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0:05 Brail TV. 0:12 Brothers and sisters, may Allah 0:13 Subhanahu wa ta'ala have mercy on you. 0:14 We have arrived at our special dialogue 0:16 session for the Monday edition of our 0:17 news topic. We are now connected with 0:20 our guest, Bang Nuim Hayat, from 0:21 Melbourne, Australia. Hello. Peace be 0:24 upon you, Bang Nuim. And peace be upon 0:29 you too. How are you? 0:31 Praise be to God, I am well. I hope you 0:32 are always healthy as well, Bang Nuim. 0:35 Amen. Amen. 0:36 Amen, O Lord of the Worlds. Alright, 0:38 Bang Nuim. Our dialogue this morning 0:40 accompanies our listeners wherever they 0:42 may be. We are highlighting the issues 0:44 that have developed over the past week. 0:47 Last Tuesday, right? Last Tuesday. This 0:52 was an event that went viral and became 0:55 a public discussion for days when Ustaz 0:58 Abdul Somad was denied entry into 1:01 Singapore. How do you view the 1:05 situation, Bang Nuim, when the 1:06 Singapore Ministry of Home Affairs 1:08 stated on its website that there were 1:10 four reasons why Ustaz Abdul Somad was 1:12 not allowed to enter? One of them was 1:14 that his sermons tend to label other 1:16 religions as infidels. So, non-Muslims 1:18 are referred to as 'kafir'(infidels), 1:20 among other reasons. How do you see 1:23 Singapore's stance? Because here in 1:25 Indonesia, the figures are divided, 1:26 aren't they? Some support Singapore's 1:29 stance, while others defend Ustaz Abdul 1:31 Somad. What is your observation on this 1:32 , Bang Nuim? 1:34 Well, the use of that term is already 1:37 standard; it is well-established. There 1:41 are verses, for example, a chapter in 1:43 the Quran called Al-Kafirun, referring 1:46 to those who not only disbelieve but, 1:49 according to Arabic linguists, cover 1:51 the truth. So, if it is said that in 1:56 Islam, Allah Subhanahu wa ta'ala states 1:58 that the truth comes from Allah 2:00 Subhanahu wa ta'ala. Whoever wishes may 2:03 believe. And whoever does not wish to, 2:06 they are 'kafir', meaning they do not 2:07 believe, they are infidels. It is just 2:09 a term, like calling someone a citizen 2:12 or a foreigner, that is all. But if 2:14 people want to blow it out of 2:15 proportion or interpret it in various 2:17 ways, go ahead. Now, the problem is, 2:20 regarding UAS, is it really true? 2:23 There is a suspicion among some circles 2:26 that Singapore has actually been 2:28 heavily influenced by intelligence from 2:31 Indonesia itself. Perhaps not 2:35 officially, but to make people who dare 2:38 to speak out, like UAS, think twice; 2:41 who knows, they might need to go to 2:43 Singapore, especially since many 2:45 Indonesians like to seek medical 2:48 treatment there. At one time, the 2:53 person who was twice Vice President, 2:56 Mr. Jusuf Kalla, mentioned how many 2:58 trillions of rupiah are spent by 3:01 Indonesians 3:03 who go abroad for medical treatment, 3:05 especially to Singapore. So Singapore 3:07 does have many cards to play. 3:10 Singapore 3:11 can, for example, unofficially and 3:13 indirectly protect people who flee with 3:15 illicit funds from Indonesia, like the 3:18 Bank Indonesia Liquidity Assistance ( 3:20 BLBI). The money taken by Sjamsul 3:22 Nursalim is protected there in 3:24 Singapore. Sjamsul Nursalim has built 3:27 all sorts of buildings there. I was 3:29 once told by a taxi driver in Singapore 3:32 , "Hey, this is owned by an Indonesian. 3:34 " I said, "Wow, that's really something 3:35 .""These rows of apartments, these 3:39 luxury apartments, are owned by 3:42 Indonesians." Well, they can protect 3:45 their assets there. One study even 3:47 stated that 3:49 the amount of money held by Indonesian 3:51 women alone in Singapore is nearly 20 3:53 billion dollars. 3:55 Oh, 3:56 that’s just the women, 3:58 let alone the men. So, Singapore plays 4:01 a clever game. They play an 4:03 extraordinary game. They are small but 4:05 mighty. 4:06 Extraordinary. They know they are 4:08 neighbors with Malaysia, which is 4:10 Muslim and quite staunchly Islamic, 4:12 and with Muslim Indonesia. But they 4:14 still bring in trainers for their air 4:16 force, for example, from Israel and 4:18 elsewhere. So, 4:21 I don’t know if it’s true, but I 4:24 once read a piece by an American 4:25 observer who said that if 4:30 something were to happen between 4:31 Malaysia and Singapore, Singapore could 4:34 wipe Malaysia off the face of the earth 4:36 in 10 hours, they said, because they 4:38 are that powerful. Heh. 4:41 Perhaps it was only during Gus Dur's 4:43 era that Singapore was a bit unhappy 4:45 with Indonesia. Because I remember at 4:47 that time there was a report, 4:50 Gus Dur said, when the late president 4:52 was in office, there was a report that 4:53 our submarine was harassed by a 4:55 Singaporean submarine. He said, "Just 4:57 shoot them." 4:59 Because Lee Kuan Yew was closest to 5:02 Soeharto, if I'm not mistaken. In one 5:07 part of his biography, he said he 5:09 really wanted to save Soeharto from 5:11 being ousted at that time. And he 5:16 asked Soeharto's children to tone it 5:18 down a bit, he said, 5:21 when the movement to oust Soeharto was 5:23 happening. But then Soeharto’s 5:25 children, including 5:26 Mbak Tutut, said, "We have the right to 5:29 keep doing business in Indonesia." Then 5:31 he said, "If so, Mr. Harto cannot be 5:33 saved." He liked Mr. Harto 5:35 because Mr. Harto was firm, 5:38 and in that era, Mr. Harto was 5:40 considered less friendly, in quotes, 5:42 towards Islam. So he was somewhat 5:45 friendly with him. Now, 5:48 perhaps he sees that because a lot of 5:51 money from Singapore enters Indonesia, 5:54 both in the form of investment and so 5:57 on, he thinks, well, he can also act 6:00 as he pleases. But it must be admitted 6:03 that a country has the right to 6:05 prohibit someone from entering its 6:07 territory. So it’s not deportation, 6:09 but a ban. This is happening right now 6:11 in Israel. 6:14 Israel is banning the leader of a 6:16 European Union commission who wants to 6:18 enter Palestine. 6:20 Yes. This is happening right now, and 6:22 they are making a fuss, well, in Europe 6:24 , they are making a fuss, but because 6:26 the one doing the banning is Israel, 6:29 perhaps they can't do anything because 6:31 Israel has extraordinary immunity. We 6:35 can just look at the shooting of the Al 6:37 Jazeera journalist who was also a US 6:40 citizen, Shireen Abu Akleh. Israel does 6:44 all sorts of things, digs here and 6:47 there, and it seems humanity believes 6:50 it, trusting Israel more than the 6:52 reality of the footage showing that 6:55 when Shireen was shot, there was no 6:57 firefight; only six shots were heard 7:00 from a sniper, and it was admitted to 7:03 be by Israel. And when Israel was asked 7:07 to investigate, they said, "Oh, it 7:08 could cause unrest within Israel itself 7:10 among the Israeli people." 7:13 So, Israel really is different from the 7:15 others; we must 7:17 dare to admit the reality that Israel 7:19 possesses extraordinary immunity and 7:21 invulnerability. But regarding 7:22 Singapore, that is their right. But why 7:25 be so afraid of a 7:27 uh, UAS? Now, they also said, "Oh, 7:29 it’s not just UAS that we have banned 7:31 from entering." Christian pastors have 7:34 also been banned from entering, they 7:36 said. So, 7:37 the use of 7:39 the word "kafir"(infidel), 7:41 the use of the words "Nasra" or " 7:43 Nasrani"(Nazarene) is now starting— 7:46 even in Indonesia itself and among some 7:49 Christians in Indonesia—they do not 7:52 accept being called Nasrani or Nasara 7:55 because they say it is an ugly term. 7:58 Yes. So they don't see that the 8:00 background is from Nazareth. 8:03 Yes. Jesus or Isa Alaih Salam was from 8:05 Nazareth. Thus, they are called Nasara, 8:07 the followers. Yes, this is 8:09 what perhaps needs to be thought about 8:11 by Muslims in Indonesia. Are their 8:14 liberties becoming increasingly 8:16 restricted? Because Islam itself, as 8:20 you know, 8:21 in the Qur'an, strictly forbids it. As 8:25 stated earlier in the news, Sutiyoso 8:27 said that religions in Indonesia are 8:29 the most harmonious and peaceful. Why 8:32 is that? Even though Muslims are the 8:33 majority, 8:34 the Qur'an is very clear in forbidding 8:38 a Muslim from disparaging the religions 8:41 of others. So if the term "kafir" is 8:44 derogatory, Muslims are certainly not 8:46 allowed to use it. 8:47 Yes. And also, as was said earlier, 8:50 it's not just UAS who has been banned 8:53 from entering; many other religious 8:55 figures have been banned as well. Then 8:58 also, as netizens, we comment that it 9:01 is indeed difficult to see how Israel 9:03 is also entrenched in Singapore, and 9:06 they are also quite lenient, it seems, 9:08 toward corruptors from Indonesia. How 9:13 can this small "little chili" country 9:16 seemingly stand up against large, 9:19 Muslim-majority countries? Bang Noim, 9:22 how do you see the global factors 9:24 themselves supporting Singapore from 9:26 the West or the East? 9:29 Well, let's not look globally, let's 9:31 look at ASEAN. 9:32 ASEAN 9:33 and Singapore are always held up as a 9:35 kind of model. This is a country that, 9:38 yes, was acknowledged comfortably by 9:40 Lee Kuan Yew. While he was still alive, 9:42 it was good. Ah, you talk about 9:43 democracy. What is democracy if it 9:45 cannot provide security? He is 9:47 convinced. So if chewing gum is not 9:49 allowed, or this and that is forbidden, 9:51 they are very firm, saying we enforce 9:52 the law in Singapore for the sake of 9:54 our interests because we are a small 9:56 country. We have no natural resources. 9:59 We are surrounded by countries with 10:01 different cultures, namely Indonesia, 10:03 Singapore, Malaysia, and so on. So they 10:06 have, let's call it a pretext, or you 10:08 could call it an excuse. And just 10:11 imagine. 10:11 Yes. When they captured those two 10:14 people back then, our commandos 10:17 assigned to Singapore for sabotage 10:19 during the confrontation. 10:22 That was after the confrontation ended. 10:26 Indonesia under Suharto at that time, 10:28 and also Benny Murdani and others, 10:30 asked Singapore, "Please, don't hang 10:32 these two men." 10:34 Because the death penalty there is by 10:36 hanging, "Just let them go, have mercy, 10:38 pardon them." 10:40 On the day of the hanging, Lee Kuan Yew 10:43 left for Canada, pretending not to hear 10:45 Indonesia's request, even though 10:47 Indonesia at the time wanted to 10:49 reconcile with Singapore, so they 10:52 wanted to show. "We cannot be bossed 10:55 around, even though you are big with 10:57 250, 270 million, we are only 3 million 10:59 , we cannot be bossed around." 11:02 They have their own strength and their 11:04 own capabilities. 11:06 And this is not even mentioning their 11:08 military strength. I met a person of 11:12 Pakistani descent from Singapore. He 11:14 came here. 11:16 And he was very intelligent, very smart 11:18 . Then I said, "Why did you come here 11:21 and now work as a house cleaner?" Well, 11:23 his business is actually quite 11:24 successful here, cleaning people's 11:26 houses and so on. 11:28 He said, "My actual dream was to become 11:30 a fighter pilot.""Then I graduated." 11:33 Hmm. "I passed the exams, but I wasn't 11:36 accepted." Why? "Because I am a Muslim. 11:38 " So I remembered what the late 11:41 President B.J. Habibie said when he was 11:44 having a conversation with Lee Kuan Yew 11:47 . He said, "You, Lee Kuan Yew, you say 11:51 we are racist towards non-indigenous 11:54 people and so on." 11:56 Hehe. 11:57 Habibie said, "You are the one who is 11:59 racist; show me just one Muslim pilot 12:01 in Singapore." That’s the story I 12:04 heard. So they have. 12:08 Extraordinary self-confidence. 12:11 Heh. Heh. 12:12 And they cannot be disturbed either. 12:14 Let's look at the person named 12:17 Samadikun Hartono, it has been said 12:19 repeatedly, he had an agent back then, 12:22 a woman in Jakarta who once bribed a... 12:27 The best prosecutor in all of Indonesia 12:29 . Heh. 12:31 Caught having accepted a bribe from 12:33 this woman. 12:34 Yeah. Yeah. 12:35 Hmm. Samadikun Hartono cannot come to 12:38 Jakarta to be held accountable for the 12:40 BLBI funds he received and did not 12:42 return. 12:43 Yes. Yes. 12:44 Yes. Because why? He cannot fly for 1 12:47 hour from Singapore to Jakarta due to 12:48 health reasons. 12:50 Yeah. Heh. 12:51 At that time, a respected media outlet 12:53 in Indonesia sent their reporter to 12:55 Singapore to check. And indeed, there 12:58 was a room at the hospital rented by 13:00 Samadikun Hartono. If I'm not mistaken, 13:02 the cost was nearly 14,000 dollars 13:05 perhaps. 13:06 But no one ever stayed in it. 13:08 But the hospital room was still 13:10 registered under the name Samsun Nur 13:11 Salim. 13:12 Suddenly, 13:14 around 2002, when I was still active as 13:16 a broadcaster and journalist, 13:20 I was informed by my source at the 13:21 Indonesian Consulate General. "Hey, 13:24 what 13:25 is this?" they said. "Samsun Nur Salim 13:28 is in Melbourne.""Ah, that's impossible 13:30 .""He couldn't even fly from Singapore 13:32 to Jakarta in an hour.""How could he 13:34 fly from Singapore to Melbourne in 13:35 eight hours?""Yes.""He's here meeting a 13:38 powerful person from Indonesia.""Huh?"" 13:40 Who?" The powerful person and their 13:41 child were mentioned as having come 13:43 here. 13:43 H. 13:44 And coincidentally, I knew this 13:45 powerful person. 13:46 So I asked to meet them, as a 13:47 journalist would. But I was curious 13:49 because this powerful person was said 13:51 to have gone at that time to 13:52 Western Australia for medical treatment 13:54 . H. 13:55 Suddenly they appeared in Melbourne to 13:59 meet with 14:00 Samsun Nur Salim, but I wasn't allowed 14:02 to meet them. 14:04 Not long after that, they left; the 14:06 powerful person and their daughter 14:08 returned to Indonesia. 14:10 Samsun Nur Salim returned to Singapore, 14:12 and out came 14:13 a certificate of full repayment or "SKL 14:15 ," or whatever it's called, for Salim. 14:18 So, 14:19 yeah, we see, that's Indonesia for you. 14:21 He was hiding out there, yet he could 14:23 still be in contact with powerful 14:26 people in Singapore, uh, in Indonesia. 14:28 And yeah, if you want to meet, you meet 14:31 in Singapore. If you ask about it, well 14:34 , it can be checked, you can ask the 14:37 Blue, who was the Consul General in 14:39 Melbourne at the time. Try asking if 14:42 this really happened. That would be a 14:44 big deal. That would be impressive. 14:45 Truly a big deal. Truly impressive. 14:47 Sometimes we really need to look at 14:50 these events, who the filmmakers are, 14:52 and who the Consul General was that 14:54 served at those major consulates, right 14:57 , Bang Dim? 14:59 Yes. Yes. This is because we are 15:00 looking at—I've been following... 15:02 Yeah. 15:03 I haven't been keeping up with events 15:04 abroad because I've been following the 15:06 election in Australia itself, which was 15:08 on Saturday. 15:09 Yes. 15:11 The ballot boxes closed around 6:00 PM. 15:16 18:00. 15:17 By 10:00 or 11:00 PM, they already had 15:20 a clear picture, saying, "Oh, Scott 15:22 Morrison lost, the Labor Party won." H. 15:25 They are that efficient. Even though 15:29 there were no special guards, just 15:30 observers at the polling stations, it 15:32 was so fast, and 15:35 I was truly amazed to see all of that. 15:39 That night, they could already tell, 15:42 just 4 to 5 hours after the ballot 15:45 boxes closed, 15:47 he. 15:47 They already had an idea. It is true, 15:50 just about an hour ago, the Prime 15:53 Minister-elect, Anthony Albanese, was 15:56 sworn in, 15:58 along with the Foreign Minister, 16:00 Penny Wong. Penny Wong is actually of 16:03 Malaysian descent; that’s where her 16:05 parents are from. They needed to be 16:07 sworn in today because they have to 16:09 leave for Tokyo immediately to attend 16:11 the Quad meeting between the four 16:12 nations, 16:14 Japan, India, America, and Australia. 16:17 So, 16:17 he. 16:18 I am truly amazed to see how they can 16:21 provide such forecasts and predictions. 16:24 This 16:24 how fast their experts are. Oh well. So 16:28 I followed it because I was interested 16:29 because 16:30 Yes. I 16:30 this man named Anthony Albanese is the 16:34 first person of Italian descent to 16:36 become Australia's 31st prime minister. 16:40 That's not all. He is very proud and he 16:44 says this could only happen in 16:46 Australia, where he lived with his 16:48 mother who received disability benefits 16:51 . So sick people 16:55 well, living in public housing, state 16:57 housing. So he means housing, meaning 17:01 poor people with only one parent 17:03 and living in a poor neighborhood, he 17:05 was finally able to go to university to 17:07 study economics. 26 years ago 17:11 he joined the Labor Party and now he is 17:12 the prime minister. And he says this 17:14 could only happen 17:15 in Australia. 17:16 In Australia. So there are no puppets, 17:18 there is no this and that, essentially. 17:20 And we can confirm that it really does 17:23 happen in Australia. 17:24 Hm. With the current system, one can 17:26 see the utilization of such advanced 17:28 technology, right. And also with a new 17:31 figure, according to Australia, with a 17:33 different background. According to Mr. 17:37 Nuim, in which direction will 17:39 Australia's future changes head? 17:43 He seems quite independent. 17:46 Hm. 17:47 So here, there is no such thing as a 17:49 threshold. A threshold doesn't exist. 17:52 There are many independents here, and 17:54 most of these independents are women 17:56 including non-white individuals, some 17:59 are Indian 18:00 some are of Chinese descent, and so on. 18:04 Now, many of these independents have 18:06 been successful. 18:07 I am 18:10 amazed, shocked, and sad because the 18:12 former treasurer here—not called 18:14 Coordinating Minister for Economy, but 18:16 treasurer. Yeah. He 18:20 Frydenberg, a Jewish man who came to 18:21 Australia with his mother from Hungary 18:23 after the Second World War. 18:25 Yeah. 18:26 He is a very good person. I—I like 18:28 him. But what did he do? He was 18:30 defeated by a woman here, right here in 18:33 Melbourne. 18:34 It is truly a pity to see, given that 18:36 he is a good person and had the 18:37 potential to become a Liberal Party 18:38 leader and so on. But that is the 18:41 problem. Why? Because these women, both 18:44 in Sydney and in Melbourne, as well as 18:46 in Western Australia and so on, 18:48 campaigned on two things. First, 18:52 climate change. Second, they will make 18:55 demands if, for instance, they are 18:57 asked to form a coalition with the 18:59 Labor Party, which has just won 72 19:01 seats. 19:02 To get a majority, the Labor Party must 19:04 have 76 seats. Because in the 19:05 Australian parliament, there are only 19:07 151 seats. Yeah. 19:09 Now, they say they will demand that the 19:11 government be truly serious in handling 19:13 climate change. Second, they will ask 19:16 the government to form a sort of 19:18 anti-corruption commission. Because in 19:21 Australia right now 19:22 there is an anti-corruption commission, 19:24 but at the state level. Each state has 19:26 its own anti-corruption commission. 19:29 Well, the previous prime minister, 19:32 Scott Morrison, was quite reluctant to 19:35 form an anti-corruption commission 19:38 because he feared an external body 19:41 could summon politicians. Well, this 19:45 was seen as him, oh, he probably 19:47 had bad intentions. Meanwhile, the 19:50 Labor Party says 19:52 perhaps by next year they can already 19:54 propose an integrity bill. So, some 19:57 sort of Anti-Corruption Commission. 20:00 So they were 20:01 campaigning on climate change because 20:04 of the massive floods that occurred 20:07 leading up to the election in Australia 20:09 . In the states of Queensland, New 20:12 South Wales, and several other places, 20:14 the flooding was devastating. Oh my 20:16 goodness. 20:17 It's beyond belief. Just a month before 20:19 , another flood happened; people had 20:21 just finished cleaning their houses, 20:23 and now many homes there cannot be 20:24 insured because insurers refuse to 20:26 accept them. So, they are asking the 20:30 government to truly think about climate 20:33 change. Right. 20:35 Well, because they felt the previous 20:38 government, due to its coalition with 20:41 the National Party—the National Party 20:43 claims to represent people living in 20:46 the outback, outside of the cities, and 20:49 so on. They didn't want the government 20:53 to close down coal mines and the like. 20:56 Ah, so these female candidates, they 20:59 are demanding 21:01 and it seems the Labor Party will be 21:03 able to work with them. So, roughly 21:07 speaking, the Labor Party will also try 21:09 to raise the minimum wage, even though 21:12 the government doesn't have the right 21:14 to set wages directly. The ones who set 21:17 wages are a special commission formed 21:19 by the government, but once formed, 21:20 they become independent. So, the Labor 21:24 Party is saying we will urge that wages 21:27 be matched with purchasing power so 21:31 that people aren't truly oppressed by 21:34 the rising cost of living. 21:38 Those two issues were clearly favored 21:40 by the public when brought up by these 21:42 female politicians. Very well. Brother 21:47 Luim, let's move on to other matters. 21:50 This is about when the MUI recently 21:53 asked the British Embassy to respect 21:57 moral values in Indonesia. This relates 22:01 to when the British Embassy in Jakarta 22:04 flew a flag that, according to them, 22:07 symbolized freedom. The LGBT flag. 22:13 Clearly, the MUI immediately issued a 22:16 statement to the embassy. However, 22:19 ironically, many figures actually 22:23 defended it as a matter of freedom and 22:27 the right of the embassy. We must not 22:30 get involved. How do you see this, 22:32 Brother No, and also more broadly, what 22:34 is the situation with this LGBT 22:35 campaign really like? How bad is it? 22:38 Well, because in the UK, America, 22:42 Australia, New Zealand, and Canada, 22:46 they accept that efforts to change 22:50 sexual orientation 22:54 of an LGBT person is 22:57 a form of cruelty, they say. Because it 22:59 cannot be changed, they claim. 23:01 Yeah. Now, if that is done by an 23:03 embassy, we cannot do anything. Because 23:07 the convention... 23:09 The Vienna, if I’m not mistaken, no, 23:11 it’s not Geneva, the Vienna 23:12 Convention states 23:14 that an embassy is the sovereign 23:17 territory of the country in question. 23:21 So if the UK wants to fly a flag at its 23:23 embassy, we cannot do anything about it 23:26 . Perhaps we could politely convey to 23:28 them 23:29 that this is inappropriate. But they 23:32 have the right, just as we do in London 23:34 , for example, our embassy in London 23:37 has the right to do what we wish within 23:39 our sovereign territory, that is, 23:41 within our embassy grounds. 23:44 Yeah. Yeah. 23:44 Because our ambassador, like other 23:47 diplomats, has diplomatic immunity, 23:49 this is widely accepted. This is likely 23:52 an agreement reached in Vienna and 23:54 yes, in Australia, in Vienna, and so on 23:56 . So this is an issue 23:57 if this continues to be blown out of 23:59 proportion, later 24:00 other countries like America might also 24:03 be provoked 24:04 to do the same. So 24:06 how about we just let them decide for 24:10 themselves. Because I understand what 24:13 has been happening lately. Because 24:16 there are new issues, yes, new issues 24:17 keep popping up 24:19 but there are things that are indeed 24:21 beyond our ability 24:23 to do anything about. If we truly want 24:27 to continue complying with all sorts of 24:30 international agreements that we have 24:32 signed, 24:34 Yeah. 24:34 well, we may not accept it, but they do 24:36 . They consider, in the past in 24:39 Australia, until just a short while ago 24:41 , for example, in the state of Tasmania 24:42 , homosexuality was prohibited. 24:45 Yes. Yes. 24:46 It was not allowed. But now, for 24:48 instance, just last Thursday, it was 24:50 only last Thursday that the state of 24:53 New South Wales, whose capital is 24:55 Sydney, 24:56 just passed what they call the 25:00 voluntary assisted dying law. So it 25:04 means that someone who 25:06 is already very seriously ill, with 25:07 cancer or something else, and they feel 25:10 that their life is truly full of 25:11 torment. Living in misery, wanting 25:13 neither life nor death. As our people 25:14 say, like a moss on a rock. Living in 25:16 misery, wanting neither life nor death. 25:18 So they can ask for it, there is a 25:20 procedure, it’s not easy, right. They 25:23 ask two doctors to provide confirmation 25:26 that this person cannot be cured. Then 25:29 they are allowed to, well, administer 25:32 the injection to themselves. So the 25:34 medication is already provided for them 25:35 . They just need to open the tap and 25:37 the medication will enter their body. 25:39 So it’s not someone else opening the 25:40 tap, but they must do it themselves. so 25:42 that they will die with the help of 25:44 others. Initially, it was here in 25:47 Melbourne. Accepted in Melbourne, then 25:49 in the state of South Australia, and 25:52 now in the state of New South Wales. 25:54 Now, these are things that the Catholic 25:57 Church in Australia strongly opposes. 26:00 But the majority of the legislative 26:02 assembly members in the states 26:04 concerned have approved it 26:07 because they say it cannot be left to a 26:10 person who, according to the doctors ' 26:12 estimates, has no chance left. So this 26:15 preempts what our people call 26:16 preempting the will of Allah Subhanhu 26:18 wa Ta’ala, the will of God, and so on 26:20 . According to the doctors, if recovery 26:24 is impossible, they are allowed to end 26:27 their own lives with the help of others 26:30 . So, the ones preparing everything 26:33 for that injection are the pharmacists 26:35 and doctors, everyone. Then, at the 26:38 very last moment, the patient opens the 26:40 valve so the poison can enter their 26:42 body. So, they are the ones who do it. 26:45 Now, in countries like England, this is 26:48 still forbidden. So, those who want to 26:52 die voluntarily with help usually go to 26:55 Switzerland. But since they cannot 26:59 travel alone, they must be accompanied 27:01 by someone. Later, the person who 27:04 accompanied them can be prosecuted upon 27:06 returning to England for assisting in a 27:08 suicide. So 27:10 yes 27:11 it has not been established by their 27:13 parliament there. But in Australia, 27:15 LGBT rights are already established. 27:18 They are allowed to marry the same sex 27:20 and hold massive parades. Yes. 27:23 And nowadays, this is even joined by 27:25 the police and so on. And now 27:27 what is considered by 27:29 the Catholic Church. The Catholic 27:30 Church also opposes this 27:32 law on voluntary death with the help of 27:34 others. The Catholic Church does not 27:37 accept it, just as they still do not 27:39 accept LGBT. 27:41 Hmm. Yes. Alright, brother Noim. Just a 27:44 brief closing thought. How about you, 27:46 brother Nuim? How do you feel now that 27:49 we can say we have passed the pandemic? 27:52 I want to know your personal feelings, 27:53 brother Noim. 27:56 Personally, I feel the pandemic isn't 27:59 over yet. 28:00 Just last Saturday 28:03 I was invited to what they call halal 28:07 bihalal. This is something that 28:09 Yes. Yes. Gus Dur used to say, "What 28:12 does' halal bihalal 'even mean? I don't 28:14 know," 28:14 but I was invited by an Indonesian 28:17 community organization in Melbourne. 28:19 And before we entered 28:22 we had to be tested first, we had to be 28:23 tested. 28:24 And the test. 28:25 Thank God, I was negative. 28:27 And now, because things have been eased 28:30 up, it seems the number of positive 28:33 cases is increasing daily. 28:36 The death toll is also quite high. 28:39 Hmm. So it seems that if we get even 28:42 slightly careless, it returns. And now, 28:44 monkeypox is here, they say. 28:47 In Indonesia, there's the foot and 28:48 mouth disease. Here in Australia, 28:51 monkeypox apparently entered from 28:53 England, 28:54 it hit Melbourne, and it also hit 28:56 Sydney. 28:57 So it seems 29:00 perhaps we must remain vigilant. Even 29:03 when the Victorian state government in 29:05 Melbourne said we don't have to wear 29:07 masks anymore, doctors and health 29:09 experts said it shouldn't be that way. 29:14 At the very least, if we don't want to 29:17 mandate it, we should advise the public 29:19 to use masks where necessary, 29:21 especially in closed spaces. For 29:24 example, inside supermarkets or shops, 29:27 wear a mask. Because with a mask, God 29:30 willing, the transmission can be 29:32 prevented. 29:34 Well, this is a request from doctors 29:37 and health experts in Australia, at 29:39 least in the state of Victoria, where 29:41 the government has started to free its 29:43 people from the mask mandate. 29:46 Recommend it to them. 29:48 Do not mandate it, recommend it. 29:50 Sometimes when it is recommended 29:51 people are more 29:52 more aware 29:53 to follow it. If it is mandated, people 29:54 want to rebel because this is my 29:56 freedom. Exactly. 29:57 Yes. Yes. All right. Let's hope we stay 29:59 vigilant. And Bang Nuim, may you always 30:01 be healthy, Bang Nuim. God willing, we 30:03 will meet again next week, Bang Nuim. 30:06 Thank you very much. Peace be upon you. 30:08 You're welcome. And may peace, mercy, 30:10 and blessings of God be upon you too. 
