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0:01 Brail TV. 0:10 Peace be upon you, and Allah's mercy 0:12 and blessings. How are you, Dr. Ben? 0:15 Peace be upon you, and Allah's mercy 0:17 and blessings, Mr. Ihsan. 0:19 Wow, how are things, Dr. Ben? It seems 0:22 the world is getting busier, isn't it? 0:24 The polarized meetings between leaders 0:28 from one side to the other make people 0:31 wonder where this world is headed. 0:34 Perhaps Dr. Ben can observe when Xi 0:37 Jinping arrives in Cairo after the 0:39 meeting in Kyrgyzstan, which seems to 0:42 be the world's spotlight. Wow, that 0:46 president, the president of Iran, 0:48 became a star at that meeting. What is 0:53 happening in America that has caused 0:55 American parliament members to be fed 0:57 up with the war? Not to mention the war 1:01 leadership group and their team, who 1:04 are in disarray. Various friends seem 1:08 to have started resigning from the 1:10 United States war team. And Israel 1:14 suddenly expelled the Netherlands from 1:17 the ceasefire monitors in Gaza; that is 1:20 a story we want to hear from Dr. 1:22 Sarbini Abdul Murad, who routinely 1:25 observes world developments. But not 1:28 only world affairs, we also want to 1:30 hear about the forest fire issue. We 1:33 just read that in Kalimantan, the 1:35 losses have reached 3 trillion rupiah. 1:38 This is truly extraordinary. Later it 1:40 will be the state budget again, taxes 1:42 again for us. Meanwhile, the 1:44 conglomerates, palm oil entrepreneurs, 1:45 and others. Regards. Listeners also see 1:49 poverty as a dilemma in this country. 1:53 There is a lot of data saying 135,000 1:56 per day. According to BPS, this is not 1:59 yet poor, but according to the world, 2:00 it is already poor. What does Brother 2:04 Ben see from the developments in the 2:06 world, and what are your comments on 2:09 the various news this morning 2:11 accompanying listeners from Aceh to 2:14 Banyuwangi? This is also heard in your 2:19 hometown, Sigli, about 100 km of 2:21 coverage, right? Yes, I also want to 2:26 hear about this case, Bambang Setiawan, 2:29 59 years old. Will this become the 2:32 Bambang Setiawan case? He is 59 years 2:35 old; I'll twist it to be the "Kilometer 2:38 59" case. So, how is it, Dr. Ben? 2:41 Please, Dr. Sarbini Abdul Murad. 2:44 Yes, Sir. It's very interesting, Mr. 2:46 Ihsan, about Jinping's visit to Cairo, 2:48 Mr. Ihsan. Because Jinping considers, 2:51 or China considers itself, to be the 2:54 center of the world. So he considers 2:56 himself the emperor of the world. So 2:59 if he considers himself an emperor, 3:01 then everyone bows to him, comes to 3:02 visit him, asks for this and that, asks 3:04 for everything, including our president 3:06 , Mr. Ihsan. 3:08 But Jinping very rarely visits foreign 3:10 countries, Sir. Imagine how many times 3:13 the Indonesian president has visited 3:14 China, Mr. Ihsan. But I have never read 3:17 about any Chinese president or Chinese 3:20 leader who visited Indonesia. There is, 3:23 named 3:24 yes, yes, for a reciprocal visit, there 3:25 is none, Mr. Ihsan. 3:27 Jinping has never been to Indonesia. 3:30 Except for multilateral meetings, yes, 3:31 multilateral is a different matter. 3:33 Specifically 3:34 hm 3:36 and his visit to Cairo is something 3:38 considered important, even though the 3:41 current president, Sisi, rarely visits 3:43 Beijing, Egypt is still considered 3:45 important by China; this is something 3:47 important for us to underline, Mr. Is. 3:52 so, then, the presence of Xi Jinping 3:54 could be, Mr. Isa, a form of or an 3:56 effort by China to deepen its influence 3:58 , especially in Africa and the Middle 4:01 Eastern countries. This is important to 4:04 underline, Sir. 4:06 So, when the war is happening now 4:08 between America and Iran, then America 4:10 experiences many defeats and losses, 4:12 and then we see how genocide occurs in 4:15 Gaza, Mr. Isan, and many other things. 4:18 We see how the dependence of the Middle 4:21 East, especially Iran, on China, is 4:23 very decisive for China's position 4:26 today, Sir. We could say that today 4:29 China has emerged as a new superpower, 4:32 Sir. So 4:34 it's 1-1 with America. On one side, 4:37 perhaps China is more stable, but on 4:39 the other side, perhaps America is more 4:41 superior, Sir. But we must give 4:44 appreciation to China and we must 4:46 admire how the development of China's 4:48 economic technology has soared, so that 4:50 now even Arab countries, Sir, their 4:52 direction is split, no longer just 4:54 towards America, but also towards China 4:56 . 4:57 Right. 4:58 Now, let's look, Sir, at how, for 5:01 example, the conflict occurs between 5:04 the Houthis and what, with Saudi, with 5:07 the Emirates. Uh-huh. 5:09 Then how China summoned Iran because 5:11 its proxy is the Houthis, and summoned 5:14 Saudi Arabia because there are 5:16 mercenary troops under Saudi Arabia, 5:19 and brought them together in Beijing, 5:21 Mr. Isan. 5:22 Hmm. 5:23 So the issue became clear. So we see 5:26 here how China's role in being able to 5:29 build stability in the Middle East must 5:31 be acknowledged, not to mention Chinese 5:34 weapons, although people say that these 5:37 Chinese weapons explode before they are 5:39 even fired, some say that, but 5:44 but the point is that it is ranked two 5:46 or three in exporting such a large 5:48 amount of weapons abroad. 5:51 Now, this is what we must appreciate. 5:53 Then, Sir, we see how, for example, 5:55 there are 50 countries gathering at the 5:58 CMCC, Sir, that is the Civil-Military 6:00 Coordination Group in Kiryat Gat, in 6:02 Israel, which is part of the effort to 6:04 coordinate between the IDF and the UN 6:07 in reconstructing Gaza, there are 50 6:09 countries, Mr. Isan. 6:11 Now, one of them is Indonesia, Sir. I 6:14 don't know whether this sent a 6:15 delegation to coordinate there. Because 6:18 indeed, after Prabowo visited 6:20 Washington, one of the deputy 6:21 commanders there was from the IDF. It 6:24 was an Indonesian two-star general, I 6:26 forgot his name. 6:29 So now it is quite confusing, Mr. Is, 6:31 quite confusing because the Indonesian 6:32 public is asking many questions to the 6:34 government that cannot be answered, 6:36 real confusion, like that. 6:39 Yes, that's right. Not to mention the 6:41 question of what the troops will wear 6:43 later? Blue berets or what? Combat gear 6:46 , combat helmets, that's not answered 6:47 yet. 6:48 not to mention the large UN funding, if 6:51 the UN, for example, has to bear a lot 6:54 of things, so until today Indonesia has 6:57 ended up with 20,000 troops, not 8,000 6:59 troops. Today, there is no clarity, Mr. 7:02 Because the public there indeed has 7:04 resistance to that plan, Sir. Well, 7:08 The Netherlands and England, the 7:09 Netherlands and Spain were kicked out, 7:11 Mr. Ihsan. Why? Indeed, indeed 7:14 regardless of anything, Sir, the 7:16 Netherlands used to be Israel's best 7:19 friend, but over time the public 7:21 started to e-resist, so many 7:23 cooperations with Israel were 7:26 terminated, Mr. Ihsan. Moreover, Spain 7:29 is even more vocal, right. Well, they 7:32 were expelled, expelled from the 7:33 country, so to speak, Israel is giving 7:35 punishment 7:36 punishment to other countries. 7:37 But we are always amazed by Israel. 7:39 It's always like this, Mr. Ihsan, 7:41 meaning they dare to expel two European 7:43 countries, yeah. This 7:44 yes, that's right, their 7:45 self-confidence is very high. Right, 7:47 right, their confidence is always high, 7:49 I tell you. 7:51 Now, England, this England, it's even 7:53 called England as an Islamic republic, 7:55 England is, right, Britan. Correct. Hm. 7:59 Londonistan. My goodness. But that is 8:03 how it is, Dr. Ben, if we talk about 8:05 this one, it seems the American public 8:08 is also upset, causing this election to 8:11 create a new map in America. The 8:15 parliament in America is also, the 8:17 majority of parliament members, 8:18 regarding this Iran affair, it has also 8:20 failed. The Iran war stamp is a total 8:24 failure from the majority of American 8:26 parliament members. Is that so, Dr. Ben 8:28 ? 8:30 Yes. Now the reality, Sir. Yes, now 2 8:33 days ago America attacked an island, 8:34 attacked an island, then it was 8:35 retaliated by Iran again. The question 8:38 is, Mr. Ihsan, war has a purpose, Sir, 8:40 everywhere war has a purpose, there is 8:43 no war without a purpose. If there is 8:46 no purpose, it's called a street brawl, 8:48 like people who rarely fight, students, 8:49 that's different, right. 8:51 Correct. Well, secondly, from the start 8:54 they could not map out what the goal 8:57 was, Sir. It's all Israel's agenda, for 9:00 Israel, executed by the US. So I said 9:04 in my video, indeed, between the Ahzab 9:07 war and now, there is a connection, 9:09 someone provoked me, someone provoked 9:11 me, so indeed 9:14 America took action, they don't even 9:16 know why I did this, Sir, so 9:19 already in, then asking why is it like 9:21 this 9:22 ah, why, what is our goal, right. 9:26 But this is already done. 9:28 Already gone too far. 9:29 So 9:31 so now, what is being done now, the 9:33 Army Minister resigned, Mr. Ihsan. Not 9:35 to mention the head of the forces 9:36 resigned. Just split in the middle, Sir 9:38 . 9:39 Forgot that this is Iran, not Venezuela 9:41 , this is Iran, right. 9:43 This is Iran, Sir, he must know that, 9:45 right. If it were in Venezuela, we 9:46 could watch it together, have a public 9:48 viewing. Public viewing, watching 9:50 together. Hem. Yes. Hello. Disconnected 9:53 . Hello. Yes, continue, Mr. Ihsan. 9:56 It just cut off, Doctor. Please, Doc. 9:58 Yes, Sir. If Venezuela can have watch 10:02 parties to view Maduro's capture 10:04 operation, Iran is different. 10:08 Well, logically, if the top of the 10:10 Pentagon is already divided and lacks a 10:12 shared vision, let alone those below, 10:14 that’s just simple logic. 10:17 And what, the meritocracy of their war 10:20 leaders is just, like, a talk show host 10:23 from a television station, it’s quite 10:26 funny, isn't it? Analyst. 10:30 Yeah, maybe they are just following our 10:32 example, sir. 10:33 Oh, us? Who would that be? Loyal, 10:39 people just need to be loyal. So you 10:41 mean we do have a president where 10:43 loyalty is what matters, not 10:45 meritocracy, is that it? Yes, being 10:47 loyal is what's important. Imagine, sir 10:49 , the attack yesterday, who did they 10:51 attack, sir? "They" attacked people 10:53 having a wedding, they attacked that. 10:55 The American public is getting angrier, 10:57 like, why are you attacking random 10:58 things? 10:59 Right, exactly. 11:00 Meanwhile, as demonstrated by Iran, 11:02 they are always precise toward military 11:04 centers in the Middle East, where the 11:06 country and its people are not burdened 11:08 too heavily. People are like, the 11:11 American base next to my house is 11:12 what's being attacked, isn't that right 11:14 , Doc? Precise. 11:16 Yes, that's right. Hm. 11:17 Meaning they are clear, sir. I see it 11:19 as Iran responding with action and 11:22 reaction, sir; they attack, I retaliate 11:24 , you sell, I buy, it's that Betawi 11:26 style, sir. 11:29 So this is what Iran is doing, and 11:31 that's why the American public is 11:33 divided, sir. Now, imagine, 60%of 11:36 Americans live paycheck to paycheck. 11:40 63%, imagine, sir, with this war, all 11:42 prices are skyrocketing, not to mention 11:45 banks, rising. Heh. 11:48 So this is why society is increasingly 11:50 frustrated, like, what are you even 11:52 getting from this war, you know? That 11:55 is why now social democrats are 11:57 appearing today because 12:00 it's the antithesis of this capitalist, 12:02 well, an antithesis that... 12:05 Hello, yes, we will try to reconnect 12:08 with Dr. Sarbini Abdul Murad at 8:16, 12:10 16 minutes past the hour in our studio. 12:14 Our connection was cut off. Seems like 12:17 we need Yogi again from Niasana. Uh, 12:21 internet connection. To our radio 12:23 listeners wherever you are. The story 12:25 will continue in just a moment. Oh, 12:27 it's connected again. It is. Go ahead, 12:29 Doctor. Sarbini. Hello, Doc. 12:32 Hello. Ustaz. 12:33 Yes. Yes. Sorry, we were cut off 12:35 earlier. Sorry, Doc. Go ahead, Doc. H. 12:37 Hello. 12:39 So these public questions are becoming, 12:41 uh, sharper, sir. Meaning, uh, the 12:44 direction of this war is becoming more 12:46 and more blurred, less and less clear, 12:48 Mr. Isan. So, in the November election, 12:52 we will see how, for example, uh, 12:54 senators or members of the House who 12:56 are pro, uh, social democrat, are 12:59 gaining momentum, Mr. Isan. Hm. 13:02 I am watching several podcasts in 13:04 Israel, sir. There is indeed anxiety 13:06 from 13:07 the Israeli side seeing these symptoms, 13:08 sir. 13:09 They are trying to comfort themselves, 13:11 yes. Comforting. But, it is clearly 13:13 visible how Jewish groups in Michigan 13:15 are divided, you know, how they are 13:16 divided in New York, for example, so 13:18 there are clashes among them. So 13:21 not all Jewish people agree with the 13:23 cowboy-style actions of Benjamin 13:26 Netanyahu. But there is that Natalia, 13:30 what is it, the former prime minister, 13:31 that Natali, what is his name again? 13:34 That's right, yes, that's right. 13:36 Yes, he said, because there is a 13:38 history of my child being scolded by 13:40 two people, right? 13:42 In America or somewhere, this indicates 13:44 that 13:44 even Benjamin's child was told to go 13:47 home because the antipathy is that 13:49 strong. 13:51 Yes, so everywhere, in Vietnam, in the 13:54 US, in Thailand, everywhere, but in 13:56 Indonesia, maybe it's safe for him, 13:58 right, like that. Or over there, on 14:03 that island, Sumatra. But it is indeed 14:07 funny, Mentawa, yes, this country is 14:09 funny, right. Maybe it's because of 14:12 poverty, our country, but the World 14:14 Bank data is different from the BPS 14:16 regarding poverty. What Dr. Ben sees is 14:20 that our education is more or less 14:22 lacking, yes, even though there are 14:25 efforts now, but university is very 14:28 expensive now, especially medicine, so 14:31 doctors 'salaries, getting a salary of 14:33 5 million or 6 million, it's just how 14:36 to survive as a doctor. What do you see 14:40 , Doctor, with the poverty in this 14:42 republic that seems to be continuously 14:44 battered by various stories of this 14:46 nation's journey, or is it necessary to 14:49 be poor so that the election is easier 14:51 or what, Dr. Sarbini Abdul Murat? 14:55 Yes. But with President Prabowo's 14:58 statement, right, saying that someone 15:00 peeling onions for 1 hour gets 100,000, 15:03 that's definitely poor. I remember this 15:07 kind of thing happened in South Africa 15:09 before, but why repeatedly, what is the 15:12 strategy, I don't know, we're 15:14 scratching our heads. 15:17 Dementia, Sir, dementia. 15:21 Yesterday. So it's like this, Sir, 15:25 imagine, Sir, Indonesia is a country 15:27 that is impossible to be poor, Sir, 15:29 impossible. 15:32 Impossible to be poor, that's how it 15:33 should be, impossible, if Mr. Syukur 15:35 says a president who speaks without 15:37 taxes, that's a real president. Because 15:40 our country is very rich, right. Very 15:42 rich, isn't that right? 15:44 Right. Like this, Sir, I once spoke 15:48 with someone from Pertamina, a retiree, 15:50 he is sad to see how, for example, the 15:52 distribution of, what, oil distribution 15:54 , for instance, we are at a loss, it 15:56 has been a long time of losses before 15:58 there was a re-evaluation, like Saudi 16:00 Arabia with Aramco, Sir. 16:03 So whoever invests, they get a certain 16:04 amount of shares, that's it, that's the 16:06 country, if you want it, take it, if 16:07 not, don't, just go home, Sir. 16:10 We aren't like that, Sir. Imagine, for 16:12 example, Riau, Riau is rich but many 16:13 are poor in Riau, Sir, from time to 16:15 time, where does it go? 16:17 Papua has extraordinary natural 16:20 resources. Hm. 16:22 So it's like this, Sir, we don't need 16:23 to analyze it in too much detail, Sir, 16:25 just simple logic. Number one in 16:28 Indonesia in Papua, but the nature is, 16:30 Mashallah. Continue, brother, this is 16:34 what makes us wonder, Mr. President. 16:38 But why are we like this constantly, 16:40 Sir? Poverty is increasing more and 16:41 more this morning, Sir. Poverty is 16:44 increasing even though we live in a 16:46 rice barn, Mr. Santu, so there is a 16:48 group being enriched, something is 16:50 wrong, Sir. So what is wrong here? Are 16:53 we adopting that, or are we referring 16:55 to American capitalism? We are far more 16:58 inverted; over there it is becoming 17:00 socialist, while here it is also 17:02 becoming... 17:04 Yes, yes, it's extraordinary. For 17:09 example, the issue of forest fires. 17:13 Yes, this is incredible, it is being 17:15 burned, not just catching fire. This is 17:18 clear, several institutions have 17:20 reported it, and dozens of people have 17:22 been arrested. But why is it still the 17:24 same? It keeps happening, it keeps 17:26 happening, the cost is there, Doc. 17:28 Celios says the losses are 223 trillion 17:31 rupiah. That is what they recorded. 17:34 What about it, Doc, concerning these 17:36 forest fires reaching the Philippines, 17:38 if I'm not mistaken? 17:40 Yes, the Philippines is close to Papua, 17:43 eh, to Kalimantan. Because it's like 17:45 this, Sir, Kalimantan. 17:46 It's like this, Sir. Every El Nino, 17:48 there are always forest fires, and this 17:50 is not the first occurrence, it happens 17:52 almost every year. So. 17:54 We are like a donkey, Sir, falling into 17:56 the same hole, falling again, falling 17:58 again. 17:59 So we never think about. 18:01 what firm legal steps to take. For 18:03 example, this big. 18:04 h. 18:06 the forest is being burned, okay, it is 18:08 burned, arrest the people who burned it 18:09 , who ordered it? Then the main forest, 18:13 because of that, Sir, so I am 18:15 suspicious, Mr. Isan, he is the palm 18:17 oil king in that area, Mr., right? 18:20 That's Mr., Sir, so. 18:24 So we must be suspicious of this Mr. 18:27 , does he also play a role in that 18:29 for things like that, it is suspected 18:32 that there must be, Mr. Isan. So the 18:36 government does not address how to 18:38 overcome this so that next year, during 18:41 the next El Nino, this won't happen, 18:43 Mr. Isan, instead of sending special 18:45 forces on-site, Sir, the military jumps 18:47 there, sometimes, my goodness, the 18:49 military. 18:52 jumps into the smoke like that, as if 18:54 everything is fine if the military is 18:56 there, maybe that's what is meant, Doc? 19:01 And this is, well, environmental damage 19:04 goes hand in hand with health damage, 19:07 and it goes everywhere, it becomes a 19:10 phenomenon where the wrong becomes 19:13 normal, and the lie becomes normal 19:15 again. So there is a new normal seeing 19:19 the cruelty and crime that exists now, 19:21 or how is it, Dr. Ben? 19:25 It's like this, Mr. Isan, for example, 19:27 Mr. Isan, it's the forest first, then 19:29 there is land clearing, in the end, 19:31 it's just to open land. 19:33 Because if you cut one tree at a time, 19:34 it might take 2 years and not finish, 19:35 Sir. 19:36 So it is burned. 19:38 Now, with this burning, Mr. Isan, it is 19:40 not just humans who are affected, 19:42 orangutans and animals too. 19:45 Orangutans, animals of all kinds, as 19:47 people say, everything is affected. 19:51 So. 19:52 What is the end result? The end result 19:55 is flooding, floods, and another 19:57 disaster, just like in Aceh, Sir. 20:00 Today, they say it’s raining in Aceh, 20:02 but eventually, it will just end up 20:03 flooded like it was yesterday. 20:06 Floods again; why are there so many 20:07 mining permits in Aceh now? It seems 20:09 like it. 20:09 Uh. 20:10 Meaning, no one ever thinks about how 20:12 this should be stopped. They don't 20:15 think like that. And the regional 20:17 government, the decentralization, has 20:20 almost become an inverted phenomenon 20:22 now. Is it all centered now, Doc, or 20:24 how? 20:26 Look, sir, actually the constitution is 20:28 clear about granting rights to the 20:29 regions. Hm. 20:32 So, while there are indeed central 20:34 government rights, if a region wants to 20:36 save its area from bad things, it 20:38 should be firm and refuse to grant 20:40 permits. 20:43 But there are also permits that bypass 20:45 them and go to the center, so 20:47 everything is reversed; let's call this 20:50 environmental crime, a collaboration of 20:52 everyone. 20:55 It's a collaboration between the local 20:57 and the center, not to mention the 20:59 other minor issues, Mr. Ihsan. 21:01 That is why this problem cannot be 21:03 solved, Mr. Ihsan. So if there's a 21:06 forest fire problem, oh, if it’s a 21:08 fire, let's buy helicopters or planes 21:10 to... 21:11 Yes. Yesterday, they spent trillions on 21:13 rentals, they say. H. 21:15 Ah. 21:16 Instead of thinking about what the 21:17 cause is so it doesn't catch fire, sir, 21:19 that’s how they think. 21:21 Correct, their way of thinking is quite 21:23 unique, strange, isn't it? But whatever 21:26 happens, this is our country. And what 21:30 would you like, Dr. Arbini Abdul Murad. 21:32 In the last 5 minutes, we still have 21:36 time to convey the situation, which 21:40 some people call a chaotic country, as 21:43 Bang Ichsanuddin Nursi said, and the 21:47 system needs to be fixed. However, 21:51 whatever happens, it seems we currently 21:54 have no coalition or opposition to act 21:57 as a reminder. Only radio and podcasts 22:01 like this can remind the officials or 22:04 those who are still enjoying the 22:06 benefits from there. Please, Doctor. I 22:13 have been invited twice, sir, to attend 22:15 meetings with DPR members. 22:17 Hm. 22:18 Well, I told the friend who invited me, 22:20 "I apologize, I am currently 22:21 disappointed with the DPR." 22:23 Hm. So, I said there are constitutional 22:26 duties that could be carried out, but 22:28 they aren't being done, and civil 22:30 society organizations can't perform 22:32 them. 22:32 For example, I mentioned Israeli 22:35 tourists doing business, IDF entering 22:37 Indonesia, illegal trade happening in 22:40 Indonesia, not to mention others. At 22:43 this moment, there is no effort from 22:45 the DPR to exercise its constitutional 22:47 rights. They should be calling in the 22:49 relevant stakeholders, Mr. Ihsan, to 22:51 question them. This is not being done. 22:53 Hm. 22:53 But they are busy with meetings with 22:56 civil society groups, which is a very 22:58 comfortable zone, sir. So I told my 23:00 friend that for now, I won't be there 23:02 because I am disappointed. So, the 23:04 point is, sir, we have duties, but we 23:06 are not maximizing those duties. For 23:09 example, clashes between the masses and 23:11 students resulting in casualties. 23:15 These casualties indicate that there 23:17 are parties trying to provoke and pit 23:20 citizens against each other; this is a 23:22 mistake on the part of the government. 23:25 Actually, the government is the one 23:27 taking security measures according to 23:29 the established rules, Mr. Islam. 23:32 clashing, causing casualties, then 23:35 denying how, how those involved if we 23:39 are not like that 23:42 active and brave, but when accused, I'm 23:43 not, I'm not seen, this isn't me, it's 23:45 not, it's not manly, our people aren't 23:46 brave, that's it. Yes, yes, yes, this, 23:53 this has become a phenomenon, uh, right 23:56 now. Uh, hello. Hello. 23:59 Hello. 23:59 Come on then. Yes. Continue, brother. 24:01 Uh, it was breaking up earlier, brother 24:02 . 24:03 Well, there, like that, sir. So, so 24:05 actually in this context, we hope, sir, 24:08 that there is still room, there is hope 24:10 that in the future, Indonesia will be 24:13 more advanced, will be stronger. Sir, 24:15 always have hope 24:17 because God says, uh, *inna ma'al' usri 24:20 yusra*. For example, there is ease, in 24:23 the story there is also ease. So, the 24:26 point is we must remain optimistic, sir 24:29 , that this is our country, regardless 24:31 of what happens, this is our motherland 24:33 , we can do what we can do, right, so 24:36 stay optimistic. 24:38 Oh, the criticism and input we give is 24:40 a form of our love and affection for 24:42 the motherland. I think that's it, sir. 24:43 Including some Indonesian citizens who 24:46 were accused of being Russian troops, 24:49 they still sent the funds to the 24:52 orphans in Depok, like that. That 24:55 becomes a phenomenon, doesn't it, from 24:57 such a desperate situation. *Masyaallah 25:00 *. As a closing sentence at the end of 25:02 the story, what would Dr. Ben like to 25:04 convey to our listeners? 25:06 Yes, to the listeners, we must remain, 25:09 uh, what? Still have optimism, remain 25:12 optimistic that Indonesia will be good, 25:15 will be brilliant, and it is our duty, 25:17 uh, as citizens, as children of the 25:20 nation who live, eat, and perhaps will 25:22 also die in Indonesia, to place our 25:24 hope in our leaders. And we must learn 25:28 from experiences that the role of 25:30 leaders in this damage is very 25:31 significant. Therefore, we must truly 25:35 choose a leader who, what, loves us and 25:38 whom we also love. * 25:41 Masyaallah*. *Masyaallah*. Thank you, 25:43 Dr. Sarbini Abdul Murad. May we get a 25:46 leader who loves us and whom we love, 25:49 final sentence, *insyaallah*. Thank you 25:52 , Doc. *Assalamualaikum warahmatullahi 25:54 wabarakatuh*, Doc. *Waalaikumsalam 25:57 warahmatullahi wabarakatuh*. 
