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0:07 In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious 0:08 , the Most Merciful. Peace be upon you, 0:15 and Allah's mercy and blessings. 0:17 And peace be upon you too, and Allah's 0:18 mercy. 0:19 O Allah, send prayers upon our master 0:20 Muhammad, our master Muhammad. Praise 0:23 be to God, we meet again today, 0:26 Wednesday, August 28, 2024, or the 24th 0:30 of Safar 1446 Hijri. We meet again on 0:33 the Hijal Talk program. Who are we 0:36 bringing on today? Mashallah. But here, 0:38 clearly, there are Aulia and Dina from 0:40 Vocational High School 4 Keranggan who 0:42 are also doing an internship. Ondi 0:46 Saputra and Algi, and with us is a 77- 0:51 year-old man named Kak Joko Mursito. 0:58 Why do we call him 'Kak'(brother)? 1:00 Because he is active in the Scouts and 1:01 was once the head of the national 1:03 training center. He was born in 1:07 Surakarta on February 14, 1948, or '47, 1:12 somewhere between the two. He went to 1:15 elementary school in Surakarta, then in 1:18 Prambanan, and his middle school was in 1:21 ... 1:22 Kalasan, 1:24 at Kalasan State Middle School, then at 1:26 the Muhammadiyah Teacher Training 1:28 School in Klaten, then his bachelor's 1:30 at UNILA, majoring in social education, 1:32 and his master's at UNPAD. Sociology 1:35 and anthropology. Then his doctorate at 1:38 UI, majoring in sociology. His name is 1:43 Mr. Joko Mursito, but because of the 1:45 Scouts, I'll just call him Kak Joko. 1:47 Peace be upon you, Mr. Joko. 1:49 And peace be upon you too. 1:50 Welcome to Rasil. 1:52 Was it difficult to find Rasil earlier? 1:54 Have you been here before? 1:55 Yes, I have. Have you met Ustaz Ihsan? 1:58 Yes. Oh, so it wasn't difficult, right? 2:00 Yes. Sir, if I'm not mistaken, your 2:03 previous religion was Catholic, right? 2:05 Yes, that's correct. 2:06 Then how did you become a Muslim? What 2:09 was the process, sir? 2:11 Yes. So, I started learning and doubts 2:16 began to arise when I was in high 2:19 school. Because before the teacher 2:21 training school, I attended high school 2:23 first. 2:24 And my high school was a 2:25 science-focused high school. Now, in 2:27 that science high school, I studied 2:30 astronomy. 2:31 Astronomy. 2:32 Regarding the formation of the Earth, 2:34 the sun, and so on. So, there was a 2:37 theory proposed by Chamberlin and 2:40 Moulton. 2:41 Yes. 2:41 It stated that the Earth, sun, and moon 2:44 were originally one. 2:45 Yeah. They were a swirling nebula. Then 2:49 , a part of that nebula separated to 2:50 become the Earth. Then, a part of the 2:54 nebula from the Earth broke off to 2:57 become the moon. Yes. 3:00 Now, this is directly...This theory was 3:03 perfected by Chamberlin and Moulton, 3:05 and then refined by Immanuel Kant and 3:07 Laplace. Now, when I learned that 3:11 theory, because I considered it to be 3:13 true, I wondered why it wasn't the same 3:16 as what was in my holy book at the time 3:18 . 3:18 In the Bible, right? 3:19 Yes. So, my holy book at that time 3:22 stated that the Earth was flat and 3:24 there was a dome... 3:26 Yes. ...called the sky. 3:28 Hm. So, I thought, since the holy book 3:33 is God's creation, it shouldn't be 3:37 wrong. 3:39 God's creation cannot be wrong. 3:40 But this was different, you see. 3:41 So, someone must have changed it, right 3:43 ? Yes. 3:45 So, at that time I was also, you know, 3:48 a bit confused between, uh, in Islam. 3:53 Then, when, uh, before I converted to 3:56 Islam, I went to Christianity first. 3:59 Yeah. 4:00 So, at that time I asked my father for 4:02 permission, "Is it okay if I, because 4:04 at my school there are many Christians? 4:07 ""Can I follow Christianity, is that 4:10 okay?" Yes, he said it was okay. So, at 4:12 that time, I and my friends joined, uh, 4:16 the Assemblies of God. 4:18 Yeah. 4:18 So, there was the Assemblies of God 4:20 church. Besides the Indonesian 4:21 Christian Church, then there was the 4:23 Javanese Christian Church, and the 4:25 Assemblies of God. Then I tried it. But 4:28 then, why were the ways different? 4:31 Yeah, 4:31 the ways of worship were different. 4:33 Then one day I wanted to try, "Can I go 4:36 to a Baptist church?" Go ahead. My 4:40 father was hurt if it was to 4:42 go to Christianity like that. 4:45 I tried the Baptist church and it was 4:47 different again. Then I tried again, uh 4:51 , Assemblies of God, Baptist church in 4:56 Penumping, back then in Surakarta. The 4:59 ways of worship were different. So I 5:02 thought, if this is one, why are the 5:06 ways so different? Well, I started 5:10 having doubts in junior high school, 5:12 actually, I was already doubtful 5:13 because in junior high I followed my 5:14 father. So before junior high in 5:17 Kalasan, when I followed my grandfather 5:19 again, 5:20 I was following my father. 5:21 Your father was Catholic, right? 5:23 Yes. So, in Solo. Yes. So I experienced 5:28 it at SMP Negeri 4 Surakarta back then. 5:31 Well, 5:32 when I was in high school, it increased 5:35 again, there was a lesson on astronomy, 5:38 that 5:39 made me a bit, bit, bit, my mind became 5:43 more 5:44 why was it like this, I was even less [ 5:46 interested] in it. But when I, uh, 5:50 tried to study other books, including 5:54 books, uh, from Hinduism, Buddhism, 5:56 Mahayana and Hinayana, I read them 5:59 because I liked reading, and I got more 6:03 confused reading them, right. 6:06 Even more confused. 6:07 Yes. Then, after I arrived in Prambanan 6:11 , I followed my grandfather again. Well 6:16 , one day I met Mas Subandi. 6:19 Hmm. Mas Subandi, right? 6:20 Mas Subandi. So, 6:21 he was a Muslim. This Mas Subandi 6:23 was a Muslim. Muslim. He was a village 6:25 official at that time. Then, uh, 6:28 finally, "Mas, let's, uh, attend the 6:33 dawn lecture." 6:36 Hmm. I said, "Oh, I can't, Mas, wake up 6:39 early." Yes, you can. The lecture is at 6:43 6:00 AM. Oh, I see. Okay, let's go. At 6:47 that time, there was a mosque. So there 6:51 was a school near the mosque, Bustanul 6:53 Athfal, there. Well, coincidentally, 6:56 the speaker was Ir. Khairul Salim. So, 7:00 Ir. Khairul Salim at that time, uh, 7:04 stated about, uh, Surah Al-Anbiya 7:08 H 7:09 verse 30. "Awalam yaralladzina kafaru 7:14 anas samawati wal ardho kana ratqan 7:17 fafataqnahuma waja'alna minal ma-i 7:20 kulla syai-in hayy..." So if that's the 7:26 case, then, the big bang theory. So 7:30 this theory might be wrong, right, at 7:32 that time, because the big bang hadn't 7:34 appeared yet. 7:35 Yeah. 7:35 Yes. I saw this was more, so if 7:40 it made more sense. 7:40 heaven and earth makes more sense. 7:42 Makes more sense. 7:44 Well, initially, my theory about 7:45 Chamberlin and Moulton's nebular 7:47 hypothesis didn't make sense to me 7:49 either. Why didn't it make sense? I 7:53 thought that the sun, well, the sun's 7:58 materials are different from the earth 8:05 and 8:06 the moon. 8:06 Yeah. 8:07 If a part of it broke off, it shouldn't 8:11 have turned into Earth. 8:13 Hmm. 8:14 Right. And it should have just been 8:17 like the sun we see today. And if 8:20 another part broke off, it shouldn't 8:21 have become the moon. Now, when I 8:24 accepted that, in Surah Al-Anbiya it 8:29 doesn't state Earth and the sun, that's 8:34 not it, but heaven and earth. 8:38 Hmm. So when we look at space, it's 8:41 even more convincing that the vast 8:44 expanse of space is what is called 8:47 heaven, filled with various 8:50 planets. 8:51 Planets, yes. In fact, according to 8:54 NASA, there are, how many? More than 8:57 200 billion 8:58 planets, including Earth. 9:01 So, wow, this must be the truth. Then I 9:06 said, "I've started learning to pray 9:10 on my own." 9:11 Now, then 9:13 Mas Bandi, when I had joined this and 9:16 so on, the religious study groups and 9:19 such, he said, "Try to just pray, Joko, 9:22 go ahead." Learn to pray. I already 9:25 pray, Mas. 9:26 Who did you learn with back then? 9:28 Uh, learned to read on my own? 9:30 Yes. Learning to read on my own. It 9:33 just so happened that near the house, 9:35 there were children's study groups, you 9:38 know. I liked listening to those 9:41 recitations. I already do, Mas. But you 9:44 have to do this, take the Shahada first 9:46 . 9:46 Yeah. 9:47 Take a bath first. Told to bathe. 9:50 Bathe and then profess the faith. Now, 9:53 when I had already announced it, that 9:55 was when my whole family knew that I 9:57 had converted to Islam. 10:00 Hmm. What was their response after 10:01 finding out? Well, my father did not 10:04 support it. He was very unsupportive. 10:08 As for my mother, since she had a 10:10 different view. My mother supported it 10:13 too. And then, finally, I invited my 10:17 younger siblings little by little, one 10:20 by one. In the end, alhamdulillah, they 10:23 all converted to Islam. Now, at that 10:27 time, I was invited by Mas Subandi, " 10:30 Try learning here, Brother Joko, let's 10:34 go to Gading Pesantren." Gading Santren 10:37 is the name of the village. 10:39 The name of the village 10:39 in Ketandan. 10:40 In Ketandan, in 10:41 Ketandan, Klaten, 10:42 Jakarta, eh, Central Java. 10:43 Central Java. H 10:45 near Klaten, right? "It's the Klaten 10:47 region. 10:48 So, in that whole village, the 10:50 residents are all Muslims and all 10:52 Muhammadiyah. Only one was Nahdliyin, 10:55 but they all got along just fine, no 10:58 problems. Now, there I learned to study 11:01 the Quran, learned this and that. I 11:04 learned from the little kids there. 11:07 Yes. 11:08 Now you're already very skilled, aren't 11:10 you? 11:10 Well, God willing, I can do it and am 11:13 often asked to give sermons. 11:15 MasyaAllah. Alright, brothers and 11:19 sisters. Still on the Hijrah Talk show, 11:22 still with Mr. Joko Mursito, 77 years 11:26 old. Why did I call you brother? 11:28 Because he is very active in scouting. 11:31 He once served as the head of the 11:32 National Training Center. Yes. 11:34 Hm. 11:36 What about Islamic guidance within the 11:38 scouting world itself? 11:40 Well, actually, if we look for a true 11:43 civil society, it exists in scouting. 11:47 Heh. 11:48 Because religious tolerance is very 11:51 strong there. 11:52 H. 11:54 So, between Muslims and others, among 11:57 believers, they are truly like siblings 12:01 there. If I go to my younger sibling's 12:05 house, I wouldn't dare. I wouldn't dare 12:07 say," Bring out the food. " 12:09 But if it's among fellow scout leaders 12:11 and trainers, what's in the back? Just 12:13 bring it out. Right. Then what's also 12:19 great is if we have any activities, 12:22 those big events, our non-Muslim 12:25 friends are the ones who provide the 12:28 venue and so on. Especially during 12:31 Jamborees, those activities, they are 12:33 the ones. 12:34 In fact, when I was in Lampung, there 12:37 were activities where on Fridays, the 12:40 ones guarding the parking lot were the 12:43 non-Muslim kids. He. 12:46 And on Sundays, the ones guarding the 12:49 church were the Muslim scout kids. Now, 12:52 that becomes... 12:54 it becomes like a true civil society. 12:56 It really is like that. I. 12:58 Okay. Mashallah. Okay. Brothers and 13:02 sisters, did you know that Brother Joko 13:05 Mursito once walked from Lampung to 13:08 Jogja? What did you see, Sir? Walking 13:14 from Lampung to Yogyakarta. 13:16 Yes. Actually, I was collecting 13:20 regional cultures that could be adopted 13:24 into scout education. 13:26 Yeah. 13:27 Be it songs, dances, games, and so on. 13:31 We take what is, uh...noble culture. 13:37 h. 13:37 indigenous culture, like that. We put 13:41 that into scout education so that it 13:44 becomes rich in everything. In scouts, 13:50 when the kids are camping, they can 13:53 sing any song, right? They can do 13:58 almost any activity because we are 14:00 already rich from our predecessors; 14:03 there is a reservoir of songs, stories, 14:06 and so on, heroic tales, which are 14:09 extraordinarily collected. Then jokes, 14:14 humorous bits that are good and not 14:18 lewd, are collected. He. 14:21 So, before a session starts, there's an 14:28 icebreaker, right? 14:31 Yes, that. 14:33 We can use stories, or we can use songs 14:37 before the games. 14:41 Yes, like that. So, it's interesting; 14:43 scout education is actually very 14:45 interesting. So it's actually a bit of 14:48 a shame if it's not made a mandatory 14:51 extracurricular. 14:52 It's gone now, they say, right? 14:54 Or is it still... 14:55 Yes, because of a new ministerial 14:58 decree. But the minister promised that 15:01 scouts must still exist in schools, 15:03 there must be a local unit. 15:05 Hm. 15:07 Okay. Listeners, have you ever been a 15:08 scout? Scouting starts at the lowest 15:11 level with Siaga, right, Sir? Ages 7 to 15:14 10. Then above that, Penggalang, from 15:17 11 to 15 years old. Then Penegak, from 15:20 age 16 to 20. Then Pandega, Pandega... 15:24 Yes. 15:24 21 to 25 years old. Then the leaders. 15:28 So, you’ve been here before, right, 15:29 Brother? 15:30 Brother Joko, you’ve been a scout 15:31 leader and a trainer as well, right? 15:33 Yes. 15:33 Hm. 15:35 Actually, I’ve been in it since the 15:36 Siaga level, but it wasn't called Siaga 15:38 back then because we were still Pandu. 15:40 Oh, Pandu. 15:41 Yes. So, I was a scout back then, and I 15:43 was in the KBI scouts. 15:45 Heh. 15:45 The Indonesian Nation Scouting. 15:47 Yeah. 15:48 The uniform was essentially the same as 15:51 the current scout uniform, 15:54 but the trousers were the same color as 15:56 the shirt. So, it was drill-style. 15:58 Hmm. Drill, drill, drill, drill. The 16:00 neckerchief was the same, but the right 16:02 side was red, and the left side was 16:05 white. That was the KBI scout. Heh. 16:07 So, I was in that during my Siaga years 16:08 . Siaga and Penggalang, right. In '55, 16:11 I was already what was then called ' 16:14 Korasi' or beginner. In the old days, 16:17 it wasn't called Siaga, but beginner. 16:19 Beginner. Heh. 16:20 So, what is now Siaga was called 16:21 beginner back then. 16:22 Yeah. 16:23 Then, Penggalang was called 'Perintis' 16:25 or pioneer. 16:26 Hm. 16:27 Then, Penegak was 'Penghila'. 16:29 Hm. 16:30 There was no Pandega. 16:31 Only 'Penghela'. 16:32 Because Penegak and Pandega were both ' 16:34 Penghela'. So, when it became Pramuka, 16:38 the names changed. 16:40 Heh. 16:41 Now, why did those names change? Unlike 16:43 in WOSM. Because in WOSM, well, the 16:49 Siaga kids are 'cubs'. 16:51 Cubs are wolf pups. 16:53 Oh, we don't use that name. Heh. 16:57 In Pramuka, those names were taken from 16:59 the foundational metaphors of the 17:01 Indonesian struggle for independence. 17:04 So, when the Indonesian nation first" 17:08 prepared "itself (mensiagakan) in 1908 17:11 to become independent with the birth of 17:14 Budi Utomo. Budi Utomo might sound like 17:17 a Javanese name, but its members were 17:20 actually diverse, consisting of various 17:25 ethnic groups. Heh. 17:27 Then, for Penggalang, it was taken from 17:31 the year 1928. Heh. 17:33 That was when the Indonesian nation was 17:35 " gathering "(menggalang) strength. 17:37 Through the Youth Pledge, right. Then 17:41 the name Penegak was taken from August 17:44 17th," upholding "(menegakkan) the 17:46 nation and the state. That’s the 17:49 Penegak name. And Pandega is about how 17:52 to fill that independence? Leading ( 17:54 Mandegani) the independence. So, those 17:56 names were taken from the nation's 17:58 history of struggle. Our predecessors 18:02 were truly extraordinary. 18:04 Okay, we have a WhatsApp message coming 18:07 in. Please, feel free to send a message 18:09 if you’d like to respond. We are 18:13 chatting with Brother Joko Mursito, who 18:16 is 77 years old. He was formerly 18:20 Catholic and has now embraced Islam. 18:24 And he used to be a scout leader, and 18:27 once walked from Yogyakarta, wait, from 18:30 Lampung to Yogyakarta. Yes. 18:34 With a partner. The other one could 18:37 only make it to Jakarta, but Brother 18:38 Joko went all the way to Yogyakarta. Uh 18:42 . Welcome, Mr. Joko, to Rasihasia. 18:46 It’s wonderful to hear your story. Is 18:48 scouting education still relevant today 18:52 , considering that children are now 18:54 living in a modern, 18:56 instant-gratification world? Please go 18:59 ahead. 19:00 Yes. Actually, scouting education is 19:03 character education. 19:05 Heh. 19:06 So, what is actually important is 19:08 character. Life skills will follow 19:12 character later. Therefore, scouting 19:19 skills are actually part of how to 19:25 build character. No matter how great or 19:32 advanced technology is, without good 19:34 character, it will destroy this nation. 19:39 So this nation must possess good 19:41 character. In my opinion, it is still 19:43 very relevant. However, indeed, because 19:45 the generation is now different. In the 19:49 past, Scouts consisted of Generation X, 19:53 Baby Boomers, Millennials, then 19:56 Generation Z, 19:59 and now it's Generation Alpha. 20:00 Currently, the" Siaga "members are 20:01 Generation Alpha. 20:02 Their education is already very 20:04 different. Therefore, I have suggested 20:07 to the National Quarter of the Scout 20:09 Movement that there should be updates 20:12 to the general skill requirements to be 20:15 more modern, so they keep up with 20:17 current times. Yes. 20:20 Okay. There is another incoming 20:24 question. Peace be upon you, Kak Joko. 20:27 Have you ever participated in a 20:28 jamboree abroad, Kak Joko? Where were 20:30 they? 20:31 Yes. I actually only attended two 20:35 jamborees; the first was in England in 20:39 2007 because it happened to be the 20:42 100th anniversary of the World Scout 20:46 Movement. Then the last one was in 2023 20:51 in South Korea, because for other 20:57 jamborees, I happened to be the head of 20:59 Pusdnas and was very busy. We were 21:03 preparing the jamboree contingent but I 21:05 couldn't join. 21:07 Hmm. 21:08 Yes. 21:10 So, how do Indonesian Scouts compare to 21:13 Scouts from other countries? 21:16 Yes. The comparison is quite similar 21:20 because, besides that, I have been 21:22 asked to provide materials in several 21:24 countries. I was asked to provide 21:29 material in Bangladesh, then Australia, 21:32 Thailand, and most recently in Sri 21:35 Lanka. 21:37 It was a 21:40 course called the CLT course, Course 21:45 for Assistant Leader Trainers. It is 21:47 the second-highest course after the top 21:50 one. So after the highest one—for us, 21:55 that is the KPL course, the advanced 21:59 level scout leader trainer course. 22:03 Abroad, it is called the CLT. Now, I 22:06 was also asked to be a trainer for a 22:09 CLT in South Korea back in 2015. 22:12 I was a trainer there in Bangladesh for 22:15 the CLT. Then this last one, we were 22:19 requested in Sri Lanka just last June 22:22 2023. The comparison is the same, only 22:28 there, the government provides full 22:31 support. I was surprised that for their 22:37 ceremonies, like our 22:41 Garuda Scout. 22:42 Yes. 22:44 The Eagle Scout ceremonies there are 22:45 attended by the president. Oh, really? 22:46 That's amazing. 22:47 Wow. Yes. 22:50 It makes one very proud. 22:52 Yes. 22:55 If we have a Garuda Scout event, at 22:56 most the head of the quarter attends, 22:58 but there in Sri Lanka, it's like that. 23:00 So, 23:01 wow, that is extraordinary. 23:02 Is the program in each country the same 23:05 as in others? Are activities like 23:08 knot-tying and tent-pitching the same? 23:11 It's similar, similar, similar, similar 23:12 because there are indeed 23:14 guidelines for it, you know. So, uh, 23:16 the World Organization of the Scout 23:22 Movement creates a guide that should be 23:25 followed, even if it's not identical, 23:27 because local culture can be 23:29 incorporated. So it's quite similar. 23:35 Mostly, it's just the character and 23:38 scouting skills. Now, these scouting 23:43 skills vary, 23:45 you know, according to the progress in 23:47 each country. 23:50 Okay. Greetings, Brother Joko. Brother 23:54 Joko, what is your impression of Sultan 23:57 Hamengkubuwono IX? He used to be the 24:00 head of Kwarnas, didn't he? 24:03 Kwarnas. Wow. Yes. 24:05 Pak HB9 is my idol; he was truly 24:08 extraordinary. I even often tell 24:12 a story about him 24:14 from back in 1955, in the Kedaulatan 24:16 Rakyat newspaper. Yes. 24:19 It was even covered in the Kedaulatan 24:21 Rakyat newspaper. At that time, Pak 24:23 Hamengkubuwono was from, what was it? 24:28 Driving himself from Kaliurang at dawn, 24:30 right after dawn. Then, in Sleman, he 24:34 was flagged down by a rice vendor. 24:36 Hmm. Oh, I see. 24:37 Yes. 24:38 If we were officials, for example, and 24:40 stopped a rice vendor we didn't know— 24:42 especially if we're old— 24:44 we definitely wouldn't stop. He stopped 24:47 . 24:47 He stopped. 24:48 He stopped and asked," Where are you 24:50 going, Ma'am? "" Oh, this, Sir, may I 24:52 hitch a ride? "" Oh, yes, please do. " 24:55 So the rice vendor sat right in the 24:57 front seat, 24:58 but she also said," Please, Sir, help 25:01 me lift this up. " 25:05 Yes, she didn't know it was the King. 25:09 And HB9 lifted that sack of rice to the 25:12 back, since it was a jeep, 25:15 into the back seat area. 25:19 While maybe chatting along the way, 25:23 suddenly they arrived at Kranggan— 25:27 some reports say Kota Gede, at the Gede 25:31 Market, 25:33 some say it was Kranggan. 25:34 Kranggan? Which one is actually right? 25:36 Well, for me, it might be Kranggan. 25:38 Yes, in Kranggan. Because 25:40 at the Gede Market, there are no police 25:43 , right? 25:44 Yes. 25:44 Then, once they arrived," Sir, I'm here 25:47 , please help me unload it, Sir. " 25:50 Imagine that, in Yogyakarta, he was 25:52 asked to unload. The sack of rice was 25:55 unloaded, and then the rice vendor 25:58 wanted to pay. 25:59 Yeah. 26:00 Back then, the money was kept in a sash 26:03 tied around the waist. 26:04 Yes. But as she was about to pay, the 26:07 Sri Sultan had already 26:09 left. 26:10 Oh. 26:10 She grumbled, that lady. The rice 26:12 vendor. 26:13 She said," Ma'am, if you want to ask 26:16 for payment 26:17 that is 26:17 larger, just say so. I'm embarrassed 26:20 now. "As she was grumbling, a police 26:21 officer approached. 26:22 Huh?" What's wrong, Ma'am? "" It's that 26:25 driver! "Then he was scolded by" What 26:28 driver? "" Sri Sultan Hamengkubuwono, 26:33 the person who is loved and highly 26:35 respected, you called him a driver and 26:37 told him to lift rice? You're crazy! " 26:39 Yeah. 26:40 Finally, she just said," Oh my God, " 26:42 and fainted. 26:43 Oh. 26:44 That rice vendor. Asked why? He is 26:46 close to the people around him. Now, 26:48 that is what's extraordinary. 26:51 Sri Sultan. He can truly be a role 26:54 model for a leader, a king. If he were 26:57 just a leader, but this is a king who 27:00 is revered there, you know. 27:04 He is willing. 27:05 My goodness. But where was that from? 27:07 From before Keranggan. Where did he 27:10 transport it from? 27:11 Sleman. 27:12 From Sleman to Keranggan. 27:13 Sleman all the way to Keranggan. 27:14 My goodness. 27:15 Yes. So, 27:17 I really salute him deeply. 27:20 I even quote the things he has said. He 27:25 even took a course. 27:28 That is truly great. 27:29 What course? 27:30 The KMD course. KMD is the most basic 27:33 trainer course. 27:34 Hm. 27:34 Yes. If I’m not mistaken, he took it 27:37 in '53. But it was still the Scout era. 27:39 Still in the scouting era. 27:40 Yeah. 27:41 Now, at the time of the course, 27:42 was he already the vice president? 27:44 In '53, I don't think so yet. 27:48 Not yet. 27:49 Hm. So, how was it? How did the story 27:51 go again? Huh? 27:52 How did the story go earlier? 27:53 This one, 27:53 the course. Yeah. 27:55 So the story is that the course was 27:57 held at the palace. 27:59 Hm. 27:59 Yes, at the palace. So at that time, 28:02 there was a game in the course. 28:04 Yeah. 28:05 The game had, what do you call it? 28:08 Horses and jockeys, something like that 28:10 . 28:11 So in one line. 28:13 Yeah. 28:14 Running. Running backwards. Then 28:16 another line would chase them. 28:19 Yeah. 28:19 Now, when caught, he had to be carried. 28:25 As it happened, Sri Sultan got the part 28:29 of— 28:29 of— 28:30 They would switch being the horse and 28:32 the jockey. 28:32 So he had to carry someone. 28:33 He happened to be 28:35 the horse. 28:35 Yeah. 28:37 And there was someone, his name was Kak 28:40 Sudarsono. He was once a national 28:43 leader. 28:43 Yeah. 28:44 So in Javanese," he was the one who 28:47 became the jockey, "riding him. Yes. 28:54 Just imagine, at the palace, he had to 28:57 carry someone while running. Imagine 29:00 that, if he weren't an extraordinary 29:02 person. So I— 29:04 My goodness. 29:05 There is a leader like that. And 29:07 that’s not even mentioning the time 29:11 when Jogja became the headquarters. 29:14 Yeah. 29:15 As the seat of government. 29:17 Yeah. 29:18 He donated 6,000 guilders. 29:23 Hm. 29:25 And by the government. Yeah. 29:28 That was incredible. Such an amount of 29:30 money, donated just like that to fund 29:34 the officials while the government was 29:37 in Jogja. So I said," Wow, there is no 29:41 match for this. " 29:47 Right, let's read one from Mr. Ramli in 29:49 Tangerang. Peace be upon you, Kak Joko. 29:53 Kak Joko, what is your opinion on the 29:55 claim that scouting will be removed 29:57 from the education curriculum in 29:59 Indonesia? Is this a hoax or not? 30:02 Right. Actually, for scouting, that’s 30:07 impossible because it is not really 30:11 tied to—the Ministry of Education, 30:14 right? Hm. 30:16 Different departments, because it is 30:18 managed by the Kwartir. So if it were 30:20 removed, that would be impossible. 30:23 Because schools actually have two 30:27 yes 30:28 two leaders, right. Two. One if he 30:33 the troop (gudep) is affiliated with, 30:34 well, it can be affiliated with the 30:36 Ministry of Education, but it is also 30:38 affiliated with the National Quarter. 30:40 Uh-huh. 30:41 So those two are because as a troop, 30:43 the National Quarter provides the 30:45 guidance, the quarter above it provides 30:47 the guidance. But at school, it is 30:50 under the Ministry of Education. So if 30:53 that were removed, it would be 30:55 impossible. So because the minister 30:58 herself promised that, basically, 31:00 school scouting troops must remain. Yes 31:03 . 31:03 What if the president, do they have to 31:05 wear a scout uniform, what is their 31:07 position? Uh, that is as the advisory 31:10 board. 31:10 Hm. 31:11 So, for the national advisory board, 31:13 the chairperson is the president. 31:16 Oh. 31:17 Well, that is already there in the 31:19 scouting organization bylaws. Then at 31:23 the regional level, the chair of the 31:26 advisory board is the governor. 31:29 At the branch level 31:31 the chair of the advisory board is the 31:34 mayor or regent. Now, at the district 31:37 level, it could be the sub-district 31:40 head or other community figures, right. 31:42 Okay. Alright. This is from Mr. Wahyu. 31:45 Peace be upon you, Brother Joko. Please 31:48 provide some enlightenment, Scout 31:50 Mentor. 31:51 I would like to ask regarding scouting 31:53 that has activities that can train and 31:55 utilize tracker dogs. Because our older 31:58 brother used to be a Rover Scout in 32:01 year 9 from SMA 39 Cijantung. 32:04 Yes. 32:05 Uh, so in scout education, there is 32:08 what is called a" work unit "(satuan 32:11 karya). 32:12 Uh-huh. 32:14 So a work unit is a scout member's 32:16 interest. They are free to choose where 32:19 . Now, the work unit that might be, uh, 32:22 Bhayangkara could certainly be trained 32:25 in things like tracker dogs, crime 32:28 scene investigations, and so on. That 32:31 Saka Bhayangkara can indeed be trained 32:33 there. So it is not just handling 32:35 traffic. Bhayangkara is extensive. So 32:38 there is Saka Dirgantara, which is 32:40 about navigation and so on. Parachuting 32:43 , our team has people who are experts 32:45 at parachuting in scouting, too. 32:48 Yes. Then there is also building 32:51 gliders and so on, that is Saka 32:53 Dirgantara. Then there is Saka Taruna 32:56 Bumi, which is about agriculture and so 32:59 on. And then there is also Saka Bakti 33:02 Husada, which is about health and so on 33:06 . So in scout education, interests are 33:10 channeled to become job creation later 33:13 on. 33:14 So when they leave scout education, 33:16 they must be able to be independent and 33:19 able to work. 33:20 That is 33:21 actually the point of it. Okay. Peace 33:24 be upon you, Brother Joko. Brother Joko 33:26 , in Cibubur there is" Madu Pramuka "( 33:28 Scout Honey). 33:30 Is there a relationship or attention 33:32 from the Scout side, or what is the 33:35 relationship between Scout Honey and 33:38 the management from the Scouts? 33:40 Yes. So, the Scout Honey in Cibubur is 33:44 part of the National Quarter's business 33:46 entity. Uh-huh. 33:48 So there is indeed guidance. So there, 33:52 at Scout Honey, they don't just sell 33:54 honey, 33:56 but there is also education. So there 33:58 is a course called an apiary course. 34:01 So, how to become a honey farmer and so 34:04 on. 34:05 Oh, I see. So, if you want a certain 34:08 number of people to become honey 34:10 beekeepers and so on, you can come and 34:13 apply, or ask for a certain number of 34:16 people to be trained as honey 34:18 beekeepers, that's possible. 34:21 Like that. 34:22 So that is under the guidance of the 34:24 national headquarters. So regional 34:26 headquarters can also create, uh, what 34:28 is it, scout honey coaching in each 34:30 region, that's also possible. 34:33 Yes. Okay. Greetings, Mr. Joko. Brother 34:36 Joko, can we become a scout member 34:37 without going through elementary, 34:39 middle, or high school education? 34:41 Oh, yes, you can. So, as it happens, 34:45 scouting is actually determined by age. 34:49 Hm. 34:49 So, for example, if we are already 26 34:52 years old, we can't be students anymore 34:55 . 34:56 Well, you can just join as a leader if 34:58 you want. 35:00 H. So, you become a leader yourself, 35:02 training in elementary schools, junior 35:04 high schools, senior high schools, or 35:06 colleges, that's possible. Now, the 35:09 requirement to become a leader is that 35:13 you must have coaching skills. 35:15 For that, you can join the KMD. That is 35:18 the most basic one. Then it steps up to 35:20 , uh, the advanced scout leader 35:22 training course. He. 35:24 Now, after that is finished, actually, 35:27 as a leader, to go to the next level, 35:29 you become a leader trainer. 35:31 Hm. 35:32 Now, for that, you join, uh, the KPD, 35:35 the basic level scout leader trainer 35:37 course. Okay. 35:41 So, it is possible, for instance, not 35:42 starting from elementary school, it 35:44 just depends on our age, where we want 35:46 to start, we can go straight into 35:48 becoming a headquarters administrator 35:49 or a scouting education official, or 35:51 directly become a member of the 35:53 headquarters. If chosen, that is 35:55 certainly possible. Yes. 35:57 Yes. But I do recommend joining so you 36:01 can really get the spirit of it. 36:04 Oh, I see. 36:06 Okay. Next is from Reni Yay. Greetings, 36:08 Brother Joko. I am very happy to hear 36:11 your stories. I hope you stay healthy, 36:13 Brother Joko, and always stay spirited. 36:15 Healthy greetings from Yuti in Reni 36:17 Jaya. Okay. Yes, 36:20 Ms. Yuti. Brother Joko, what is the 36:23 history of how Scouting was born? Is it 36:25 So, Scouting actually originated from 36:29 abroad, from England. 36:30 He. 36:31 From England. Then because the Dutch 36:35 came here, the Dutch created a scouting 36:38 organization, but that was in 1912. Now 36:44 , its actual birth was in 1908, right. 36:48 Scouting education in Indonesia was 36:51 called, uh, what was it? Pathfinder. 36:53 H. 36:54 Pathfinder leaders must be thorough, 36:56 especially trainers. 36:57 And disciplined. 
