17:36 meant the person was good. So Umar 17:37 would pay his respects. But if the 17:39 Keeper of the Prophet's Secrets did not 17:41 pay his respects, then Umar would not 17:43 go either because that meant the person 17:45 was problematic. So, leaders must also 17:49 show how such sanctions work. Now, what 17:54 Prabowo is doing is something that 17:57 contradicts what Umar did as a form of 18:00 social sanction. But I think that is 18:06 just how Prabowo is. Because in one 18:09 video he said, "My kiais, my teachers 18:12 told me, 'Hey Prabowo, don't forget 18:15 that before you die, you must recite 18:17 the Shahada.'""And I have already 18:21 recited the Shahada three or four times 18:23 ." 18:24 There are even those who compare him to 18:26 Umar bin Abdul Aziz, right? Does 18:29 Prabowo pray like that? We recite the 18:32 Shahada every time we pray during the 18:35 Tashahhud. This means there are two 18:38 possibilities: he does not understand 18:41 Islamic teachings, or he indeed never 18:43 prays. So, what kind of Islam is 18:46 Prabowo's? I, what should I say, I 18:50 really pity the Council of Ulama, I 18:52 really pity, what do you call it, 18:54 religion that produces books like this. 19:01 that. 19:02 MasyaAllah, Bang Dula. It seems 19:04 yes, cooperatives. It reminds me, these 19:08 red cooperatives, corruption has 19:09 perhaps already reached the villages. 19:13 These villages, their money is being 19:14 sucked up by what is that, the red and 19:16 white cooperatives, but he does not 19:18 discuss village money issues or 19:19 anything. He comes back again to 19:22 discuss the issue, it has already been 19:24 6 years times 3, 18 years of being in 19:26 power, and he even wants it to be 19:28 forever. How does Bang Dula see this? 19:33 Is it meritocracy, and is it usually 19:35 intertwined with nepotism? What is 19:40 wrong with our nation that even village 19:42 heads, not just the leaders above them, 19:45 want to hold power indefinitely? They 19:48 have no fear of the afterlife. What do 19:50 you think, Bang Dua? So, when Jokowi 19:54 issued what is called the Job Creation 19:58 Law, 20:00 that was a disaster for Indonesia 20:03 because the Job Creation Law removed 20:06 the substance of regional autonomy. 20:10 Everything is determined by the central 20:12 government like that. 20:14 So, the cases of natural disasters in 20:16 Aceh, West Sumatra, and then North 20:18 Sumatra 20:20 those 20:22 are precisely because the projects 20:24 called PSNs were determined by the 20:26 center. In the past, if a company 20:29 wanted to conduct an investment 20:31 activity or any project, it had to have 20:33 the permission of the regional head, 20:34 mayor, regent, or governor. The Job 20:37 Creation Law doesn't have everything 20:39 determined by the center. 20:42 That is the reason why Prabowo later 20:44 rejected demands to declare a national 20:46 disaster for Aceh, West Sumatra, and 20:49 North Sumatra. So, the impact is that 20:54 the authority of the regional 20:56 government is reduced, including that 20:59 of village heads and village 21:02 cooperatives, which incredibly 21:05 eliminates the potential that exists in 21:08 those regions. Whether it’s fishermen 21:12 , farmers, and so on, including village 21:14 heads. Therefore, when there was an 21:17 order for the militarization of 21:19 cooperatives, some village heads got 21:22 annoyed, so they built village 21:24 cooperatives in the middle of the 21:26 forest where there are no human beings, 21:33 just tigers, elephants, and animals 21:35 shopping like that because they were 21:38 under such pressure. But the problem is 21:42 when they become village heads. Then, 21:47 back before—what was it—the early 21:53 2000s during the SBY era, 21:58 I was in a kind of technical guidance 22:01 for village heads 22:03 in the province of, uh, Lampung, 22:07 I forgot which regency. And then 22:10 someone from the Ministry of Home 22:12 Affairs was present there. 22:14 I was the first resource person. I said 22:16 that in one village, a village head 22:18 position in the Tegal area cost 1 22:20 billion. 22:22 At that time, it was still in the early 22:24 2000s during the SBY era. Then the 22:28 Ministry of Home Affairs person 22:30 interrupted, "Mr. Abdullah, in Bekasi 22:31 it's 3 billion, and in Tangerang it's 5 22:33 billion," like that for a village head. 22:37 For a village head. 22:38 During the break, then what was it? 22:41 During the break, a participant said, " 22:44 Mr. Abdullah, in Bogor it's 7 billion," 22:46 like that. This is for a village head. 22:49 So if a village head alone spends 22:51 billions like that, what about regents 22:53 and mayors? So finally, a process 22:57 occurs. If, for example, it's only 6 23:00 years, 16 years, then what is the 23:03 return? How much money was spent? Like, 23:06 if it cost 10 billion and the salary is 23:08 only so much, then how much must be 23:10 taken, like that. That is one of the 23:13 reasons they are asking for a lifetime 23:14 term. Now, if it's for life, that means 23:17 acting like Pharaoh. Yet, if one wanted 23:21 to become like Pharaoh, it is possible; 23:23 our people, our society, our officials, 23:25 and even Muslims often forget about 23:27 Pharaoh's true behavior. Pharaoh was 23:30 still kind-hearted. I read his history; 23:33 he would not sleep at night before 23:35 ensuring that the people of Egypt were 23:38 not cold, hungry, or thirsty. He would 23:41 go around the city of Egypt. That is 23:44 how Pharaoh truly paid attention to 23:46 things. The only mistake Pharaoh made 23:48 was that he claimed divinity for 23:50 himself. He did not acknowledge Allah. 23:55 But in matters of social governance, he 23:57 was very attentive. So, if village 24:01 heads, for instance, demand lifetime 24:04 tenure, they surpass Pharaoh, yet they 24:07 fail to perform their duties as Pharaoh 24:10 did. How could the people not be 24:14 neglected, and so on? This is what I 24:18 often say: we do not hate the world, 24:21 but we should keep the world in our 24:24 hands, not in our hearts. If we keep it 24:29 in our hands, it is fine if it slips 24:30 away; our hearts remain focused on the 24:32 afterlife. That is why the Prophet 24:35 Muhammad said, "Pursue the world as if 24:37 you will live forever, and pursue the 24:39 afterlife as if you will die tomorrow." 24:42 Die. 24:44 So, if we are to die tomorrow, then 24:45 wealth and worldly things should only 24:47 be in our hands, not in our hearts, 24:49 because we are dying tomorrow. Like 24:51 that. This is a problem of regulation 24:54 from the central government. It all 24:56 comes down to the president. It is 24:58 about how the president recruits their 25:01 ministers. And then, how they instruct 25:04 their parties to ensure that in local 25:06 elections, the governors, regents, and 25:08 mayors are people of faith and piety. 25:12 That is why I always say everywhere 25:14 that the only way is to return to the 25:17 original system, where governors and 25:20 regents are not chosen by us in direct 25:23 elections, but by the regional 25:25 legislative bodies. If money politics 25:29 still exists, then what happened to the 25:31 Malang City Council a few years ago 25:34 might recur; the KPK arrested an entire 25:36 busload—42 out of 45 members—all on 25:39 one bus. Yes. 25:41 Therefore, first, the cost of elections 25:44 would be lower, but if money politics 25:47 occurred, it could be processed by the 25:50 KPK. It is not like today, where 25:54 village heads want lifetime tenure, and 25:57 even at the neighborhood level, in my 26:00 area, to be elected as a neighborhood 26:03 head (RT). 26:05 One has to pave nearly 1 km of road 26:09 with personal money just to become an 26:13 RT head; apparently, there is an 26:16 honorarium for it now, so people 26:19 compete for it; this shows our society 26:23 is sick from top to bottom. But if the 26:29 president were firm like Umar bin 26:31 Khattab, for instance, then the people 26:33 would think twice before committing the 26:35 wrongdoings we see today. That is it, 26:39 Ustadzah, Masha Allah, thank you 26:41 Ustadzah, it has been extraordinary, 26:43 Bang Dula, we have been talking for 26:45 exactly 30 minutes this morning. Thank 26:48 you, Bang Dula. God willing, we will 26:49 meet again next Friday. 26:50 Wassalamu'alaikum warahmatullahi 26:52 wabarakatuh, Bang. 26:53 Waalaikumsalam warahmatullahi 26:55 wabarakatuh. 
